>practical effects of the prequels
>>64659502
I'm very surprised that that's an actual set
>>64659372
|I'm pretty sure something like this is a maquette used as reference for CG artists rather than something that was actually shot in the movie
was the sheevspin a practical effects anon?
Watch some of the weta BTS.
What they did was spending enormous amount of time on practical effects. Then they kept adding layer after layer of cgi until it was pretty much unrecognizable. I am talking specifically about >>64659674
>>64659644
I honestly think this is much worse than if they just did the cgi.
>>64659809
>>64659850
Fuck i meant industrial light and magic obviously, not weta.
>>64659850
>I honestly think this is much worse than if they just did the cgi.
>>64659720
Was there an alternate scene where Anakin and Sheev fight Windu and the Jedi? That would've been awesome
>>64659586
Why?
There is a great deal of action and movement going on in that scene
>>64659720
hol up, anikin wasn't in the room then
>the prequels had sets
Prequel haters BTFO
>>64660071
idk just looked really fake. maybe it was the lighting or I really am just brainwashed. this thread is an eye opener.
>>64660159
It really means nothing you pleb
>>64660230
Fights between two human characters probably required some sort of set so blocking and choreographing can be established in certain cases.
>generic snow
>generic sand
>generic grass
vs
>Mustafar
>Kamino
>Felucia
Think I know which I enjoyed watching more.
>SFAcucks getting this BTFO
>>64660454
> lava planet
> sterile factory on water planet
Felucia is alright, looks more like Star Trek than Star Wars though
>>64660515
>>SFAcucks getting this BTFO
>>64659792
Oh hey. That's Grant and Tory from Mythbusters.
>>64660394
That was makeup?
Why do the Plinkett review give the impression that the movies had a lot more CGI?
>>64660607
Did you think Sheev really looked like that?
>>64660653
>>64660634
Because they do have an absurd anount of cgi?
>>64660634
Cause Plinkett knows shit about film production.
>>64659354
Looks like Amigara Fault desu.
>>64660634
>Why does satire leave out information
I don't know, for comedy? I bet you believe everything you see on The Daily Show as well.
>>64659850
This. I can't believe they're real sets, because they managed to make them look fake as FUCK.
>>64659354
>prequels
They aren't prequels though. Just episodes 1-3. A prequel would happen before 1-3.
>>64660230
It probably is fake in the final cut. They do a shit load of post processing to sets and things. Sometimes they completely CG over a practical effect.
>>64660634
They had a lot of green screen. Must of what's posted in this thread is miniatures - they were still acting against green screens.
>>64660909
>They aren't prequels though. Just episodes 1-3. A prequel would happen before 1-3.
>>64660723
>I never asked for this
All that effort and it still looked fake.
>>64660634
The movies do have a lot more CGI. There's only a handful of sets pictured here.
>>64660752
Wait hol up
Yoda is real? how in the hell? I always figured he was a puppet or some shit. How is he walking around by himself?
>>64660938
That's how it works. You don't make "Part 5" the call "Part 4" a prequel. You call whatever comes before "Part 1" in the story line a "Prequel".
It is as bad as when people celebrated the new century when the 1999-2000 new year rolled around.
>>64661074
In episodes 5 and 6 they got the real guy. He was busy during the filming of episode 1 so they had to use a puppet, which is why it looks so shitty.
In episodes 2 and 3 he was too old to do all the action scenes they wanted, so they just had him as a stand in for the cgi version you'd see in the finished movies.
>>64661108
>You don't make "Part 5" the call "Part 4" a prequel. You call whatever comes before "Part 1" in the story line a "Prequel".
>>64659452
>>64659644
>>64659674
>>64660062
>>64660546
>>64660969
""""""""""""practical"""""""""""" sets
>>64661108
FYI, The Phantom Menace is part 4.
>>64661108
why are you trying to derail this thread?
TFA fucking BTFO holy fuck!
ITT cherry picking
>actually saw these blu-ray edits of the originals for the first time last night that I've been hearing about for fucking years
>That deleted scene with 'human jabba' pops up
>they CGI'd in final concept Jabba over the human and scaled him down to human height
what in gods name
>>64659928
It's like an uncanny valley of CGI.
