>So why is it titled Alien: Paradise Lost? “Well, because we’re heading back to why and how and when the beast was invented,” Ridley said at The Martian premiere. “We’ll go back into the back door of the very first Alien that I did thirty years ago.”
Well, I thought Prometheus was about how and why the beast was invented.
>>64515334
>Alien: Paradise Lost
This bodes well for the pretension not being off the charts.
Prometheus was not about the why and how of anything.
>>64515334
Because fuck mystery and letting the audience's imaginations fill the gaps.
Ridley Scott is the biggest hack in Hollywood.
>Eden is Earth
>xenomorph is actually an angel
>angels destroy Eden in Genesis
>prepare your anus
>>64515406
Prometheus was the sad result of writers who think bluffing ever works in a script.
Confusion =/= mystery =/= suspense
>>64515427
>>angels destroy Eden in Genesis
Did they? I thought Eden was kept under guard by a sword or something.
>>64515462
>Did they? I thought Eden was kept under guard by a sword or something.
The first angels we see, they destroy the garden. If you come across an angel in the Bible: run. They're generally here to fuck shit up.
>>64515511
what kind of fucked up translation of the Bibel did you read?
pretty sure everyone wanted to see the planet that Engineers came from, their home-world.
>>64515409
no thats Nolan
>>64515334
It is called Alien Covenant now, OP.
>>64515334
I'm still assblasted that they changed the name of the movie.
And I'm sticking with Paradise Lost, unless the next movie ends up taking that title.
Aliens paradise lost
They land in Memphis and plant the murder of 3 kids on 3 emo faggots.
>>64515334
>remember that terrifying creature in alien?
>yeah.
>well it's just a big dude in a suit.
>...
after literally raping the space jockey imagine how bad scott is going to fuck up the xeno.
I was expecting more creatures similar in design to the original alien, i'm kinda tired of the original alien by now.
>>64515334
That's why is now called Covenant.
Is not about how the monster was invented again.
Enjoy your film
>>64515334
>h.r. giger dies
>this is what we get
>>64516534
>>64516285
They renamed it 2 times? wtf lol
>>64515334
Producers realize the Prometheus name has left a bad taste in people's mouth.
>because we’re heading back to why and how and when the beast was invented
Was this a tale that ever needed to be told?
>>64516505
This, I demand more Giger Nightmare fuel for characters to be totally mindfucked by upon witnessing
>>64516657
Pretty sure it was explained in Prometheus already. Engineers created Xenos to wipe out humanity. What else is there to explain about this particular species?
>>64516723
The world needs a Dark Seed movie.
>>64516723
i-is he fucking her in the ass with his dic and in the pussey with his tail piercing her?
>>64515334
scott is getting senile in his old days. it's like he doesn't unterstand what made alien interesting in the first place or how horror works.
solving the mystery and explaining the horror is not how it works, ridley.
>>64516505
>>64516723
>>64516828
Was he inspired by the 2nd circle of hell?
>>64517058
but the mystery was already solved in the Prometheus though
>>64517058
I don't think he cares that much about the story.
He doesn't write his own scripts, he barely even contributes to them. He comes from a painting background and that's what interests him: making a movie work visually.
>>64516505
>>64516723
>>64516828
>>64517106
>>64517123
yeah, that movie was fucking retarded as well.
see >>64516493
>>64516493
Well, at least it will probably have rape so it can't be that bad.
>>64517106
>watch documentary about giger
>he has a constant scared look on his face
>they mention his art is a way for him to deal with his fears
>he basically lived in constant fear and what he painted is what he saw in his mind
now I understand why he always looked like he was on the verge crying
>>64517160
Vengeance for Zul'jin.
>tfw no Engineer Marines wrecking ayylmaos up
>>64517058
Ive always argued this to friends who defend the pleb >>64517148, it may look good but doesnt mean it is good, Prometheus for example although that didnt have much inspiration behind it, its as if they forgot about Giger
Ridley got the ball rolling for Alien due to his Story boards. I put the success of the film down the creative team around him, and that EVEN more so in Blade Runner
I could go into it more but the biggest supporting factor in this is that Ridley never really made anything that good after Blade Runner, Gladiator is okay but over rated and Kingdom of Heaven is pretty cool but thats it
The guy doesnt know how to begin creating something, only how to visualize after someone else has laid down the foundations (O'Bannon, Moebius, Syd Mead, Giger
Is Alien Resurrection worth watching? I really liked Alien and Alien 3.
