We owe him a huge apology, guys.
We didn't know it would get this bad, we didn't listen, we just put our fingers in our ears and shouted lines from the Plinkett reviews, fully unaware of the hidden genius that was the Star Wars Prequels.
>>64409824
die you fat fucking slob
>>64409852
Relax fatty
PLEASE COME BACK GEORGE
>>64409852
Calm down, JJ
>>64409824
George Lucas finally got what he wanted to begin with though.
Someone else to write and direct his Star Wars movies.
>>64409947
These arent "his" Star Wars movies, these are Disney's cash grabs
>>64409824
Just watched the new one again, it's fine. It's not the best movie of the year that the hype is trying to fool you into believing but it's better than the prequels.
JJ has done his classic method of near constant action to distract from the plot holes and lazy plot coincidences that would ruin the film if you had time between action to think on them.
The black guy is not good enough, ever time he needs to convey fear/intensity/anger he just hyper ventilated and shrugged his shoulders quickly.
The silver giant storm trooper lady is only there to set up a future franchise spin off/sequel appearance and is basically a pointless charachter.
The ginger general is hammy and is too young which feels like he was cast because they want to have him available for the million sequels they plan on.
The bad guy is good, again feels like there was age related casting again but the character is basically a emo fag so it fits well.
Good guy ace pilot guy is pretty good but his character doing a Snake Pliskin was fucking shitty and hacky scripting.
Old cool guy was great, why did they have to do that.
Old lady was barely good enough to be there, she can't emote enough, why not do that thing to her?!
The good girl is much better that t black guy but the whole she-knows-how-to-do-all-this-shit-already made her a lazy Mary Jane player which ruined it a little again.
The fucking bullshit super death star was fucking stupid, just bullshit rehash. The power of it and how it was used did work by injecting much needed desperation stakes that felt absent.
If it wasn't for the very good action this film would be less than half it's runtime and would show it up for the very safe soft-reboot that it is.
Empire Strikes Back was Shakespearean.
Pic is what ROTJ should've been. A massive drama that tears Luke apart.
>>64410750
I yeah and that final scene, Jesus.
Rey, luke, Rey, lightsaber, luke acts, Rey waits, luke acting harder, stupid helicopter shot, luke acting nearly to death, scene.
Complete fucking stupid failure of an attempt to build to dramatic ending.
>>64409824
People say his dialogue was bad, but I don't mind it. It's like watching a movie from a different time. Method acting is fucking awful for movies, I appreciate the different approach.
>>64411254
Faggot. New Hope > Jedi > Empire I bet you don't even like Shakespeare.
>>64409824
Should have gotten JJ to advise him in making it. He's always had the general idea for making a good movie, and JJ had the idea for some of the specifics like not going overboard on obvious CGI. Maybe he could have kept Lucas grounded while Lucas provided the framework for a good movie that he never had.
>>64409890
WE MISS YOU
>>64411686
>>64409824
'no'
>>64412689
>TFA was my first Star Wars film ROFL XD LOL I'm such a nerd guys ;P
I'm actually working on a screenplay that mirrors the tragedy of george lucas
Its about a fiction writer who makes a brilliant book/adapted movie that is a huge monetary success but makes a poorly recieved sequel. He then sells out to the corporations but regrets his decision and rights a thinly veiled unnoficial sequel that becomes a sleeper hit and divides the fan base between the creators sequel and the corporate sell out sequel.
It challenges us to ask what's more important for a film series to have that brand name legitimacy or being truer in spirit to the craft
>>64412823
Do it
>>64412823
>tfw this is brilliant and would reedem george like killing sheev redeemed anakin but it wont happen in real life
>>64409824
HOLD ME LIKE YOU DID ON NABOO
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>>64409979
Dont kid yourself. Star wars has always been a cashgrab.
