Shots fired.
Based Cleese
>>64453949
I would like 2016 to be a year when shitty twitter post threads get no replies.
Too bad atheists treat it like a belief-system.
>>64454002
here's your reply
>>64453949
based as fuck senpai
He knows he's next and is trying to mend with God.
>>64454003
Don't you dare replying to my thread again if you aren't going to fucking contribute anything
reddit fedoras BTFO
Shots already fired in 1927 before he was born, mate.
But it is a belief system.
>>64453949
Well put.
ITT: buttflustered Christfags,
DUDE SCIENCE HAS TAKEN OVER THE SOCIAL ORDER AND UPROOTED TRADITIONAL VALUES BUT ITS JUST A METHOD LMAO
>>64454141
>>64454141
ITT: assravaged Fedorafags
>>64454141
You mean
ITT reddit rejects too proud of themselves to keep this garbage on /b/
>>64454235
>>64454278
>>64454299
Fuck! This asspain is incredible!
the belief system is called scientism
>positivism in 2016
>>64454610
scientology*
Scientific method is the method - filled with cartesianism
Science is the real life/world/universe
don't confuse the two it could save your life
>>64454235
>>64453949
Cleese is right. the global warming zealotry is just like any other religion. its based on incredibly faulty science and groupthink while its adherents try to browbeat anyone who doubts the scripture. if you think a bunch of hippies turned "environmental scientists" are a reliable group of independent and unbiased thinkers you're naive.
Based
>based
Can we all just agree that all religions are just wrong? Like... they just are WRONG. Everything all these little pleb god/gods worshiping niggers came up with is illogical rubbish, literally made up on the spot, in order to get attention or to get their little shit nigger kid to stop asking questions and go away and eat a mango or something. Of course now, the main reason any of these religions survive dis because the people are either aboriginals who haven't advanced culturally or technologically or there's a major economic/societal control aspect involved, which some small group has learned to exploit. Religions are hardly even a 'belief system' anyway, because there's nothing systematic about them. As soon as you pull at the threads that string the belief together, the whole thing unravels and falls apart. If it were a machine, it would be scrapped. This is why people go as far as to intentionally delude themselves, LIKE ACTUALLY force themselves to ignore better and more sensible explanations of phenomena, and substitute them instead with some childishly simple blanket statement, that you can't prove or dis-prove. And even if you can, you’re labelled a heathen or ‘disrespecting of their beliefs’. It’s pathetic; really pathetic.
>>64454141
>John Cleese
>christfag
>>64454779
This.
It's also hilarious to see them accuse anyone who doesn't buy into the Global Warming alarmism as a "corporate shill" as they buy any "green" product (or basically anything a corporation prints a leaf-logo on) hand over fist.
>>64454933
sure, but keep in mind that religion kept everyone in check, you need dumb people anon, the system only works if there are dumb people
Greetings friends! I recommend familiarising yourselves with two philosophers of science Thomas Kuhn and Karl Popper.
The former held that scientists hold "paradigmatic" views. An example of different paradigms are the "heliocentric" view of the solar system vs the view that the Sun goes around the Earth. Another might be the "Newtonian", "Einsteinian/relativistic" and "Quantum" views of physics. All of which have evidence in favour of them (and are sometimes consistent but hold a few anomalies) but are abandoned for a number of practical or personal reasons.
The latter, Popper, holds that science is a process of constant falsification: The positing of theoretically falsifiable propositions with only the ones that stand against criticism (attempts to disprove the hypothesis) being counted as science (until such time as they get torn down by mounting evidence).
Both portray "science" as a method of investigation and process, nobody holds a view of "the truth", the problem of induction blew that away long ago.
>>64454003
That's because atheism is a belief system.
>>64454933
>>64455121
>>64454076
Tell that to Kanjiklub.
>>64453949
FEDORAS BLOWN THE THE FUCK OUT
BRAISE JESUS
I have a friend who claims to love comedy but refuses to watch South Park, Family Guy, or Futurama. He doesn't like cartoons - thinks they're childish. But he loves stand-up, and classic comedy shows and movies.
Is he a 'real comedy fan'? In a sense, no. He misses out on incredibly funny and insightful satire and slapstick purely because he gets deterred by features of the medium that aren't fundamental, namely how it looks. But in another sense, whatever turns him off, turns him off - that just sets the limits of his taste. And as with videogames, the visual aspects of comedy aren't totally irrelevant - in a cartoon you lose nuances of facial expression and gesture, for example.
>>64454003
That's what he's saying, faggot.
>>64454141
Are you literally retarded, anon?
