I've been working on a Blade Runner philosophy paper throughout the last days, and holy fuck, I had almost forgotten about how fucking amazing this move is. The city, the characters, the soundtrack, the drama, the reflections on personal identity... 10/10 movie. no less.
Which begs the question, how bad will Ridley Scott fuck it up in Blade Runner 2?
>>64401988
Blade Runner 2 will be just like Prometheus. It will have amazing visuals and cinematography, but the plot will be full of holes and ruin the universe.
Is Deckard a mary sue?
>>64401988
>I've been working on a Blade Runner philosophy paper throughout the last days
Nice meme degree faggot
>>64402051
No, because he won't live. But then again, who does?
>>64401988
He can't fuck it up as bad as the sequel books already have
>>64402132
>okcupid
You sound like a huge faggot tb.h f.am
>>64401988
Denis Villeneuve (Sicario, Enemy, Prisoners) is directing BR2
>>64402259
>at the end of the movie harrison ford is revealed to really be aspider.
>>64402256
>thinking I made this image
Stupid frogposter
Post best lines.
>Let me tell you about my mother
>>64402334
>she was a drinker
>and a fiend
>>64402387
>and a good friend.
>>64402035
This. Can't say the casting of bland one-dimensional Gosling fills me with much confidence, or that Canuck fag directing.
>literal sfx showcase movie
>people who exist who think it's amazing and deep and worth philosophical exploration
Literally lmao. As in my ass is over there now.
>>64402511
>baiting this hard
>>64401988
I'm more interested in your paper (phil major here). What are you writing about, and have you finished the paper yet? Conclusions/arguments/abstract etc you can share?
>>64401988
here's a great analysis of the film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVUjHTwIPvY
>>64401988
That's not what begging the question means
>>64403053
It's more of an expository paper than anything, not exactly going for an argumentative work. Just writing and developing on the philosophical problems featured in the film, mostly on the issue of personal identity. It's in Portuguese, by the way.
Where are you from, philbro?
>>64402886
how delusional can you be that you cant even entertain the possibility that its nothing special?
Shitty overrated movie. Boring as fuck and long as shit, just like your paper will be.
>>64403704
Just like your life.
>>64403579
Swedish, but currently living in Amsterdam. High as fuck on MDMA right now.
Studied ethics, pol science and aesthestics in sweden. Done most of my studies on meta-ethics and problem of free will, mainly.
Shame you don't write it in English, would have loved to read it otherwise (if you were selling to send, but that is irrelevant now since I don't speak portugese :)).
>>64403622
>delusional for having an opinion that is substantiated by hundreds of academic works on the philosophy, psychology and sociology of Blade Runner
Sure, neo-noir might not be everyone's cup of tea, but there are some genuinely fascinating questions in it, even if you don't like the genre. I don't think there is any other science fiction movie that is seen as genuinely textbook for contemporary philosophy and philosophy of mind in universities.
>>64403773
Willing*
>>64403800
Just out of curiosity, what other movies do we have? Watchmen is one, I can imagine. Bergman movies probably?
>>64403773
Nah, I'm still a sophomore, my paper isn't nowhere on the level of quality required to be read internationally. This one in particular is beyond dun goofed, I gotta finish it fast and start another one and study for an Epistemology test, all until Monday. Maybe when I get a degree and aren't such a fuck up in my studies?
>>64403800
2001 for singularity, Inception and Persona for perceptive experience, but Blade Runner is the one we talk about the most. Not surprising too, considering how it compacts most of what we talked about during classes.
>>64404212
Thank you.
Alot of my earlier papers were not intended for international audiences either, but when 95% of the philo material you read is in English, it is hard to find the same common expression and terms in Swedish. It was just easier for me to write in English from the get-go.
You should consider doing it if your English is good and your profs don't mind. Will help you prepare for your real papers later.
Just finished reading 2001 the book by Arthur C. Clarke. Kubrick's movie was actually better.
>>64404493
I've considered doing that, actually. One of the modules will be entirely lectured in English, so I might as well do so for the final paper.
I read the book back in high school, the movie is indeed far better. Clarke seems far to obsessed with explaining everything, the surreal feeling Kubrick gave it works far better story-wise.
