What is the artistic conclusion to film?
Music has Yeezus, literature has Infinite Jest, but what does film have?
>>64604059
MGS3
2001 of course, as long as we're talking memes.
>>64604059
The fuck is an artistic conclusion? No form of art has a foreseeable end.
The Life Aquatic
>>64604196
An objective literal 10 out of 10
>>64604253
There is no such thing as an objective view of art.
>Infinite Meme
It's not even good. Lit trolled you hard, son.
Citizen Kane
followed closely by Con Air starring Nicolas Cage
Problem Child 2
>>64604196
The piece of art that renders any future entries into that medium obsolete. An art form spends so many decades or even centuries building up to that point, and then a product is made with such a high level of lucidity and representation that it compliments everything that came before it and discredits everything that comes after. That is an artistic conclusion.
>>64604285
Yes there is. It's what differentiates
This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-joyVsmXUmM
From this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tr0otuiQuU
While it can be hard to explain, there is most certainly a objective quality to all art.
Not that it matters anyway, art only matters as much as we let it.
>>64604059
>Yeezus
>>64604253
>An objective literal 10 out of 10
is this the artistic conclusion to trolling?
>>64604349
So, literally nothing?
>>64604380
now this is shitposting!
>>64604380
Art, by its very nature, cannot be viewed objectively.
To imply that it can be only makes one look pretentious and egotistical.
>>64604380
Alright I have no idea what that first link is but the description says it is by a Sasha Grey. Is it the porno sasha grey?
>>64604285
>>64604436
>art is subjective
Is this bait? Art is deeply connected to maths and simmetry
>>64604415
Only if you're a dullard who refuses to see.
Why are you so afraid of art?
>>64604380
>there is most certainly a objective quality to all art.
Can you prove that?
>>64604464
is THIS bait?
>>64604380
I hope for your sake that you are trying to say that the first one is art and the second one isn't
Beethoven, and most classical composers, produced nothing but sterile and anti-human trash. A mark of being ashamed of one's own animalism. The first video is much better
You can't have an objective end to any medium of Earth Human art becuase humans have gotten into the stupid habit of subdividing into genres. We can never have "the best sight" or "the best sound" becuase of our dumbass habits. Silly monkey choices like this also led to Islam and so forth
The opening scene from TDKR.
>>64604473
this is the most pretentious post i think i've ever seen on 4chan, go outside please, i beg of you
>>64604498
Not the guy you are quoting but you can literally measure music
You should read Erik Satie's books
>>64604557
Please, don't clump every human being into one category.
Its the epitome of ignorance.
>>64604557
>Is this bait? Art is deeply connected to maths and simmetry
Yes, There's a direct connection between the segregation of sociopolitical belief systems, musical genres and certain evolutionary traits. You are very smart.
>>64604530
Here's your reply
>>64604436
>Art, by its very nature, cannot be viewed objectively.
That's comletley wrong though, and can be argued the only reason artists get 'famous' is due to the objective quality of their works which everyone can agree on being 'good'.
If art were truly a subjective medium anyone anyone and everyone contributing the the medium would get recognition and a literal photo of a piece of shit (or Jesus Christ is a piss glass) can be as 'good' as the Mona Lisa.
There is most certainly, without a doubt an objective quality to all art, saying otherwise is just retarded and shows you do not understand what art truly is.
>>64604473
Name a piece of work which in some form or another stopped a genre from progressing.
It's literally never happened before. There is no such thing as a 'conclusion to art'. You're an idiot. It's an idea if anything, which has never and will never come to pass, unless all humans are dead.
>>64604296
Like you could write anything close to that
>>64604059
this
>>64604380
Consensus does not imply objectivity.
>>64604659
LITERALLY meme reply, have a (You)
>>64604530
you must be joking the 1st one sounds like utter trash
>Art is subjective
I LOVE this meme. Kids should read Kant before talking about shit they don't understand
Music: Trout Mask Replica
Literature: Finnegans Wake
Film: Satantango
desu senpai
>>64604652
>Name a piece of work which in some form or another stopped a genre from progressing.
>genre
Of course the pleb doesn't know his terminology. I'm talking about artistic mediums as a whole.
As for the examples you desire to be spoonfed, Yeezus and Infinite Jest, as already noted. Now fuck off back to reddit
>>64604688
Hang yourself
>>64604652
The only reason artists get famous is because of the popularity of their work which even then can be based on a great number of things, quality being only one and a subjective one at that. And to imply that art being subjective would mean wide recognition is to deny human nature, especially modern man. Look at this board for example. The people here live and breath to be contrarian.
Sometimes I wonder why the fuck do I keep comming to this site
Threads like this are the reason of it, good work OP
>>64604745
(you)
>>64604706
>"refugees welcome!!!!111!! xDDDD"
>>64604755
Like DFW Himself, I suppose.