>>64412823
Still waiting on that sleeper hit that divides the fanbase
>>64413115
> taytay will NEVER step on your balls
just die in my sleep already
( ._.) ( ;_;)
>>64409824
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>DEFENDING THIS TRASH
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>>64413219
>generic action movie rehash of the original is acceptable because there's less awkward dialogue
very compelling
>>64413282
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>>64413115
You mean Episode 3?
>>64411686
It's Jedi>A New Hope>Empire
Empire a shit it's just overrated because of the whole "I am your father" shit
>>64413219
>You saw me like nobody ever saw me before
>Thank you *turns emo and kills Han*
this is just as shitty
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOUR FAAAAAAACE?
>>64413282
It's true though.
>>64409824
Who the fuck is Plinkett? Why do memers spam posts saying the prequels were shit with his name?
The prequels are and always have been trash.
>JJ has done his classic method of near constant action to distract from the plot holes and lazy plot coincidences that would ruin the film if you had time between action to think on them.
>>64412734
>>64414949
some internet reviewer who did some popular reviews
somehow the defenders think that a popular review about a shitty movie is what makes people think the shitty movie is shit
its basically a shitty trolling tactic desu senpai
>>64410750
>very good action
>pointless slashing, shooting or flying with no tension
The prequels had better action. At least you didn't go "...that was it?" after every fight.
Nah.
Fuck him.
Fuck him. Fuck his lazy filmmaking. Fuck his shit writing. Fuck his hack directing. Fuck his lack of vision. But most of all
Fuck you and fuck your intentional shit posting. You know just as well as I do that the prequels are an abomination and that TFA is better. Fuck this contrarian meme bullshit.
Fuck.
>>64414998
I was thinking about this after the movie
Why was there a map to Luke? Who made it and when? Why? It's in 2 parts?
It reminded me of the "prophecy" of the prequels that made no sense and was never explained
>>64415228
No. At least the prequels were entertaining. Worth watching again. TFA may have been "objectively" better, whatever that means, but it fails as entertainment, as art, as anything but a shameless cash grab. It tries so hard not to be shit it forgets to be good.
when's the day of the rope /pol/? I'm getting tired of your butthurt
>>64415294
I do give Lucas some props for the prequels just because they were original
During TFA I was just bored for so many parts because it was just trying to be ANH again and give drooling fanboys exactly what they wanted
>>64415494
>original
yeah bring back cgi c3po head on a battle droid and dexter jettster
>>64415294
>entertaining
You know what, you're right. It does have some entertainment value. It's about on the level of The Room with its choice of dialogue and direction on the delivery of said dialogue, and that movie is hilarious.
>>64415494
Originality is meaningless without quality to back it up. I took an original shit earlier, but you don't see me trying to profit off of it.
>>64415700
it must disgusts you that Lucas always pushed technologies further with each star wars, setting new standards for the whole industry all by himself. Something your jewish darling JJ will never be able to do.
>>64415641
At least the fights and the settings were original.
VII had
>tatooine rehash
>yavin/endor rehash
>hoth/death star rehash
>absolutely retarded CGI monster scene
>trench run rehash as finale
>boring lightsaber fight where nothing interesting or original happens
The two shining moments of innovation and tension were when Finn's turret broke - forcing them to actually deviate from an otherwise typical dogfight - and the trooper pulled out a tonfa, and the latter moment was instantly memed to death.
>>64415271
That's what a macguffin is
>>64409824
I dare you to find a single good "George Lucas" movie whose quality can't be attributed to the other people who handled production aspects instead of him
>>64416039
Mac guffins, like sith, always come in 2 now?
>>64409824
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_iSQ65ZDAE
>>64415930
I don't remember mos eisley cantina being blown up
>>64415923
Do you think pushing technologies further has anything to do with the quality of the narrative?
>>64415930
The lightsaber fight between kylo and finn was good, especially when he burnt his shoulder with the side blade that was pretty brutal for a Star Wars flick
>>64416211
I think it must hurt your jewish feelings. Speaking of quality of narratives, fun fact: episode's 4 script written by Lucas is studied to this day in most screen writing classes and universities across the globe. It's usually praised for how efficient it is.