Whats so bad about fedoras, my wifes bf says i pull it off pretty well
>>64455326
this is pretty enlightening
>>64456053
No not at all. He has his preferences. Plus futurama is literally reddit. And most animated comedies are infact shit.
Atheists BTFO!
Climate Changefags BTFO!
>>64454002
You literally replied in one, moron.
>>64456150
what does their son say?
>>64456053
anyone who loves comedy should refuse to watch south park and family guy. futurama is ok.
>>64454702
Science isnt the "real" wolrd you deluded faggot. All science is more or less a form of measurement. Inches dont actually exsist, normdoes calories. They exist soley to serve a function. They are symbols for reality but not reality itself. If you think otherwise you are insane.
>mentioning that it's 2016
Stop fucking reminding me, you jerks
>old man is religious and illogical
breaking news
>>64456490
>John Cleese being either
god damn you faggot
>>64456451
South Park is way the fuck better than Futurama. Well maybe not the last 5 years, but overall its not even close
>>64456533
He is certainly old and a man
>>64456150
success breeds jealousy.
>>64456533
Well his tweet was extremely ambiguous, but I was just basing it off the posts in this thread
>>64456451
i agree i was just reposting shit a redditor said because it's funny as hell
>>64453949
Couldn't have said it any better. Its astounding that after all the information and technology we have around us there are still lots of stupid people that refused to learn.
>>64453949
did he convert to islam yet
>>64454773
kek
Christcucks, getting double bluffed jewed since Paul
>>64456150
TAKE YOUR WIFES SON TO SEE STAR WARS
IT'LL TEACH HIM ALL WOMYN ARE STRONK AND INSTANTLY BETTER THAN MEN EVEN WITHOUT ANY TRAINING
ALSO THEY SHOULD ALWAYS PAIR WITH NONWHITES, YOU'LL APPRECIATE THIS PROPERLY ONCE YOU BUILD YOUR KUCKSHED
>>64456620
Cleese is left of centre and has been all his life.
>supported Labour
>switched support to lib dems
>endorsed obama
>>64456620
>underage anon from reddit pretending to be smarter than a ridiculously famous person because he's old and doesn't recognize him
sounds about right
>>64453949
I don't see how the opinion on science of a guy that isn't a scientist is relevant
>>64456778
Why not? It works pretty well for Neil deGrasse Tyson.
>>64456732
I don't know shit about some celebrity's politics, I was basing my entire comment on how old he was and the reaction generated here
Also, the left hates science just as much as conservatives. Just look at the anti-vaccine and anti-GMO food movements. Both sides of the coin are illogical as fuck and only choose to support science when its an issue that otherwise fits in their worldview
>>64456812
>isn't a scientist
lol, that's rich coming from a literal nobody like you. I bet you're not even a STEM faggot
>>64456778
Word for Sagan.
>>64454779
They just want what we all want, Anon. The human race exterminated. The Earth will be fine without strip malls, plastic, etc.
like literally who is john cleese?
i really cant stand that pseudo science shit.
>>64455679
>a lack of a belief is now a belief system
>>64456885
goddamn, not even christian but neil seems like such a fucking self-righteous cunt.
>>64456927
damn
my and ys ar bron
>>64457044
so you're a muslim? that's worse mate
>>64456812
But he is a scientist, you should've used Bill Nye.
RULE #2:
All actress and actor discussion should pertain directly to their roles and careers. Off-topic discussion will be deleted.
>>64457127
i thought he was a twitter personality
>>64457127
He hasn't published anything in over a decade. And even when he was it was never ground breaking stuff, just things you'd expect someone working on their PhD to be listed as an author on.
>>64457233
>And even when he was it was never ground breaking stuff,
lol, that is not a burden you have to meet to be a scientist
>>64457168
why did you make this post
>>64457233
how fucking jelly of you with NDT that you have to resort to this kind of bashing? Are you annoyed that a black man can be rich, smart, successful and sexy all at the same time?
>>64457274
because /pol/faggots need to fuck off and leave /tv/
I find the thought of God existing to be far more frightening then if he didn't.
>>64457268
He hasn't been a scientist in over 10 years though.
>>64453949
I would like 2016 to be the year when celebrities explicitly call out Muslims around the world for following and taking literally an ideology that results in completely incomparable suffering to other human beings, and that liberals would actually take 5 min to read the facts and try to help people who actually need it.
The most vocal atheists come across as high functioning autists who take pride in being more clever than everyone else.
Miserable killjoys in real life. The kind of person who says "you know this was originally a pagan holiday" during Christmas. Can you at least try to pretend enjoying your life?