All sets? Great!
All CGI? Tolerable.
Some sets with that much CGI poured on them? Shit.
That's really the biggest problem of the prequels; they were just too ugly. I'd have overlooked most of the story problems if Lucas just made movies that didn't look worse than in the fucking 70s.
>>64661368
>he actually spend time to photoshopping the original picture to shitpost on /tv/
embarassing
>>64661375
tap_dancing_kenobi_lays_down_force_tripwire.jpg
>>64661375
Episode 1 actually had alot of practical sets. Or at least they didn't over CG them in post like they did the other 2
>>64661449
>>64661421
>>64661368
>>64659792
TPM actually made use of a lot of traditional techniques and was actually shot on film, which is why I think it does fit with the OT.
Those other two though...
>>64661554
>sup lil space nigga
>>64659922
>Everyone is human, no crazy creatures.
Bravo Lucas.
>mfw prequelshits will defend this
>>64659354
>>64659372
>>64659452
>>64659502
>>64659530
>>64659644
>>64659674
>>64659720
>>64659792
>>64659855
>>64659922
>>64659960
>>64660009
>>64660062
>>64660364
>>64660394
>>64660422
>>64660491
>>64660546
>>64660587
>>64660601
>>64660678
>>64660723
>>64660752
>>64660797
>>64660851
>>64660969
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>>64661582
And not a single clone trooper.
>>64661688
>>64661650
I don't even like the prequels and I know how cherrypicked this is. Show the greenscreen from the OT and the maquettes from the PT faggot
i'm really glad that the artistic genius, george lucas, took the time and effort to shoot on real locations and build real sets, and real costumes for characters to interact with, instead of having his animators do everything for him in CGI later
>>64661688
that's all I've been thinking in this thread. could they not spare some ABS plastic to make a few dozen clone trooper suits?
>>64661754
computers are cheaper than people, no unions, no craft services, etc
>>64661688
>>64661161
>the real guy
is this bait? Yoda has always been a puppet
>>64661737
kek how can you this delusional
you've already been BTFO by this thread
Posting green and blue screen shots does not somehow negate all the practical effects shown in this thread.
Plus, I actually like CGI.
>>64661777
>I wonder if there's any way we can do this shot in the computer
>>64661754
>>64661809
>>64661688
The clones all had to be identical in height and weight.
>clones
fuck you people are dumb
>>64661161
I almost took it, right good b8 m8.
>>64659354
Great thread!
I am now in love with prequels (except Jar Jar, that was little bit too much, but it is not that bad, when if you compere it to that soulless BB8 toy).
TFA is shit and everything about it are lies. I have never expected that TFA will implode so well. But it happened and now we can understand what true SW movie is.
Fuck Kasdan who wrote that unoriginal piece of crap and Jew Jew with his lies about practical effects.
>>64661898
The troopers in the OT looked the same.
>>64661901
FALSE FLAG
>>64661777
Lucas doesn't look that out of shape when he's not wearing the flannel shirts
>>64661809
Is that true? Even with the man hours you'd need to pay artists to do all the close up Commander Cody scenes and stuff?
Do you think that's the sole reason? Just look at how many celebrities volunteered to cameo in the new movie for free. I bet any number of fans would have taken dismal dayplayer sums to wear a stormtrooper costume and stand in formation.
>>64661065
I forgot about that deleted scene with Shaak Ti dying.
Why did Lucas think that was a good idea in the first place?
>>64660364
mr lucas, I'm set designer
>>64661898
>clones are exact copies
Kek>>64661901
>>64661933
No?
Watch any shot with a few Storm Troopers in it.
That shot in 6 in the forest is good.
They are all clearly different heights.
>>64661935
Disney shill, fuck of.
>>64661898
>thinks viewers can determine someone's build and exact height through molded plastic
>has never seen a stormtrooper
>>64661961
>I bet any number of fans
Identical fans?
CLONED fans?
>>64661992
So get extras that are the same height and build. Do you know how many starving actors there are in LA?