>>64416402
Do you mean the original script or the final film which was saved in editing?
>>64415923
He is still on time, now that that useless kike is away , he can take command and fix the series.
He is the hero star wars deserves, the only one who will do the choice disney won't make, the right choice.
>>64416472
you do realize that in such places they in general study at least 3 variations of the script if they are available, if not more, and not just a single one? In the case of ANH there are almost all available to study, all thirteen or so versions of the script, which makes it a fascinating journey into the developing process of a scriptwriter tbqh. Another aspect that popularized it's study actually.
So what the fuck was your point again?
>>64416784
The better question is what the fuck is yours? You're trying to say that Lucas was a genius yet the film was significantly changed in 13 script rewrites overseen by other people? If anything that works in my favour calling him out as a glorified ideas guy who needs other people to do all the real work in order for anything he makes to be a success
>>64409824
We couldn't have anticipated it. But yes, we need George to put together the basic story, then other people to clean it up into something better.
At the end of the day, George knows what Star Wars is better than any of us.
>>64409824
>tfw I always appreciated all 3 prequel movies
Wish i hated on the prequels instead so I'd feel like I deserved this hell. It's like not voting for Obama and still having him ruin the country you live in. Which also happened to me ;_;
>>64416887
Just because he "knows" what it "is" doesn't mean he knows what's good for it, the prequels make this clear
you could take out the base elements like a love story and space politics and make an interesting drama, but george lucas couldn't be the one to write it
>>64415930
not really the city chase in aotc was a rip off of blade runner and the colloseum battle was a rip off of gladiator.
some of the action was cool but it was all cgi and lucas had nothing to do with it.
>it's a remake of a new hope
so what, that movie is old as shit.
>>64416848
I didnt say he was a genius, but you're on a roll here trying to convince us that he's the plague incarnated, while you clearly have not really a clue of WTF you're talking about. Cinema is a collaborative process in case you didn't notice, no one does anything all by himself. You should come down from your hipster artsy SJW pedestal and get realistic here instead of spouting biased BS.
What are you saying? That Lucas didn't do everything all by himself? Do you think Kubrick did? Or Alfred Hitchcock? Do you think Myazaki draws every single frame in his movies too?
Even the greatest painters in the fucking Renaissance had students helping them on paintings. But Lucas in cinema? god forbid! what a hack!
Lucas is the most successful independent director cinema ever saw, he literally said fuck you to the director guild and the Majors, and went to create his own studio investing his own cash. These are indisputable facts. But you are blaming him because he didn't do everything all by himself? Seriously? Are you 16?
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>>64417416
Is english not your first language? Do you fail at reading comprehension? I'm not saying lucas should do everything himself, I'm saying that "his" best movies are the ones where he was hardly in charge of anything and other people took over
Compare the prequels which were written/directed by lucas himself to Empire strikes back which was directed by Irvin Kershner and written by leigh brackett and lawrence kasdan, with Lucas just providing a story outline. I shouldn't need to tell you which one was better.
>forcing this "the prequels were original, therefore they were good" meme
>>64417752
>I'm saying that "his" best movies are the ones where he was hardly in charge of anything and other people took over
Which is factually wrong. And is further proven to be utter bullshit whenever those "other people" try to create something without Lucas' oversight.
>>64417854
Name one George Lucas movie better than Empire Strikes back (which he only executive produced and did not write nor direct)
>>64417896
the script was already written before ANH came out
Just a couple of my many problems with TFA:
All the spaceships were minor upgrades of earlier models.
What little new architecture that was there was OK, but we have a WEAPON THE SIZE OF A PLANET & that's all we get to see? It's equatorial belt was made of massive walls hundreds, of kilometers deep and that was all we got to see?
>>64417971
No. His basic story outline was written, not the 2 hour long script.
