so he basically ruined everything right?
>this kid will bring balance to the force we need him
>no, hes too old and you already have a padawan
>fuck you ill train him anyway, hes the jedi we all waited for
so because of him anakin literally fucks up everything because hes a selfish idiot
even like 50 years later and after his death the force isnt "balanced" and theres still war
how many billions of people would have been saved if anakin just had mace windu killed palpatine? probably none of the three deathstars would have been built
and all that thanks to mr jinn who dies like a bitch
Obi-Wan trained him.
>>64635831
apology for poor english
>>64635831
>even like 50 years later and after his death the force isnt "balanced" and theres still war
>Implying TFA is canon
Under that point of view, Anakin did nothing wrong because the empire was needed and the jedis were outdated
Why did Watto want a young boy slave?
*waggles eyebrows*
In the only real and original Star Wars saga (1-6) Anakin destroying the Sith felt like an inevitability, almost like he was destined to do it at some point. Like when he failed to do so as a Jedi, he succeeded as a Sith later. I think that if Qui Gon had not found him, someone else eventually would have
>>64635831
Jedi were in control, with all but extinct…boy will bring balance to the force
What do you think balance is?
No, its the fact that Obi Wan failed to train Anakin properly
Qui Gon has the imposing stern dad presence.
>>64636066
Sith all but extinct…stupid phone
>>64635972
He even has a jewish hat.
Even if ANAKIN never left tattooine, palpatine would have still succeeded in his plot and killed all the Jedi.
It would just mean that ANAKIN never ended up killing palpatine twenty years later, and that Luke and Leia would never exist
From my point of view, the prequels and TFA are not cannon.
>>64635831
Its a damn shame the prequels were so shit. They had a lot of potential. I'm just glad JJ is putting things back on the right track with TFA.
>>64636112
This. It wasn't Anakin who destroyed the Jedi, it was Sheev. Anakin just killed some younglings in the temple and then killed the separatist leaders, nothing a Clone squad wouldn't be able to do
>>64635831
prequels arent canon, autists
>>64636107
>ww1 hat
>jewish
>>64636066
Yup.
There were like, how many Jedi? An entire council and a handful in training.
How many Sith? 4 or so?
Anakin did bring balance to the Force. He was destined to destroy the Sith: Maul, Dooku, and Palpatine. Obi-Wan upset the order of things when he killed Maul, so Anakin had to kill him eventually to complete his destiny and restore the Force.
>>64636066
again with this. The Light Side of the force is brought up exactly ZERO times in the original six. ZERO. Because there is NO light side. There is the force, and The Dark Side, which is a perversion of the force. Balance is The Force being restored back to it's natural state.
>>64636112
You didn't account for the fact that Mace Windu would have killed Palpatine before any of that nonsense happened if Anakin didn't stop him.
Of course you could argue if Anakinwas never in the picture the whole universe would have turned out differently because butterfly effect , and all.
>pointless discussion is pointless
Carry on /tv
>>64636239
looks more like
>>64636334
This so much. Where the fuck did this Light side of the Force bullshit even come from, it's literally never mentioned
They needed Vader to throw Sidious down the well at the end of Return of the Jedi.
The new threat is basically non-Sith based.
>>64636239
>Cheapest and crappiest WWI helmet from the kikes of the European continent, the "Eternal Anglos"
>Not jewish
>>64636334
I'm pretty sure the light side is mentioned on Dagobah in ESB
>>64636207
Prequels are the best. I feel like star wars episode 4-5-6 are prequels to 3 new episodes of better cinema.
Also.
Technically Lucas' involvement in writing it makes it cannon.
Also.
Obsessing over a personal, non-technical, interpretation of what is cannon is autist behavior.
>>64635831
>implying he didn't see the hypocrisy of the jedi order and intended for anakin to destroy them
>>64635831
No, he actually listened to the Force instead of being blinded by the arrogant straight laced Jedi. Not his fault the Force decided it had enough of the Jedi and had them butchered to help bring about balance, only to do the same later with the Sith.
>>64636426
KOTOR
>>64636339
Mace never would have fought Palpy without Anakin telling him he was a Sith
>>64635831
Palpatine would have infiltrated the government, orchestrated galactic war, and pulled the strings of both sides in order to become emperor regardless of Anakin.
>>64636623
it isnt just kotor people just assumed.
does it really matter if the "not dark side" has a label.
>>64636638
IIRC there is a scene where Mace and some other jedi masters are discussing Sheev, they're worried about how much power he has acquired and that they'll need to force him to step down if he won't willingly surrender his power after the clones war are done. So really he was already on their radar and the jedi would have come for him eventually
>>64635831
The Jedi dominated the Republic.