>>64661516
lewd
>>64660678
Zam Wessel is a cutie.
>>64662026
No, but like twenty guys who are six foot and wear a size large. This is what casting calls do.
What's the point in making all these practical sets if they are just going to jizz cgi all over them in post-production so they all look like cgi anyway?
There are ways to use practical sets properly, the prequels are not a good example of that. Something like Lord of the Rings is.
>>64662025
>This
Just get a bunch of skinny dudes that are 6ft, put them in the armour and do all the background troopers with CG.
>>64661961
Think about where the money goes? instead of paying working actors, Lucas redirects the budget to his own special effects company
>>64662033
see
>>64662026
You would need an army of Identical fans.
>inb4 augment with CGI
it would have looked more jarring to have a couple comtumes and an army of CGI troopers behind them.
>>64662057
>thinks Lucas knew the stormtroopers were going to be clones in the OT and had any reason to exclusively hire extras of a certain height
>thinks it would take casting in the early 2000s any more than a day to find 20 willing extras of the same height for a new star wars
>yfw this thread has redeemed the prequel trilogy
>yfw OT and TFA fags are BTFO
>>64662147
Are you aware that in the Death Star Hangar scene when the Emperor arrives in ESB that only the first row of stormtroopers is real and the remainder are matte paintint?
>>64662223
>ESB
Probably bait, but yes I am. Are they moving of fighting? Are they marching in formation.
No.
>>64662147
They don't have to be actual fucking clones to look like clones while masked and in armor, holy shit.
Besides, they didn't even make ONE set of armor for the fucking Jango actor to wear.
>>64662147
>>64662223
imgur.com/gallery/mLraW
>>64661898
>changing people's height on camera is impossible!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWMFpxkGO_s
>>64662152
But the Jango template was not in use at the time of the OT.
>>64662147
>it would have looked more jarring to have a couple comtumes and an army of CGI troopers behind them.
more jarring than a real head floating on a CGI body? Kek
>>64662314
lol
Forced perspective is very limited in it's use. It wouldn't work in a scene with lots of people and lots of camera movement.
>>64662280
not bait. i just don't think it would really be "jarring." battle scenes are filled in all the time with CGI players in the background and real players in the foreground. I'm saying if you can't detect that a static image is a painting after post processing, it's not very likely an out of focus CG character would have been that noticeable
>>64662328
>floating
I don't think you know how compositing works.
>image.jpg
oh
>>64662368
That's why in a scene with LOTS of people you use cgi, or simply copy one person again and again, also like they did in Lord of the Rings for the huge army shots.
>>64662326
even less reason height differences in stormtroopers is indicative that it is impossible to have actors hired specifically for their build to look uniform when wearing molded plastic armor
>>64662380
You CAN, but in my opinion, It looks fine the way it is.
>incoming jaypegs and webms of shit cgi
It's about caring about the story before caring about how good the effects are.
So please drown me in shit PT cgi.
>>64662420
????
That's what they did in AOTC.
They copied Temuera Morrison's build with CGI duplicates.
>>64662314
No, no, no, too much effort. Just use CGI and get this shit over with.
>>64662444
you're not wrong. I think the battle scenes look fine. It's only noticeable when characters like Cody need to interact with Obi-Wan. When it's the focus of the scene it's jarring. Having real actors in the foreground would only enhance immersion imo
>>64662473
My point is for smaller, more static scenes like this, it could have easily been a guy in a suit.
Although basically everything in that shot apart from Chewie is cgi so WHO CARES AM I RIGHT?
>>64659354
>made all these sets
>couldnt even make a realistic SD bridge
That CGI is worse than playstation
>>64662507
where were these fuckers in TFA
>>64662476
>lord of the rings was all a dream by Gandalf who lives alone and dying
>>64659644
>>64659674
How do they get the "lava" to glow like that?
>>64662585
JUST
>>64660634
Because they actually do have a lot more CGI?
>>64662585
>i spent 6 fucking hours getting this done and now you want me to post for a camera for another fucking hour
>>64662511
Everything in that shot looks fine exept for the cloth part of the clone armor.
