Yeah.
>>64497249
I don't know
to be fair, being that stupid should be a crime
Did he do it?
JUST
>>64497249
THE TRUTH.
>>64497249
>literally retarded
>still looks better than me.
>>64498917
>former
BLUE
>people actually think he did it and didn't just witness the body being burned
I'm not a smart man but I know what rape/murder is.
Finished this earlier and I just read up on all the evidence they left out. I'm glad I did because now that I know they clearly did it, my faux outrage has vanished.
Is this guy the worst lawyer in the history of lawyers?
>>64499607
nah but stevens lawyers are fookin legends
>>64499559
>they
>>64498917
you can tell he's full of shit from his soft little cuckster voice. only a cuck of the highest degree could stoop this low
>>64498883
Steven might have but Brendn dindu nuffin
>>64499659
at the very least the retard helped cover it up. besides he seems happy in jail
>>64498917
fuck i hate this guy's voice
>>64499822
literally comes down to her being murdered in the trailer or the garage. It literally cannot be both. If she's shot in the head in the garage, her throat wasn't slit in the bedroom like Brendon said.
He didn't fucking know what inconsistent meant, it would be easy to make him say shit. If Steven Avery is guilty, Brendon isn't. If Avery isn't guilty then neither of them are.
>>64499736
>>64499852
Coupla faggots hating on based 'The Prize'.
I'm convinced he was framed. No one who did 18 years for something they didn't do would be stupid enough to just leave the vehicle on their own property where anyone could come up and find it. Also, add to that the long history of corrupt cops being the most sickening slimy cunts to ever exist and it's pretty obvious imo
>>64499607
>>64499607
He's pretty cool tbhwy
>>64497249
tfw no wrestlemania
yeah?
>>64501236
his iq was 70
that said the case was fucked up, evidence was tampered with, and there was clearly room for reasonable doubt
i bet avery did it, but brendan i genuinely felt bad for
"mom is dad taping wrestlemania"
"im just real stupid ma i cant help it"
i dont get sad watching movies but damn that made my heart go JUST
cause im stupid
>>64499607
shoulda used o'mara
>>64501474
even with an IQ of 70, having sat in those court rooms all those years youd think he would know how evidence works. plus someone broken into his evidence file and taken blood? I mean just watching that lentz guy or whatever getting deposed in 2005, the fucker looks like hes about to have a heart attack
>>64499559
>implying it was solid evidence
>being a contrarian based on kratz' attempt at salvation on click-bait sites
ok anon
>>64501474
>his iq was 70
part of the prosecution was that he bleached the garage and therefore there was no blood to be found. They are trying to suggest that he was smart enough to know to bleach away blood, but not smart enough to crush a car.
People who are guilty of the crimes they are incarcerated for general is my new favorite /tv/ thread.
>>64501602
7/10 bait
>>64501587
neither blood or bleach was found in the garage. his prosecution was solely based on all the shit he said so he could go home and play vidya. did you even watch the series?
>>64499607
>his guy the worst lawyer in the history of lawyers?
no, he did his job accurately. it's you idiots that believe a publc defenders job is to get their clients off the hook.
>>64501673
that's what the prosecution claimed though, part of the evidence was a pair of the kids jeans that had bleach on them.
>>64501725
Are you retarded?
>>64501725
If he had gotten him to plead guilty then he might have gotten half the sentence. Its his dolt lawyers who took his case to trial that should be blamed. Len would have gotten a better outcome then the guys he ended up with even though they were probably better lawyers.
>>64501673
They cleaned the spots with bleach, paint thinner, and gasoline. Moreover, these areas weren't checked for blood until four months later. His own mother noticed his jeans had bleach spots when he got home that night (that were actually state evidence in the trial).
but
> D I N
> D U
> N U F F I N
>>64501838
a real lawyer would have gotten those confessions thrown out, not try to coerce him into a confession he knows is fake.
steven's lawyer would have gotten brendan off
>>64501790
are you? this is babbys first taste of corrupt justice system. just like in this documentary, public defenders often work with prosecutors to convict the accused. if you're not paying for a good lawyer, you're only option is to plea out or lose at trial.