>>64455121
>using an invisible man as a moral barometer
>>64457426
Yeah, I don't think thats how it works
a scientist is just someone who understands and applies the scientific method. You do not need to be actively publishing research to be a scientist, many scientists focus on education
>>64457433
Said the rightwinger that would love to kill gay people like the muslim do
>>64457442
>The most vocal atheists come across as high functioning autists who take pride in being more clever than everyone else.
and the most vocal Christians and Muslims like ISIS and southern evangelical protestants come off so well
>>64457525
bullshit, us Christians never act that way
>>64457488
>I don't think
Well I know, and let me tell you that being a scientist means you actually do research.
"Publish or perish" is said for a reason.
>>64457315
>our extinction is assured by one
I love it when a "scientist" makes shit up and presents it as a fact. Snake oil cures everything, y'all.
>>64457525
>Christians and Muslims like ISIS
there are no christians in isis
>>64457473
God is a concept, not a man.... Fedora tipping teenage atheists like you should be forced to take a comparative religion class.
>>64457578
Well I know more, and let me tell you this is subjective semantics so shut the fuck up
>>64457578
You are just making up your own definitions. Thats not how the english language works.
>>64457628
>there are no christians in isis
and there are no muslims in southern evangelical churches, that doesn't make my statement untrue. Notice my use of the word 'and'
>>64455738
Did you chalk this up as another epic win, anon?
>>64457498
That's the best response you could come up with?
>>64455679
*tips fedora*
>>64457627
>I love it when a "scientist" makes shit up and presents it as a fact.
It is a fact that earth will one day be hit by an asteroid which devastates life on earth if we do nothing to stop it
Its very unlikely to happen soon, but this isn't just him making stuff up
>>64457681
>>64457686
>A scientist is a person engaging in a systematic activity to acquire knowledge.
So someone that does no science for years is still a scientist? Ok.
>>64457645
How can a concept get crucified?
>>64453949
settle down there Nietzsche
>>64457769
He's wrong though. Nothing guarantees that we will become extinct from an asteroid if we don't take measures against it.
It will likely happen sooner; from war, plague, famine, alien invasion etc.
>>64457769
Who do not literally have to be in the middle of an experiment to be a scientist.
>>64456826
Then don't speak if you haven't a clue what you talking about, you flaming retard.
>>64457827
Well not just any asteroid will guarantee extinction, but eventually one large enough is assured to come by
>>64457721
(christians and muslims) in ISIS
that's what you said
>>64457769
>It is a fact that earth will one day be hit by an asteroid which devastates life on earth
>It is a fact
No. It's not. It's a possibility. There's also a possibility that this will never happen.
>but this isn't just him making stuff up
Unless he's a time traveler from the future that's exactly what he's doing.
>>64457879
They are quite frequent on the lifetime of the solar system, it is inevitable that one will strike us again.
>>64457774
>So someone that does no science for years is still a scientist
Just because you are not publishing stuff in journals doesn't prevent you from being a scientists.
Also what about old people? Are you saying people have to constantly be in the lab or else they lose their ability to claim themselves as a scientist after a couple months or some other arbitrary period of time?
So long as you apply the scientific method to your observations and think logically, you are a scientist. You do not need to be actively testing a hypothesis with the intent to get a study published
>>64457879
>for billions of years asteroids strike the earth on a regular basis
>but it's still only a "possibility" that one will hit us again in the future.
Oh I get you like how it's only a possibility that the sun will rise tomorrow, technically speaking.
>>64457875
I don't think my post was ambiguous at all, and there is no plausible way you interpreted as that
>>64457879
>No. It's not. It's a possibility. There's also a possibility that this will never happen.
No, its not just a guess, it is going to happen
>>64457872
>but eventually one large enough is assured to come by
>assured
>>64457929
>it is inevitable
Once again, no. Learn to think please.
>>64457958
The sun doesn't rise, the Earth rotates (both on it's axis and around the sun). Stay dumb though.
>>64458028
>it is going to happen
You too.
>>64456736
>if someone is ridiculously famous they're inherently smarter than everyone else
seems legit
>>64457956
You literally think 'scientist' means 'ones who follows science' as if it were some kind of religion.
You are exactly the retard that Cleese is addressing.
If you aren't performing research (actively acquiring new knowledge) then you aren't a scientist. Sorry you're too autistic to understand this.
>b-b-but when they go home after work they stop
This is what I mean by your autism.
>>64454933
>religion exists to explain the material world
Man, protestants are just as dumb as Atheism+ atheists.
This website went to shit around the same time everyone started pretending to be Christian.
The worst kind of Christians too. Just in the way a 16 yr old pop-atheist on Youtube responds to everything by saying 'lol invisible man in the sky' you meme godfags respond to EVERYTHING even remotely nontheistic with 'tips fedora'. I've never seen a single intelligent theological point made here.
