http://www.avclub.com/article/brendan-dasseys-entire-unnerving-4-hour-confession-230481
Obviously the first arrest was a coverup
I can't make my mind up about the murder though
FGRIRA VF N TBBQ OBL UR QVAQH AHSSVA!
I'm watching the final episode
>Man, Len Kachinsky really reminds me of William H Macy in Fargo
>Google his name to get a picture to accompany this comment when I make it on /tv/
>Oh, the internet already beat me to it
>>64669092
>Idiots say 4 hour interview shows how guilty Steven Is
Literally four hours of Brendan being manipulated, classic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t_1rOjtxpA
>>64669092
>>64669154
OH NO PLEASE SCARY ANOONYMOUS NO HURT ME IM SORRY ILL NEVR CUM ON INTERNET AGAIN PLEASE LEAVE ME ALON!
>>64669249
It's the nose
>>64669175
Nobody said that. We said it isn't all Brendan being led on, like the documentary portrayed. Complaining about an interrogation being manipulative is like complaining about fire being hot.
They literally had phone calls between Steven during the alleged murder
The case is bullshit
>>64669337
He's retarded... HE'S RETARDED!
HE WAS SETUP MAN THE PO LEES IS CORRUPT AS FUCK HE 100% INNOCENT DIN DU NUFFIN HE WAS JUST A BABY WHEN HE BURNED THAT CAT ALIVE THEM PO LEES BE GETTIN IN HIS NEPHEWS MIND AND SHIT SWEAT EVIDENCE DONT MATTER EITHER :)
>Her very own car key didn't even have her DNA on it. Only Stevens
Sure
Len haters BTFO
>>64669456
SHE WAS OBVS A VURY CLEAN PURSON WUT R U TALKEN BOUT!? STEVIN IS GUILTEE!!@!@!!
The Prize here, just checking in.
>>64669456
>he left her car on his property
>he didn't crush the evidence of her car in his very own car crusher
>ONLY his DNA on the key
>specks of his blood in the car but no fingerprint on or inside the car
>no blood in the bedroom
>>64669530
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t_1rOjtxpA
/vengeful/
>>64669561
B-B-But! YOu, YOU GOTTA PRESS TEH CRUSHER!!!!!!!
Why was Teresa's brother seem so certain of Avery's guilt? He came across as relishing any opportunity to express his disdain for him.
An anon in another thread said Mike Halbach admitted to deleting the voice mail messages in court. Is there any source to this? Literally the only thing that casts a doubt on Steven's innocence, to me, is the phone calls to Teresa and the deleted messages.
>a white dindu
The fact still remains that the Avery compound was still the last place the woman was seen
>even good looking nobodies are famous because of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=RGkT6CWOR34
>>64669656
He denied deleting any voicemails (though the way he phrased it it didn't come across as 100% certainty). He only admitted to listening to them
>>64669635
Theresa's brother gave me a really weird vibe. He always seemed so pleased to be on TV and with all the attention focused on him.
I mean it sucks that he dude's sister is dead and not every grieves in the same way, but he seemed very off and I did not find him a likeable or sympathetic person at all from the few clips we saw.
>>64669732
We all know he did it, anon
>lesbian documentarians
I ddint' even know this was a meme anymore
>>64668860
Yeah?
>>64669727
>>64669656
Just to clarify it was her ex-BF who listened to the vmails after "guessing" her passcode
>>64669682
>police dindu
THE TABLES HAVE TURNEEED
>>64669783
Yeah.
So yeah, the cops let him get arrested for the thing in 1985. That all stemmed from the confrontation with a cops wife.
But the cop wasn't involved in the case relating to the murder. Why would an entire police department have a grudge on Steven and set up this whole elaborate conspiracy over a confrontation with some guys wife? Makes no sense.
Steven killed her. No conspiracy
very stupid people always have terrible phone manners. Growing up, my dad would get calls from this retarded guy who did business with him. Someone would answer when he rang and he'd always just say "Who this" as if he had totally forgotten he was making a phone call.
>>64669890
All that $$$$$ anon
>>64669890
>Why would an entire police department have a grudge on Steven and set up this whole elaborate conspiracy over a confrontation with some guys wife
Uhh, the tens of millions of dollars they were about to civilly liable for? I[m not saying that's what happened, but the doc went over that.
>>64669890
>>64669890
Steven was gonna sue them when he got out of jail. That's why they killed Theresa and then took his familys land under control and planted laughable "evidence" to frame him.
>>64669890
>Why would an entire police department have a grudge on Steven
His resulting lawsuit got a whole bunch of important people deposed. People who had power forcibly taken away from them are not known for their rationality, especially when those people are police which is a notoriously masonic environment. They got exposed and didn't like it, so by besmirching Stephen and entire Avery family name it makes people less sympathetic to his false imprisonment and more willing to believe the sherrif's department really dindu nuffin
Ok I really want to finish this doc but its so fucking long, I have 6 episodes left...
>>64669635
Maybe he just wanted Avery to have done it so he could have some solace in believing that the murderer had been arrested and convicted.
