>you will never meet a woman who likes this film
life sucks, sometimes
>>64634817
women am i right?
it's hard to find men who like this film
>>64635346
just because the film requires critical thought to fully be appreciated, doesnt mean its not worthy of a large following. you could say the same thing about 2001
>>64634817
I fell asleep twice watching it.
I'll give it one last try.
>>64635401
i didn't say it doesn't, i just meant not many people have seen the movie and of those people few have the attention span or inclination to like such a stylized film. personally it's one of my favorites
*smacking lips intensifies*
>>64635446
you have to watch it on acid
>>64635483
*pen tapping intensifies*
>>64634817
My favourite film of the last 10 years.
>>64635401
Its literally style over substance. Grabted that style is absolutely hypnotic and breath taking, but just style
>>64635912
>that style is absolutely hypnotic and breath taking
sounds a lot like substance to me
I like this film.
>>64634817
pretentious garbage, but occasionally nice to look at. 5/10
>>64635951
I guess it depends on how much you value visuals in your movie.
For anyone who didn't understand the film, or found it lacking in substance, this guy lays it out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztaZo-qsrTE
>>64634817
i knew a qt in oregon who liked this film, dunno what you're talking about
I liked it.
>>64634817
>you will never meet a women who likes film
fixed that for you
>>64634817
Correction
>you will never meet a woman that likes you
>>64636266
projection
>>64634817
This movie was pure shit.
>>64636482
Looks like I hit a nerve
>>64635401
>just because the film requires critical thought to fully be appreciated,
It doesn't really. You just have to be able to appreciate a visual narrative.
What I want to know is what the fuck is Panos Cosmatos doing next? He's got this one directors credit, and that's it. I would be really interested in seeing more from him.
Is this the garbage thread?
>>64636045
If you're not watching for the visual language, then you're better off reading a book or watching a play.
>>64634817
reddit the movie
>>64636519
because there are so many women who enjoy esoteric films, right
>>64636808
>You just have to be able to appreciate a visual narrative.
Films are more than the visuals.
>>64634817
cinematograpy was nice and the soundtrack was good but all this movie was (save for the trip scene) was this guy staring at you for 2 hours
>>64637302
Sure, but it's primarily a visual medium. There's a reason there are silent films that are still impressive to this day.
>>64636808
>Beyond the Black Rainbow is so accomplished that it’s easy to expect Cosmatos to step into a larger-budget sci-fi project next time out. But the director seems intent on following his own muse, which for the next film will be heavy metal. “This [movie] was my experimental electronic album,” he says. “The next one I want to do will be more like a Black Sabbath record. It will be a bit more propulsive.”
>>64634817
This movie sucks, all the time.
>>64637441
Shit I don't even want to necessarily see something larger budget. Beyond the black rainbow had a reported budget of a million dollars, which is pretty impressive considering what the average movie budget is, and how bland and visually uninteresting they are.
I don't give a shit what he directs, I just want to see him keep working.
>>64637424
i can appreciate silent films, but they in no way impress me. films like btbr require a sufficient level of critical thought, if at all the same should be applied to all films, but thats my opinion.
>>64637899
>I don't give a shit what he directs, I just want to see him keep working.
this.
>>64637948
>but they in no way impress me.
How can anyone not be impressed by Buster Keaton?
I agree that it's a movie you can definitely apply critical analysis to to really get deep into it (the thematic use of reflections, off the top of my head), but its also an audio and visual feast, and can be enjoyed simply as an "experience."
Unless by critical though you mean being able to shut the fuck up and actually marathon a whole movie - in which case I agree.
>>64638212
the experience is ultimately shaped by what you understand from the film, which can be greater if its fully realized in my opinion.
>>64638291
I get what you're saying. I don't agree 100%, but that might just be my own semantics and autism at work.
>>64634817
Its my wife's favorite film of all time
>>64639271
how is she doing?
>>64635912
They arent mutually exclusive. Style can absolutely be substance. Regardles, the film's subtext sailed over your head
>>64639293
Tied up in the closet eagerly awaiting rapetime
>>64636924
Wot.
Film is a visual medium dingdong. And stop reading picture books.
>>64639271
What does her boyfriend think about it?
I couldn't comprehend what happened to Barry until I actually experienced a bad trip myself. Great movie, worth the bare minimum of research into what the imagery is all about.