>>64501953
Except brendan now has several serious lawyers who still couldnt get his confessions thrown out during his appeals. To me this means that all courts have come to the conclusion that his confession is actually genuine, which I also believe. Though initially I was also drunk on the documentaries cool aid.
>>64501893
I hope your IQ isnt 70 you fucking dipshit. They took several blocks of concrete to test and none of them had traces of blood, bleach, paint thinner or gasoline. In fact, there wasn't blood ANYWHERE BUT THE CAR.
>LE EDGY C O N T R A R I A N
>>64501893
> Moreover, these areas weren't checked for blood until four months later
they checked it many times before dumb fuck, did you even watch the show?
>>64499559
Source
>>64498917
>tfw no longer the prize
>Scott Tadych did it and roped in Bobby.
>Brendan returns home and witnessed it/ helped dispose of evidence.
>Now, just so we're clear... Steve did this right?
>Say anything about me you pair of fags and I'm doin this to yer momma
>Steve arrested
>this is the best day ever
>So I told Brendan to say he aided a murder suspect.. he actually did it the absolute madman hahahahahahaha!
Why is no one pointing out the fact that he said he got the idea of the bound girl because he read the book ?Kiss the Girls? No fucking way he could read a book.
So what WAS the explanation of Brendan's story? With the evidence given, I believe Steven is not guilty.. But i cannot shake off the story that Brendan gave, what was the purpose? Maybe I'm not far enough in.
>>64503230
>I cannot shake off the story that Brendan gave
You're fucking trolling us, right?
No one can be this fucking dumb.
Apart from the jury that found him guilty, of course.
>>64502835
:^)
>>64503230
The detectives told him that whatever he said he'd be alright. He thought he could just say whatever they wanted to hear and then go home— turns out he got life sentence.
>>64503285
I don't actually believe the story angry goyim, but I want to know why such a bizzare story was even told to the police in the first place
>>64503326
Again.
Are you fucking dumb?
The docco laid it out for you pretty clearly what happened.
>>64503315
thank you for actually giving a decent response unlike this raging autist >>64503285
Lenk's face everytime he's on screen is proof enough to me that he did it
>>64503160
Seriously, that was so obviously a lie his attorneys coached him to say. That just proved what a natural lying piece of shit he is. I hope he dies in prison.
>>64503285
>I defend Brendan Dassey on 4chan, I do this everyday because I'm a fucking idiot who believes mediocre documentaries made by ugly dykes to push their personal agenda through misdirection of facts. I am literally a fucking retarded person, please tell me what to think!
That's you. That's what you sound like.
>>64503230
>story
what story you fucking tard? he just agreed with everything the cops said, it was self-contradictory and inconsistent with what little physical evidence exists
>>64503411
come on mang, the only think brendan did wasmiss wrestlemania
>>64503411
>personal agenda
>being this desperate
>>64503465
no, i think the story was actually relatively true and actually linked to a lot of the physical evidence.
2/10 bait
>>64503466
he aint even gon get to see it.
cry evertim senpai
>>64503514
except for the fact that the bus driver who has no reason to lie contradicted his story. And the fact that he was 16 years old and a literal fucking retard
>>64503160
>why is no one pointing out a mentally challenged kid realised he fucked up the rest of his life and tried to change his statement, despite that being in the dumbest way imaginable
I would love to see a spinoff of Brandon's life in jail and his eternal struggle to achieve wrestlemania
>>64497249
>>64501416
>tfw you have a project due sixth hour but you're busy being coerced into confessing to a crime you didn't commit
>>64503575
>bus driver had no reason to lie
>but brendan did, because he wanted to spend his life in prison
Plus he's slower, I wouldn't consider him a full fledged retard
>>64503518
They probably have copies in the prison library.