>>64670010
>>64669964
you really think police officers give a fuck about city money?
>>64670049
>People who had power forcibly taken away from them are not known for their rationality, especially when those people are police which is a notoriously masonic environment.
you're a truther, aren't you?
Are there any theories as to why they covered up the rape and framed Steven?
He definitely murdered that woman though.
>>64670096
It wasn't city money. It would have had to be paid by the police department. Which obviously would have meant losing $36m would have shut down the entire place
>>64670096
I doubt the parties involved would have jobs and pensions for very long after that invoice was served to the county/city boards.
>>64669890
1) clearly officers Holbourn/Lenk hated Avery as evidenced by them doing nothing when in '95 Holbourn received a call from a different detective saying Allan admitted to crime Avery was in prison for
2) they and the department stood to lose a crazy amount of money as well ruined reputation as a result of the Avery civil suit (aka when they were deposed
3) they and everyone in the city hated that family
now one might not think this is enough to incentivize them to tamper with evidence but so much of the case was sketchy. If they were didn't have a grude against Avery why were they so hellbent on being involved in the investigation even though they WERE SPECIFICALLY TOLD TO STAY AWAY FROM IT
Add their inclination to be a part of the scene to the many questionable circumstantial pieces of evidence and things get murky
1) key randomly appears only after multiple searches and of course was found by Jim Lenk when their babysitter police officer wasn't paying attention
2) Jim Lenk never logged into the evidence scene and lied about what time he entered to make it appear as though he got their before the log started (even though the first time around he said he got there well after the log started)
3) needle in container of blood in Avery's file, which was originally sent in by Lenk himself
plus a whole bunch of other nonsense
Brendan really is a fucking moron. The phone calls to his mum were fucking cringe
>>64670134
He pulled out his dong and wanked at the head of the police departments wife, also supposedly ran her off the road with his car and pulled out a gun
>>64668860
Convince me this isn't a shittier The Jynx
>>64670289
yeah?
the brother and ex-boyfriend seemed very shady, though I think the brother-in-law and other nephew probably did it
and why is the same judge allowed to hear the appeal case if they heard the original case?
>>64670351
Because other than multiple heinous crimes involving one person they have nothing in common. The Jinx is almost entirely about Durst, Making a Murderer is about law enforcements, prosecution and defense attorneys as much as it is about Avery himself
>>64668881
>>64670463
>The Jinx is almost entirely about Durst
it's also about law enforcement and prosecution anon. Durst was acquitted.
>>64669092
That guy was a fucking snake, as well as bringing in his associate to pretty much force Brendan to write a confession and draw scenes that he wanted him to draw
what accent does the Avery family have? do Americans really sound like that?
>>64670503
Justice for our boy
>>64670169
i think not the police had to pay it, but themselves, cause the insurance wouldn't cover it.
>>64669092
I was thinking more evil brother of Rick Moranis
>>64670552
They have some weird Canadian/southern accent plus theyre retarded. almost no one in America sounds like them
>NO BLOOD AT CRIME SCENE
>NO DNA OTHER THAN OLD BONES
How did they manage a conviction, how did Steve and Wrestlemania expertly cover up of the victims blood?
>>64670552
Think Fargo but uneducated hillbilly version.
If Steven had an iq of 70. How could Brendan not be classified as a retard?
>>64670565
the city and county would definitely be liable. They were acting as city/county agents.
does anyone have a youtube vid of Brandens mom freaking out after the trial? that shit made me lol so hard t b h f a m
>>64670598
Yeah, I live an hour south of Manitowoc and I've never heard a person talk like that.
>>64670518
They barely touch upon that stuff relative to MaM. It's not like they go in depth documenting the states and defense attorneys arguments. The Jinx is 95% about Durst, his ex-wife and her family and Susan Berman. Very little coverage elsewhere.
More than half of MaM is about the actually court precedings
>>64670674
Appleton here. It's a Manitowoc thing.
>>64670672
What's funny about losing your son?
>>64670643
No one bothered to get him checked out. Sounds like their whole family is slow, it probably was no surprise to them when Brendan turned out to be more retarded than usual. Out of everyone I feel the worst for him because he had no chance from the start. Steven at least managed to have some wits about him. Brendan didn't even know what fucking inconsistant meant.
>>64670776
She was yelling at the press who did absolutely nothing to her or her family. The press have every right to film anything they want and she started yelling at them.
>>64670826
Because she just lot her son to lofe imprisonment thanks to absolute bullshit and she knew it. If people were surrounding me after that happened I'd probably do the same. It's not funny, it's grim as fuck watching a woman lash out knowing she has no power to do anything else.
>>64670826
the press that convicted her son before the trial even began?
>>64670818
his mother didn't know too.
>>64670826
they were butting into her business when her SIXTEEN YEAR OLD SON was convicted of a crime he didn't commit.
fuck yourself, anon
Bootlickers
>>64670826
>The press have every right to film anything they want
Of course, but that doesn't mean that it's always appropriate. It might have been better to give her some distance considering what happened.