So ironically, by murdering almost every jedi and reducing force practitioners down to a handful of sith and a handful of jedi, he really did balance the sides of the force.
Killing the Emperor made no difference. He fulfilled the prophecy at the Jedi Temple.
>>64636685
Yes, because if you interpret it as Light Side - Dark Side then balance means both sides being equally strong and Anakin's prophecy makes no sense. If you interpret it as the Force and the aberration that is the Dark side (the correct way), balance would be achieved by destroying the Dark side which is what Anakin did
>>64636334
Lucas makes it a bit more complicated in TCW (inb4 not canon, Lucas made it)
There's a planet with the Father who symbolizes the Force, the Son who symbolizes the Dark Side, and the Daughter who symbolizes the Light Side. The Son tried to overthrow his Father while the Daughter tried to protect him, then Anakin the chosen one shows up to restore the balance and in the end they all die.
>>64636757
>So ironically, by murdering almost every jedi and reducing force practitioners down to a handful of sith and a handful of jedi, he really did balance the sides of the force.
That wasn't Anakin, that was Sheev and the Clones. Anakin did not kill any Jedi
>>64636334
never said light and dark.....jedi and sith are two opposing forces, both utilizing the force (equal and opposite sides) this would mean it would not be balanced if one existed in dominion over the other. So yes balance to the force would be brought about by both forces existing in continual conflict.
"balance" will never be achieved
>>64636873
if they called it dark side and autistic force side would you feel better?
>>64636915
>Anakin did not kill any Jedi
Except for like fifty child padawans.
>>64636873
But Anakin betrayed and helped destroy both the Jedi and the Sith
>>64636948
I literally gave you a perfectly logical reason how the two are different. It's not about being autistic, it's about being too dumb to comprehend simple logic
>>64636988
all you said was because they used the word side it means its like taking sides.
>>64636970
padawans <> jedi
Even Pandabear knows this. Somebody calls Anakin a jedi and she corrects them.
>>64637017
it's almost like using different words makes things take on different meanings
>>64636915
>>64637064
I think it can be safe to assume he also killed jedi
>>64636970
Padawans aren't Jedi, especially the 5 year olds
>>64636984
He killed dozens of jedi, and one or two sith.
The postwar situation is pretty balanced and even in terms of numbers. Prophecy fulfilled. Big whoop.
Honestly, the prophecy should never have been written.
It doesn't make any sense for Darth Vader, who is equal in rank to Tarkin and gets sassed by his subordinate officers, to be some kind of Dark Jesus figure. He isn't even second in command, he just seems to be a favourite of the Emperor because of his force abilities and competence. The prophecy was just an excuse to force more drama into the prequel trilogy.
>>64636915
> Anakin did not kill any Jedi
>MASTAH SKYWALKER THERES TOO MANY
also they watch him murder jedi on a security camera in this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cQjqv3iwwM
(1.40 to be exact)
>>64637111
just call it dark side and fedora not side.
>tfw you realize that the Jedi Council, the Republic, and Sheev all had to be taken and destroyed, like so much garbage...
>>64636908
Lucas also introduced the Living Force and the Cosmic Force, how does it all fit with the wider mythology?
actually, Anakin Skywalker DID bring balance to the force, just in a very round about fucked up way. Upon becoming Palpatine's apprentice, he kills all jedi at the jedi temple with the exception of Obi Wan and Yoda, thus balancing both sides of light and dark. 2 Jedi / 2 Sith. THEN upon the birth of Luke and Leia, the force had become unbalanced again. The now Darth Vader couldn't have not realized the shift in the force, though bides his time. Then he killed Obi Wan, thus balancing the force again. Yoda finally kicks it from (OBSCENELY) old age, leaving Luke as the only Jedi left leaving the force unbalanced again. In the final face off on the death star 2.0, Darth Vader / Anakin(?) realizes the only way to re-balance the force is to kill the emperor along with himself, leaving Luke as the last sole Force user as a "Grey" Jedi (Neither Light or Dark which is why Luke is capable of using darkside powers displayed earlier in RotJ, but practices restraint when he refuses to kill his father! BOOM! SCIENCE BITCHES!!
>>64637189
5 year old padawans aren't Jedi
>>64637187
Not that other anon but I always assumed Vadar had complete authority on almost all matters and a rank outside of the military as the emporers hand. He basically showed up and choked you until you did your job better
In TFA Kylo has a monologue with Vaders mask where he admits that the "light" is calling him
Explain?