>>64604794
who are you quoting?
sponge bob square pant: sponge out of water
>>64604618
So I should divide all humans into genres too? Disgusting. There are clear paths to superiority and you are blind.
>>64604725
>namedropping Kant just to shut up the /tv/-babbies
Nice one.
>>64604758
I am not saying art is purely objective. I am saying there IS an objective quality to all art.
You can't have one without the other, if I implied otherwise that wasn't my intention.
What you said is true, I COULD paint a red streak on a blank canvas and it COULD get very famous and I would then be considered a famous artisit, that does not mean I am objectivley better than an artist who worked their lives into each painting, say Picaso or Van Gogh.
It's hard to explain, but it's definitely there.
>>64604601
>"If I'm too much of a retarded bitch to understand, it's pretentious!"
love this meme
an ape on vicodin could grasp these concepts you small penised loser
>>64604652
Why did you spell "completely" in such a way that it fucking looks like it rhymes with omelette?
>>64604894
There isn't an objective quality to art.
This is easy to see in the two most basic forms of art. Music and painting.
Music can be dissected into tone, melody, beat, etc... all of which any individual can have a different preference to. There is even beauty to be found in discordant music.
And Van Gogh didn't gain recognition until after his death meaning the quality of his work had nothing to do with his later fame.
>>64604652
>If art were truly a subjective medium anyone anyone and everyone contributing the the medium would get recognition and a literal photo of a piece of shit (or Jesus Christ is a piss glass) can be as 'good' as the Mona Lisa.
Who says that isn't the case? (This is the part where you go all whacky and say "look at those curraaaazy liberals with their piss jesus amiright?")
>>64604775
Thanks for conceding
>>64605007
I have trouble spelling, my bad.
>>64605037
Why circle-jerk?
>Kant
Check him out.
art is completely subjective
>le art is objective!
>it's all le mathematics and shapes!
no one here gives a shit about your pretentious faggy philosophy
>>64604059
Only you could pick what you think is good/bad and decide to support those standards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNI07egoefc
>>64605093
You actually think you made an argument?(you)
>>64605154
>art is completely subjective
no one here gives a shit about your pretentious faggy philosophy
>>64605248
Good argument, man. Now I believe you.
>>64605154
>>64605248
>>64605298
nice interaction
>>64605343
I'm just here to rusltle Jimmies.
>>64604401
Autistic conclusion probably.
>>64605154
>le humans are a blank slate meme
The 17th century called, John Locke wants you back
>>64604908
>why are you so afraid of art?
it's easy to tell what you're saying but you sound like such an art school douchebag when you say it that it's very difficult to take you seriously
>yeezus
Is /mu/ even further up its arse than /tv/?
saying that art is subjective isn't totally wrong. the problem is that people use this to shut down dissent: anon has no arguments to justify his aesthetic judgment, thus he uses the convenient "all art is subjective, lol"
taste is a totally subjective, experiential phenomenon, but appreciating beauty (or the sublime) is an intellectual activity as much as it's emotional and sensorial. beauty that can't be described simply isn't there
>>64605480
>preprogrammed preferences make art objective
wew lad
>people in this thread are saying there's no objective qualities of art
Bullshit.
Forrest Gump is objectively better than Hoodwink'd.
If you agree with this statement, then you agree that there objective qualities to art. GOOD art is subjective, not all art.
>>64605612
to a certain extent, yes
>>64605676
>If you agree with this statement, then you agree that there objective qualities to art
but I don't
>>64604059
Vacanze di Natale movies
>>64604059
>music has Yeezus
>>64605717
[sweating intesifies]
>>64605712
So you'd contend that Charlie Chaplin's The Dictator is objectively just as artistic as Transformers 3? Since it's all subjective.
>>64606022
>objectively
You keep using that word though.
>>64606074
Saying all art is subjective is an objective, all-encompassing statement.
So, objectively, Minions is just as artistic as Dr. Strangelove
>>64606265
>Saying all art is subjective is an objective, all-encompassing statement.
No, it's still a subjective statement. I mean if it were objective we wouldn't argue about it right?
>>64606301
Let me rephrase it.
Realistically speaking, Minions is just as much as an artistic contender as Dr. Strangelove
>>64606354
>Realistically speaking, Minions is just as much as an artistic contender as Dr. Strangelove
Well, in SOMEONE'S subjective opinion I guess. Not for me and probably not for you either.
>>64606394
But objectively, it is, if "all art is subjective" is to be believed.
All art is subjective = all art can be equal to all other art
This is just a ridiculous statement, exemplified by the fact that Minions - subjectively - COULD be compared to Sr. Strangelove.