>>64517670
then you'll hate resurrection. Unless you want to watch a black comedy
>>64515671
Yeah but not the one where those rubber bald assholes came from
>>64517670
Watch all including AvP
>>64515334
>how
>how
>how
Who the fuck cares? When I first saw the alien, I thought it was a terrifying creature because I had never seen anything like it before. It was almost the pure embodiment of evil. I didn't want to learn about it's fucking reproductive system and what it's predecessors were like. This origin tale retroactively removes the horror elements of the original film
>>64517670
No its really shit
>>64515334
Because the studio won't let him make a movie in that universe without forcing him to shoehorn in stuff to make people think it's a new Alien film when he's just trying to making a weird sci-fi movie. That xeno at the end of Prometheus was really shoehorned and unnecessary
>>64517670
it has some neat ideas and cool visuals, but is overall way too goofy. watch it but don't expect a horror movie.
>>64518009
Your underestimating the massive ego Scott has and the part it plaus
>>64515334
Prometheus was about the marathon of History Channel's Ancient Aliens that Scott binged on just before making it
Has Scott ever written or co-witten a script himself?
>>64517783
>>64517905
>>64518045
Is it like an action flick or what? What's the vibe?
>>64517865
I caught a bit of AvP on TV once and it was a scene in the some dark corridor and the editing was so manic that I had to turn it off. It's the only film that visually gave me a headache.
>>64515406
>xenomorphs are the result of engineers being raped
So they didn't exist prior to Prometheus?
>>64517901
>This origin tale retroactively removes the horror elements of the original film
No. Cameron's movie did that.
>>64515666
The kind that comes with a fedora.
>>64518543
>What's the vibe?
It's well-made schlock. There are some good visuals here and there (the Kill Me sequence for example, or Ripley's alien child) and the cast is good, especially Dourif. It'll entertain you for its runtime and then you'll probably forget about it.
>>64518543
>It's the only film that visually gave me a headache.
Try watching Quantum of Solace; the editing during the action scenes will literally make you nauseous.
>>64518677
dude, I think you're explaining a little bit too much.
Remember when circle jerking, fat, brain damaged neckbeards on the worst board on the internet acted like anything and everything put into any shitty movie made in the 70s or 80s was sacred?
Prometheus is by far the best movie set in the Alien universe. Only literal morons would ever disagree. Big surprise half of you can't even type coherent sentences.
>>64518750
>>64515334
>“We’ll go back into the back door of the very first Alien that I did thirty years ago.”
>back door of the very first Alien
I didn't know I wanted to fuck an alien in the ass until now, Anon. Thanks for that.
>>64518640
This. Cameron should have made a brand new franchise for that movie instead of awkwardly tacking it on to the Alien brand name.
>>64518543
action with lots of goofy/funny characters and dialogue. we have ron pearlman in this movie after all.
there is only one scene that changes the tone drastically and the movie goes really dark, which I won't spoil for you.
>>64518640
I have a pretty strong distaste for Aliens as well. At least it's still somewhat of a horror film. The fact that the best marines in the system can't kill the Aliens makes this still pretty intimidating. Very little rape innuendo compared to the original though.
>>64518640
>implying the marines entering the hive and ripley going after newt aren't the most intense and frightening moments of the entire franchise.
Lindelof and the studio fucked Prometheus. When it was Alien: Engineers it was a straight forward smart origin. Anything not shit in Prometheus is what's left over from the original Spaihts script. Clearly the studio knows they fucked up hence backtracking and directly tying the sequel to Alien again.
>>64518869
I'm convinced Cameron wanted to do a remake of Them! and cannibalized a script he already wrote for it to use for Aliens.
>>64519017
>straight forward
>good
Kill yourself, Alien simpleton. Your favorite movie is shallow garbage for retards.
>>64518677
>>64518884
So it's like an Alien B-movie? I'll probably end up watching it at some point, I'll keep my expectations low.
>>64518741
I don't care about spoilers
>>64518722
That's the only Bond movie I haven't seen, but I webm of a scene and I thought it was a fanedit. It looked so disorienting.
>>64516723
needs a XENOED.COM logo
>>64516828
>>64516723
>>64517160
Is the doc about him on netflix worth watching senpai?
>>64519079
just go watch it dude. it's the worst alien movie but still an enjoyable scifi action film featuring some really creepy imagery und ideas straight out of HR gigers head.
