Are there any worthwhile movies produced in this country? Chinese cartons excluded.
I've had a guide to japanese directors saved somewhere but I can't find it now, maybe someone else will post it
>>64654111
Not anymore.
Akira Kurosawa's stuff, mainly. Rashomon, Seven Samurai, Yojimbo. Rashomon essentially has a genre of movie named after it so it is pretty pivotal.
>>64654111
Hundreds and hundreds. Try Akira Kurosawa, the other Kurosawa (who did Pulse and Cure), Ozu.
>>64654111
classic Kurosawa films.
Some horror movies like The Ring, Grudge
Nothing worthwhile nowadays. jap creativity is in its brankrupt stage
>>64654324
>not saying Ran
>>64654111
Seijun Suzuki is the man you need.
Top tier B movies
>>64654111
>excluding chinese cartoons
Why? It's shit even with anime.
>>64654111
But Parpika
yeah but you probably just want hong kong kung fu korean cg wire fight crap
>>64654111
Takeshii kitano and Takeshii Miiko's stuff are pretty good too.
>>64654474
>>64654448
>>64654429
>>64654406
Are they good or Rape Zombies "good"?
>>64654111
Literally the only worth while movies come from Japan.
Only a few directors come close to the works of Ozu and Naruse.
Have you seen Kill Bill Volume 1?
>>64654504
You should be able to tell from the posters.
>>64654111
Naruse, Ozu, Teshigahara, Mizoguchi, Kobayashi, Oshima, and Suzuki.
Don't listen to this IMDb faggot >>64654324
This one either >>64654330
..and this one >>64654345
>>64654445
>>64654475
>>64654556
>>64654546
just fuck off
>>64654590
Not really. There are good B-movies and bad B-movies. Tokyo Gore Police was pretty enjoyable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z1N28hsI4M
>>64654111
tokyo drifter
sonatine
shogun assassin
sword of doom
>>64654605
>popular movies can't be good
Violent Cop
>>64654667
If I wanted to watch undignifying flicks that pander to the West I would just watch some stupid action flick by John Woo.
>>64654605
>hating on not one but two Kurosawas
Why anon, why?
>>64654744
>pander to the West
Retard.
>>64654744
>pander to the west
WEE
A
BOO
>>64654111
Asking about good Japanese movies is like asking about good American movies. They can't all be listed.
>>64654278
>>64654345
Koreeda, Sono, Kurosawa, Nakashima, Yoji Yamada, Shinji Aoyama, Tsukamoto, Naomi Kawase, etc. are still going strong. It's not comparable to golden age Japanese cinema because nothing is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M62rTiEjaA
>>64654111
Used to. But not anymore.
The Japanese Cinema is one of the deadest ones ever.
I wish this board would like Kobayashi more, he doesn't get enough love.
>>64654886
>>64654917
Okay I'll just listen to some retards from IMDb that just watched Seven Samurai last year instead of someone like Oshima.
>>64654977
But anon, /tv/eddit was raised on capeshit and shit wars so they don't have the patience to sit through a Kobayashi film.
>>64654942
What's it like being a pleb?
Kitano
Sono
Miike
All very active within the scene, all very modern, all very entry level.
Ryūichi Hiroki
Nobuhiro Doi
Naomi Kawase
Saying Japanese cinema is dead is one way to invalidate your opinion completely, yes it's no way near their Golden Age, but name a country who is.
You probably don't have acess to these directors, that's all.
>>64655093
Taiwan
>>64655126
Intredasting... what great films have come out of Taiwan lately? I loved Edward Yang's stuff.
>>64655126
>Taiwan
Nice try. The Assassin was shit. Their cinema is derivative of early Japanese works. They are playing catch-up.
>>64654985
>implying that the only people that recommend Kurosawa know little about Japanese cinema
That's silly, anon.
>>64654474
>>64654985
>Oshima.
What would you recommend next for somebody who loved Death by Hanging but didn't particularly care for Boy, The Ceremony or Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence.Don't say suicide.
>>64655168
Everything from Tsai Ming Liang.
>>64655171
Cute. Maybe you should double your dose of Ritalin.
>>64655337
>Cute. Maybe you should double your dose of Ritalin.
Nice ad hom, maybe you could actually refute the point made, that would be nice.
All their movies feel like Naruse, in color.
>>64655171
The critics disagree with you.
>Asian movies winning all kinds of awards
>not a single Japanese one
It's over Japan.
>>64654111
I don´t know.
Why don´t you ask my butt?
>>64655337
Cool. I've seen some older films by him (The River, Vive L'Amour and The Hole), but not his most recent.
>>64655283
The Man Who Left His Will on Film. Honestly that's a tough question because his films grace all types of Japanese genres.
>>64655388
>Taiwan
>the new Nepal.
Come on now, you don't ACTUALLY think the western recognition is because of their movies now, do you?
I have seen countless chinese 80's kung-fu movies which did the exact same thing The Assassin did.
>it's over Japan
It's been over for them since the 70's, doesn't mean they aren't making good movies though.
>>64655369
If you tried acting like an adult you would be treated like one. Ever thought of that?
>>64655515
>did the exact same thing The Assassin did
Did what exactly?
>>64655422
Thanks m8.