>>64503613
Hell. I'd watch it
>>64503636
they said his IQ was 70 right? im pretty sure that's the exact cutoff for being classified as mentally retarded
He has an IQ of wall yet people are accepting he got the ideas from a crime novel. Claim he is too dumb to understand he admitted to a murder yet are fine with him understanding murder mystery books.
>>64503514
>im duller than brendan
thanks for sharing.
They didn't use any of it in Steven's trial, as it was such obvious garbage that contradicts the little physical evidence that it would have torpedoed their case against Steven.
He supplies zero new information, he never provides any type of cohesive narrative, he just agrees with what the interrogators feed him.
It's a textbook retard-false-confession.
>>64503680
Maybe the cutoff is 69. Kind of like a grading system, a 70 is still a C and passing. If his IQ was 69 I'd techniqually consider him a tard
>>64503745
Try to think about why I wrote 2/10 bait at the end of my post you hot-head
>>64497249
>But WWE is on Friday
>>64503636
People of normal intelligence give false confessions under protracted interrogation, but 70-IQ-Yeah? should have known better?
Literally stupider than brendan, do the world a favor and kill yourself
>>64503783
Yeah?
>>64503773
Why dont they just use polygraphs? i know they aren't always correct but aren't they correct most of the time?
>>64503830
I don't know senpai my son Malcolm has an IQ of 165
>>64503832
I don't know
>>64503912
yeah
Lads, I'm from Australia and watching episode 1. What fuckin accent does this family have? They sound Scottish.
>>64503986
well they're from Wisconsin. Which kind of sounds like a Minnesota accent, which sounds like a Canadian accent.
>mfw poor people lose
Number 1 country in the world.
>>64504047
We didn't become #1 by being nice to tards.
>>64504043
That's a perfect description
>>64503886
I dont think they are admissible in court
>>64503986
this >>64504043
The Manitowoc Defense Force is all over this thread.
>>64503752
if somebodies iq is 100 i consider them too dumb to trust with anything serious... like eye witness testimony
>>64503983
What does inconsistent mean?
>>64503986
They have the Fargo accent.
>>64503680
>>64503752
and anyway, his iq was 74
>>64499993
Then who is guilty?
>>64504149
I don't know
>>64504149
>>64504181
le apple stayed close to le tree
ehuehuehue
>>64501474
The saddest thing was him being held after confessing and not realizing how over his life was.
Throughout the whole taping of him with the police that day, he kept thinking he would be going home.
I know what you mean, watching hours go by on the clock in the recording made me feel for him in a certain way that only a real person can, not a fictional or even true story.
>>64504314
>the docu series forces the state to reevaluate the cases
>brandon gets out of jail
>the first thing he does is turn in his 6th period project
>>64503986
They sound like the Hart Family (wrestling)
>>64503880
you could argue that picture if i hadn't already wrote that it was bait in the post lol
>>64504149
yeah
>>64504516
More like the first thing he does is rape someone and kill them.
It runs in the family.
>>64499607
No. He knew Brendan would be sent to prison no matter what and instead tried to strike a plea deal that would lessen his sentence. It's not my fault our legal system is complete garbage and Len shouldn't be held accountable for it.
>>64504756
>>/edge/
Rewatching it now. Steven sounds guilty as fuck when Barb calls him asking for 100 grand
can we talk about what a giant cuckold faggot teresa's brother is? Holy fuck he is punchable, he probably killed her
>ywn get a call from unky stevie one night to ride around teh yard in a four wheeler and pick up trash and then burn it
jdipa
>>64505238
I think he did it.
Also regardless of whether you think either of them did it, neither of the cases was proved beyond reasonable doubt; suggesting that the jurors were either bought or as dumb as Brendan.