>>64669635
Because he's too stupid to think critically, much in the same way Dassey was unable to defend himself from manipulation. The family was prepped, like any other family, by prosecutors who assured them they had an air-tight case and any resistance from the defense was petty lawyer's prattle. When prosecutors have dubious circumstantial cases, they wage media war and enlist unwitting victims' families into the effort, so when you dispute the state's case, you're really just admitting:
>you don't care about teresa
>you care more about a murderer
>dey proved it
>da show is bias
And so on. Kratz' manipulation of Mike Halbach was even more devious than Wiegert and Fassbender's of Dassey. He picked the youngest, most naive surviving member of Teresa's family to walk point into the media. He got a guy that would never, ever question what the state said about the death of his sister, and being her brother, the media and everyone else are forbidden from challenging him, because of his protected status as crime victim/survivor.
>>64669717
The fact remains that that's not known because the police never verified whether she went to Zwillinger's after or before Avery's, so enjoy being a fucking moron, Ken.
>>64670964
>you don't care about teresa
>you care more about a murderer
Of all the stupid shit people are saying in comments about the series/the case, these attitudes piss me off the most.
It really boggles my mind that people would rather let a potentially innocent man rot in jail simply because it'd be uncomfortable to bring up the case again.
>>64669833
No, it was both Mike Halbach and Ryan Hillegas, both separately and together, according to their testimony on the stand.
>>64670913
>that scene where neither of them knows what inconsistent means
oh god I felt so bad
>>64670552
A variation of the Great Lakes Accent. You hear the spectrum of them in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, and the corresponding regions of Canada. It's the result of Scandinavian and German immigration into the region in the mid-1800s.
>>64670725
Which high school and year. I'm Menasha '93.
>inb4 oldfag
>>64671104
yeah, i felt bad too. these people should never have been in that situation. Nobody was on their side and were left to drown.
>>64671104
wait she didn't know the word?
i thought she was thinking of why that would matter(since he had an alibi)
>>64669433
>caring this much about cats
Hello Reddit!
>>64668881
Now my entire Saturday afternoon is going to be wasted on this shit.
Thanks friendo.
FRIENDLY REMINDER that Steven Avery raped BOTH Gregory Allen AND Brandon Dassey
Conveniently left out of the series though. Probably didn't fit the narrative of DINDU NUFFIN too well
>>64671333
What
>>64671236
>mom what does 'inconsistent' mean?
>Well honey I dont know!
Were you even watching?
>>64671333
U fucking wot m8?
>>64671333
How did he even rape Gregory Allen? You're full of shit.
>>64671485
I was there on the beach that day. Steven Avery definitely raped Gregory Allen.
>>64671485
>>64671438
>>64671370
Just because it wasn't in the documentary doesn't mean it didn't happen. The Documentary excluded a lot of facts that would go against the intended narrative.
>>64671669
Come with any proof or even allegation from a credible source that he raped Gregory Allen.
>>64671730
what about gregory allen himself?
>ex boyfriend can't remember what time he saw Teresa 3 days before she went missing
Yeah, sure that's fucking believable
>>64671669
I missed something, when where or what proof exists that he raped Brendan?
>>64671841
Brendan claimed so himself in a phone conversation with his mother that was not included in the film (STEVE DINDU NUFFIN)
>>64671418
...i was high off painkillers
sorry
>>64671876
He also claimed that he participated in the murder in a phone call... That kid is legit retarded and just kept telling people what they told him to say so that he'd get out of trouble. He had zero concept of the consequences of what he was saying.
>>64671876
>>64671758
Source?
at this point i feel if steven did it, brendan was uninvolved mostly if not completely
probably thought if they couldn't get brendan to be a part of the crime(therefore reinforcing steven's guilt) they could get that celeb boosting slam dunk
i'm mostly certain she was burned in the drums at the quarry with the remains they could gather moved to steven's pit
and the timeline they pushed is likely off
>>64672079
his few consistencies is the alibi that leaves him unable to be involved at the time they say she died
if he's involved(and steven guilty whether or not he had his help), the timeline's wrong
>>64671876
And, like everything else he "volunteered", he was first fed that information by Wiegert and Fassbender.
>did steven touch you
>no
>you never wrestled
>yeah
>so he touched you then
>yeah
>you better tell yer ma before i do
>be American
>go to jail for no reason
yeah
>>64672542
yea-uh
Fuck Bobby
>>64669635
He definitely came off as suspicious, but I feel like the filmmakers edited things on purpose to make it seem that way.
But in his first appearance, he's talking to reporters immediately after she disappeared, before there was any reason to believe she was murdered, and he was already talking very calmly about "grieving" and "moving on." Definitely odd
>>64672768
that kind of drama is better for the cameras
he didn't love her and she suffered trying to force herself to care about him
>i love my sisters I LOVE MY FAMILY
he rode her ashes to what is essentially knighthood in wisconsin
and out of fairness to them that's pretty much all of they give out on family perspective
kratz(am much as he bitches now), len, the police, and even none of halbach's relations wanted anything to do with the documentary
posting the camera hungry puppet of kratz was the only way they could provide a viewpoint on the halbach side at all
>>64671292
>Forgetting this is the site that spawned Caturday
youmustbenew.jpg
>>64672616
yeah?