>>64457958
We're at the centre of the universe?
>>64458071
So its just a possibility that the earth will rotate.
>>64456638
It's almost like religion isn't the problem.
>>64458071
>Once again, no. Learn to think please
Its a statistical impossibility that one never strikes the earth again
Not sure why you are denying this
>>64458071
The Earth is being hit by meteoroids all the time. I can't believe you are this ignorant.
>>64454933
>newtonian physics was right until relativity
>relativity was right until quantum theory
>quantum theory was right until ...
science is notoriously bad at being 'right' also. and it does this whilst purporting itself to be a means of uncovering objective fact, even though once considered fundamental laws have been scrapped over and over throughout history.
>>64458182
These fedora tipping atheists with their inferiority complex are the problem.
>>64458121
>actively acquiring new knowledge
Yep, being a scientist is simply about aquiring knowledge at a personal level. If you are curious about the universe and read facts about it, then interpret those facts logically you are a scientist
You don't need to be paid to do it to be a scientist
>>64458152
>>64458071
My apologizes for using terminology that isn't completely scientifically accurate, I obviously need to check my neurotypical privilege more.
>>64453949
>implying this crumpet muncher has any credibility in his words, thoughts and ideas
next
>>64458269
>at a personal level
when did I say this?
>>64455679
>atheists will deny that
>>64457344
THATS ONLY CUS YOUR LIBERAL DEGENERACY WILL LAND YOU IN HELL :^)
>>64458028
Not necessarily dude, just because something /can/ happen doesn't necessarily mean it will 100% happen. There are many many factors that determine the course of an asteroid and many many paths that each one could take, that doesn't guarantee that one will absolutely end up on a path towards earth, or that an asteroid that hits the earth is going to inherently wipe out everyone. You also have to keep in mind that the Earth is a moving target and that, from certain angles, the moon could block the path of a rogue asteroid, which it has considering that the side of it facing away from the earth is covered in craters.
>>64458252
>science is notoriously bad at being 'right' also.
Not nearly so much as religion. Literally none of which have ever been right
The cool thing about science though is as we acquire new knowledge and evidence we apply it and investigate it, unlike the religious which literally choose to ignore it
>>64458305
Shouldn't a belief system have, ya know, beliefs in it? What do atheists believe?
>>64458252
quantum theory didn't superscede relativity, what are you on about
and newtonian physics isn't wrong, it's just a limiting case and I doubt you'll ever be in a situation where you need something more precise
>>64458296
>when did I say this?
Oh, so now you are gonna backtrack and say your statement only applies to people funded by the federal government or some shit?
You do not need some grant or fancy University position to be a scientist. You cannot just make up new definitions for words and tell everyone else to use them
>>64458252
Newtonian physics didn't go away because of relativity, and relativity didn't go away because of quantum mechanics. Its just deeper levels of understanding that show us the understanding we already posessed was not universally true.
That being said, the spirit of Cleese's post is absolutely correct. Too many people will unquestioningly accept anything with "science" attached to it. It's no different than unquestioningly accepting anything with "Jesus" attached to it. If anything it might be a little worse.
>>64458252
You really don't understand the concept of a scientific theory? How have you lived this long without being run over?
>>64458386
no but please point me to where I said it was about personal development
why do you think this new knowledge is published?
reading wikipedia doesn't make you a scientist, lol
twitter reposters are ruining /tv/
just say no to these threads
>>64458333
The only argument that you could make is its possible something else will kill us all first, which would technically make his statement false (though not in spirit). If given enough time an asteroid large enough to wipe out all advanced life on the plant will hit. Its probably not going to be for quite a while, but it is going to happen
>>64458343
That the existence of a higher power beyond our comprehension that was involved in the creation of everything we know is impossible
>>64458343
Fedoras are awesome, and Doritos and Mt Dew are the flesh and blood of Richard Dawkins.
>>64458421
The Carrie Fisher ones were fun. The rest, not so much.
>>64453949
WOW LOOK AT THIS ANTI-SCIENCER
>>64457958
There used to be a lot more loose shit in the solar system, but over time various impacts have cleared it out a lot, pulverized large space rocks into small space rocks into smaller space rocks and even into dust, some of them got blasted at just the right angle to have an orbit instead of being rogue. Every planet and every moon has probably been subject to countless collisions, leaving the space rocks on the surface either as rocks or as small space rocks or dust. This is also why the solar system is more disk shaped than sphere shaped. The point is that the chances of asteroids hitting any given object in the solar system is significantly lower than it was a couple billion years ago.