>>64634817
The girl in this movie was super cute familia
>that little smile even though you're trapped.
Movie fell apart in the third act. A waste of good material if you ask me familia.
>>64634817
Just find a girl who likes Daft Punk
She'll love it.
>>64640293
man those girls are the best
This films makes me love Canada.
>>64640039
i honestly dont understand what would make a person want to try taking lsd while also in an isolation tank. one or the other is dangerous enough if you're not careful. barry could have just as easily passed out while he was coming up or peaking on the drug, and died.
>>64640125
>The girl in this movie was super cute
yea
>>64634817
>>64634817
My fiance bought the dvd after I mentioned it to her and we both loved it.
A visual treat.
>>64634817
Is this thread movies that /tv/ tricked me into watching?
>>64639324
No not really, and I understand the distinction and how the two weren't mutually exclusive, but I felt in the case of this movie it really is only remembered far more for its visuals than anything else the movie has to offer.
I don't even think fans of the film would disagree with that
>>64640524
>i honestly dont understand what would make a person want to try taking lsd while also in an isolation tank
>>64635912
BtBR is style-over-substance, however, its style actually makes up for the lack of substance, i.e. it wasn't really used to mask its faults but to enhance the intentions.
>>64641163
theres plenty of stuff i remember it for that aren't visuals
>Nyle's crazy sessions with Elana
>the scene where nurse lady dies
>the Sentionauts
>the score
>"DID YOU FUCK HER?"
>everything with Nyle's wife
my friend and I quote this movie all the time
>>64641262
he had a breathing apparatus, its true, but even still, even on just psychedelics myself, i feel my mind slipping. in an isolation tank, who knows what could become of your mind.
>>64636924
I really do love film language and all that, but I need something else to latch onto for me to appreciate a movie as a narrative
>>64641282
Oh sure, and there isn't anything wrong with that, but I would argue that there isn't all that much going on beneath the surface level narrative here.
>>64641282
>>64641445
>BtBR is style-over-substance,
no, it isn't you just dont understand the substance because you dont understand the film... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztaZo-qsrTE
>>64641478
I like how you can't explain it yourself so you post youtube videos.
>>64641163
>this movie it really is only remembered far more for its visuals than anything else the movie has to offer.
The visuals ARE the story though. It's not just arbitrary shots because they look cool (not all of them). There is plenty of subtext happening in the subtleties of the visual narrative.
I always go to the reflections as one of the first things I picked up on. Everyone else in the movie is shown next to a reflection, be it a mirror, the glass divider, polished marble walls, etc. Except Barry. The first time you ever see his reflection is during his transformation.
Or the duality of man. The entire goal of Arborea was to create a transcended being, but it isn't a clean process, and isn't birthed without blood. Elena is the one they think is it, but shes young and afraid. Her entire life has been spent cooped up, being constantly observed, prodded, tested, etc. With little to no knowledge of WHY she is there. Once she is ready Barry becomes her literal antithesis.
Its like the episode "Skin of Evil" in star trek, where there tar monster was all the negative emotions and tendencies of a race that became transhuman. They shed all the bad parts so they could evolve, and it manifested into a powerful and dangerous entity.
That's barry. He's the predator. Elena has been conditioned her whole life to long for freedom from imprisonment. Once she begins to act on these feeling the devil shows up, to basically force her to adapt or be destroyed. A predator/prey relationship where Gazelles are fast to outrun cheetah, and cheetah are fast to outrun gazelles.
Whatever, there's plenty going on in the movie at different levels.
>>64641502
sorry, i cant articulate myself better than the youtuber who posted it. did you even watch it? i understand and appreciate the psychology of the film and its application to everyday life
>>64641478
Jesus this is the third time someone has posted this video in thia thread. I've seen it, its not as if the psychological undertones are necessarily subtle, even if they're not immediately obvious, but that doesn't change the fact the film is more concerned with its presentation than anything else. And thats fine, no one os calling it or you guys dumb for thinking otherwise, no need to feel so insecure.
>>64641332
>even on just psychedelics myself, i feel my mind slipping. in an isolation tank, who knows what could become of your mind.
That's the point my young padawan. Ego death, and seeing what is on the other side.It also lets you talk to dolphins. Just ask Pic related, the late, based Dr. John C. Lilly.
https://youtu.be/x3IUTV5K8Uc
BtBR is an awful film with cool visuals
>inb4 some peasant telling me how it requires 'critical thought' to appreciate it lmao
>>64635446
I've fell asleep 8 times while watching it.