>>64655529
>he still hasn't touched the point
>still posting ad hom
Just refute the point already. I am waiting.
>>64655543
I am not sure? How about the themes about an unwilling assassin, family over duty, the slow long shots. The droning on, the nothing ever happening.
At least chinese movies were fun and not pretentious.
>>64655556
>off by one
cucked
>>64655555
Rashomon.
>>64655584
Numbers happen, do you understand what a get is?
Fucking new fags. This sage is for you.
>mfw Midori
>>64655576
The themes are irrelevant. Show me a movie that looks similar to The Assassin.
>ctrl+f: Tetsuo
>0 results
faggots
>>64655556
Yeah I'm not going to go in circles with some child that calls this a valid argument:
>Nice try. The Assassin was shit. Their cinema is derivative of early Japanese works. They are playing catch-up.
>>64655655
Sorry, we're discussing film.
>>64655629
>The themes are irrelevant. Show me a movie that looks similar to The Assassin.
>literally professing style over substance
Come now. I thought you actually had a worthy opinion.
>Curse of the Golden Flower
>House of Flying Daggers
>Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon
They are kind of recent though, as you actually wanted style.
>>64655704
I thought we were discussing kinéma.
>>64655735
So you haven't seen The Assassin?
>>64655662
That's literally a valid argument. It's most certainly not being childish.
>saying you have a point but won't make it.
That's a fallacy.
>>64655735
>Curse of the Golden Flower
>House of Flying Daggers
>Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon
Only the last of those is good, though.
>>64655771
What are you even trying to do?
>>64655817
>Only the last of those is good, though.
All better than The Assassin.
All have an emphasis on style while still managing more substance than The Assassin delivered.
>>64655822
I'm trying to say that The Assassin is nothing like the films you mentioned.
And by the way, you listed films made in Taiwan and China, so this
>Their cinema is derivative of early Japanese works. They are playing catch-up.
doesn't make much sense.
>>64655171
Okay which early Japanese film is Vive l'amour a derivative of?
Confessions
>>64655878
I am still confused as to what you are doing? Han actors = Taiwanese work? Okay? Ang Lee is also American. Doesn't make it an American piece of work.
>doesn't make much sense.
These are chinese movies made in the early 2000's, they are culturally specific to China. Obviously you don't expect The Assassin to be the whole of Taiwanese cinema do you? Is The Assassin the only movie you have seen to come from Taiwan or something?
This and that argument aren't even similar, I thought you and I were talking about chinese kung-fu movies?
If you want to talk about how their cinema isn't like that of early Japanese works bring up some other directors.
>>64655966
>Vive l'amour
>>64656111
Just make sure to get a good subtitled rip. There are some shoddy jobs out there.
>>64656050
I think you're confusing me with someone. I'm saying that Chinese (Taiwan and mainland China) films are not like Japanese films, and nowadays are in fact better than modern Japanese films.
Assassin isn't even a kung-fu movie.
>>64655093
What some people like the Midnight Eye crew and Mark Schilling have said is that Japanese mainstream cinema has turned into safe, cookie cutter movies literally designed by committee, and on the other side of the spectrum there's shoestring budget indie movies. And there's too little stuff that doesn't fall into either category, which is the problem.
I don't really know since I haven't kept up with live action movies in years.
>>64656183
So yes, The Assassin is the only movie from Taiwan you have seen.
I bought up Chinese Kung-Fu movies because that is as about as deep as The Assassin is.
Style over substance is a fallacy. You literally said "The themes are irrelevent".
Sorry Japan. Maybe the next year will be better.
>japanese cinema is dead
literally what
there has been a pretty big naturalist ozu revival these recent years, lots of great movies if you're not a fucking pleb
>>64656169
>subtitled
>not already knowing the glorious Japanese language
>>64656260
>deep
So you watch movies for "deep" themes? lol
>Style over substance is a fallacy
Of course it is. Why do you think all the critics praised Under the Skin? Film is a medium that uses images and audio to make us feel something. Themes and plot are very often irrelevant.
>>64656259
Mainstream cinema is always bad.
Look at mainstream American cinema.
Once the people in charge realized how much they could capitilize on movies, in most nations, movies went to shit. It's a problem all movies face nowadays, I hate to be that guy, but look at TFA. Safe and cookie cutter.
>>64656314
Holy cow, I am done with you.
>Why do you think all the critics praised Under the Skin?
>caring what critics thinks
What am I doing with my life?
>>64655171
isn't the thread circle jerking to early japanese cinema, and deriding modern japanese cinema? so to be derivative of the best era is to be good. Modern jap crap is terrible, even Miike is stuck making sequels and Kitano has been quoted as saying the japanese industry is in terrible shape.
>>64656318
>I hate to be that guy, but look at TFA
Or you can look at Mad Max. It's not that simple. There are good mainstream films.
>>64656370
>Mad Max
I thought that too, was very safe. In the context of the film at least.
>There are good mainstream films
>There are good mainstream franchises
Fix'd.
>>64656342
>caring what critics thinks
I don't care. But I also don't care what a weeaboo from /tv/ thinks.
Who here excited for Ultraman
https://youtu.be/IjOvth3O2Vs
>inb4 looks like shit
Clear daylight and no shaky cam bullshit
>unanimously applauded film is shit because I say so!
