THIS IS THE SHIP THAT MADE THE KESSEL RUN IN 14 PARSECS!
12!
>Move, ball!
my favorite line in the movie
>>64489489
cringe
THE FACE OF MY SON
>>64489644
What if Han is still alive? He's still in the cast.
>implying this wasn't tasteful as fuck
>>64489717
only as a goast
>>64489489
AY YA FOOKIN CUNT YOR HAN SOWLO, THIS IS DA MILLANIUM FAWLCON
i fucking hated Rey
>>64489767
TELL THAD TAE THA KENJIKLAB
>>64489489
Why did she call it junk/garbage when they were running from the first order?
>>64489489
>this is the ship that made kessel run in 14 parsecs!
>12!
>should we shoot first and ask questions later?
>always shoot first, kid
>I guess you could say those weren't the droids they're looking for
>>64489489
I still don't know what any of that means. The fuck is a kessel run?
>>64489801
>and then inexplicably knew its technology from the bottom up, how to fix it, and fly it
>>64489887
Tell that to candy club.
>>64489753
But he's not force sensitive
Tell the to the ganja kluub
>>64489801
the falcon is canonically a piece of shit
I just hope the next one is betterBut I won't be paying to find out. Just like I didn't pay for this one.
>>64489489
a parsec is a unit of length, whatever the Kessel Run is wouldn't all ships travel the same distance?
>>64489903
and even though it was junk it easily outmaneuvered several first order ships - something until this point was deemed threatening
why do they still use minutes as a unit for time?
>>64489927
His midichlorian rating is high enough, young padawan.
>>64490030
>MUH THREAT
>>64489887
it's a reference to A New Hope to pander to nostalgiafags and kessel is some planet from the SW universe or some shit.
>>64490024
my nigga han cut the distance and did the impossible
>>64489903
No inexplicable; she said she worked on it for the owner installing some thingamajig, possibly other work.
still doesn't explain how she outflew trained combat pilots in the latest attack craft.
they really put that in the movie? lmao
>>64489801
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN8HTKLsKkU
falcon is at least 90 years old it's garbage, highly modified garbage
>>64489489
>the official script of ANH says that Han is 'obviously lying' about the Kessel run
>this shit
>>64489489
post the face she makes to Han when she bypasses the compressor
It's completely adorable
>>64489717
Flashback
>>64489489
>parsec
>time unit
>>64489489
Ha! It's actually 12! I'm such a nerd lol!
>>64490123
He could still be lying. Or going senile and believe the lie he's told for 30 years.
>>64490093
they were so retarded with her character
why not do something focused like "Rey is an engineer, that's her specialty, she can fix things well" and then she's force sensitive
instead of "Rey scavenges, kicks ass, engineers, pilots, shoots, charms," and is force sensitive
it's obscene
>>64489489
So is the Millenium Falcon so fast because of the incredible pilot skills of Han or it is because of the way it has been rebuilt?
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>>64490124
>>64490024
While it is a "point A to point B" run, there are many different routes between those destinations, however the shorter ones are far more dangerous and require faster ships to travel safetly through.
>>64490030Now THIS is podracing.
>>64490124
Awwwww!
>>64490187
>ribbed or normal bby?
>>64490175
A bit of both.
>>64489717
>>64489753
>>64490127
He is alive, Darth Maul was cut in half and fell down a giant shaft and survived (canon). Luke also fell down a giant shaft and survived.
>B-b-but they're force sensitive, that's why
A character will survive if it's economically viable. No one is going to buy dead Han Solo toys, no way Disney killed off one of the most iconic characters of star wars.
There will be a masked character in the next star wars movie that turns out to be Han. Screencap this
Does this mean it's officially canon that a parsec is a unit of time and it wasn't just Han trying to impress Luke with technobabble?
>IS THERE A GARBAGE CHUTE?, TRASH COMPACTOR?
Hated this line. Of all the throwbacks to ANH this one felt the most forced and unfunny.
>>64490175
It's 'cause he's stupid as fuck and reckless and takes dangerous routes, for example, literally every time he flies the falcon.
>>64490187
so cute :3
>>64489489
12, you stupid bitch with a smile i want to eat off.
>>64490171
Had this argument with someone about her 'flaws'. They said that her flaw was nostalgia and not being able to let go of the past/her dreams.
I pointed out that, not only did that never effect the plot in the slightest (every time it threatened to do so, something or someone pulled her back before she got 3 steps), but she also lacks the basic human flaw of being bad at stuff. She never fails to do a task, she's at least competent at everything, and whenever they focus on something she does it amazingly well, better than her opponent/anyone else in the scene.
Cucks will still say she's not a Mary Sue.
>>64489489
Tell that to Kanjiklub
>>64490261
>Darth Maul was cut in half and fell down a giant shaft and survived (canon). Luke also fell down a giant shaft and survived.
But the planets they were on didn't turn into suns afterward.