The ex boyfriends seemed so sketchy to me. Whether or not they killed her, it still remained pretty obvious that it was the first time they had been interviewed, indicating that the police targeted Steven Avery specifically and exclusively
>>64670132
>comparing a terrorist attack to corrupt police/state
You're an authoritarian government pencil pushing lawmaker aren't you?
>>64669433
>he burned a cat 20 years ago, therefore this demonstrates that he murdered Theresa Halbach
>>64669635
Because he killed her
>>64669635
He has deluded himself into believing steven is the killer bevause its the only way he can get closure
If its not Steven, they will probably never find the real killer
Post yfw Steven got rekt for life because he probably pissed off some one percenter in his shit heel american town
Thinking Avery is innocent is my new favorite meme.
Muh cops killed her
Muh ex looks suspicious
Muh reasonable doubt
Muh EDTA testing is bad because it went against us and if it would have gone the other way it would totally be a viable test
Muh middle class cops are criminal mastermind
Never ceases to make me laugh
The only thing that makes me think he might be innocent is the obvious tampering with the blood vile. I mean come on senpai the masterminds could have at least changed the vile
>>64674142
Prove his guilt
>>64674142
Why had the vile been tampered with?
Why were the keys and bullet found by people who shouldn't have even been there, after multiple searches had already happened?
Face it Americans, the coppers did this one
Who was objectively the most sympathetic person in the whole series?
It's obviously gotta be Mama Avery right?
Felt pretty bad man for her having to endure all of this even though it's not her fault. I mean I guess it is her fault for spawning a family with an average IQ of below 70 but still
>>64674389
Don't forget the keys didn't even have the woman's dna on it and ONLY Stevens
And there were no fingerprints on or inside the car
>>64674263
That already happened so it no longer works that way. But I'll but anyway.
Bullet that killed halbach ( proven) was fired from a gun that Avery had in his possession. Defense offered NO VERIFIABLE PROOF that anything else occurred. They just tried to tie a bunch of circumstantial stuff to it.
>>64674450
Felt bad for the mother too and oddly enough the defense lawyers. Niggas did the best they could and couldn't beat the odds.
>>64674450
BASED Lenk
>best keyfinder in town
>lovely persona - nice to everyone
>helps out with investigations even when he doesn't need to - just that nice of a guy
>good mates with sgt. colburn - another nice guy
>>64674389
The vial blood wasn't proven to be in the SUV. Just because you think it was doesn't mean anything.
Key was fishy. Probably planted to ensure a guilty verdict.
>>64674389
That's not even the worst part
>Only Steven's DNA on Teresa's car key
>No blood found in his house despite "killed" there
>No blood found in the garage despite "killed" there
>There was a hole in Steven Avery's blood tube which only have the police access to
>No fingerprints in car, but there's his blood. If he wore handgloves, there would be no blood.
>Had a car crusher, didn't use it
>Cops lied multiple times in court and everything was disproved thanks to audio and video recordings
I mean it's so fucking retarded, how can the judge buy into this?
You don't have to study law to know there's something wrong here
>>64674534
lel
>>64674495
Police had 8 days access to his house. You don't think they can pick up a gun and fire a bullet?
His entire garage was searched and about 927+ items were found and examined, and they find the bullet 4 months later?
Come on now
>>64674619
Prove that the cops shot the gun...
>>64674696
Prove that Avery did
>>64674696
If they plant a key, what makes you think they won't fire a gun?
>>64669433
>>64673701
#CatLivesMatter
who is this, what is this
They found the woman's suv, bones on the niggas property senpai how the FUCK are you guys letting some sensationalized doc funded by the defense cloud your judgement ?
>>64674728
They prefer to be called Feline-Americans, shitlord
>>64674714
Already done, look up the trial.
>>64674769
They found multiple shells in his garage and in the junkyard. It's a junkyard nigga, are you surprised?
Yet they only found 1 bullet in his garage out of the 29183 shells
>>64674749
Basically two retarded Americans get trolled hard by the police and end up in jail despite there being no evidence
>>64670672
>that shit made me lol so hard t b h f a m
How's that sociopathy working out for you?
Is it possible that Steve straight up killed her, and actually cleaned up really well? The cops being aware of this (booked appointment with Steven, Steven is last person to see her), however could not find enough evidence, plant enough evidence to ensure Steven is found guilty.
I think this is the most logical truth to this situation, considering how much of a mess the whole thing is. Steven actually did kill her and the cops planted a bunch of evidence to find "proof" of Steven's guilt. Other than that, I can't really think of any other way any of this would make sense.
Of course there is a possibility of a third party (ex boyfriend, brother, whatever, these possibilities were never considered by anybody) but there isn't enough to go with there.
>>64674726
See that's the issue with the entire Avery argument. You just dismiss everything because you've created just a wide spread excuse.
There video tape is Avery murdering her
>cops did it
He confessed
>cops coerced him
Halbach comes back from behind the veil and points him out and even points out more evidence which damns him
>cops in heaven are directing her to do this.