Why would anyone even bother with this retard?
>>64656394
>But I also don't care what a weeaboo from /tv/ thinks.
You spent a lot of time, fruitlessly I might add, defending yourself.
Evidence points to the contrary, pleb.
>>64656391
Mad Max wasn't safe. In fact, it was a very radical film.
>practical effect
>one long action sequence in the era of Nolanesque middlebrow action flicks
>Max as the secondary character
>>64656395
I love the ultraman grunts, hype as fuck
>>64656428
>defending
Where? Right now you're defending your Japanese fetish.
>>64656395
why is japanese CG so shit?
>>64656318
This is what Midnight Eye said:
http://www.midnighteye.com/features/reflections-in-a-midnight-eye/
>The situation today is much less dynamic. Filmmaking in Japan has largely polarised, with very high budgets (by Japanese standards, i.e. US$ 10 million or a multiple of it) on the one extreme and no-budget indie (or amateur) filmmaking on the other. Films in the former category seek to emulate the Hollywood blockbuster formula and are produced by "film committees": consortia of production partners, the majority being television stations, advertising agencies and talent agencies rather than traditional film production companies. Each partner has a stake and a say in the filmmaking and the result more often than not literally comes across as something made by committee rather than artistic vision. It is a type of filmmaking that takes no chances: all the stories are based on hit properties (TV series, manga, novels) and the lead actors are pop musicians or TV talento, while the important share of media companies in the production committees is resulting in self-censorship and/or conservative political stances in line with the policies of Shinzo Abe’s government.
>They [indie directors] can't go professional either, because there is simply no room for them in the industry: since the collapse of the video and DVD market medium-budget productions have to all intents and purposes vanished, while the production committees of the high-budget films prefer to hire someone of whom they can be sure, which means either a TV director familiar to the network that has a stake in the production or an experienced hand like Takashi Miike or Yukihiko Tsutsumi who already has a track record making hits.
>>64654757
because he is a contrarian faggot, like most of /tv/ Kurosawa is recognized as a great by most people, so obviously he sucks.
>>64656431
>>practical effect
Did you miss The Hobbit CGI backlash? Making a movie using practical effects isn't a risk at all, so long as production costs are within margins..
>>one long action sequence in the era of Nolanesque middlebrow action flicks
What? Oldboy, a movie famous, for a long shot was re-done in America 2013, Daredevil had a long take. Long takes aren't a risk, what?
>>Max as the secondary character
I was under the impression max was always a secondary character.
>>64656395
Kaiju shit is boring and childish. I don't understand why so many people love Godzilla and similar garbage.
>>64656471
Nearly all CG is shit, that's why they hide the shit effects in dark backgrouds and shaky cam.
>>64656395
Ultraman, Godzilla and Jaegers teamup when?
>>64656511
Sorry but I've seen CG much better than that. That shit is like 2003 hollywood bad CG. Stop defending it.
>>64656502
>isn't a risk at all
And yet, other blockbusters don't do this. At least not when it comes to stunts.
>long take
What long take? What are you even talking about?
>I was under the impression max was always a secondary character
Well, you were wrong.
>>64656538
kek
>>64656538
>Muh better cgi in hollywood that's actually worse but looks okay because shaky cam and no light
>>64656487
How is that any different than American movies, except there are more 'mainstream' directors?
Do you actually think studios hand over hundreds of millions of dollars and just say "K, go!"?
While yes, I can't really, myself commentate on the actual state of the Japanese movie industry as I dont live or work there. I can say how ever they are still making worthwhile movies.
Pic related is a late 2014 release. I know there is a lot of anim shit, there is still a lot of good though. I really don't see any of what they are afraid of in that quote in this movie either, when I think about it.
>>64656538
Prove it
>>64656583
>>64656616
Avatar was like 90% CGI and looked better than that. Almost no shaky cam and mostly in light.
Get fucked, weebs.
>>64656511
Japanese CG is shittier because they have 0 concept of pre-production.
Shit like this is made by Companies who want to release B-Movies quick and fast.
>people defending shitty Japanese CGI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUOr36X6qJc
>>64655093
>But name a country who is
Asian Cinema nowadays is dominated by South Korea and some rare hit from Taiwan.
>>64656583
why are weebs so delusional?
>>64656548
>And yet, other blockbusters don't do this. At least not when it comes to stunts.
Because that's a choice the director makes?
>>64656548
>What long take? What are you even talking about?
Oh you mean the fact that it 'doesn't stop', I miss read your post. My bad. This is literally the only 'risk' they took. Doesn't make it a very radical film.
>Well, you were wrong.
You haven't seen them, have you? Max is always more of a side character, than the actual protagonist.
>>64656670
When was the last time SK made anything worthwhile?
>>64656682
>Max is always
Not always. The first film is about him.
>>64656635
>Comparing a teaser trailer to a 237 million dollar budget movie
>>64656712
Apparently this year.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/right_now_wrong_then_2015/
>>64656744
How about this:
Show me an example of good Japanese CGI. Any. I'll wait.
>>64654111
Alot! Korea has the most and best films from asian countries..
>>64656744
jap cg is the same level as syfy cg,happy weeb?
>>64656746
>this year
>2015Had to.
I will check it out though. Even though it looks like shit.