>we’re heading back to why and how and when the beast was invented
this is the worst fucking idea ever, how the fuck did he get the idea that it wasn't? does he literally not even know what's good about his good films and it turns out it was all just fucking random chance?
>>64519227
Yeah. It's sad because you can tell he's like about to die at any moment.
>>64517268
It's pretty sad. When you see his art, and you see the guy, you think he's a fucking psychopath that will kill you in his sleep. But in reality, he was a really gentle nice guy who was super passionate about his work.
>>64519310
Answering questions introduces new questions you halfwit
So happy Scott is continuing to fuck the franchise that's already been fucked six ways from sunday and stepping back to let based Villeneuve grace us with Blade Runner 2.
>>64519310
iirc he didnt have much creative control in the first Alien. he was mostly responsible for bringing Giger's visual themes to life and making the movie flow nicely, not coming up with the actual ideas and themes behind it.
it's similar to how george lucas and peter jackson both fucked up their franchises after the got full creative control. people forget that the director has a very specific job and shouldnt be given full credit for when a movie or franchise turns out well
>>64515334
Ridley is a fucking hack and he wants to milk his only succesful franchise for all its worth
He HAS to put Alien in the title otherwise 99% of people won't know what the film is about or who he is or anything at all
>>64519517
>he didnt have much creative control in the first Alien.
Yeah, Giger and Ron Cobb were already on board before Ridley Scott got involved
>>64515334
So where the fuck do Predators fit into the equation?
Aliens get created and all of a sudden the Predators discover them and hunting them becomes the cool thing to do or what?
I'm guessing its time to shit all over the alien/predator mythology. fuck this gay earth
>>64519517
>iirc he didnt have much creative control in the first Alien.
Bullshit. He was nitpicky as hell and was driving the studio execs nuts.
>>64516828
I feel like I should bow but I'm too embarrassed.
>>64519540
are you wearing a human shield right now my man?
>>64517148
>what interests him: making a movie work visually
I'm OK with this
Godspeed, Ridley
>>64519517
Giger's concepts from jodorowsky's Dune were reused in Alien and Prometheus
>>64519615
Nigger, AVP is fan fiction in Ridley Scott's world. They aren't in the equation.
>http://www.cinemablend.com/new/4-Huge-Facts-We-Just-Learned-About-Ridley-Scott-Alien-Paradise-Lost-84717.html
>Even though it is set years ahead of Alien, Prometheus takes place in the same world, and though Scott often talked about how the two were separated by a wide margin, we were always moving towards that.
hold on, I thought Prometheus was an indirect prequel to Alien? How come this says Prometheus takes place after Alien? Wtf?
>>64519685
Who says I can't have?
>>64519434
so he's Nicest Guy You'll Ever Meet/Twisted Fucking Psychopath?
>>64519781
The sentence you posted says Prometheus is set years ahead of Alien. Are you retarded?
>alien fan
Ah, I see.
>>64518576
They might have. Prometheus made little sense. Xenos might also come from space worms breeding with space corn cobs while covered in space orange jello. It would be consistent with Prometheus' "fuck it, whatever" story.
>>64519688
I'm fine with this too, but the problem is he keeps working with shit scripts. He should have enough of an interest in screenwriting where he can pick right ones, or correct a bad one where it's at least good.
This new Alien scripts is being written by two bona fide hacks and we'll probably be looking back at the good ol' days of Lindelof.
>>64520106
>black goo is a weapon that interacts with the DNA of organisms it comes into contact with
I'm pretty sure Prometheus does make sense you fucking imbecile.
>>64520033
Fuck off. You just said exactly what I just said. It says Prometheus is set years ahead of Alien, even though I thought Prometheus was supposed to take place before Alien?
>>64520173
"Ahead" means "before" you fucking retard
>>64520222
No it doesn't what the fuck
>>64519781
>>64520173
"set years ahead" means it takes place before alien
>>64520250
oh dear
you should read more books my friend
>>64520288
>>64520352
That's bullshit. It means "in the future." How the fuck can one thing being ahead of another mean that it is in the past?
>>64520352
yes, Prometheus is chonologically in front of (ahead) Alien.
>>64520222
>>64520288
trolled hard
>>64517106
implying i wouldn't love to be there
>>64520453
If it's in the past of Alien, wouldn't that mean it is behind Alien? As in, set years behind Alien?
>>64520451
is english not your first language or are you trolling
the same words often have different meanings depending on the context
>>64520352
>in front of
>in the future
Just proved yourself wrong you retard.