>>64674813
Actual retards or meme retards? Red Pill me baby
>>64674714
>PROVE THAT ALIENS DIDN'T DO IT HAHA YOU CAN'T FAG REASONABLE DOUBT
>>64674879
Watch it yourself you fucking idiot
Is "red pill" now equivalent to "explain"? i have a cancer
>>64674879
Just average Americans desu
>>64674858
>and actually cleaned up really well
Cleaned up so well to only leave his dna on the key and not hers? To NOT crush her car in his car crusher, a tool murderers would love to have?
>>64674798
I've already stated that some stuff was planted. They just did it to ensure a guilty verdict. He did it. His own lawyer even let that slip in his closing argument.
Let's face it, these hicks are dumb. Dumb hick Steve Avery, fresh out of an 18 year sentence for a crime he didn't commit, having the pillars of society shake hands with him and apologising to him on behalf of the state. Now, to this dumb hick, he feels invincible, he knows the state has wronged him. Naturally, a dumb hick would figure this the perfect opportunity to sexually assault Teresa, because its unlikely that the cops would have the balls to convict him a second time.
Remember, this is a hick who a)burned a cat b)ran over and pointed a gun at his cousin because she was talking shit about him and c)wrote on his kids bday cards that he was gonna kill mummy when he got out
>>64674450
the two defense lawyers
>>64674575
This
can we go inside your house anon? we are just checking I mean this faces would never frame you for rape and murder twice
>>64674914
I hope you get better soon desu
>>64671104
>>64674879
Tested IQs of 70
>>64674876
All of the things you mentioned is hard proof. Now show me hard proof of Avery having shot the bullet.
And apparently it happened in the garage, why is there not the tiniest droplet of blood found anywhere? He also "shot" her 11 times, why did they only find 1 bullet?
>>64674932
>He did it. His own lawyer even let that slip in his closing argument.
What? Did he and his lawyers slip out he shot her?
>>64674932
What episode ?
How are the Averys so poor? They have like a thousand scrap cars in their yard. So many spare parts etc etc. I mean its not a goldmine but you could easily take apart those cars and sell the parts online or in person for like a minimum of 100 dollars a day
>>64674858
did you see the rest of his house? this man does not know how to clean
imagine trying to completely clean your carpet or driveway of oil or red wine. it's fucking impossible. let alone with blood.
>>64675037
they're not poor. they fucking bought steven avery a house for after prison. they're just hicks without any class.
>>64675037
>They have like a thousand scrap cars in their yard. So many spare parts etc etc.
That doesn't mean shit, scrap cars are usually rusted and have the same parts that you can get from a store in much better condition. Plus, most of the good stuff was probably taken out years ago already.
I like the qt reporter in the press room during the trial
>>64674858
>Actually cleaned up well
So he meticulously scrubbed pretty much all the blood and any other evidence, but completely forgot to do something about the car?
>Is it possible that Steve straight up killed her, and actually cleaned up really well? The cops being aware of this (booked appointment with Steven, Steven is last person to see her)
The police saying they "know" Avery killed her because he had an appointment with her is pretty stupid.
>Of course there is a possibility of a third party (ex boyfriend, brother, whatever, these possibilities were never considered by anybody) but there isn't enough to go with there.
In any sane justice system, it's not the job of the defense to offer an alternative theory.
>>64675178
They have like what, 3000 yards of land? You can sell them all off to a metal scrap place and sell off the entire fucking property
>>64669020
>I can't make my mind up about the murder though
Please tell me you didn't watch the documentary.
I mean, seriously. There's no rebuttal to the shit they uncovered about the police.
She was most likely murdered near Steve Avery's place, but it doesn't take a genius to realise one of his hick cousins probably planted some evidence around his trailer. The cops then did the rest.
I mean, 8 searches of his trailer and no key, and where was all the blood?! Or her DNA on her own car keys?? I can't believe that wasn't a big point.
Fucking corrupt and incompetent hick cops.
>>64675195
I'm surprised by the fact that the police straight went to Avery.
I mean why didn't they check out the co-worker, family, ex boyfriends etc etc?
>>64669727
He said he didn't think he deleted any voicemails. Not an outright denial.
Daily reminder that if you work in law enforcement you're automatically a piece of shit and everyone hates you.
>>64670545
I seriously don't know how his collusion with the prosecution didn't result in a mistrial.
Fucking yank justice system is fucked.
And you fuckers are scared of Sharia law?
Never talk to the police. That poor guy is going to rot in jail thanks to these corrupt, spineless snakes.
>>64675265
okay Tyrone
>>64674510
Yeah those two lawyers really passionately gave a shit and you could see they knew the jig was up when Steven got sent to jail. I have no fucking idea how a jury could ever find Brendan guilty of anything except being legit retarded.
>>64675221
>Fucking corrupt and incompetent hick cops.
So just regular southern cops then?
>>64674813
>No evidence
When will this meme die? There's so much evidence.