>>64637278
aren't they? Regardless we still see him kill another couple of jedi in the scene I posted
>>64637314
TFA IS NOT CANON REEEEEEEEE
>>64637314
>Explain?
TFA is an awful movie that shits on everything that happened it the OT
>>64635831
This kid balances the force, all the council members look around at the fuck load of jedi in power, nah we are alright there is only a couple of dark side users knocking about.
Yeah we need balance guys how could this go wrong. Qui Gon was a fucking mug.
>>64637270
>google this
>it's not pasta
reddit pls go
>>64635831
Obi-Wan trained him and the council agreed to it. So no Qui-gon did nothing wrong. Pay better attention next time.
>>64636123
Topkek
Anakin wasn't the chosen one.
It was Luke, he brought balance to the force, he fought Vader with anger and compassion he was neither light side or dark side.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A
>rule of two
>dumb irishman tries to make it a threesome
fuuuuuuck i never realised before. what a tit
>>64635831
it was windu who putted anakin in a extreme position
>>64635926
>>Implying TFA is canon
can we officially make this a meme please?
>>64637270
That it literally the most reddit thing ever, and that's coming from someone who finds it annoying when people call others reddit for having different opinions.
>>64637767
>meme
>implying it's not 100% correct
>>64635831
He died before he could slap anakin into shape. And obi wan trained him. If you want to get really technical, you could say its the mother's fault for being a crappy single mother.
>impregnated by the force
top kek
In fact, the entire story is about crappy parents
>anakin not having a father, poor and incapable mother
>luke having no parents, only guardians
>rey, no parents, abandoned and remembers it
>kylo ren, shitty father and selfish mother, kills his father
There are a lot of people with psychological disorders in the movie
>>64637790
>implying memes can't be true
>>64637872
You can say all the jedi are orphans too. They are literally trained without parents EVER from little toddler age.
The sith are the same thing.
Dont forget that anakin killed his lover then slayed a ton of people to revive her through magic force powers. Probably in some sick fantasy to revive his mother. But fails at both.
>palpatine murdered his parents and siblings
go figure
Leia also was abandonned and put into the care of some narcissistic politician and his no doubt horrible wife.
Guess what Leia is now
>warmongering general LEIA
Not general or admiral of the resistance
General 'me me me' LEIA
Starwars a nightmare of poorly upbringed mentally damaged assholes playing space opera with thousands of lives
If he hadn't pushed the Jedi to train Anakin then Sheev would have just scooped him up to train him from the get-go and then Vader would obliterate the Jedi
>>64635831
>Windu kills Sheev
What happens next? What proof other than Anakin's word do they have that Sheev was a Sith Lord?
What happens to the clones? Does the Republic declare war on the Jedi? Do the Clones follow the Jedi's lead?
Does Windu go to jail?
>>64635972
>implying he wasn't banging Schmi
Immaculate conception my ass
>>64638326
The separatist leaders were still alive at this point, and I'm sure there's plenty of evidence in Sheev's computers to incriminate him
>>64635831
The Sith would have won regardless of Anakin.
He was literally pointless.
>>64637293
This is why he is addressed as lord Vader and not general Vader he is outside and above all ranking systems.
>>64635831
Really it was all mace windu's fault.
>>64636729
So they'd be committing actual treason. Which they'd fail at.
>>64642095
That'd be like blaming your parents because you're a faggot
>>64636112
Anakin was the chosen one, so if neither the Jedi or Sith found him there's still a chance he could play Luke's role in the original trilogy he would just be older and more powerful
>>64637187
>who is equal in rank to Tarkin
The fuck did you smoke? since when is Grand Moff the same rank as Supreme Commander?
>>64635831
Qui-gon was right about Anak in balancing the force.
He and Obi Wan were just wrong about how.
The force really was out of balance. The Jedi were overwhelmingly dominant, the Sith were but a handful.
Anakin brought this into balance by being manipulated by Palpatine into sacking the Jedi Temple while Order 66 was being executed.
This brought the force closer to balance with a handful of Sith being put against a handful of surviving Jedi.
The Force again was out of balance once Yoda passed away.. Anakin as Vader again brought it into balance by betraying Palpatine and throwing him into the Death Star's reactor.
This left one Sith and one Jedi. Balance.
>>64637314
>Explain?
Explain what?
>>64635831
The jedis were too dogmatic and they were losing their contact with the force. Anakin destroyed for allowing Luke to create a new jedi order that learned from the mistakes of the past. Lucas always envisioned Star Wars as a father-son tale
Too bad JJ ruined everything with TFA and Luke is a coward failure now, making all the struggle from ep I to VI meaningless