>>64520508
good lord
if someone finishes first in a race they come AHEAD of everyone else. prometheus is chronologically ahead of alien.
this isn't difficult to understand
>>64520585
pretending to be an idiot isn't healthy anon
>>64520590
>Semantics
>Pedantics
gr8 b8 m8
>AVP is canon
>shows xenomorphs thousands of years ago
>"lol, they weren't created until the 22nd century :) "
>>64520536
I'm not trolling. I've just never seen "ahead" used in that context before. Usually when I see "ahead," it means to be in front of something. In a chronological line, if a movie were to be ahead of another movie, it would take place after. Whereas if a movie is behind another movie, it takes place before.
>>64516493
>wearing a nappy
kek
>>64515334
They have no fucking clue what they're doing. Prometheus proved it. They baited us with an interesting premise and then completely dropped it for nonsense that was meant to be "mysterious."
Doing the same exact thing again, but putting the title to most important book written in the English language in your shitty sequel bait title is the living embodiment of pretentiousness.
>>64520730
it's alright.
you should absolutely read more like i said then f a m, it expands your vocabulary, improves critical thinking skills, reduces stress, etc
>>64520730
Imagine you walk into a room right behind someone else. You would say that they came in ahead of you, chronologically earlier. It get used both ways.
>>64516493
One of my dad's friends guessed since the beginning that it was a suit. Since 1979
>>64518976
It completely sissified the aliens
>remember that one alien who terrorized an entire crew?
>well fuck that, he was only part of the working class, here are the soldier class aliens. Oh look, they're dropping like flies
>>64521063
pretty sure it's an alien and not a dude in a suit.
>>64521149
>it completely sissified the aliens
what? no it didn't. in the original Alien the crew are just space truckers basically, I don't think they even had weapons. in Aliens it's space marines.
>>64521149
It makes sense faggot because the crew of the Nostromo were like truckers but in Aliens it's specifically a military mission and they're literally space marines ok??? Fuck
>>64521260
>>64521268
Did you even watch the movie? The original Alien was highly intelligent while the ones from the sequels were as smart as sharks at best.
>>64521387
>was highly intelligent
no it wasn't. we don't even see the alien that much really. they show him as an unfeeling killing machine whose only purpose is to reproduce. when Ripley finally finds him he's just goofily taking a nap there.
I mean I agree that people started seeing the xenomorph slightly differently once Aliens came out, but that's because it was a sequel, and you can't sustain that original mystique really.
>>64520167
>black goo interacts with DNA, imbecile
Oh, sorry. Black space jello, for the DNA interactions.
>>64517370
i feel that you didnt get enough attention for noticing this
>>64516505
It reminds me of Nihei's style, at least in his earlier work.
>>64521993
forgot pic
you know it's a lot cooler if they weren't invented and are some sort of invasive species hitching a ride on space vessels.
>>64517783
resurrection wasn't a black comedy, it was an action movie.
>>64515409
I wouldn't call him a hack. I would say the sun is setting on his career and it bothers him.
>>64517537
>only how to visualize after someone else has laid down the foundations
That's not necessarily a bad thing, as long as he's good at it, and there are very few people in film history as good as Ridley at taking a pre-existing vision and realising it on screen.
The problem is since he doesn't have a creative writing spark himself, he can't really tell when he's hired a mediocre screen writer, and this drags his films down.
>>64518045
I find AR unironically more unsettling and scary than any of the other Alien films.
Something about the colour grading and that fucking half human Alien still give me the willies.
>>64522031
This would make an awsome movie
>>64523733
In the original script for Alien, the space jockeys crashed on lv426 and their ship was moved on top of an underground temple lined with eggs. The space jockeys were the first victims.
>>64516493
You faggot. The space jockey was never terrifying in the first movie. The only scary thing in that film were the ship the eggs, face hugger and the xenomorph (and the emptiness of space). Anyone who knew anything about the story knew what was up with the space jockeys and a dead space jockey is about as scary as a piece of shit stuck to my heel. The living ones we saw in Prometheus are just as terrifying if not more so than the xenomorph. If it wasn't for Scott the Alien movies wouldn't fucking exist. So why don't you and all the other fucks who think they can backseat direct his next movie just fuck off with your suggestions and kindly suck my dick while you're at it?
>>64525154
>audiences shouldn't criticize anything they don't like if the content creator's made better stuff before
Do you realize this is the textbook definition of shilling?