>The gun hanging above Avery's bed was the same gun that fired the bullet found in the garage with Teresa's blood on it
>Steven Avery bought chains and ropes from a sex store the day before Teresa's disappearance, the same rope and chains Dassey described. His fiance was in prison so it probably wasn't for her
>Avery DNA found under the hood of the RAV4, corroborating Dassey's testimony that him and Steven went to the RAV4 to remove the battery (The police didn't feed him this)
>Teresa's belongings found in a burn barrel on Steven's property
>Teresa's uneasiness with Steven Avery, reporting to her boss that she doesn't feel comfortable going to the Avery farm after Steven talked to her wearing nothing but a towel
>Steven making multiple phone calls to Teresa after she left, including once from a *67 number
Source? Google it you fucking lazy asshole. This shit is all over the internet. Confirmed by Kratz, and nobody is debating any of it was presented at the trial.
>>64675005
I don't have the proof, the prosecution did though. Can't remember the episode. Oh wait, that's because they left it out of the doc.
His lawyers made mention of "cops don't frame innocent men, they frame guilty men to ensure conviction"
>>64674142
>Muh EDTA testing is bad because it went against us and if it would have gone the other way it would totally be a viable test
You are both missinformed and retarded if you think the EDTA test developed by the FBI in a matter of weeks has any relevance on determining if there was EDTA in the blood or not. Please read something about how diagnostic tests work and the concepts of specificity and sensitivity before you attempt to comment on this case again
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitivity_and_specificity
>>64675314
So show me your source
Why does nobody talk about that Sheriffs video of the cops going into the house saying they should borrow Stevens shoes to use as footprints in unsolved burglaries?
It's obvious that the entire Sheriffs department hated him, and with them personally having to pay 36million it's more than enough motive to frame him. More motive then Steven had of killing Teresa.
>no dna of Teresa anywhere
>guilty
>>64675315
No, but I am pointing out that if that same test had shown EDTA, Avery fags would consider the test totally infallible.
>>64675188
>>64674761
think for a second: what if the police planted that evidence?
>>64674876
>There video tape is Avery murdering her
>He confessed
>Halbach comes back from behind the veil and points him out and even points out more evidence which damns him
We're trying to talk about things that actually happened though
>>64675359
What about on the bullet fired from Steven Avery's gun?
>muh cops had Teresa's blood, fired the gun, then planted the blood on the bullet
That isn't reasonable doubt. That's unreasonable doubt.
Test
>>64675342
Google.com search for facts about Avery case
>>64674761
Did you even watch it?
Also that SUV was called in days before Theresa was deared dead, days before the search party miraculously found it by, you guessed it, magicalOfficer Lenk who always convieniently can't remember what the fuck went down when questioned.
>>64675288
Yep.
Dean Strang's line in ep. 8 about the lack of humility in the justice system (including police and judges) said it all, to me. It's fucking terrifying the power cops have and how their authority or integrity cannot be questioned.
American deference to anyone in uniform is sickening.
It's also sickening to think one cunt said that to question the integrity of the police, that they would "be at their own peril". This is a fucking threat.
>>64675313
Thanks to this documentary and new-found media attention (this time from a different perspective), Avery will probably get a new trial with a great defense lawyer doing it pro-bono for the publicity alone, and will probably walk free because everyone has now already decided Avery is in fact innocent.
Thanks documentarymaker women
>>64675313
>Confirmed by Kratz
Sure is a reliable source, not like he's lied about anything before.
>>64669433
>>64675281
Not that guy, but if you live in the South or the Boonies, you can't trust cops for shit because if there are no black or brown people in your area then they go after the poor, with extreme prejudice. They don't give a shit if you're innocent or not, if they can find an easy victim that will save them time from actually doing hard work then they will throw you under a bus without second thought.
>>64675281
Glad to have you agree with me for once Mr Schmutzberg.
>>64675426
Why aren't Strang and Buting, or the filmmakers refuting it then?
>>64675405
Always makes me end up in reddit or shit like "10 Facts You Need To Know About The Stephen Avery Case"
Come on now, show me a real legitimate source.
>>64675379
But people are talking like there's a frame job happening and that way proven to have not happened in a court of law and several appellate courts.
The things I said have not been opportunely wrong yet, so, in a way, we should be discussing them instead.
>>64674761
Have you actually watched it?
>>64675468
I am from Wisconsin, not Manitowoc county, but I watched the whole thing. Kratz also said it recently. It was common knowledge during the trial to those in the area. Sorry but searching yields the same crap as what you said
>>64675468
It's from fucking Kratz.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/05/arts/television/ken-kratz-making-a-murderer.html
>Oh it's not reliable because Kratz said it
Strang says that the evidence was presented in court, but he disagrees with it.
>>64675313
>>The gun hanging above Avery's bed was the same gun that fired the bullet found in the garage with Teresa's blood on it
The cops probably planted a lot of stuff -- it isn't crazy to think they might have fabricated this.
>>Steven Avery bought chains and ropes from a sex store the day before Teresa's disappearance, the same rope and chains Dassey described. His fiance was in prison so it probably wasn't for her
Source needed.
Also -- where was the blood in the room? The police fed the stuff to Dassey about the ropes.