>>64458447
Try again. One can be an atheist and believe it's possible. Atheism simply entails not believing there is one.
>>64458408
>no but please point me to where I said it was about personal development
You said it was about acquiring knowledge, which is precisely the case
Please note though as you backtrack from your statement that there is no difference fundamentally between learning something you previously didn't know to learning something no one else has ever known. Science is a concept that transcends humanity, it doesn't care whether other people know a fact, you are practicing science whenever you pursue knowledge and use logical thinking to analyze it
>implying confusing creating the human models of reality via 3rd person experience (science) as opposed to living through factual 1st person experience ie living in the moment is a good way of living or in anyway going to help you become truly happy
Pre-rationalism (religion and such) and rationalism are so beneath post-rationalism it's hilarious. So called science can bring you many things but none of them are enlightenment on true reality. That you must conduct on your own, not relying on someone else's hearsay.
>>64458524
No I mean specifically about it being personal knowledge, where was that said?
Or do you not understand why scientists publish their research?
Religion is the strongest binding force between humans that has ever existed.
>>64458169
Exactly. There's a distinct possibility that the Earth will be obliterated by an asteroid.
>>64458209
>statistical impossibility
It's funny you don't know what the words "statistical" or "impossibility" mean, but your using them anyway.
>>64458230
>The Earth is being hit by meteoroids all the time.
Yep.
>>64458446
>but it is going to happen
Ah, you're from the future where this has already happened, I see. Need some winning lottery numbers, good fellow.
>>64458447
And that's it? Doesn't seem like much of a system to me, especially when you compare it to it's competitors. Where's the infant mutilation? The needless dietary restrictions? The silly hats (other then the holy fedora of course)?
>>64458388
I disagree. One is based on empiricism and one is a cool story.
>>64458524
>there is no difference fundamentally between learning something you previously didn't know to learning something no one else has ever known
there is literally a huge difference
I cannot fathom how stupid you are
>>64458516
Thats agnostic
>>64458535
If you're so keen on discarding the fruits of rationalism, you're free to shit in the woods and eat berries until you die a week later.
>>64458138
In a practical sense, yes, this was the whole basis for religion; the conjuring of supernatural ideas to explain forces, primitive humans couldn't understand. This would eventually and collectively form the creed of various pagan religions all over the planet. A common theme with all of them was that of 'offering' (food, produce, sacrifice) to gods or receiving 'punishment' (bad weather/natural disasters/random bad happenings/luck) or lack of 'reward' in the form of good crop yields (good luck, good health, ect). Morality and spirituality and concepts of the afterlife came later, as the cultures developed and become more successful and lucrative with their produce and would then be intensified as monotheistic religions grew in influence.
>>64453974
When the guy who helped make Life Of Brian/Meaning of Life has to come out and say fedora tippers are viewing science the wrong way. You know we fucked up somewhere as a society.
>>64458606
Agnostic just means you don't think you have perfect knowledge of the universe, it's got nothing to do with god.
>>64458555
>No I mean specifically about it being personal knowledge, where was that said?
You said knowledge.
Now are you suddenly gonna say you only meant certain knowledge? Only knowledge that you say counts can make you a scientists? That seems rather arbitrary?
By your new definition, if you have two research teams looking at the same topic with research coming to the same conclusion, only the group that is published first can consider themselves scientists as the second group did not advance our collective knowledge?
>>64458556
Without religion humans would have no concept of love.
>actress threads get deleted
>this shit is allowed
>>64458584
>Ah, you're from the future
You do not need to be from the future to predict how the universe works. There are many things that we know will happen or cannot happen.
I don't understand why you are opposed to this concept
>>64454003
No they don't. Some fucknuts who call themselves atheists do that. But they literally can't be atheists if treat it so.
>>64458516
>>64458650
I dunno this is better than jacking it to twelve year olds
>>64458606
Gnosticism refers to knowledge and not to belief. Knowledge is a subset of belief and thus can only be a qualifier. Anybody who's even remotely rational is an agnostic atheist and not a gnostic one.
>>64458592
Fucking idiot
>1000 is bigger than 100 therefore 100 isnt a number
>>64453949
Religion was a necessary development to promote the growth of stable societies and cultures and helped give rise to our modern world.
However it's hard to ignore the fact that religion is doing a lot more harm than good in the middle east, Africa, and parts of the 1st world where it is being used as a blunt instrument to galvanize idiots into doing irrational stupid things.
Secular countries with peaceful religions seem to operate just fine. Theocratic states are dumb as hell and I have no idea why anyone would support them.
>>64458611
>you're free to shit in the woods and eat berries until you die a week later.