>>64656773
Ikr Old Boy is like TOTES the great film of all time huh!!!
>>64656796
A lot of movies which are heavily focused on CGI have Japanese, or at least Asian CGI artists.
>>64656767
Since was this a japanese vs american cgi anyway, you just blurt out that Ultraman trailer looks worse than cg from hollywood movies in 2003, and yet to present some evidence for it
>>64656848
God you fucking insufferable weeb. It's terrible CG. End of story. That's why the trailer is almost 50% dislikes. People don't want 2003 hollywood CG.
>>64656843
and?
>>64656890
CGI is done by japs, therefore japs do good CGI.
There is simply more money in American movies.
Think of it like this. American companies pay japs, not americans to do their work, because they do it better.
It's called outsourcing.
>>64656873
This is what he'll say next
>But dude FALLACIES bro!! I'm totally winning this argument!
>>64654111
Only Ozu.
Kurosawa is worse version of Leone.
Japan is made of dead inside people
>>64656873
>God you fucking insufferable weeb. It's terrible CG
Nice, can't come up with evidence so we go to namecalling, and you keep blurting out 2003 hollywood cg without any evidence
>Lee Chang-dong hasn't done anything in over 5 years
>>64656873
>>64656950
Hello samefag, this is what you will do next
>A shoddy ms paint edit where you edit out the (you) from one of the posts
>>64656925
I'm sure you have tons of proof for this.
>>64656989
stay mad weeb
>>64656471
Maybe studios just don't care, and will settle for "good enough." I'm sure they could produce much better work than this if they really wanted to.
I don't know why this one guy is defending Japanese 3DCG so much. Because it really is shit. But saying that doesn't invalidate the whole movie industry or all Japanese creative industries. It's just something they don't do well. They do other things better.
>>64656605
I think Hollywood does take more chances.
And the criticism isn't that no good mainstream movies are being made anymore, but that conditions have generally deteriorated.
>>64656969
He actually did it! Hahaha
>>64656969
eight legged freaks comes to mind tbqh
Why do modern Japanese movies feel like very overt commercials for talent agencies? The movies feel like nothing but vehicles to sell me a soundtrack that's probably done by the star of the movie, or whatever. There's no art. Capeshit and bollywood feel tame compared to these movies. What is wrong with Japan?
>>64657023
Objectively false
>>64657002
Just pay attention to the credits. Most CGI teams have Japs in them.
>>64657070
You gonna provide any evidence or just pretend like everything you say is right?
>>64657100
You go ahead and present yours, so far I only gotten a titledrop of a movie
>shitty movies
>shitty anime
>shitty games
>shitty books
Is Japan dead?
>>64657057
Well that Midnight Eye article I linked to earlier talks about that. They are literally designed by a committee that wants to sell stuff other than the movie. TV dramas have had similar problems. Still, good movies and dramas can be made even under these circumstances. But they aren't good circumstances.
Good thing I decided not to go in circles about The Assassin with Captain Autism over here. Is everyone on /jp/ this delusional?
>>64657178
>their mainstream cinema is bad, therefore all their creative industries are bad
No anon you are the demons.
>>64657193
>I gotta shitpost but I can't take an argument, somebody help me. All japs are stupid amirite?
>>64657218
I don't know about books and games, but their movies and anime are pretty bad nowadays.
>>64657082
having japs on them isnt the same as a full jap team from japan.
>>64657265
No.
Of course, Japan has an extremely rich film tradition. Yasujiro Ozu might be the greatest director to have ever lived.
>>64657271
>having japs on them isnt the same as a full jap team from japan.
No, but it is certainly enough to say that the Japanese are not shit at CGI. Murica simply buys them.
>>64657265
Maybe if it was 1965
>>64657265
Swap china and Korea.
>>64657304
There are a lot of indians on them too.Your point is meaningless.
9 Souls
Blue Spring
Mind Game (technically a chinese cartoon but it has none of the anime bullshit you propably dislike)
The first two are among my favorite movies.
>>64657331
Not at all. There are a billion Indians after all.
>>64657302
Where should someone who hasn't watched any of his films start?
>>64657372
And millions of gooks yet there are probably only a handful that are decent artist and only a handful that are decent VFX artist :^)
>meanwhile in the media capital of the world....
>>64657248
Modern anime seems bad to most people because in the past they only saw a tiny sliver of anime that was carefully picked and localized for them by TV networks. Now all anime is trivially available as soon as it airs in Japan, the amount of TV anime being produced has increased tremendously since the 90s, and everyone is on the web so information travels easily. So now people are coming into contact with ALL anime, not just the couple that American TV networks deemed worthy. A lot of this anime is simply not compatible with Western preferences, whether or not it's good.
Then there's the problem that most people just sit around waiting for someone or something to spoonfeed them anime, so all they know about the state of modern anime is what other people tell them. But those people don't know anything either, and have developed all kinds of misunderstandings and myths that they repeat to each other as fact. Even something as simple as looking at a season chart to find out what's airing is done by very few people.
>>64657438
>>meanwhile in the media capital of the world....
You understand what you are saying right? There is usually a good mix of national's, I.E America doesn't produce CGI artists, they buy them.
You should look up WETA, not Asian, but also, not American.