>>64490059
>>64490261
>He is alive, Darth Maul was cut in half and fell down a giant shaft and survived (canon).
You mean not-canon EU crap. Spiderlegs are gone forever.
>>64490171
See, Rey is actually the one the prophecy fortold of. The one that will bring balance to the force. She is Space Jesus. She can do anything.
I can just imagine some fat neckbeard fuck nearly shitting himself and clapping his fat rolls together in the theatre for such a vague reference to the OT.
>>64490187
REY IS CUTE
REY IS CUTE
REY IS CUTE
>>64490261
This. It was a lame death 2bh. I was hoping he's going to die with style, like blowing himself up in a base being smug and shit.
>>64490357
NYUOOH MY GOOOOD HOWARD THE DUUUCK
>>64489785
Best character of TFA
>not even joking
>>64489489
cringest a scene
>>64490344
It's in the Clone Wars TV series and in Disney shit.
Sorry it's canon.
>>64490387
you're the dumbass who only likes star wars because PEW PEW EXPLOSIONS WHEEEEE
Han's death was perfect and made sense within the story
>>64490387
or dying with the falcon
you know, allauh ackbar style
>>64490357
>vague
Like all the references in TFA, it was blatant you'd think it was a Nickelodeon director molesting kids.
>>64490362
Tell that to Kanjiklub
>>64490311
b-but you only hate her because she's a gurl
>>64490261
I don't care what cartoons say. That's beyond retarded.
>>64490357
>OH YES OH YES THANK YOU SO MUCH DISNEY 10/10 WAY BETTER THAN THE PREQUELS, PLEASE PLEASE MORE NOSTALGIA
...
>"Han! You owe some money to somebody! You better pay up!!
>OMG HANS BACK TO HIS OLD TRICKS LMFAO THANK YOU THANK YOU
>>64490024
If I told you to sail from New York to San Francisco there'd be a few more variables at play than you seem to think m8
>>64490187
>you will never impregnate her to start a family
Swing low, sweet chariot.
>>64490503
New EU is only "canon" for marketing purposes. Disney still only cares about the movies, you'll never see Ahsoka or Han's black ex wife or Savage Oppress in the movies and Luke and Vader's first meeting was still in ESB
>>64490579
>Han's black ex wife
Going to show up in the next movie for catty fights with Leia at his funeral, with more Whedon-tier dialogue. Count on it.
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A
CUTE
>>64490579
Oppress is dead tho
>>64490658
A
GOBLIN
>>64490447
Care to say names?
>>64490446
https://youtu.be/DJ3ZN-AJ-fg?t=173
>>64490658
Is this shitposting, or do you actually think that picture of her looks good?
Stripped of heavy makeup and with her hair pulled back, you can see that her head is a square.
>>64490658
a horse
>>64490764
In britbongstan she is a 10/10
>>64489927
Learn your startwars bub
>>64490808
its uncanny
>>64490800
>>64490691
>>64490764
>obviously haven't seen TFA
>>64490882
>>64490658
gr8 b8 m8
>>64489887
It's a reference to a line Han delivers to Obi-Wan and Luke in the Mos Eisley cantina:
>Han: Fast ship? You've never heard of the Millenium Falcon?
>Obi-Wan: Should I have?
>Han: It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs
>Obi-Wan: ("I know what game you're playing and you ain't fooling me" face expression)
The Expanded Universe explained that the Kessel Run itself is a name for a safe flying path around the Maw. The Maw is a small part of the galaxy full of black holes, so "making the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs" it means the Falcon was capable of flying closer to the horizon of no return of the Maw's black holes, due to its superior navigation computer.
But in the original movie it was just a throwaway line shouted by Han to impress his potential costumers with false promises and lies. That's why Obi-Wan gave such a facial expression.
Both the EU and TFA missed the whole point, and made a mountain of a single grain of salt. Also, it kinda doesn't make sense that no other ship has outranked the Falcon in its record in the last thirty years. And it clearly DOES NOT MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE THAT A NOBODY LIKE REY WHO HAS NEVER LEFT HER DESERT PLANET AND HAS SPEND MOST OF HER TIME SCATTERING FOR A LIVING WOULD KNOW ABOUT THE FALCON'S RECORD.
HAN IS SNOKE
>>64490882
No, I have. She's not awful on the eyes, but she's definitely not cute. They tried to play her as a young innocent, but she's got the jawline of a prizefighter.
>>64490942
In real life, she's a slutty party girl. She called herself a hardcore sex machine too.
>>64490263
TFA is not canon and JJ is a hack that shat on everything in the OT.
>>64490800
>>64490808
>>64490870
>>64490900
So now that we've identified that she's an alien, what should the name of this smiling beast species be called?
I think they should be called theMarisueyThey are excellent mechanics, have a naturally high midichlorian count, and have been known to seduce and abduct lone stormtroopers into unknown regions.