>>64505354
>be brendan
>get a jury of your peers
seems about right
dunno about steve though
>April 10th is Wrestlemania
There's never been a Wrestlemania on that date
I thought he would at least be smart on 1 thing
>>64497249
MOK: Yes. That doesn't surprise you. Let me show you some things. This is the original poster for Teresa Halbach. Okay. This is Teresa's website; this is her family. You see them in court right? OK. This is the last thing that Teresa saw. She saw this sign right here. Do you recognize this sign? What does this sign say?
BD: Dead end.
MOK: OK. It's pretty prophetic, isn't it?
BD: [nods]
> [nods]
Holy kek, he didn't even know what fucking prophetic meant.
>>64498883
Yeah?
He is becoming a meme
>>64505354
Most Americans are not intelligent enough to understand reasonable doubt.
B. Ya but, like that one time when he was going with what's her name Jessica ..s sister.
M. Teresa?
B. Yn. That one day when she was over, Steven and Blaine and Brian and I was downstairs and Steven was touching her and that.
M. Really
B. Ya.
M. Oh, he makes me so sick (Heavy Breathing)
sauce https://www.dropbox.com/s/lr7iif6ca3xp5sa/Transcript%20-%20May%2013%2C%202006%20%28Dassey%20to%20Mother%29.pdf?dl=0
>>64506090
Steven has long been confirmed for incestuous rapist pedophile. Glad he's in jail, why did that tard think he could play the system?
Was he literally so dumb that he thought he was immune now and that since he's been falsely convicted once, they wouldn't do it again and everybod would believe him?
>>64503986
>Scottish
Anon they sound funny but don't talk shot for the sake of talking shit. If you truly believe that then just KYS my man.
Did Jay get arrested?
that brother and bf though
>25 year old disappears, brother thinks something terrible has happened after two days
>go search the Avery's junk yard believable mother and daughter team, dont forget the camera btw XD
>bf literally cant remember if it was night or day when he last saw his girlfriend alive
neither of these people were ever investigated
>>64498917
>he looks like if george rr martin had written 50 shades of grey
>>64497249
>Corruskant?
>>64503986
It's yooper, stronger than the typical WI accent.
It includes the Upper Penninsula of MI down Eastern WI as far south as Sheboygan Co..
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yooper_English
>>64506359
yeah, I am mad about that from a purely selfish standpoint. The fact that the police didn't investigate all these other potential killers means it's much more difficult to come up with theories for what happened.
I just really want to know what happened. someone out there knows. it seems the best we can hope for is a deathbed confession.
>>64498917
>Kratz
/pol/ is always right
>>64506652
He is surely of German ancestry like most people in the doc.
>>64507378
A lot are actually of Polish decent.
>>64502104
>>64502105
>/pol/-reddit crossposters
>not just shitting up anything
>>64507427
avery family is definitely polack
>>64498917
HODOR
>>64503315
But he gave all the details to O'Kelly after his mother told him not to guess and to just tell the truth.
O'Kelly wasn't pushing him that hard either. Brendan came up with the answers himself.
>>64506359
>brother thinks something terrible has happened after two days
Is that really that uncommon? If somebody's gone for two days isn't it pretty clear they're dead, at least under those circumstances she disappeared under?
>>64506365
I cry everytiem.
>>64507826
roomate: she hasn't been home in 3 days, I'm totally not concerned for her at all. Lets hack into her voicemail
>>64507826
>If somebody's gone for two days isn't it pretty clear they're dead,
Most people stay positive that they're alive and hope for the best. It boosts morale for the friends and family of the missing.
>>64504179
this t b h
>>64506090
>Barb: Well, you better just start putting your head on your shoulders, and start thinking.
>Brendan: How can I? I'm really stupid, Mom. I can't help it.
>>64508069
heartbreaking for his mom
>Be in american court
>Jurors don't know what reasonable doubt is
>they find me guilty with the reasoning that my defense "didn't prove I wasn't guilty"
okay ya?
>>64508170
What do you expect? Lawyers want the dumbest people on the jury. It was all home makers and mechanics up there.