>>64657438
The Japanese are artistically extremely talented. Live action-tier 3DCG is not one of their strong suits, but there's a bit more to art than that.
>>64657438
Also sharknado is probably the best representation of SHIT american CGI and that is what 100% of nippon CGI looks like.
Harlock/Spirits within is the best they can do.
Yakuza Apocalypse is really dumb but entertaining.
>>64657526
Is this supposed to be impressive? There are maybe two or three scrrenshots here that don't look like childish garbage with bland artstyle.
>>64657191
Wow, I didn't know Midnight Eye shuttered. I have a couple books from their guys and they definitely fostered my interest in Japanese cinema early on. I don't know a lot about the current movie landscape in Japan and that brief article doesn't really elaborate on how it got to this place. I noticed the same shit with regards to dramas (though that's a much easier pill to swallow than their filmmaking fall from grace) and comedy, and I'm guessing it extends to other mediums as well. I'm assuming there's something very systemic here so can you or some educated weeb give me reading materials
>>646545564U
>>64654111
Vengeance is mine was pretty good, try that one
>>64657630
No.
>>64657639
You're just the 98745851th guy to have made this joke, congratulations !
>>64657643
Yes.
>>64657674
I'm replying to your question, dumbshit.
>>64654111
>>64656395
>>64656616
The fucking Matrix has better CG than this and that was in 99
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNK2CrhADo0
And yes obviosuly CG is better for dark scenes, which is why this scene aged pretty well.
>>64657630
I originally compiled it as a counter-point to the many, many people who are convinced that there is almost no anime being made today that isn't of the moe and harem variety. Of course that isn't true.
Almost all the shows on that list are late night anime, i.e. they air late at night, i.e. they are not made with children in mind. "Bland artstyle" is a completely meaningless criticism.
>>64657637
I don't know either. I haven't kept up with Japanese cinema in years and I was never particularly knowledgeable about the industry.
Here's the pasta. This isn't every film but rather a list that will give you a sense of Japanese cinema's progression.
I was Born, but... - Ozu Yasujiro (1932)
The Story of the Last Chrysanthemums - Mizoguchi Kenji (1936)
Army - Kinoshita Keisuke (1944)
Late Spring - Ozu Yasujiro (1949)
Rashamon - Kurosawa Akira (1950)
Sansho The Bailiff - Mizoguchi Kenji (1954)
Crazed Fruit - Nakahira Ko (1956)
Black River - Kobayashi Masaki (1956)
The Ballad of Narayama - Kinoshita Keisuke (1958)
The Warped Ones - Kurahara Koreyoshi (1960)
Cruel Story of Youth - Oshima Nagisa (1960)
Yojimbo - Kurosawa Akira (1961)
Harakiri - Kobayashi Masaki (1962)
Youth of the Beast - Suzuki Seijun (1963)
Pale Flower - Sinoda Masahiro (1964)
Woman in the Dunes - Teshigahara Hiroshi (1964)
Branded to Kill - Suzuki Seijun
Profound Desire of the Gods - Imamura Shohei (1968)
Death By Hanging - Oshima Nagisa (1968)
Heroic Purgatory - Yoshida Yoshishige (1970)
The Ceremony - Oshima Nagisa (1971)
Coup D'etat - Yoshida Yoshishige (1973)
Empire of Passion - Oshima Nagisa (1978)
Vengeance is Mine - Imamura Shohei (1979)
Ballad of Narayama - Imamura Shohei (1983)
Ran - Kurosawa Akira (1985)
Madadayo - Kurosawa Akira (1993)
Sonatine - Kitano Takeshi (1993)
>>64657541
>Rythyms and Hues-Founder is indian,has one east asian and 4 whites
If you want to Talk about weta or avatars VFX just look at this list of the thousand of people that helped make avatars VFX and you will notice 3/4ths of them are white.
>>>/a/
go now.
>>64657751
>The fucking Matrix has better CG than this and that was in 99
Such a blatant lie that it becomes laughable
>>64657755
>they are not made with children in mind
Well, they look like garbage for kids.
>>64657790
>h-hes wrong
pls.Japan doesnt see anything that you can not jerk off too or molest as a worthwhile investment i guess.
>mfw even our holograms look better
>>64657805
You are just prejudiced against animation because you've been conditioned to think that it has to be for children, because that's how it's been developed in America.
>>64657788
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0499549/fullcredits/visual_effects?ref_=m_ttfc_19 *
you will notice they are either white,indian or bean.
>>64657790
M8 even the retarded Smith clones fight in Reloaded has better CG than most modern Japanese movies.
>all those weebs impressed by mediocre products
You guys are pathetic. There are other countries, you know?
>>64657805
No kid on Earth could enjoy The Perfect Insider.
>>64657805
cultural relativism the post. leave anime alone, b-baka!
>>64657864
feel free to contribute something
>>64657849
I'm not prejudiced against animation. It's not my fault most of it is for kids or manchildren.
>>64657886
hes contributing to the human race by btfo'ing weebs.
>>64657863
Agreed to an extent, doesn't apply to Ultraman though
>>64657891
Have you seen what "most of" American movies are like lately?
>>64657973
way better than japans,thats for fucking sure.
>>64657790
Gonna post proof or nah?