>>64490570
Commin' for to carry me home
>>64490250
Why would you wrap it when you could inject her with a few tablespoons of the protein shake with your cock rocket
>>64490909
>horizon of no return
event horizon m8
>>64490942
>not cute
>>64491022
>American film
>Eating Japanese food
?????
>>64490494
What else would they use?
>>64490909
TIL, thanks.
>>64491015
Terrible film.
>>64491022
Anime Rey > 3DPD Rey
>>64489842
DUDE NOSTALGIA LMAO
>>64491052
Star Wars was a weeaboo movie before it was a thing
>>64489489
She has a sexy mouth
I wanna fuck her mouth
>>64491022
That is not cute. It's fucking abysmal manners, with cheeks like a chipmunk, and 'wearing hats that are too big' stops being cute once you're older than 4.
>>64489842
HAHAHA ITS LIKE THE STAR WARS MOVIE
>>64491015
Ah yeah, in Spanish you would say "horizonte de no retorno", which is roughtly translated as "horizon of no return". But now that you corrected me, I think "event horizon" is used in its direct Spanish translation too.
>>64490261
>Darth Maul was cut in half and fell down a giant shaft and survived (canon).
Darth Maul survived thanks to pure sith hatred though.
>>64490909
Yeah I'm not sure why they decided that they needed an explanation as to why Han was right as opposed to him just talking out of his ass to get a paycheck.
>>64490800
Y-Yogg S-Saron?
>>64491022
Eating like a cow and playing around like an autist is cute? Ok...
>>64491022
How sandy do you think her vagina is?
Q
T
>>64491177
>Darth Maul survived thanks to pure sith hatred though.
What kind of ass pulling nonsense is this?
>>64491211
>I'M ACTING
>>64490187
>this qt is a god-tier force user
absolutely amazing
>>64491188
Because the EU exists solely to glorify every character with even a tangential relationship to the OT.
Every motherfucker in that Cantina was secretly a galaxy-famous badass.
>>64491211
Who's the ugly boy?
>>64491230
Worked for Anakin. Hate and cybernetics will take you a long way.
>>64491132
>That is poop poopy. It's poo poopy peepee, with poo poo, and poopy poo being poop poop.
Whatever you say
>>64491249
Yeah, I know, but of course clickbait and leftist critics will defend it.
>>64491230
That's literally the same reason that Anakin survived getting his limbs cut off and being burned alive by a volcano.
>>64491291
>Worked for Anakin. Hate and cybernetics will take you a long way.
What kind of bullshit is this? Anakin was alive and conscious as his body was sizzling. Maul was chopped in half. Don't give me what those moronic cartoons say, anon.
>>64491335
Maul was alive when he fell. As the lightsaber cauterized the wound, he wouldn't bleed out, so if he didn't die of shock he could be alive long enough for someone to get him to a doctor-bot.
>>64490187
>I BYPASSED the compressor! :3
>Huh
I didn't get this part. Was Han upset or impressed by her action? Why did he react like that either way?
>>64490261
>fall down a pit
>then the entire fucking planet explodes
>still survive
I wonder how much they'll have to rape the lore to make this work.
>>64491394
Hewas on the same ship as Kylo as they evacuated, father and son lying in medpods side by side
>>64489489
THIS BE DE MIRRENYUMM FALLcon, nd u must be HON SULU innit dis means dem jedis be real
>begins mentally prepping midiclorioans to mind control stupid mantrooper, force pull mysterious lightsword that grants 420 visions and slay the evil white man who is the most feared sith at present who killed countless jedi under the nose of jedi master luke
Pity Rey wasn't in the other movies, they'd have only needed to make one
>Rey wakes up on jakku
>Finds the millenium falcon
>captured by vader upon death star
>LET ME OUT
> "oh and leave that lightblade"
>escapes with vaders weapon
>Obi wan sacrifices himself
>Rey avenges him by slaying vader after she concentrates for a few minutes while saber locked with vader
>Runs into falcon GTFO han solo im drivin
>Drops thermal detonator which blows up death star as our team of hereos live
>Guess the ball's in our court know
>HAN GOES WILD
>CINEMA GOERS GO WILD
>/TV/ BTFOOOO
>Force pull the emperor
>Emperor btfoed by rey while finn holds off 6 imperial guards before dunkin all over them
>Kill off poe, realize he's only likable character
>OHSHiT we already filmed him dying
>Surprise he's still alive
Best pilot in the galaxy saves le day LUCKY THOSE PESKY SHIELDS had been dropped by the evil feared commander
So realistic and shows how battles can and do swing!
Don't give codes > win battle, war, maintain superweapon that can wipe planets and that cozy feeling of a job well done
Give codes > Lose battle, death ball destroyed, ground forces took a hit and your lord is grievously injured
>That captain phasma is a good, well thought out character.
>>64490024
Han found a shortcut or some shit
>>64491448
this is some prime autism
>HAN? YOU'RE ALIVE? THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!