It was amazing. Fucking love it.
>>64641612
have you not learned your lesson or something yet? losing your ego inst necessarily a good thing. its fun to trip out and have a holistic type experience but its not the reaily of realities.
i certainly would not even want to attempt something so dangerous as being in an isolation tank (by itself not so bad), while also not being able to breathe (probably the biggest problem) and being under the influence of something as strong as LSD
If you push yourself too far your mind will break, and youll become like barry, completely insane, psychopathic. i dont like messing around with this stuff, but i enjoyed the film a lot
>>64641654
>some pleb is anti intellectual and cant appreciate truly great cinema because of short attention span
>>64641758
>BtBR
>great cinema
top. fucking. lol.
of course, the only way to defend this trainwreck is ad homining its detractors into oblivion
it's an empty movie
cosmatos has the subtlety of a bricklayer
he would be a huge success in the music video business
Put these cuts together from the intro.
>>64641851
trainwreck what explain about the films ideas or philosophies do yo have such a problem with?
This movie is gorgeous but I swear to god its an audiovisual sleeping pill. I don't know if I've ever finished it without falling asleep.
>>64641904
fucking sound in webm's on /tv/ when
>>64641728
Slow down buckaroo. I'm not necessarily advocating it, you asked why someone would do it, I told you.
Guys like Lilly, mckenna, leary, and the head's they've inspired aren't called psychonauts for nothing.
Some of those people aren't weekend warriors, they were doctors and scientists that were exploring a new frontier. With their explorations they gained experience, and it formed a foundation that unfortunately was never built on because of "reasons" that range from mundane to top tinfoil.
>>64642056
Fucking this. Forget /film/ forget, /cel/ forget, /capeshit/, I just want webm with sound on /tv/.
>>64642081
yeah exactly because they took too much and started believing their own bullshit
>>64642108
There's definitely that feedback loop. But you also can't discount the entire shamanistic heritage of mankind that is built around exactly that sort of mind-trip.
And who knows where research could have gone with it if they hadn't put an across the board ban on the whole thing for decades.
>>64642182
That also fits into the theme of the movie, where Arborea is absolutely a former Leary-type. When you finally meet him he's a casualty of his own excesses, and Barry and Elana are like children that sprang from his mind. As much of his schtick was bullshit, there is still plenty of really weird shit happening in the movie that hints at some kind of truth blindly scraped at.
>>64641904
>>64641056
>>64640577
>>64640125
More webms?
>>64640039
That was more than a bad acid trip man. a drop of liquid LSD will melt your brain
>>64642081
That kind of doctor was what the movie was advocating against, albeit in an exaggerated way. See >>64642081
Honestly I really hated that scene where she runs into the straigh-jacket zombie, ruined the atmosphere. A shame because the very next scene was probably the best in the movie.
>>64644191
Ugh meant to point to >>64642108
I swear its not the acid im on rn
rate my gf she likes this movie
>>64643554
I'll probaby make some more lster. Just ate a ton of food and i tieed as fuck.
>>64635446
fell asleep 5 minutes in, woke up the next morning
10/10 experience senpai
>>64644237
She Iranian?
>>64644356
Iranian people are brown
>>64644498
olive to brown
>>64644237
looks like a good fuck/suck
losers doing drugs
lol junkies
>>64645862
You are now aware that Twin Peaks exists in the same universe as The Men Who Stare At Goats.
bump for interest
>>64636045
Visuals can literally make or break a movie.
You can have a film with or without dialogue, plot, and story, but you can't have a film without visuals. It wouldn't be a film anymore.
Have you ever seen the film "Baraka"? If so, what did you think of it? If not, watch Baraka and then come here and take part in this discussion. Baraka is a perfect example of visuals making the movie. Samsara also works, but IMO Baraka's better.
this is my favorite movie
this movie is about as interesting as watching paint dry
fuck you wannabe patricians
>>64635401
>comparing this to 2001
Say it ain't so
>>64634817
What is this?
Is it like The Cell, with Jennifer Lopez?
>>64634817
Is this any good, or is it just some lame excuse to try and freak people out with weird images?
Or, a pretentious "art" film?