Aye that he is but he's also under obligation to do so no matter how much it burns your bunsens science boy.
The fruits of rationalism have been the destruction of Western civilization as the irrational forces of Islam wait in the wings to take it's place.
>>64458606
being atheist and agnostic are not mutually exclusive
Almost all atheists recognize the impossibility of proving a god exists. This knowing that we cannot know makes them agnostic
>>64458640
Knowledge, yes. Not what a specific individual knows.
The reason why this is published is so that this new knowledge can be shared. To further knowledge is what makes you a scientist.
You for instance, are not a scientist because you read wikipedia or watch science shows. Nor is Tyson isn't a scientist, but he understands this which is why he calls himself a "science communicator".
>>64458682
>predict
>we know will happen
I'm laughing hard, apparently you don't know what predict means either.
>>64458716
It's more like
>1000 is bigger then -1 therefore -1 isn't a positive number
>>64458640
>only one paper is published on any topic
do you really have no understand of the scientific method
>>64454002
(You)
>>64458694
>I'm not like the other atheists.
Oh, I'm sure.
>>64454235
I like how someone found this picture, put it in a folder, saw an opportunity to use it, looked for it, found it, and posted it, just to prove they weren't "buttflustered"
I think they accomplished the opposite of what they intended to.
>>64458843
>drawn by a girl
>but she's not like those other girls
>>64458748
Its ok that you think like this, but understand that the english language definition of scientists does not suggest that one must be actively publishing work in any sort of time frame to be considered one. Its simply one who applies logic to their pursuit of knowledge
>>64457341
this
>>64458890
It's like pottery.
>>64458807
>do you really have no understand of the scientific method
My whole point was that his definition made no sense as it excluded exactly how science is actually done
>>64458904
Being a scientist does not mean you follow some doctrine. Why can you not understand this?
Scientists do research. Tyson doesn't, he's not a scientist. He was once, but not anymore.
>>64458682
No one is denying the possibility, or even probability of an asteroid eventually hitting the earth and doing some serious damage, but there's very sincerely no way to know that it will happen with absolute certainty. There's a ton of factors at play. Think about it. An asteroid has to be sent this way by some kind of force, it has to get from wherever it started to here without being knocked off path by any space debris or without hitting any other planets or moons. It has to be in the exact same place as the earth at the exact same time, which sounds pretty easy until you realize that the earth is orbiting the sun and the sun is orbiting the galactic center and the galaxy is moving somewhere too. It has to be on the exact right path and not be blocked by the moon, something the moon has done before judging by the craters on its dark side, because of the moon's short orbital period it's got a decent chunk of space blocked. It also has to not be too strongly influenced by the gravity of the various objects it comes close to, and there's also the fact that there are less rogue space rocks out there than there were four billion years ago.
Yeah, it could happen. There's a really good chance of it happening eventually, but it's not a certainty, and even if a huge asteroid hits the earth there's no guarantee it would wipe everyone out, since objects that big are pretty conspicuous, especially when they weren't there before, there's a good chance people would see it and we'd either attempt to explode it somehow or at least attempt to move everyone to the parts of the earth likely to be the least effected. There's also the possibility that even if an asteroid big enough makes it to the earth that everyone would already be dead.
>>64458974
>Being a scientist does not mean you follow some doctrine
If you consider logical though a doctrine, then yes it does
>>64458932
yes but you imply supporting theory is not scientific
>>64458731
>Aye that he is but he's also under obligation to do so no matter how much it burns your bunsens science boy.
Doesn't burn them all that much. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of using a computer to decry rationalism.
>rationalism
>destruction of western society
No, that's multiculturalism.
>>64459015
>yes but you imply supporting theory is not scientific
I was showing that his definition implied that, hence it was absurd
>>64459010
"If you think logically you are a scientist" - You
You're an idiot.
>>64459001
I disagree
Its like if you have a bunch of atoms of some unstable element, you take into consideration one specific atom of it, you will have no idea how long it will be before it decays, only knowing the half life of the isotope. But you know with absolute certainty that it will at some point decay
>>64454115
Based Malick
>>64459046
eh, no... he said to be scientist you must do science, this is true
you imply researchers cannot reach same conclusion independetly for it to be research but in real science this happens
you are confused about how research is done
>>64459056
If you do not think logically you are not a scientist
You do not literally need to be employed in a lab, and publishing research at this very point in time to be a scientist (though I do work in a lab)
>>64457115
Is he tweeting about himself?
>>64456460
you must confusing with religion, then you'll be right
>>64459161
You need to be doing scientific research to be a scientist.
All this because you got upset I called Tyson out.