Effort, I think, is the defining quality of what makes something art.
>>64606607
>All art is subjective = all art can be equal to all other art
No. All art is subjective = what defines good or bad art is subject to every individual and can't be measured by some objective metric.
>This is just a ridiculous statement, exemplified by the fact that Minions - subjectively - COULD be compared to Sr. Strangelove.
It is not ridiculous, and Minions CAN be compared or even praised higher than Dr. Strangelove. And effort is a terrible metric for qualifying art, because then the quality is based on meta-knowledge and not the piece itself.
/v/ - Planescape: Torment
/mu/ - In the Aeroplane Over the Sea
/co/ - Avatar: The Last Airbender
/lit/ - Infinite Jest
/a/ - Legend of the Galactic Heroes
Whats the matter /tv/? Don't have a masterpiece for your piece of shit medium?
>>64606893
It was widely agreed upon that Spring Breakers was our representation, until this place got inexplicably flooded with newfags and redditors in 2014
>>64606893
Twin Peaks of course.
the tree of life
now please go back to your home board or stay in your star wars threads post 2013 posters
Attack of the clones
>>64604059
https://youtu.be/Xd3p0PUUklE
The greatest film ever made has already been made, it was called LA Confidential and we can all just move on to another medium already
There's a reason all films have sucked since the mid-90s and that's it. Anything we see that's "critically acclaimed" we all watch and think "yeah it's good but it's certainly no LA Confidential"
>>64606893
>Planetscape: Torment
5/10
>ITAOTS
6.5/10
>ATLA
4/10
>Infinite Jest
7/10
>LOGH
6/10
>>64606958
agreed
>>64606893
You're a /v/edditor though
besides /co/ how can you speak for the others when they dislike you more than even the average /b/ poster?
>>64607010
But that's just a memed up version of Chinatown
>>64607028
>/tv/
0/10
>>64606954
Tree of Life doesn't come anywhere close to the pure artistic and poetic beauty that it tried to ape - The Mirror.
>>64606893
Texhnolyze far surpasses LOGH. Hell I can name 10 shows that do.
What is the ultimate tracker for film?
Music has what.cd, literature has booknet, but what does film have?
>>64607083
Now post the part where he breaks the log for the sake of """"""comedy"""""" and pandering to the anti art movement
>>64607171
You don't know you're an actual idiot, do you?
>>64607164
If you know about those two then how do you not know about ptp........ or are you just trying to keep this garbage thread alive? OR do you mean trackers for pure cinema and not just everything
>>64607080
Have you even seen the films of Robert Bresson, Danièle Huillet & Jean-Marie Straub, Kenji Mizoguchi, Jean-Luc Godard, Marguerite Duras, Andrei Tarkovsky, Jean Epstein, Yasujiro Ozu, Chantal Akerman, James Benning, Stan Brakhage, Michael Snow, Ingmar Bergman, Jacques Rivette, Sergei Parajanov, Chris Marker, Jonas Mekas, Carl Th. Dreyer, Michelangelo Antonioni, Bela Tarr, Pedro Costa, Edward Yang, Tsai Ming-liang, the list goes on.
Everyone should have already experienced these works by the age of 16.
>>64606893
Alan Moore's Watchmen is a more appropriate example for /co/
>>64606893
/v/ - Majora's Mask
/mu/ - John Coltrane's Ascension
/co/ - Fantasia
/lit/ - Ulysses
/a/ - Neon Genesis Evangelion: End of Evangelion
/tv/ - The Sopranos
/film/ - Zerkalo
There is none because /tv/ is far too plebby to even be pretentious about high brow shit.
>>64607075
Chinatown, also a fantastic film, is just a step on a long path that eventually led up to LA Confidential, the only perfect movie ever put on film. How much Russel Crowe did Chinatown have? I rest my case
>>64607450
>/film/ - Zerkalo
not even his best you /tv/ cinephile pretending to be /film/
>>64607498
It is his best, only Offret comes close.
>>64604285
the fact that plebs think art is subjective really infuriates me.
>>64607630
Hope you don't pop a vein, grandpa.
This webm
>>64607247
honestly this.
>>64607699
fuck the beach, its hot and theres sand everywhere
>>64604659
>you couldn't write it
>therefore it's good
lol
Atop the Fourth Wall: The Movie
>>64607569
Not him, but Nostalghia comes next, then Sacrifice just behind.
>>64607498
You're a dirty degenerate pleb with no taste.
>>64608710
Guaranteed you haven't read it
>>64607487
Do you really hold LA Confidential in such high regard? It's a good flick, but it is nowhere near the masterpiece ypu make it out to be. That ending is something straigh out of a comic book. Watch more film, educate yourself.