>>64404908
Exactly. There are pages upon pages of explaining everything. Fuck.
>>64402496
>Gosling
>bland one-dimensional
Go watch Half Nelson, Blue Valentine and Lars and the Real Girl.
>>64405025
Yes, exactly the type of one-dimensional performance one expects from this Mickey Mouse Club faggot.
>>64401988
>>64402035
>directed by Denis Villeneuve
>cinematography by Roger Deakins
>starring Ryan Gosling
I doubt it'll come close to matching the original movie but it'll definitely be better than most pointless sequels. At least Ridley Scott has assembled talented people to work on it.
>>64402259
I found this movie to be awfully boring
>>64404931
Why did you choose to get into philosophy, by the way? Are you looking to follow an academic life in it, whether as a teacher or a researcher or writer or similar? I feel obliged to ask this because, while I really want to get a degree in philosophy and possibly a master if I get the time, my interests aren't all academic, I'm an aspiring director and what I really want is to substantiate my work with philosophy. Is this a bad idea?
>>64402496
>Gosling
In his defense, both Rick Deckard and "real human bean guy" in Drive are both seemingly bland one-dimensional characters who eventually have a strong internal conflict to them. Humans being depicted as mostly cold and ironically lacking humanity was an important statement in Blade Runner, Gosling seems like a fitting actor for those standards.
>>64405104
Kill yourself.
Gosling is a replicant who is sent to hunt Deckard
Calling it now
>>64403800
Philosophy doesn't work that way, anon
What's the best version of Blade Runner?
>>64405329
THE FINAL CUT
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>>64405215
My aim is to be a researcher, doing ethics work mainly.
What you write makes sense. A shitload of lawyers for example have double degrees, starting out with philo and then choosing to go into law where the philo background helps alot.
There are other areas besides law however. But yes, if you do want to do something other than philo, you usually need to complement your philo studies with either real-life work or another degree.
And fuck it, you're young probably. Doesn't matter if you fuck up now. You got time. Do what you enjoy and want to do.
>>64405406
My idea is to complement it with real-life work, find some intern slot in a studio or else and work up my career while also directing some low budget indie on the side with the acquired knowledge. But yeah, who knows how much I'll fuck up, being reminded about how it's the ideal time for that only cheers me up. Thanks, anon!
>>64401988
>I've been working on a Blade Runner philosophy paper throughout the last day
lel enjoy flipping burgers
>>64405839
Not going to happen, neckbeard
>>64402334
Gives me chills every time.
Self-bump because I fucking love Blade Runner
Can someone explain Blade Runner to me? I just don't get it.
Why are there replicants?
Why did they come to earth if there is no way to extend their life?
Why send someone to kill them if they're gonna die on their own anyway?
Does anyone have that pic with a fake blade runner quote on it? It's of the the tears in the rain scene.
>>64402259
Why does /tv/ like Denis? His only good film is Sicario. Prisoners was a mess and Enemy is a bad flick only liked by pseudo intellectual tryhards.
>>64408632
Prisoners was good and Incendies is awesome.
Shame you don't have taste
>>64408533
>Why are there replicants?
They are created to do dangerous off-world labour.
>Why did they come to earth if there is no way to extend their life?
Same way humans try to extend their life when diagnosed with terminal disease; the lack of acceptance of their fate.
>Why send someone to kill them if they're gonna die on their own anyway?
Because, as we see in the film, when they arrive on Earth they can be problematic.
>>64408702
>Because, as we see in the film, when they arrive on Earth they can be problematic
Okay, but they KNEW they arrived, why not hide from them until they die?
>>64408802
I don't get it.
>>64408612
It's something like "what's really the difference between a robot and a human"?
>>64408864
Why live in fear and hide when you have a solution to that problem? They're men, not slaves.
I know Deckard drinks Johnnie Walker Black but what other drinks does he have during the film and was he an alcoholic?
>>64408952
Vodka?
>>64402428
>and a big guy
>>64409257
>and a real human bean
>>64402511
i never got what people saw in this movie, compared to other great scifi. maybe reading the book first ruined it for me because i didn't really find anything interesting in this movie that hadn't been made obvious by experiencing the story through the book first. it's pretty, at least
I've been having a lot of trouble reconciling the fact that the man who brought us Blade Runner also brought us The Martian. It's depressing any way you slice it.