>>64657891
Again, that's just how it's been developed in America. And you're assuming, as a result, that that's what animation is inherently, necessarily like. Which is irrational and untrue. Japan's animation industry is completely different from America's. When shows actually intended for children like Sailor Moon and Pokemon were brought to America they had to be censored because of content considered inappropriate for children. When an anime movie intended for children competed at the Berlin International Film Festival, it shared a Golden Bear with Paul Greengrass' Bloody Sunday.
>>64658006
He never knew what he was talking about to begin with.
>>64658001
Most of them are still for kids and manchildren.
I honestly can't tell if capeshit or moeshit is more juvenile. At least moefags want to fuck the fictional characters more, right?
>>64657780
>jumps from period dramas to new wave to period dramas to new wave
Yeah progression!
>>64658035
>muh censorship of panty shots and big tits on a man
even if animations was traditionally for familys,we still produced stuff like simpsons and mission hill which is better then 75% of animu.
>>64657665
theres only about 2000 regulars on /tv/ so youre lying
>>64658045
>mfw capeshit has more depth then moe
sorry i ever questioned you whedon.
>>64658123
>Simpsons
>Good
Not even nostalgiagoggle season
>>64658046
You really don't understand what you're talking about. The new wave was called the new wave for a reason. It came in a wave in 1960. I have placed in the timeline rashomon and crazed fruit, two of the films most influential on the new wave and honestly it's easy to see how the new wave is a reaction to the stoic classicists.
>>64658172
TOO FAR WEEB
WE FIGHT NOW
I WILL BE AT CABO BOBS IN THE SOUTHSIDE OF AUSTIN AT 11AM
bring your friends so they can laugh at your defeat.
>>64658185
You listed well-known films from Japan in chronological and called it "progression". And honestly it looks more regressive to me.
>>64658229
Nah, we meet at some halfway point, we meet at bams skatepark in iceland
>>64658282
too cold fammy.
>>64658123
The point is, why would they need to censor anything in animation intended for children? And why was an animated movie intended for children considered on par with Bloody Sunday? Even when an anime is intended for children, it's still too much for American children to handle (according to the powers that be), or good enough that it can share a Golden Bear with a serious live action movie. If a late night anime like Yuri Kuma Arashi was shown to American children on TV, the country would declare a national state of emergency before the opening animation finished playing.
The thing with shows like Simpsons is that they're comedies. And that's the only reason why it's ok for adults to watch them. If Simpsons was serious, it would be considered childish to watch it. Because it's animation, and animation can't be taken seriously by adults. Because that's how animation is made in America. So nearly all American animation falls into three categories: children's animation, family animation, and adult comedy (and the children's animation is much more childish than it is in Japan). Anime on the other hand covers the same spectrum as live action cinema and television, and is made in a similar or identical manner.
>>64658259
Look, I'm sure you're have a glorious shitposting Saturday morning and all but let's cut the bullshit and have you just leave this conversation. You don't have any films to add to the list. You don't have an understanding of most of the films on the list and that's fine. You're being contrarian which is fun but ultimately a vapid exercise.
Let me know if you did have anything of value to say though.
>>64658351
>mfw it's sunday morning
>mfw I shitpost into the future
>>64658323
Rick and morty is changing the perception again.
Also stuff like Steven Universe and gravity falls are doing the same thing.
I think it was Disneys fault for causing the perception the older generation had of animation.
And we do all those "groundbreaking" things anime does in our live action shows,so we just went a different directions.
>>64658424
>Rick and morty is changing the perception again
What's up with the blatant ignorant statements, ATHF, Superjail, KotH and many other earlier animated shows did this way earlier.
>>64658351
Uh what? I gave you plenty of suggestions the first time you posted it but you were too uppity about your oh so perfect list that you just ditched the thread. Grow up.
>>64658491
Because its science fiction? What are some other western animation shows that are scifi and aimed at adults?
>>64658424
>>64658491
These shows venture barely or not at all outside the children's cartoon/adult comedy comfort zone that American animation has established.
>>64658615
Superjail? Xavier: Renegade Angel?
>>64658645
So? They still tell a good story,I don't need Nipples and Gore for a story to be good for me.
>>64658645
So they are like anime, which are mostly the equivalent of bad young adult books.
>>64658491
Frylock from ATHF is all about scifi fammy
>>64654605
This. Although I would add Imamura, Yamanaka and obviously Kazuo Hara. Nothing against Takeshi Kitano, Sonatine is pretty good
>>64657526
>Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon
So mature. Oh, and of course robots, super heroes, fantasy, moeshit, make the most of this compilation.
And that's only the first impression. We still don't know if the mature-looking ones are any good.
>>64658687
Old.Notice how i said again?
Also Rick and morty has massive comercial appeal compared to those two.
Archer and Venture brothers do aswell.
Fox is trying to go out of their comfort zone with stuff like Major lazer and Golan too,even comedy central threw their hat into the ring with moob beam city (which has gotten better).
>>64658597
Yeah, your response was that people will get confused if I include Jidaigeki and that I should put when a woman ascends the stairs in. When a woman ascends the stairs is fine to add but you need to understand that people are supposed to do research in addition to watching the films. To understand who the directors are and what the influences are. How kinoshita influenced kobayashi and Ozu influenced Imamura. Placing the films within a historical context is vital. You can't watch any set of movies with the movies alone and understand the sweep of what happened. You can see minor trends and techniques but you'll never see the context surrounding the works if you just watch the movies.