>NEVER TELL ME THE ODDS
>>64490900
FUCK YOU I WAS GOING TO BED
![Star Wars VII The Force Awakens REWORKED HDCAM ENGLISH by Jonix.mp4_snapshot_01.30.38_[2016.01.04_21.19.38].png](https://i.imgur.com/s3Qkjs2.png "Star Wars VII The Force Awakens REWORKED HDCAM ENGLISH by Jonix.mp4_snapshot_01.30.38_[2016.01.04_21.19.38].png")
>you will remove these restraints and lick my sweaty pitpussies
>>64491188
The old EU was obsessed of detailing absolutely every single element of the Star Wars universe. Have you seen that cheap looking puppet at the backgrund of that scene? That's a member of a race from yadda yadda yadda.
They also expanded single actions into entire traits of entire species for some reason.
Killing the EU was the best thing Disney did. It became a bloated unmanageable piece of crap.
>>64490141
This. I enjoy it when Han says it in ANH because I figured he was just spewing bullshit to impress an illiterate farm kid, and an ignorant old man. Now that's ruined too.
>>64491432
You know how friggin stupid that would be though? They KILLED HIM OFF. Everyone believes it, nobody questions it. It's done and people are generally ok with it.
Then they just say "nah jk" and bring him back? What would be the point!?
>>64489842
>should we shoot first and ask questions later?
>always shoot first, kid
>I guess you could say those weren't the droids they're looking for
>literally not in the movie
>>64491211
I want to marry Kylo Ren!!!
>>64491268
Daisy Ridley.
>>64489489
This line was worse than anything in the prequels.
>>64492000
I never said it was a good idea, just that it fits with JJ's general tier of writing and his history. Although it's not something stolen directly from the OT, so I don't know if it would make it past the editors.
>>64491616
>this faggot again
Do you ever sleep?
>>64490422
>not TR-8R
TRAITOR!
>>64492074
Yeah I'm not saying you thought it was a good idea. It's just the thought of that idea is so ridiculous.
>>64491699
I don't understand why people think a fleshed out universe is a bad thing. Why does it bother some people that they gave some minor characters their own backstories?
Do you people realize that Tolkien's universe and C.S Lewis' Narnia has the same exact thing? Some of the "random" orcs or Rohan knights you see in the LOTR films as extras have pages and pages of backstory.
>>64492043
>I want to marry Kylo Ren!!!
I'm not gay or anything but i'd like to make out with him
>>64489489
test
>>64490261
Han and Phasma will work together as mysterious masked warriors in the sequels. They'll have both met in the trash compactor facilities and get ejected from the Death Star before it explodes. Screencap this.
>>64492338
Hey, at least it'll give Phasma something to do. She's Boba Fett tier right now, except that Boba actually did his job.
>>64492381
Boba did his job and then fucked it up royally. Maybe Phasma will do her job in the next movies hunting Finn down.
>>64492338
That's the most probable way of him returning. Other than that, I don't see how he'd manage to stay alive.
>>64491211
>she will never look at your penis in terror
>>64489489
THIS IS THE SHIP THAT MADE THE CASTLE RUN IN FOURTEEN PARSNIPS
>>64491230
The same reason Darth Sion stayed alive in KOTOR II.
>>64492271
The problem is that every fucking character that appears on screen for even a fraction of a second all of a sudden has this super elaborate backstory and is super famous in whatever their line of work is.
Like IG-88 taking over the death star and making it sentient.
Cute
Cute
Cute
Tell that to Cutieklub
>>64493933
Well, usually people who hang out in shady bars and around villains have a story. It would be dumb to give the basement dwellers like 4chan users a backstory. They aren't seen because they don't leave the house.
>>64490024
Distance and time are the same thing. Here, listen to this: http://dl1.frz.ir/FREE/Feynman/Six%20Not%20So%20Easy%20Pieces/5%20-%20Space-Time.mp3
>>64494063
You really think the Stormtrooper who said "look sir, droids!" had to be the unsung hero of the Rebellion who was disllusioned with the stormtrooper corps and murdered his commanding officer so the Millennium Falcon could escape?
Or that the black guy with the ice cream maker in Cloud City was actually a secret rebel spy and the ice cream maker was actually a computer with Imperial secrets on it and he was running to get them to the Rebels?
or that the crazy nose guy who had the death sentence in 12 systems was actually a genius scientist who had his own army of zombies and cloned himself to escape death after being murdered by Boba Fett?
There's a difference between worldbuilding and pure autism and making everyone a special snowflake
>>64489752
It really wasn't. In the first movie Han's a nobody, if doing the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs was so great he wouldn't be. He's bragging about it because he has nothing better to brag about. With all his way better accomplishments no one would remember that shit in two years let alone twenty.
>>64492068
Tell that to Kanjuklub
>>64489717
If Leia didn't double over like she had some bad PF Changs bubble guts I would suspect he was still alive.
>>64489785
Was that really Daniel Radcliff?