I repeat, name one George Lucas movie better than Empire Strikes back (which he only executive produced and did not write nor direct)
Also, I just finished watching American Graffiti for the first time. All the human interaction, including the casting, dialogue, acting were totally on point. So what the hell happened with George between that & the prequels? Did he have some sort of stroke we weren't told about?
>>64418077
THX-1138
>>64418077
>Name one Irvin Kershner movie not Empire Strikes Back that was good
You can't
>>64417896
>Name one George Lucas movie better than Empire Strikes back (which he only executive produced and did not write nor direct)
(1)Contrary to what is believed, an executive producer, not a director is the singe most important role in making of a film. He is the highest authority on everything, who greenlights or vetoes all major decisions, controls the money, and can override, or in extreme cases even fire a director and a scriptwriter.
(2)Sure: A New Hope. The franchise-starter is better than a sequel by default, because without it the would be no sequel.
>>64418111
Explain how it is better, because you certainly don't have public opinion on your side
>>64418077
? all of the prequels was also done
>>64417896
THX 1138
>opinions
>>64418157
>The franchise-starter is better than a sequel by default, because without it the would be no sequel.
But that's not how film analysis works you subjective prick
>>64418077
THX-1138, American Graffiti, A New Hope.
George was truly a wunderkind. We thought he could do no wrong.
>>64418162
Are you suggesting that before A New Hope came out Lucas had written the final plot lines for the prequel movies, even though they hadn't decided for anakin to be darth vader until several years later?
>>64418161
You haven't even seen it have you?
>>64418192
American Graffiti was actually good
George is actually quite creative
nothing like JJ
>>64409890
This. I never thought I'd live to see this day come.
>>64418220
I repeat - Explain how it is better, because you certainly don't have public opinion on your side
I don't know why you guys are hating on JJ so much, I thought he did a great job on episode 4
>>64417752
>directed by Irvin Kershner and written by Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan
None of which ever accomplished anything worthwhile or even remotely noticeable without Lucas. The only reason Kasdan is still remembered at all is that he managed to cash on TESB's glory to get into TFA's team. And TFA's script is objectively a hot steaming pile of shit, between being massively derivative, two plotlines crammed into one movie without any consideration, loose ends all over, and numerous idiotic moments happening SOLELY for plot convenience: the heroes on the Generic Forest Planet somehow seeing the destruction wrought by the Starkiller. Total absense of security on the First Order base (on DS I the villains wanted the heroes to escape). Falcon hyperspeeding right under the shield - sure doing that instead of going on a near-suicide mission with an infantry squad would have been handy on Endor! Shields on the Starkiller that can be turned off by a random infantry officer and cannot be turned back on from the main bridge. No fleet protecting the Starkiller (DS I was expected to be on a little more than a shakedown cruise with live fire exercises, the only problem with the Rebels was supposed to be finding them). No fleet attacking the Starkiller, just because they wanted to replicate ep IV point-by-point. Etc, etc.
>>64418294
here's your (You)
>>64418285
>thinks THX-1138 isn't held in high regard
You realize that when the first Star Wars came out in 77, people thought Lucas sold out with frivolous fantasy while the real Lucas was shown in his first two movies.
>>64418382
he is a redditor, he must've been 10 when he watched TPM
>>64418285
More visionary, less commercial, not compromised to sell toys, more adult. And self contained narrative.
>>64418382
Spielberg was the only one who liked ANH when Lucas showed it for the first screening.
Once again, Spielberg is confirmed for Based
>>64418462
>more adult
Ah yes, what a fine and educated movie for mature adults such as yourself
you've sure convinced me
Oh come on how can you not like Hermione Skywalker? She's great even though she is obviously going to be doing some coal burning on the dark side.
>>64417971
>The franchise-starter is better than a sequel by default, because without it the would be no sequel.
are you fuckin retarded ? Just cause a movie started a franchise doesn't mean it's automatically better than its sequels you dumb shit