>>64658697
There's lots of anime that's oriented towards late teens and adult audiences but with little or no violent or sexual content. Japanese TV is also pretty strict about sexual and violent content. Nipples can't be shown, and violence is often censored. HBO-tier stuff isn't even possible, but in America it's mass entertainment.
>>64658708
No, they are not like anime. They are nothing like anime. American animation and anime couldn't be more different.
>>64658771
>So mature.
It's just the title, and actually a bad translation because the original name uses "meet" rather than "pick up." That said, it's not "mature" in the pretentious fedoralord sense, but why does it have to be?
>Oh, and of course robots, super heroes, fantasy, moeshit, make the most of this compilation.
What does it matter if something has robots, superheroes or fantasy in it? It doesn't tell us anything about a work. This is just a cop-out.
There's no "moeshit" on the list. The shows were specifically chosen to exclude those types of shows.
>We still don't know if the mature-looking ones are any good.
And you never will since you'll never watch any of them. So why are you even trying to review these shows?
>tfw you get comfy and sit down to watch a japanese period movie, maybe even film, and it turns out to be set in the disgusting heian period
>>64658928
My point earlier was America invested all their shekels into live action tv and now they are investing more money into animation.
>>64654605
Tokyo Sonata was great, you silly cuck.
>>64659229
New to film, huh? Tell me how good Shawshank is please.
>>64658928
>What does it matter if something has robots, superheroes or fantasy in it?
It matters a lot.
>And you never will since you'll never watch any of them.
I doubt I'm missing much.
>>64659130
America, collectively, didn't do any such thing. Just like Japan, collectively, didn't invest in anime (it's also notorious for being low budget, so you can't really say that much money was invested into it).
Americans simply developed the idea that animation is children's entertainment and shouldn't be taken too seriously. To Disney, animation was little more than a mashup of vaudeville and fairytales. The Japanese decided that animation doesn't have to be any different from live action cinema and television, and that it's a form of art that should be taken seriously. The implications of these decisions are easily seen today.
I really don't think American animation is ever going to substantially improve from where it is today. And in most cases "American animation" is something of a misnomer since the actual animation is done in Asia.
>>64659321
>It matters a lot.
How?
>I doubt I'm missing much.
If you have such a low amount of investment in the topic, why are you trying to argue about it?
>>64659352
Did you not read my list earlier?
There is plenty of adult orienented animation currently airing in america,Sure it may not be like the dozens of genre bending animu that is produced in japan but it is getting better.
There simply wasn't an audience for anime before because literally any genre or story type can be found and watched by anyone in live action format.
>asia animates most things
This trend will be ending soon with more and more americans going to school for design.
When will this shit stop
>>64659637
Pretty bad but its pretty amusing you could change the channel and see way worse shit on NCIS.
>>64654111
>Chinese cartons excluded
>>64659525
Those shows are comedies, equivalent to comic strips, and that's why it's ok for adults to watch them. It's when you watch something like Serial Experiments Lain and take it seriously that people start shitting on you for being a manchild watching children's cartoons. In some ways American animation is just returning to its roots, because (if I'm not mistaken) early cartoons were played in cinemas and were intended for whoever was watching, which was usually adults.
American animation is also severely lacking in the presentation department. The idea of cinematic animation never caught on there, and production values for TV animation are bottom of the barrel (and still outsourced wholesale to Asia).
>There simply wasn't an audience for anime before because literally any genre or story type can be found and watched by anyone in live action format.
Americans didn't take animation seriously. That's the fundamental reason why it is the way it is. Anime has, for a long time, featured stories that would be trivial to accomplish in live action, even with Japanese budgets. And there are many, many cases where a manga has been adapted as both an anime and a live action show or movie (The Perfect Insider and Parasyte being recent examples).
>This trend will be ending soon with more and more americans going to school for design.
There already was an animation industry in America before. Then there wasn't, because all the work got outsourced (as opposed to being just partially outsourced, like before). Why would anyone hire American animators now?
>>64657526
A ton of those shows were pretty shit or mediocre.
>>64659954
The list is comprised of shows that aren't moe or harem. People keep complaining that no other kind of anime is made anymore. And usually when someone says modern anime is bad, they mean that it's all moe and harem.
>>64660089
>cute girls everywhere
>not moe garbage
>>64659897
>it is the way it is
Changing? It was comedic focused in the past with stuff like Home Movies and The Simpsons and since 2004 it has gradually more science fiction oriented,Even in the Early 2000s we had stuff like clone high,Fuck futurama lasted 9 seasons and Americans loved it.
>There already was an animation industry in America before. Then there wasn't
There has always been a mix in the industry,IIRC Ren and stimpy,Rugrats,Aventure time are all american studios and i'm sure there are plenty more.It seemed like Fox was the main studio that outsorced but i'm sure if i looked up their new shows like Major lazer and Border town i would find they are done by american studios.
>there isnt anything like lain or parasyte
because we have the budget to make them for real? with stuff like mr.robot and the strain and soon we will animate them for fags like you.