B. Ya, I told them that. I even told them about Steven touching me and that.
M. What do you mean touching you?
B. He would grab me somewhere where I was uncomfortable.
This Avery guy..he's a real jerk
>yfw steven is actually guilty
>yfw steven's lawyers arranged this documentry to further their careers
>yfw he actually dindu dindu duffin
>>64498917
Randy Quaid?
>>64508260
I don't like it when people touch my shoulders, waist or legs. Keep your hands off me, especially if we're related.
>>64499559
>evidence they left out
But they didnt
>>64508263
It's a fun demonstration in the power of mass media to manipulate someone's perceived reality
>>64508170
>tfw you will never get a taste of that sweet American freedumb
FUCKING BRENDAN
>>64508295
MaM is clearly biased.
The vial of blood having a hole in the lid is not unusual. They don't mention that so anyone watching 100% thinks it was tampered with to plant evidence.
The way everything was edited clearly favours Avery
>>64508415
>The vial of blood having a hole in the lid is not unusual.
Why did the prosecution not bring it up then?
>>64508415
But they did say it was unusual. That that is not how they normally removal blood from a vial.
>>64502100
Well, they may not be "genuine" but the police used tactics that were legal, if scummy and a bit dishonest (yes, police are allowed to lie to to you) I assume his mother gave his consent to be questioned, because otherwise they would be thrown out. She didn't seem to bright either so probably didn't realize that you never , ever, answer cops questions without a lawyer. Brendan himself certainly didn't know you are not obliged to incriminate yourself, and he was read his Miranda rights but probably just said he understands them when he didn't. Regardless of the tactics the cops used however, it meets legal criteria to be admitted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=S9h5C901lGE
>>64508415
The key and car were probably definitely planted and the bones were absolutely moved. Not saying steve didn't do it but there's enough greyness and manitowoc county involvement for reasonable doubt but cheese-eaters with down's syndrome see the cops as dindus
>>64508517
I don't think his mom knew he was talking to the cops. No one ever told her the second time and they pulled him out of school the first time
>>64508547
Truly the most based man in existence
>>64501566
>plus someone broken into his evidence file and taken blood
Never happened. The reason you never heard about that again after the initial discovery is because the lawyers are retards when it comes to blood sampling. That was a vacuutube used for blood sampling, literally the ONLY way to get the blood into there is to pierce the top and let the vacuum within the bottle draw in the blood sample.
The hole on top is just inherent from filling the vial to begin with. Multiple pierces would indicate withdrawl. A single one is just how it was filled.
>>64508720
Source?
>>64506055
Yeah this desu
I was real fuckin confused at the inconsistent verdicts from Steven's jury
I'm glad "beyond reasonable doubt" is pushed so fkn heavily in Aus
>>64507427
Yeah, Avery is whatever but I watched the doc and there were a lot of German names popping up (I'm German btw).
>>64508720
The seal was broken though.
Also: Source?
>>64506090
>no OCR
Also what the fuck is up with Murican courts? Do they seriously not have any processes for
(a) determining whether a defendant is capable of understanding their convictions and the court process
(b) determining whether a defendant is suitable for detention in mental health facilities
He was clearly not fit for trial due to intellectual disability
LAND OF THE FREE HOME OF THE BRAVE
just watched the first two episodes
what the fuck do they mean, he didn't even own any underwear?
is this an american thing? not wearing or even owning underwear? who the fuck
>>64508991
There's even more kekworthy stuff like that coming, keep watching.
>>64508759
I'm a phlebotomist. There's your source.
>>64509082
Thank you, good sir.
>>64508991
I don't get how they found him guilty when he had a solid alibi during the rape. He was with his wife and kids going grocery shopping and getting lunch. A hundred people must have seen him during the time frame she claimed she was raped.