>>Avery DNA found under the hood of the RAV4, corroborating Dassey's testimony that him and Steven went to the RAV4 to remove the battery (The police didn't feed him this)
Source needed
>>Teresa's belongings found in a burn barrel on Steven's property
Could've been planted by the real murderer, who probably knew Avery
>>Teresa's uneasiness with Steven Avery, reporting to her boss that she doesn't feel comfortable going to the Avery farm after Steven talked to her wearing nothing but a towel
Wow, a tactless hick upset a woman because he's clueless? The guy has a low IQ and spent nearly two decades in prison. I'm sure he doesn't have the best people skills.
Also, I've had people answer doors to me in their towels after showers.
Hicks act like hicks.
>>Steven making multiple phone calls to Teresa after she left, including once from a *67 number
Why would he call someone he just killed?
>>64675313
>Steven Avery bought chains and ropes from a sex store the day before Teresa's disappearance, the same rope and chains Dassey described. His fiance was in prison so it probably wasn't for her
Unless there is conclusive evidence that they were used on Halbach, that's evidence of jack shit.
>Avery DNA found under the hood of the RAV4, corroborating Dassey's testimony that him and Steven went to the RAV4 to remove the battery (The police didn't feed him this)
Wasn't this DNA "found" long after the murder took place? That is, my understanding is that it was a few months before somebody decided to swab for DNA even though they knew that the battery was disconnected
>Teresa's belongings found in a burn barrel on Steven's property
If you buy into the premise that Avery is being framed, dumping her phone into a barrel on his property wouldn't be that difficult.
>Teresa's uneasiness with Steven Avery, reporting to her boss that she doesn't feel comfortable going to the Avery farm after Steven talked to her wearing nothing but a towel
>Steven making multiple phone calls to Teresa after she left, including once from a *67 number
Being a creep doesn't make you a murderer
>>64675547
These morons refuse to believe him because of something he did years later. The doc did an excellent job brainwashing these people.
>>64675288
wisconsin isn't the south you fucking idiiot
>>64675454
fuck off libshit
you have no idea what you're talking about. cops are way more lenient in small cities
>>64675462
Buting is on twitter, and has been calling out Kratz on his bullshit.
Here's the link from his tweet
https://www.wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/DisplayDocument.pdf?content=pdf&seqNo=113968
>>64675366
Jesus, I was waiting for this.
You should've included names. The Elite tier women were just amazing.
Steve's second girlfriend -- the one on the far left in the "Things could..." tier, was adorable, also.
>>64675414
I live in the South and I feel you there. Most of those guys don't really care about the uniform and see it as just an easy way to make money. Every year in my county they do an internal bust to get the corruption out and it's just usually the ones that were too stupid to hide their criminal activity, the rest are smart enough to hide their tracks.
>>64675571
Just look at the length of your explanation. Is it more likely that he did it or that each and every single one of these things happened. Your argument gets thinner with every greentext.
>>64675619
I'm from Wisconsin.
If you move Wisconsin right between Alabama and Louisiana, literally no one would notice anything different.
>>64675632
followed
>>64675632
>A character assassination on Kratz
>Doesn't refute anything he's actually saying
You guys just want to believe this injustice story, no matter how much it starts to fall apart when you look into it.
>>64675632
Lol, the word 'opinion' is in the link. In the trash it goes.
>>64675665
>this is what mentally ill liberals actually believe
let me guess, you're from madison
>>64675632
Buting was a fucking rock star in that courtroom. Everytime he got up to speak he made every word count.
>>64675363
if that test would have shown EDTA it would be unreliable and left out of the evidence since it was conducted by the prosecution. They never announced.
>>64675653
I feel you. I'm not American, but the worst cunts I went to school with went on to be cops as they knew it was easy-street and they'd have power.
>>64675725
Waukesha county, one of the most conservative counties in all of North America.
I'm fairly conservative myself, this state is fucking hicksville. Anybody who drives far outside of Milwaukee can see that.
>>64675619
>cops are way more lenient in small cities
No they fucking ain't man, they're only lenient to those that give them hush money or a cut from illegal profits. Small town cops don't give a shit about the regular folks and will fuck them over so they have to waste money in court fees.
>>64675752
Then why did he lose every single motion that mattered? Even in the appellate courts kratz fist fucked him.
The ex boyfriend killed her and planted the car, bones etc in the Avery house. The cops planted the key and the key only.
>>64675725
>He's disagreeing with me and I don't have anything intelligent to say
>I already called him reddit
>I know, I'll call him liberal! That'll show him!
>>64675755
You know that Avery fags would jump on that every chance though right? Do you not see the irony?
>>64675619
>cops are way more lenient in small cities
Only to their buddies and family, fuckball.
>>64675815
>Planted the car
>Planted the bones
>Planted Avery's DNA underneath the hood of the car and removed the battery, just so Dassey's testimony makes sense
>Stole Avery's gun and used that to kill her
>Removed the bullet from her skull and hid it in Avery's garage
That's literally completely asinine.
>>64675815
This is what I thought.