>>64660237
In the strict sense, a moe anime is something like K-On, and not just anything with cute girls in it. People usually have something like K-On in mind when they use the term, and then jump to conclusions if they see cute girls anywhere. Euphonium for example is often accused of being a K-On clone... by people who never watched it. It's a youth drama like anything you'd see in Japanese live action movies.
>>64660253
Futurama is a cartoonish adult comedy. This is scifi animation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J65fSHPENJk
>because we have the budget to make them for real?
There is a live action adaptation of Parasyte. A live action version of Lain wouldn't be particularly expensive. There are live actions adaptations of tons of manga that also have anime adaptations, and there are also a few live action adaptations of anime. It's quite typical of Americans (or Westerners) to think that animation is merely a substitute for live action, and if live action is possible then animation is not needed. That's not how the Japanese see it.
>with stuff like mr.robot and the strain and soon we will animate them for fags like you.
That would require taking animation seriously and thinking of it in a cinematic way. I don't see Americans ever doing that.
Japanese culture is a quality cul-de-sac
There is a reason no-one outside Japan watches Japanese TV and not just because of language.
They don't make ONE good TV show.
Their generally racist, isolationist society has led to them being virtually exiled from the rest of the world and their 'culture' has stagnated, reduced itself to tacky memes and even tackier consumerism.
If Japan fell into the sea, in what way would that affect the lives of the majority of the rest of the world?
They contribute nothing and continue spewing out the same crap. A society which is practically a metaphor for extreme autism.
Did anyone say Battle Royale yet?
Greatest movie ever made.
>>64660594
>live action animu
So firstly you proved my point,they could gain a wider audience with live action versions of said shows otherwise they wouldn't have gotten made in the first place.
Secondly we have made SHIT like those animu movies and they were just as terrible but looked better then anything japan has done because of higher budgets,The last airbender for example.
>>64660795
You take the first three lines out and you shallow generalizations would be just as valid for Americans. There's a handful of good shows in a sea of garbage.
>>64660910
God, you are stupid. Just because there's a audience for it doesn't mean it's more successful, his talk about ramification doesn't prove your point. Most live action adaptations don't get anywhere near the same level of success of their animated counterparts.
>>64660795
There are many good Japanese TV dramas, but they can't really compete against American/British shows internationally. Japan hasn't even tried to do so, and it's only very recently that some dramas have become available for streaming on Crunchyroll. Anime of course is an entirely different story.
>Their generally racist, isolationist society has led to them being virtually exiled from the rest of the world and their 'culture' has stagnated, reduced itself to tacky memes and even tackier consumerism.
This is a meme. Maybe you should stop taking everything you read on the Internet as gospel.
>If Japan fell into the sea, in what way would that affect the lives of the majority of the rest of the world?
Anime, manga and Japanese games have a significant international presence.
>They contribute nothing and continue spewing out the same crap.
Isn't it strange how nobody EVER says this about, say, American legal and police dramas? No, it's only ever Japan that does anything repetitive or unoriginal (even when it doesn't).
>>64660910
TV dramas have more viewers, but I don't know if they make more money. Anime still gets made regardless. Even if a live action adaptation already exists or even if there are no practical production reasons why it has to be animated. Animation is not a substitute for live action in Japan.
>Secondly we have made SHIT like those animu movies and they were just as terrible but looked better then anything japan has done because of higher budgets,The last airbender for example.
I'm not sure what any of this is supposed to mean.
>>64661114
Because they don't translate well to film and some manga doesnt translate well to anime.Taste is subjective,More news @ 11
>just because there is an audience for it doesn't mean they are more successful
Yes,Yes it does.That is why america will always have better media because of the sheer quantity and diversity of it.
All your "unique" animus have dozens of knock off versions of it whereas americans would get pissed of at that.
>>64655968
Only correct answer in this thread. Aside from this, All About My Lily ChouChou and Memories of Matsuko
>>64661248
>I'm not sure what any of this is supposed to mean.
that even america has made live action "anime" and your original point was america doesnt go out of its comfort zone.
>>64661477
American TV is awash in medical, legal and police dramas. Cinema is being buried under an avalanche of superhero movies. Anime is in fact more varied and unique than live action TV, partially because it can do things live action can't and partially because it's so eccentric. With cinema it's a different story because, well, it's competing against all of the world's cinema. But even then it does things that you rarely or never see in cinema.
>>64661523
But it's live action. What does it have to do with anything?
>>64661677
>American tv is wash with medical and police dramas
What are you even doing on this board? You have no idea what you are talking about.
Goodbye weeb and please stop lurking;I fear what will opinions you would have if you actually did start watching our media.
>>64661800
what opinions***
>>64661800
Yes, there are medical, legal and police dramas on American TV. And general drama shows. And reality TV. And sitcoms. It's not just Game of Thrones and Walking Dead all day every day. But I guess people like to judge American TV by its best and most unique shows and judge anime by its worst and most repetitive shows, or what they think are the worst and most repetitive shows.
"The don't make ONE good TV show"
"You can say that about America"
Angry knee jerk reaction of a brainwashed imbecile.
No-one has named a good Japanese TV show yet.
>>64661114
There are NO good Japanese TV dramas, is the point.
There will be some that Japanese viewers think are good, of course, but that is irrelevant.