>>64509037
i guess if you examine anyone this closely you're gonna come up with weird shit
fuckin white trash hick town .. theyre all fucked
Doc just proved how disgusting that part of America is
>>64509117
they basically just called the whole family collaborators
>>64509135
All of America is like that. Doesn't matter which colour. Every Amerifat needs to get bombed.
when u get away with murder
>>64499607
GRINCH LOOKIN CUNT
>>64501725
>this actually happens in america
fucking lol every time with your country
What's better, /tv/, this or Serial. Personally I preferred Serial
>>64509163
Cry more yurotrash. You hate us because you ain't us.
>>64509420
>tfw I will never experience the American freedom of getting shot
feels bad, man
>>64509501
It does make life more exciting
>>64509420
>tfw i will never experience the struggle to pay tens of thousands of dollars for life-saving surgery
shit man that sucks
>>64508415
How difficult would it be to extract blood from the vial with a syringe through the same initial hole that filled the vial?
>>64509558
Don't forget to tip afterwards
You think he got to watch Wrestlemania?
>>64509835
Wonder what grade he would've gotten on that school project he was so nervous about handing in.
Are the women who made this doc lesbos?
>>64509324
Serial is overrated. Adnan was clearly guilty. Sarah was biased as fuck and kept repeating herself and there was so much fucking filler.
>Kratz:"This was the work of one man and one man alone"
>Brendan still goes to prison
Bravo, jury.
>TIED HER TO THE BED, SLASHED HER THROAT, RAPED HER AND SHOT HER 11 TIMES IN THE GARAGE
>literally no evidence whatsoever of that happening
>GUILTY
they transcended retardation desu senpai desu
>>64508547
>WMAF
faptime came early today
>>64506365
Poor kid. He had no idea what kind of shit he got himself into.
>>64510311
Yeah.
>>64510086
But anon, da policeman said it so it must be true
>>64510086
Don't forget they cut her hair. Should be strands of that everywhere.
Anybody wanna stream this? Feel like rewatching.
that bald and the gay officers are guilty as fuck you can see in their faces
jury is a fucking cancer
Her car is missing yet the cop called in her plates. Two days later her car was mysteriously found on Avery's property. THAT BOTHERED ME SO MUCH
>>64510496
>jury is a fucking cancer
>The jury for Steven Avery's homicide trial includes a man whose son works for the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department and a man whose wife works for the Manitowoc County clerk of courts office.
Sheboygan
>>64510702
Is this a fucking joke?
Kek I bet those two were the two ones who voted guilty in the initial vote.
>>64510702
Not to mention all the key evidence was found by manitowoc county officers.
Why didn't they just fuck off from the entire investigation? Then none of these questions would have been raised
>>64510702
Those were probably the two of three jurors that were adamant he was guilty from the start. Not sure what the fuck happened to the other nine.
I was reading somewhere else that the jurors were afraid that if they couldn't agree on a guilty verdict, the prosecutors would figure out who was holding out and make their personal lives hell.
>>64510774
The fact that those officers were allowed to handle SA's case when SA was framed previously by them is also an absolute joke.
>>64510702
The defense was sandbagged. They're only allowed to dismiss six potential jurors so the pool must have been filled with county employee family members.
Are they a couple?
>>64497249
ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT, NETFLIX SHILLS I'LL WATCH YOUR STUPID SHOW.
This better be good because every episode lasts like one hour.
>>64510702
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT LEGAL
>>64511031
That phrase may as well be the secondary title for this fucking doc
>>64511031
It's legal. It's just up to the lawyers if they want you on as a juror. Most don't.
what did he mean by this?
>>64511102
Just like what he said. It would be easier to kill him to save the county the money than to plant so much evidence against him.
Feisty glasses reporter is my jam.
>>64511253
>not this
>>64511253
>>64511317
I thought MaM was fictionalized at first because of shots of people like this
>>64511364
Some people are just born reporters and news anchors. Being attractive gets you the most attention for questions to be asked.
Will these threads still be here in 10 days?