>>64492037
>finally, after all these years, we have become star wars
jesus christ jj
>>64490024
Not if the Kessel Run is full of obstacles and the fastest way through it is to chart the most efficient route.
>>64492535
her job is giving a top secret codes to the enemy for no reason
>>64494244
Did you make all that up?
>>64490261
Yeah, haha, It's not like the other two first entries of a trilogy had the unexpected death of a mentor or anything
>>64491384
The "compressor" was causing problems for the hyperdrive, whatever that means. They couldn't figure out how to get around it, so Rey just tore it out.
It was a simple solution that they hadn't thought of, hence Han's kind of confused reaction
>>64494431
No, and it looks nothing like him.
Are people genuinely this face-blind?
>>64494755
Nope.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Davin_Felth
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Willrow_Hood
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cornelius_Evazan/Legends
The Star Wars EU is FUCKING DUMB
>>64489717
He's definitely still alive. Lightsabers emit tons of heat, and they'd cauterize the wound as soon as it exits the body.Of course he's dead, retard.
>>64492197
This might be the only tr-8r meme I like.
>>64490187
I don't see how you could hate a character when the actor is this committed. Well, maybe that doesn't always work but she really sells some scenes that could've flopped hard.
>>64490311
She accidently fucked up kanjiclub good
This is what runied the movie for me. All that fucking Technobabble
>>64497379
>this committed
i dont think smiling is that hard friendo
>>64490344
Yeah unfortunately no. The Clone Wars is canon.
Fucking hell Daisy is either cute, or ugly in some scenes. No in between
>>64490992
Yeeeees, let the hate flow through you
>>64490399
I spat milk all over my keyboard
>>64490141
what do you want, hes a part time archeology teacher, not math or science
test post
>>64490311
Not that anon, but:
-I don't mind her being a good ship mechanic. She makes her living as a scavenger, she needs to understand how ships work, what goes where and why, and how to add/remove components or she'd have starved already.
-I don't mind her being OK with her staff, if she couldn't defend herself she would have been raped to death/sold into slavery/both before TFA even starts.
-I am less OK with her being a capable pilot, since how did she learn that?
-Ditto lightsabre fighting, even if she was duelling a guy who got fucked up by the Star Wars version of an Anti-Material Rifle.
-ESPECIALLY ditto her mastering Jedi shit like the Mind Trick on the fly when we've seen that you need to have mastered the subtleties of the Force and practice it to get that to work. I get that she's probably Luke's daughter or was at least trained by him before being mindwiped, but who the fuck teaches kids the Mind Trick and of all the stuff that was mind-wiped, why does that come back so conveniently?
I wouldn't necessarily go so far as to call her a Canon Sue or a Mary Sue, but I think it's fair to say certain things about her character don't make that much sense and that can be irritating.
>>64490187
God I want her so bad
>>64489903
well, she did spend her entire life pulling apart crashed ships for salvage. She must have SOME knowledge of how starships run.
>>64494244
>>64495612
>it's true
>all of it
Kek this is so stupid
>>64498516
I don't think the guy who tears copper wiring off my house knows how to be an electrician
or are junkyard hobos the most tech-savvy engineers out there?
>>64490141
>what is a shortcut?
Seriously, that fits perfectly with Han's character.
>>64490024
The Kessel Run is famous because the route is littered with black holes.
The bigger the balls of the pilot the closer he will skim the black holes (and their distorted space-time) to literally shrink the distance it takes to make the run.
>>64498561
Never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread
>>64490024
the point is that han was bullshitting, just making stuff up to impress eeople
>>64498733
Take this verbal dick you little twink
>>64490909
>Famous smuggler makes a totally unrealistic claim
>The falcon making the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs becomes his unique selling point
>same guy ends up becoming a respected leader and general of the Rebel Alliance
>the Falcon was part of the destruction of both Deathstars
>Han returns to his old life as a smuggler
At this point everyone should know of Han Solo and the freakin' Millennium Falcon why would he ever stop claiming that he made the Kessel run in 12 parsecs?
>>64494299
The original script says he was "obviously lying" due to the outlandish claim. I don't think it would've been a tiny accomplishment if that were the case.
>>64498273
apparently theres a deleted scene showing her using a flight simulator in her home thing while on jakku
>>64489489
ultra qt patootie.
>>64491201
not very, after i've cleaned it, if you know what im saying
>>64489767
>i fucking hated Rey
You're in quite a small and exclusive club. Bet that makes you feel very special.
>>64498932
Maybe, if they were going to show her run complex manuevers with a big, clunky ship at high speeds and chased by two TIE's, they should have considered leaving that in
instead of their shitty ass bar and kanjiklub scenes
regardless:
>I tinkered around on flight simulator and got good with an F16 IRL
>>64498273
Go back to your prequel threads, that's not how the force works.
>>64499133
The force has never been something someone learns to utilize effectively on the fly without instruction
>>64490024
It's pretty funny, in the Clone Wars series they fix the mistake by having the correct use.