I wish they'd pursued it more like the "West of Memphis" documentary did, but I suppose it's still an open case and it might harm the defense to seem too offensive.
Who /Lenk/ here?
>>64675313
>Steven making multiple phone calls to Teresa after she left, including once from a *67 number
It's funny how contrarianfags who have done no research on the matter always leave out the fact that he gave his sister's name in those calls and they were made for bussiness. If he was harassing her, why would he give the name of another Avery?
>>64675815
Okay so how do you suppose Steven's blood got in the car in that scenario? And what about the bullet?
>>64675895
A lot of assumptions there about what the police didn't do.
The police had 10 days to do things with that gun.
>>64675774
>the worst cunts I went to school with went on to be cops as they knew it was easy-street and they'd have power.
That's mostly what you got here too. I know of several people I went to high school with that shouldn't be given a butter knife let along a badge and gun, knowing they'll just abuse it as soon as it was handed to them. The commissioners don't care, so long as they have bodies in uniforms and those that do try to become honest policeman, usually quit after a few years because they can't do anything or become just like the rest.
>>64675792
just stop talking. you clearly have no experience on the matter. i've been let off for speeding and running red lights in the country. a city cop will bust your ass for going two over
>>64675777
where exactly
>>64675853
I said that the result wouldn't be released to the public since it was conducted by the State.
>>64675801
Did you even hear Kratz's closing statement?
>Forget about the key, just use common sense!
>>64675922
Don't you see, magic fairy dust. The cops planted everything. They left no evidence of planting, but they definitely did. Now I'm going to go in the corner and closer my ears as tight as possible so I don't have to hear your argument.
>>64675363
And they would be right about that.
The problem of the test itself is not the false positives, they are pretty acurate, the problem is the false negatives which are common.
Not even my words, it was explained by the lab expert on court.
>>64675366
there's another cute husbando reporter that is not in that chart
>>64675832
>>64675855
literally reddit
there's no way you kids are older than 18
Remember when Colbern rang dispatch about info on Teresas car, how did he know the make & model?
It was like he was looking at it and just getting confirmation of the license from the dispatch. But that was 2 days before the car was found.
The Sheriffs were obviously sketchy.
>>64675895
Some chucklefuck killed her on Avery's property knowing that Avery wasn't a model citizen and wasn't popular with the police, and would therefore be a good patsy. The cops assumed Avery did it and saw it as a godsend given the pending lawsuit. There wasn't enough evidence tying Avery to the crime, so the police planted/made up enough to convict him.
>>64675999
"Police don't frame innocent men, they plant evidence on guilty men to ensure a conviction"
He did better there.
>>64675932
Your implying that they somehow either
A. Fired the gun without the other officers raising any suspicion.
B. Taken the gun, probably the most crucial evidence on the scene, to another location, shot the bullet, then planted it
You're going beyond reasonable doubt here.
>>64675921
I'm not being contrarian. I'm just not being a fucking sheep who obeys the clearly biased documentary that left a lot of this shit out. Do you have any source on this? Because I haven't read that anywhere.
>>64676029
wow you showed them hey
>>64676051
That was sketchy
Bobby was sketchy
Scott Tydach was sketchy
>>64676002
>No evidence of planting
The car key only had Stevens DNA, that's near impossible.
>>64675961
>where exactly
Pewaukee. Why do you care? Do you think I'm lying?
>>64675959
>those that do try to become honest policeman, usually quit after a few years because they can't do anything or become just like the rest.
Yep. It's the Serpico catch.
Police chiefs could be more thorough in rooting out corruption, but they're probably dab-hands at it themselves, or don't want to rock the boat too much.
The sense of entitlement of cops is just staggering.
FRIENDLY REMINDER that Steven Avery raped BOTH James Lenk and Theresa Halbach's brother
This is the hidden motive
>>64675405
>Google.com search for facts about Avery case
HOLY SHIT YOU CAN'T BE REAL
Come on, show us your sources
>>64675313
Read it and shut your face
http://jenniferjslate.com/2016/01/04/what-did-netflixs-making-a-murderer-leave-out/
>>64675221
This was my biggest issue. The prosecuting DA had two different stories of what occurred for Steve and Brendan. They ignored the fact that Brendan's testimony stated that they slit her throat, implying blood would be absolutely everywhere and assuming that this killed her.
Then in Steven's trial, they say that she was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the garage.
I mean, it's pretty obvious why they didn't use Brendan's admission in Steve's case, because none of his story matched with what the DA was trying to convince the jury of.
This is all ignoring the fact that not a single piece of evidence shows that any of this torture or mutilation ever occurred anywhere on the Avery property, bedroom, or garage.
Any fucking moron who doesn't believe that Avery at least deserves a new trial is literally a straight troll. The biggest evidence that was omitted from the doc that the drug addled sexual offender Ken Kratz could come up with is, "He was being creepy before she died."
>>64676002
>They left no evidence of planting
>blood vial had a syringe hole in it
>evidence box had the tape cut
>car keys only had Steven's DNA, NONE of Teresa's
>>64676144
https://www.wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/DisplayDocument.pdf?content=pdf&seqNo=113968