>>64459150
>eh, no... he said to be scientist you must do science, this is true
No, he said it only counts as science if the paper you publish includes knowledge no other humans have acquired
>you imply researchers cannot reach same conclusion independetly for it to be research but in real science this happens
Again, he implied that. I clearly do not believe that to be the case as I am the one saying that making observations and/or doing experiments and applying the scientific method to whatever knowledge you acquire makes you a scientists regardless of what knowledge is held by other humans
>>64459108
There are more variables involved with asteroids and planets. The sun might just swallow the Earth up before a planet cracking asteroid shows up.
>>64459001
No, dude. Don't you understand? He's clairvoyant. He's in possession of a supernatural God-like ability to see the future.
HE KNOWS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
HE KNOWS.
YEP YEP YEP.
>>64454003
This.
>>64459030
>I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of using a computer to decry rationalism.
Using technology developed by rationalists while deploring rationalism doesn't make you a hypocrite any more than it makes Rambo a hypocrite for shooting Russians with a Russian made AK-47.
>No, that's multiculturalism.
Same shit.
>rationalists believe the universe is one giant equation that can be solved if you just throw enough math at it.
>this leads to the hubris of planned economies/leftism
>leftism leads to multiculturalism
>>64459223
>You need to be doing scientific research
So if a professor goes on sabbatical he is no longer a scientist?
Do you have a specific period of time that cannot pass between publications to maintain your standing as a scientist accord to you?
Your entire stance is absurd
>>64459108
>moving the goalpost
nice
>>64459230
if it is not new it will not be published
if it supports new research it is published
this is how science works
reddit BTFO, based Cleese
>>64459269
>reddit in candle form
I'm going to be sick.
>>64459310
How exactly did I move a goalpost? I just presented you with an analogy as the previous subject was obviously too complicated for you to grasp.
We do not need to characterize every asteroid and figure out when they will hit to know with certainty that one will someday hit
>>64459108
Okay, I see where you're coming from with this, but also it's not exactly a fair comparison.
When you were a kid, did you ever play marbles? imagine that, but every single marble is moving constantly, and there's a smaller marble orbiting the one you want to hit, you're blindfolded and told to shoot for it, you'll probably hit something, but it likely won't be the one you want. Maybe it does hit, but there's no guarantee that even after a million shots that you'll have hit the one you want.
>>64459314
Ok, thats rather beside the point. I understand how publication works though, I have been published a few times myself
My entire point though was that it is not publication that makes one a scientist
>>64459352
>certainty
Another word you don't know the meaning of? How embarrassing, senpai.
>>64459297
>Using technology developed by rationalists while deploring rationalism doesn't make you a hypocrite any more than it makes Rambo a hypocrite for shooting Russians with a Russian made AK-47.
Rambo isn't against the manufacturing of weapons by Russians, just against their existence going by your example. So no, it's not the same. If you don't like deferring to other people for knowledge, go ahead and verify everything yourself starting from the stone age. Maybe you'll get to the 15th century by the time you die.
>trying to draw parallels between rationalism and multiculturalism
There's nothing rational about multiculturalism. If anything, multiculturalism in Europe is distinctly irrational and delusional. I don't know how you made that connection.
>>64459392
>but there's no guarantee that even after a million shots that you'll have hit the one you want.
You are dramatically underestimating the scale of time and the number of possible collisions. The possibility that we dodge every one is infinitesimal unless we put some system in place to destroy or deflect them
>>64459304
If you want to get technical then when a professor goes on sabbitcal he doesn't have everything finished waiting for him to start anew when he returns, there is still work he has to do and will often work on it during his sabbatical. It simply means he isn't going into the university and/or giving lectures.
I already addressed your autism related to this point in a previous post, just because you are not doing 'activity' at that moment in time does not mean you are not an 'activity'ist/er.
In Tyson's case, he has not published in years. He is clearly not a scientist (and again, doesn't refer to himself as a scientist).
>>64459352
>We do not need to characterize every asteroid and figure out when they will hit to know with certainty that one will someday hit
Actually the thing is we kind of do, and even then there will still be variables that can alter it.
>>64453949
feminism is real, ladyboys and gentlemen.
this is womyn, hear her roar
btw if you have a chance check out this hambeast's facebook, her posts are ridiculous
>>64459412
eh, no
publication is necessary to say he is scientist
otherwise he just armchair scientist lol
>>64459476
>just because you are not doing 'activity' at that moment in time does not mean you are not an 'activity'ist/er.
But you literally just said Tyson is not a scientists because its been a while since he published something
>>64459530
>publication is necessary to say he is scientist
Except this is not the actual definition of the word. Please stick to standard english definitions, not definitions you literally make up on the spot to be more convenient for your arugment
>>64459531
That is not what I said. Read the post again.