>>64499167
There's tons of shit wrong with that long post about the force and Rey but I'll just skip to the point.
Did Luke beat Vader at the end of RotJ because he practiced more with the saber since Empire? Was Luke more proficient in lightsaber use than Vader at the end of the OT?
>>64489717
>episode 8
>Rey finishes her training Luke and her go their separate ways
>Rey returns to Rebel Base
>Rey, Finn and Chewie get attacked when the First Order finds the rebel base
>trapped with three stormtroopers aiming at them
> sudden loud boom
>three stormtroopers lay dead in cloud of smoke
>Han walks out from smoke in robot legs
>cigar in mouth bow caster in hand
>"I'm getting to old for this shit"
>clapping by American audiences trigger devastating earthquakes across country
>>64499259
We don't know because we don't see every detail of Luke's training with Yoda.
We do see that he has his saber and uses it as he takes it out when facing his fears in the tunnel against dream Vader
>>64499313
Answer the question about Vader and Luke anon, don't get sidetracked with your fanfiction of what happens off screen.
>>64499259
Even after all of Yoda's/Obi Wan's training with Luke, he isn't able to resist Vader's mind reading
explain how Rey can resist Kylo with no training or experience
>>64499345
Vader is an old, mechanical and stiff man, Luke was bound to catch him in ability as he learned more
It isn't a pure case of more training always yielding better ability but it's clear that training is necessary to learn how to channel all of your skills, with guidance
>>64498740
This. Some idiot farmboy and crazy old hermit start badmouthing your ship you're going to talk shit back.
>>64499401
Vader was kicking his ass in the beginning of the fight. Stop dancing around the point that Luke used the force to beat Vader and it wasn't saber ability or technique.
What do you think Jedi training is? Do you think it's about waving around your lightsaber so many minutes a day and practicing mind tricks on your friends until you master it? That's how you practice a sport, a physical ability. That's not how the force works.
>>64499352
Kylo isn't Vader tier stupid, this is one of the biggest mistakes people make when whining about Rey. They compare her to Luke who was fighting Darth Vader. Kylo Ren is no Darth Vader, or did the movie not make that clear enough to you?
>>64499278
>smoke clears
>Han Solo wielding 2 light sabers and a pistol
>"TELL JABBA I GOT THE MONEY WE'RE GONNA HAVE COMPANY DONT EVERYONE THANK ME AT ONCE IM THE CAPTAIN THE MILLENNIUM FALCON SHE'LL MAKE 5 PAST LIGHTSPEED GET IN HERE YOU BIG FURRY OAF NO REWARD IS WORTH THIS DONT GET COCKY KID YAHOO!!!"
>the sheer nostalgia starts melting the audiences faces with pure pleasure and the only reaction they have is to clap
>>64499511
>terribly shit villain
>main protag just kind of goes along and learns the force on a whim, "it just kind of awakens lol"
thanks for sharing
shit movie, cheap writing
>>64492197
What if in the next movie there is a First Order loyal badass with a blaster scar on his back hunting Finn?
>>64499511
>dancing around
Nigga, it wasn't that we think "Rey trained less than Kylo", SHE HADN'T TRAINED AT ALL. Completely unprecedented.
Then she learns the mental parts of the Force all on her own? After Luke had to do mental gymnastics in Dagobah for the longest time to get his mind right, and still couldn't stop shit like mind reading from Vader?
They establish Kylo is good at mental force ability at least. The pausing the blaster thing, that is very taxing. He takes pride in mental interrogation. So why's she resist him at that as well?
It's just dumb
>>64491394
Kylo wasn't done being a secret resistance agent. He knew what must be fake killing his dad to keep Snook's trust. He stabbed Han in a non fatal way that was merely a flesh wound then force froze him out of sight from the others and later moved him to a shuttle. Why else showcase his unique force power so much? Also explains why he didn't kill Finn and why he allowed himself to lose to Rey
>Snoke is interested in Kylo because he's always teetering between the dark and light
>Snoke takes Kylo in and makes a bunch of clones of him
>Snoke wants to achieve balancing the force somehow by doing this
>The Knights of Ren are all just clones of Kylo
>The Kylo Ren that killed Han is the chaotic evil edgelord
>the other Knights of Ren include a "True Neutral" Kylo, "Lawful Evil" Kylo
>This is revealed after Rey confronts Kylo again and he doesn't have a facial scar and seems to have a completely different personality
>It's also revealed that Rey is a female clone of Kylo
>Rey is also the "Good" clone obviously
>The whole war was orchestrated as a way to "awaken" the force
>the is because the force apparently needs the presence of adversity to thrive, darkside and light together
>Snoke is actually the good guy
>Snoke brings balance to the force
>at the end of episode 8, Snoke puts on Vader's melted helmet and says "Now, I am Vader"
>>64499537
If you can't reply competently and actually respond to the post then don't bother.