I want to discuss this with you guys, but I'm afraid that when I finish it you guys will move onto the next flavor of the month show.
>>64511453
>not watching it on in one sitting
But yeah, some of us will probably still be here.
>>64511399
Yeah but I felt like they were too almost too perfect and the way the doc showed them so often.
>burns cats alive
>runs a woman off the road with his car and threatens her with a shotgun
>masturbates in public
>burgled properties
>possibly raped a woman (the sketch matched him, DNA could have been a mix up)
he killed Theresa Halbach. Deal with it.
Brendan probably had nothing to do with it though
>>64509324
I prefer Making a Murderer because at least everything is interesting and kind of up in the air. Serial it's painfully obvious that Adnan murdered the fuck out of Hae. Best true crime docu series is The Staircase tho
>can you believe this fucking shit?
>>64511659
>Serial it's painfully obvious that Adnan murdered the fuck out of Hae
I didnt think so, the only thing pinning him was Jay's sketchy as fuck testimony. Also right at the end she mentions that the serial killer with an MO of Hae's murder was released right before Hae's murder in that area
I need to go back and rewatch it but did I hear this pos right when he said something like, "It doesn't matter if the evidence was planted if you believe Steven Avery is guilty" in his closing argument? What?
>>64511705
Don't get me wrong, I think jay had a lot more to do with it than he claimed to, but if Adnan didn't do it there's a lot of questions that need answers.
Like how did Jay know where Hae's car was? Why didn't Adnan freak out more when his ex-girlfriend was missing? Why does he remember every specific thing about that day EXCEPT for the time period of the murders? Why did he react so negatively when Sarah said the time frame was possible? Why has his story changed multiple times about asking Hae for a ride that day? Why did his cell phone ping at Leakin Park on the day of the murder? Why does his own father have a different story about Adnan spending the night with him at the mosque? And that's all just self contradictory stuff from the podcast, not even starting on all the stuff from court records that has come out since, which Sarah Koenig conveniently glanced over while she was gushing about Adnan's big brown eyes.
There's a reason it took the jury a lunch break to confirm his guilt.
>>64511705
The podcast fails to mention that the released serial killer was a child murderer who probably wouldn't have been interested in a 17 year old. And that Adnan's lawyers have refused DNA tests on the liquor bottle and cigarette butts from the crime scene multiple times. He's pretty fucking guilty senpai
>>64511908
i found his closing statement really strange. It almost came off as an admission that the key was planted. (which would be a huge reason for reasonable doubt, not to mention a mistrial)
>>64511932
I need to listen to it again, but I definitely remember the thing about the serial killer being released in the area in the time frame. Either way I'll bare your points in mind when I listen to it again, I might have fallen victim to Koenig's bias
>>64512053
It's definitely worth another listen with the new information. If you get a chance Google some of the actual court documents, there's an awful lot of information that was left out.
>>64511601
>possibly raped a woman (the sketch matched him, DNA could have been a mix up)
...oh wait, you're just pretending :^)
>>64497249
Regardless of Brendan of Steven being guilty, the investigation and trial were on some absolutely ridiculous shit. Like, I'm shocked the cases didn't just get thrown out and restarted multiple times.
That said, it seemed absolutely ridiculous to me that they found either guilty. I was under the impression that reasonable doubt was enough let people off innocent. The lawyers had an uphill battle though. People had decided they were guilty before the trial even started. Jurors even. How is that fucking allowed!? Innocent until proven guilty was thrown out the window from the start.
>>64503131
underrated toast
>>64497249
>bullshit fbi test that doesn't prove jackshit about the blood
>I'LL ALLOW IT
seriously judge? the fucking gullible jury will eat that crap easily even if you tell them it's not reliable
>>64512455
>I was under the impression that reasonable doubt was enough let people off innocent.
Only if you're rich enough.
>>64511317
Anyone else ship them?