>>64459584
you said that because it has been "years" he is no longer a scientist. This is absurd
>>64459581
pls show your definition
if scientist is not doing science... how can you say he is scientist?
>>64457044
He's even a dick to his fellow scientists.
Someone noted that he's generally avoided by his fellow peers, and usually eats lunch alone
>>64459528
OH HELLZ YAASS
>>64459463
The possibility that one will hit in general decreases constantly because there's less and less rogue space rocks as they collide into other things or get pulled into orbit of objects.
Your stance right now is like an even more intense version of that stupid infinite monkey thing. Yeah it's possible that given infinite time and infinite monkey every one of Shakespear's works would be replicated exactly via random keypresses, but it's not guaranteed and you're going so far as to claim that they absolutely will , with zero doubt, recreate every single sentence a human has even thought by the time all of the monkeys die of old age.
>>64459616
No what's absurd is you thinking you can take a 10 year hiatus, go into a completely different profession and still be thought of as the original thing. Just because a man isn't teaching doesn't mean he isn't a teacher.
Tyson doesn't practice science, he has published nothing recently. He's just a presenter with a degree.
Your argument is purely semantic and stems from not fully understand what a scientist is or does, which I have tried to explain.
>>64459647
One funny thing about that monkeys with typewriters thing is that the way they would type is only sort of random with distinct differences from being truly random. There's a case to be made that those monkeys would never write anything besides maybe one word.
>>64457044
He's a Democrat, Anon, of COURSE he is.
>>64459863
It's just like there's a case to be made that a giant space rock won't swoop in completely undetected and wipe out all of humanity before something else does it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxU2eqZtYmc
>>64454115
Hold on to your Dasein
>>64459917
?won't
I meant 'might not'
>>64459001
wew autism
>th-the false vacuum could collapse so absolutely nothing is certain ever
the earth getting hit by an asteroid is as certain as tomorrow's sunrise
it will happen eventually, it is inevitable, it is a certainty, it is guaranteed
>>64459863
wait isn't that the joke? that through evolution the monkeys locked in the room eventually became human through fucking and shakespear actually did write shakespeare?
>>64460003
The joke is that Shakespeare didn't use a typewriter.
>>64458876
>says the guy obviously triggered by it
>>64454933
You may have a fat ass, but you need to shut up.
>>64459640
she changed it for all 2 beta orbiters that liked her
>completely off topic flame bait threads like this get left up for hours
>baneposting threads deleted immediately
why are the janitors such hotheads?
>>64459056
>>64459161
>If you think logically you are a scientist
>If you do not think logically you are not a scientist
Second poster, you try to justify the first remark in light of the second. However, on closer inspection this does not follow. The second sentence, if true, means only that if I do wish to be a scientist I had better think logically. It does not say, however, that if I think logically I thereby become a scientist.
The second sentence argues that logical thinking is what is often called a 'necessary condition' for being a scientist; it is NECESSARY that I think logically to be a scientist. You will note that we are not also arguing here that this logical thinking is alone enough to cause me to be called a scientist. For instance, we could think logically, but still require some quality, x, to be considered a scientist.
Just thought you might like to know this handy little argumentative tip.
P.S.
You could still argue for the first statement, but at this point you would simply be positing that thinking logically is both NECESSARY and SUFFICIENT for one to be called a scientist. You would have to make further arguments for this position, however, as I have demonstrated that one does not logically follow from the other.
>>64459528
>>64459640
>>64460275
I like how many likes it has for each post
>>64460307
>THEY DO IT FOR FREE
Do mods ever do their fucking job?
>>64460409
Would you do a job well you didn't get paid to do?
>>64460463
It's not likely they have anything better to do.
>>64458343
Yeah, atheist believe there isn't a god. Notice the "believe' in there?
>>64460275
>>64460331
>>64459528
>/tv/ and film
...meanwhile the sound of a million actress crying out in terror
>>64453949
im not sure who hes criticising
>>64460409
>the earth is 6000 years old
>>64459528
my fucking face
>>64458708
>Knowledge is a subset of belief
Literally what? Knowledge is the opposite of belief.
>>64458716
>>64458799
Come on, if you want to check atheism against a religion, just do your ABC's.
Assure
Believe
Convert
Religions assure salvation, religions believe in a precise theology, religions convert nonbelievers.
And outside of the fucking fedora tippers (and those aren't even really atheists, just fucking virgin lowlifes) none of those fit to Atheism
>>64463729
Knowledge is a flawed concept based on the belief that what your senses tell you is how your senses tell you it is.