But really none of that stops me from enjoying this movie every time I watch it.
>>64662470
I like how prequel defenders just invent this idea that people thought everything in the prequels was CGI because they can't actually defend it's shitty use of digital effects.
>>64659354
>>64659372
>>64659452
>>64659502
>>64659530
>>64659644
>>64659674
>>64659792
>>64659922
>>64660364
>>64660601
>>64661106
>>64662218
>>64662470
>mfw most of this brilliance was produced in a nondescript warehouse in a shitty, mostly industrial part of my small home town
the feels. these films were unlike anything seen before when made by an indie film company. now they are trash made in hollywood
>>64662520
nice hyperbole
Also, that doesn't look like CGI.
If it is, I can't tell.
So they did their job.
>>64660081
if i recall correctly, there were a couple of versions of this scene shot, according to rumor back in the day. one in which Anakin was present for the entire altercation and intervened at the end when Windu got the upper hand. i also recall something about the lightsaber that Sheev used in one of the shots left in the film is evidently Anakin's.
>>64662692
Look at the controls on the left edge. Basic rectangles, no detail on the surfaces, "soft glow" preset. It something you could do in 3dsmax in 10 minutes
>>64662656
Are you actually being serious?
That shot looks like absolute garbage, video game cinematics look better than this shit.
Prequel fags everyone.
>>64662684
I do like that Lucas worked seperate from hollywood.
>these movies were made out of pocket
based George
>The prequels look bad, mkay ?
>>64661967
Now is not the time to argue anon.....
>>64662326
The correct answer
>>64662656
You're kidding, right? Those closeups look like absolute dogshit, the fidelity of the CG has aged horribly. It looks like a fucking Blizzard Cutscene straight out of 2003.
>>64662722
But that's how the OT Star Destroyers looked?
>>64662511
What game is this?
> so ugly, right ? Much prefer generic desert or snow
>>64662722
Something I'm sure you noticed while this shot was on screen and not after ten minutes scrutinizing a still image
>>64662768
Blizzard CGI has aged better than the prequels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYK_Gqyf48Y
> can't compare with Jakku.
>>64662722
>>64662768
ok fags, you should probably take a closer look at the work done in tfa because it's actually a step down in the cgi department.
>>64662819
B T F O
![attackoftheclones-clonetroopers-army[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tOBrRB8.jpg "attackoftheclones-clonetroopers-army[1].jpg")
>>64662747
>>64662803
CHERRY
PICKING
STAR WARS REBELS LOOKS BETTER THAN THIS
KNOW YOUR LIMITATIONS AND WHEN NOT TO USE THEM
>>64662835
Is that a joke? That's a fucking cartoon.
PT hasn't aged well but that is just shit.
>>64662850
jakku can't even compare to tattooine. all we saw from jakku was a junkyard (with product placements from george lucas) and flea market
>>64662850
Why is Naboo so wasted in TPM? Why did Lucas waste so much time on Tatooine?
>>64661480
I would pound her ass while she stays put just like that
>>64662857
Yeah.
ROTS Yoda>Maz Kanata
CGI wise
>inb4 shots of AOTC
>what is SSC and why was it not in use until 2005
![ROTJ v2.0 Workprint.mkv_snapshot_01.58.11_[2016.01.09_11.16.14].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/niVuKcN.jpg "ROTJ v2.0 Workprint.mkv_snapshot_01.58.11_[2016.01.09_11.16.14].jpg")
>>64662776
Yeah right
>>64662835
Good, now we can show people how regular cgi of the era compared to star wars
it's like you faggots forget the prequels are about to be 20 years old
>>64662850
Is this a screenshot from battlefront 2?
>>64662889
>focuses on the style
>can't see that Blizzard's CGI has more fidelity than prequel CGI
>>64662803
The desert scenes in ANH are used much more effectively, though. You don't need a thousand things in the frame to make it look good.
>>64662888
That shot looks great though.
>>64662835
Short animatics will always age better than movies in the CGI department.
Much shorter, but same amount of time to work on them.
>>64662902
>>64662857
Are you retards actually serious? When we have access to proper quality shots of TFA PLEASE show me some cgi that you think is worse than ANYTHING in the prequels.