>>64511131
that would be a great thing for the PD image if they posterboy for injustice got killed and nobody found the killer
it's not about what is easy, it's about the consequences
>>64512633
exactly. Steve being dead without a trace would just be more negative PR for the sheriff's dept. and they would still probably have to pay the damages to his family.
Him being back in prison is the ultimate vindication for the rape trial fuckup.
>>64512020
But they've got the finest police officers in the country and it's outrageous to claim otherwise. Nevermind the fact they fucked the same guy over once already. Now shut up and bring back that guilty verdict you bible thumping, wrestlemania watching plebs.
>>64499607
William h. Macy biopic when
>>64499607
I legit think he was distracted by how much he blatantly wanted to fug brendan's mum. Because of this he misinterpreted the relationship between brendan and his mum as brendan's mum intimidating or bullying brendan into saying what he said and told brendan to take the plea bargain
>>64513124
Even with that hideous bleached out perm she had going?
Anyone have that picture of Brendan's step dad smugging when Avery was given the guilty verdict?
>>64513276
she had the hot spaced out crack whore look
"What about the head? What was done to the head"
"I'm just going to say it, she was shot in the head"
-"oh yeah"
>>64509082
Sure you are.
>>64509082
But have you worked with blood that was part of an ongoing and highly controversial police investigation?
Steven's lawyers said that the company who made those tubes doesn't extract blood that way. Even so, there would need to be documentation saying who extracted the blood, did the testing and when the blood was taken.
As well, the seal on both the evidence outer box and the styrofoam cover were broken.
Lastly, the lady that worked where the evidence was held said that there were master keys that the sheriff had and there was ample opportunity to go in there after hours.
The hole idea of letting some bumfuck hillbillie american jury people decide over someones fate is ridiculous.
American justice is retarded.
>>64511908
He said reasonable doubt is for innocent people. An absurd thing to say.
>>64513562
I'm a yuropoor but don't some countries in Europe have these jurys too?
>>64513479
Phlebotomy training is literally like 10 weeks. Any dumbass can do it. Ever notice its always bottom tier ghetto chicks drawing blood in hospitals?
>>64505238
Does Manitowoc County Wisconsin have the most punchable faces per capita in the US? I think he and Teresa's ex may have been secretly sucking each other and when Teresa found out they killed her.
>>64513636
In Italy there's the "keep trying until someone says they're guilty" system, which the whole civilized world got a chance to point and laugh at during the Amanda Knox trial(s)
>>64513867
>I think he and Teresa's ex may have been secretly sucking each other and when Teresa found out they killed her.
Best theory yet
According to those close to the case, this evidence includes the fact Avery met Halbach wearing just a towel and called her three times on the day she disappeared.
According to those close to the case, this evidence includes the fact Avery met Halbach wearing just a towel and called her three times on the day she disappeared.
Kratz also claims phone records have been left out of the popular series.
'Phone records show three calls from Avery to Teresa's cell phone on Oct. 31.One at 2:24 [p.m.], and one at 2:35 – both calls Avery uses the *67 feature so Teresa doesn't know it him... both placed before she arrives.
'Then one last call at 4:35 p.m., without the *67 feature.
'Avery first believes he can simply say she never showed up... so tries to establish the alibi call after she's already been there, hence the 4:35 call.
'She will never answer of course, so he doesn't need the *67 feature for that last call,' he said.
>>64497249
Why does everyone assume Dassey was some autistic savant with a dumb, child-like innocent mind which would never have hurt a fly?
Seriously, seems like every time most people talk about Dassey, that's essentially their underlying argument for why he was innocent. Because he seemed to have a dumb, childlike innocence. But he wasn't THAT dumb, and he played school sports and took school courses. You can watch him on the stand with the impression that he's a mildly dumb kid who's lying his ass off and it works.
>>64514133
>70 IQ
>>64514084
I think the one theory on the calls is she was scheduled at 2 and he was trying to figure out when she would arrive