>>64499602
I asked you a very simple question about RotJ anon and you just can't stop spilling your spaghetti about TFA. Calm down. Did Luke beat Vader because he was suddenly better with a lightsaber? No he fucking didn't, he used the dark side to start beating the shit out of Darth Vader. If there's one fucking thing the OT establishes about the force is that it's beyond the physical.
Obi-Wan and Yoda don't tell Luke the finger positions for telekinesis or the right tone for the mind trick. Every time someone is learning about the force in the OT, it's being explained philosophically. The Force is not this video game power you need a certain amount of exp to unlock. It's not that mundane. You want it to be like a martial art or a sport that you practice every day. It's more like a religion that requires faith and believe.
>>64499602
It comes so easy for her because she is darksided
>>64499777
>faith and believe.
>believe
I cocked that up
>>64499777
Why the fuck do you write like a brat? I don't have to answer your loaded questions specifically so you can respond with a trite answer, I'm not your personal strawman you faggot.
It's a religion that requires guidance and insight to master it. Not mere conceptual and cursory knowledge of its existence. Luke goes through a long journey from Obi Wan's initial guidance, to Yoda's training, to gain the connection and mastery of the Force necessary to wield and utilize its powers. These all come to a head in RoTJ, and DELIBERATELY. The mind trick, the fighting ability, it's all the product of his training and journey. Not a fucking "awakening" over the span of a day.
Even going by your logic it doesn't make any sense. Unless, we are going to make her, head and shoulders the GOATiest of GOAT Jedis of all time, able to channel the Force and any aspect of its power by merely conceptualizing it, like a joke. I'm not going to be happy with belittlement of that degree and that would clearly make her a Mary Sue.
What's she going to do in the next movie? Teach Luke how to wake up the force?
>>64499892
>What's she going to do in the next movie?
That's one of my biggest worries for the next movie honestly. Shit reminds me of DBZ and Rey just has fucking nowhere to go.
She already got off her shitty desert slave planet. She's already as powerful as Luke was at the end of ROTJ and she might own the Falcon(?). Starkiller is already blown up too and its been established she can best the villain
They can only fix it in one of two ways
>make up a bunch of new force powers to learn so she can master
>OR make Luke/Snoke fucking overpowered as shit and have them throw around star destroyers to compensate
They fucking wrote themselves into a fucking corner
>>64499892
>perfectly related questions are a trick so I won't answer them
Okay then you can fuck right off. I just though that if you wanted to talk about the force I could bring up examples of people using the force to win lightsaber fights, but actually I guess referencing examples in other movies is some kind of dishonest trick by me.
>It's a religion that requires guidance and insight to master it.
>implying Rey mastered anything
You know mind tricking a stormtrooper isn't that impressive right?
>able to channel the Force and any aspect of its power by merely conceptualizing it
Then you've completely ignored everything told to us in the OT about the force. Do you think Luke is blocking laser blasts in ANH because he got the muscle memory down after the few failures or is it because he's opening himself up to letting the force control his actions?
>>64499767
"balance to the force" isn't actually a balance between light and dark side though. the dark side is the corruption of the force, and the light side is just "normal". Balance just means light side.
>>64500025
>She's already as powerful as Luke was at the end of ROTJ
Retard alert
>make up a bunch of new force powers to learn so she can master
video game shit
>OR make Luke/Snoke fucking overpowered as shit and have them throw around star destroyers to compensate
power level shit
How about her natural talent makes her, well arrogant.
What if how easily and quickly she learns to use the force leads her to the dark side?
>>64500125
>She's already as powerful as Luke was at the end of ROTJ
>Retard alert
How isn't she? Luke doesn't do that much impressive in the OT as far as I can remember. A few flips?
>>64500075
That isn't one question in a microcosm. As we've established, this power is fucking dynamic. Regardless, it requires guidance to master, at the very least time to train and meditate.
>you know mind tricking a stormtrooper isn't that impressive right
a bloo bloo bloo you know they deliberately don't show Luke using that ability until RotJ, right?
>Then you've completely ignored everything told to us in the OT about the force. Do you think Luke is blocking laser blasts in ANH because he got the muscle memory down after the few failures or is it because he's opening himself up to letting the force control his actions?
No, it's because OBI WAN FUCKING KENOBI IS SITTING RIGHT THERE TEACHING HIM ABOUT THE FORCE AND HOW TO CHANNEL IT
And that is literally square one of his training, blocking a few blasts from a training droid
What about this stubborn, independent bitch makes you think she's got an incredibly willing mind ready to channel the Force instantaneously in a manner unprecedented before? It's not only ridiculous, it clashes with her character.
The OT had SEVERAL training sequences, and allusions therewith, making it very clear, that you needed training to use it
Fuck, Luke wasn't even done by the end of RotJ
>>64500168
He doesn't even get to do anything until he goes to Yoda's boot camp and trains under the most knowledgeable Jedi of the last 1,000+ years.
>>64500125
She's more powerful. She knows shit she wasn't even taught.