Spoilers: there isn't any.
>>64662955
>city planet
>barren rock
>hurr what are different eviroments
>>64662918
I'm glad we agree?
>>64662940
>doesn't understand that CGI elements on a CGI background look better than CHI characters on a real background to begin with due to the way the brain perceives the difference
>>64663022
>real background
lel
>>64662888
stay delusional
>>64662961
*aren't
>>64662986
that anon is talking about dramatic import of the staging, not the cool different TFA playsets you bought
>>64662585
gj george, he looks like steve buscemi now
>>64661898
It's not like height is a bellcurve and majority of people are roughly the same height or anything
>>64662961
Lol, faggot, are you serious? quality shots of the prequels cgi are rarely or never even posted, just shitty quality pixel shit. Fuck off. Maz and Gollum looked fake as fuck as star wars, faker than anything seen in the series
>>64663077
>TFA
>different
u wot
>>64662768
Chewie literally looks like a shitty photoshop
>>64663104
I was so glad we got to see maZ kanata again after the way Antz ended
>>64663104
FLASE FLAG
>>64663094
Temuera Morrison is 5'7
>>64661992
>Not mentioning this scene as the example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBQaLuqwtl8
>>64662585
You know, for kids!
>>64663119
Ironically enough, Chewbacca is the only real thing in that scene.
>>64663152
kak
>>64663146
Well, I'm never unseeing that.Although now I might actually enjoy her scenes. Thanks anon!
>>64663178
>CGI isn't a real thing
>>64662589
Bottomlit panels covered in some kind of jelly i'm guessing
![ct_yoda04[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XPccM9M.jpg "ct_yoda04[1].jpg")
>>64662958
>That shot looks great though.
If you're actually serious and not trying to force your contrarian 17 year old brain into thinking that, then I don't know what to tell you. The actual visual fidelity of the clone trooper CG has aged very poorly, they stand out like a sore thumb in the movies and they look like video game cutscenes.
Look I didn't like Maz Kanata either, but you cannot sit here an shitpost that she looks worse than this.
>>64663213
You best be posting that as a an example of good CGI.
It looks great.
>>64663147
Manlet Fett confirmed.
>>64663221
no, CGI is virtual
>>64663221
Let me know when you can walk up to and touch a piece of CG artwork that's not printed on a sheet of paper.
>>64663249
That looks better than most 2002 CGI, especially 2002 CGI as the focus of a shot.
I don't see a problem.
You wouldn't say Taun Taun stop motion (not the recomosited 1997) from ESB looks good now, so why rag on 13 year old SFX?
Also, don't say they should have used a guy in a suit. I'm addressing your post about the quality of the CGI.
>>64662035
how does R2 even fit into that?
>>64663403
movie magic
A lot more here:
http://boards.theforce.net/threads/practical-effects-in-the-prequels-sets-pictures-models-etc.50017310/
Maz looked like a fake video game character compared to jar jar. You can tell there was a lot of fucking effort on the cgi in the prequels, especially jar jar in the beginning, "they key to all of this"
not so much in tfa. it was an afterthought, lazily implemented into scenes.
but why bother talking about maz when there was a fucking gollum clone that looked WORSE than gollum did in 2001 or w/e
>>64663376
>That looks better than most 2002 CGI, especially 2002 CGI as the focus of a shot.
you are kidding, right?
>>64663480
>animated movie
Oh, you're retarded. Ok.
If that EXACT sully shot was in AOTC, you'd call it dogshit for not looking real.
>>64663476
YOUR MEMES END HERE
>>64661898
Clones can be different heights and weights and still be clones. They can even be different ages, or different sexes.
![vlcsnap-2011-11-20-09h47m34s249[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/3wyqLE4.png "vlcsnap-2011-11-20-09h47m34s249[1].png")
>>64663376
>That looks better than most 2002 CGI, especially 2002 CGI as the focus of a shot.
Oh you done it now anon
>>64663480
what the fuck are you going on about posting pixar animation?
which by the way exists because of lucasfilm.