>>64500125
>>64500075
you're pretty annoying. Pretty much just nitpicking and snide responses. You aren't going to convince people Rey wasn't overpowered as fuck with respect to our other mains. She even gets everyone to love and trust her for some reason within hours of meeting them. Getting the Luke mission, why?
>>64500085
Jedi Commie propaganda
>>64500203
Here's what your post told me
>you really hate rey
>you don't pay attention to context
>you might have autism
You focus so much on the fact that Obi-Wan and Yoda are telling Luke things but completely ignore what they are telling him.
Watch Empire again so you can get over this prequel idea of force training as a literal school with daily lightsaber practice.
>>64500168
She's not choking out gamorreans with a single finger.
>>64500279
Perhaps, but that's what the prophecy really meant.
>>64500331
It is mental gymnastics you idiot
Luke literally runs around a swamp with Yoda on his fucking back
you are unbelievably dense
No, you don't just get to magically teach yourself the Force on the fly you fuckstick
>>64500248
>Episode VI
>Luke suddenly knows the jedi mind trick
What the fuck is this? Noone ever taught him.
>>64500249
Yeah I'm the asshole when no one can talk about RotJ and has to keep bringing up Rey Rey Rey. It really makes it seem less like anyone wants to talk about what the force is and how you use it, and more like people need to shit on TFA.
>>64500367
He spends a few months on Dagobah with Yoda so rest assured they went through some stuff buddy
>>64500203
>this triggered fag is still at it
>>64490024
Go from Chicago to New York
>Take Hwy x - 670 miles
>Hwy Y - 699 miles
>cut through the river and mountains - 520 miles
there you go
>>64500365
Do you think the running is some force technique?
No retard. Like I said, you focus on the superficial action without paying attention to what is actually happening.
Luke isn't practicing running, Yoda isn't conditioning him with some light cardio.
Do you think Luke standing on his hand and levitating rocks is a lesson in telekinesis too?
Rey doesn't learn shit on her own, you should leave that out as it's just an error.
>>64500371
Luke Skywalker
>has potential
>Obi Wan recruits him
>gives him preliminary training
>dies
>become his little voice in his head
>sends him off to Dagobah to train with Yoda
>luke trains with Yoda for a while
>after more training and experience, Luke is finally ready to channel the Force and face other experienced force users
that is the Force
that is RotJ
I don't know where you're getting your "it's le magical fairy dust shet you can just think about and use effectively"
>>64500383
No they didn't because that's not how the Force works.
>mfw people actually think that you need to be taught like it's Maths or something
>>64500365
>tries a mind trick out of desperation, because has obvs learned the legends of the Jedi and is aware she's probably force sensitive
>these stormtroopers are probably even more weak minded than the Empires t b h
>it happens to work for this reason
"HURRR DURRR DURRR HAO SHE A JEDI MASTER ALREDY"
>>64500437
No you need to be guided and trained because it's the actual Force and stuffs
every episode from 1-6 reiterates this sentiment
>>64500125
>Retard alert
>use mind trick
check
>beat monster
check
>not in RotJ but awesome pilot
check
>beat the bad guy lightsaber user
check
>get your shit wrecked by the big bad
has yet to be seen but probably won't happen
>get shot
NEGATIVE
>fail to resist force mind read
NEGATIVE
look likes she's slightly more powerful
>>64500383
Great fanfiction you wrote there
>>64500445
They aren't clones, they're conscripts.
Jesus Fuck, one of the main characters is a Storm trooper who develops a conscience and one of the others is a pissed guy who's mad at him being a turncoat, the most personality I've ever seen from a Storm or Clonetrooper.
Nothing agrees with you, not even this shitty movie's inconsistency.
>>64500454
When has Luke ever received specific instructions on how to use the Force?
>>64500472
Well TFA is one huge clusterfuck of a fanfic mess so it must appeal to you duder
>>64500454
kylo ren guided her, inadvertently
>>64500501
Episodes 4 and 5. I suggest watching them before entering this discussion.
>>64500488
>kidnapped as children and brainwashed for years
>One stormtrooper defies his programming.
>Another one is loyal to his programming and believes in punishing traitors for this reason
probably much more single/weak minded than anyone the Empire ever recruited, autismo
>>64500540
No, that's wrong
Really, pop in one of the prior Episodes and learn something about Star Wars before joining a discussion about it, reddit
And no, imdb synopses don't count
>>64500534
Enlighten me then.
>>64500501
He didn't
He was just told "don't trust your eyes" and "fear is bad" and "use the force bro" and then he ran around with a crazy old alien on his back for awhile
"training"
>>64500432
>Luke getting shit on by Vader
>Luke uses the dark side to beat Vader into submission
Yeah, where am I getting the idea that emotions and the force trump lightsaber experience?
>>64500471
>reaching this hard
Yeah remember how Rey was choking out Stormtroopers without any effort or was flipping around killing dozens of a crime lord's guards?