>>64409341
Yeah I have a friend who's not really "into movies," but he's read a bunch of sci-fi, including Androids...Electric Sheep, so he just thought BR was OK. If you're exposed to those themes a lot before you see BR, the subject matter would probably not be as interesting.
I haven't read really any sci-fi and really enjoyed BR.
>>64409341
Great visuals, great dialogue, great score, quality acting, iconic characters. We can argue the plot might be thin and the themes it addresses aren't explored as much to make it a truly 2deep4me film, but for over 30 years it is talked about, and studied and watched over and over again.
>>64409513
Is Scott really as great as he is made out? Sure he's delivered some great films, bit his misses far outnumber his hits.
For me, his greats are: Blade Runner and Alien. His good films are KoH: DC, Black Rain, Black Hawk Down, The Duellists and Gladiator. Hannibal is a guilty pleasure of mine, I think it's very much underrated, but nothing else he has made is anywhere near these.
need more beauty shots from this masterpiece
>>64409951
How about the trailer? Great use of Mansell's The Fountain score
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NXKv_gJjI0
>>64409571
To be honest, and even as a big Philip K Dick fan, I think the movie was better than the book. This is mostly due to the amazing cinematography, imo.
>>64410043
seen this film god knows how many times and yet that trailer still gave my shivers
>>64410211
It's a bloody good trailer. Can't think of one as good as that.
>>64409798
Alien and Blade Runner mean he will always be remembered. They aren't enough superlatives to heap on them, but after watching The Martian the idea that they were coincidentally great seems more valid, and it makes my heart hurt.
Did anyone ever play the vidya that was on the PC? Came with about 4 discs? It was a decent point-and-click adventure
>>64410378
He seems like he's comfortable just to be working and being on set given his regular output of almost a film per year. He can shoot a film, he just seems to have no eye for a decent script.
>>64409798
He definitely sets himself apart for his attention to visual detail and the overall look of his films. The visual aspects are done excellently, and sometimes complement the themes and characterization very well.
In the films that aren't very good, it's usually because of flawed story, editing, and dialogue. Maybe he underestimates the importance of these aspects. He's a great artist for sure, but only sometimes a great director.
The way I see it, there are two ways BR2 will go:
>1) Soft reboot. Repeats the original movie in a slightly different setting, using almost the exact same set-pieces, character tropes and plot twists as the original. Probably a bit more fast paced and heavier on CGI
>2) Goes fuck all and offers a VFX showdown, filled with action and tons of CGI and little to none of the content that made the original Blade Runner good
If it follows the trend set by Prometheus and The Force Awakens, Blade Runner 2 will most likely go by the first option, which is essentially the safest and most dull way any director can pick.
>>64401988
>In philosophy
>Incorrect usage of "Begging the question"
That's one of the major logical fallacies, and one of the first things I learned in Philosophy. What kind of shit community college do you go to? Must be REALLY shitty if you're doing it on a movie that's based on a book.
>>64411512
i think many would want it to be safe but i dont see the director theyve got going for the easy option, he will want to put his own print on it
>>64411735
But he's not writing it, Fancher is. Villeneuve is just a hired hack.
>>64411861
Fucking don't ever respond to me again br scum.
>>64411608
Engrish is not my first language, I begging my forgiveness. We simply call it "petição de princípio" (from petitio principii) here, I've always seen "Begging the question" in English as "premisse X presents a set of possibilities that lead to think about premisse Y".
>>64411942
>>64411968
And I'm Portuguese, pham. Not BR.
>>64411857
and ridley didnt write the first one
>>64412039
o.
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>>64412039
t. Alberto Barbosa
>>64401988
probably in a similar way that Prometheus got criticized for. because too much time has passed and the cult followers will be unsatisfied however it turns out
>>64412072
So why exactly are you expecting Villeneuve to "put his own print" on the content when he's not involved in the writing?
He'll copy Scott's visuals and Fancher will write a safe script.
>>64405025
>>64405104
You're both arguing, but I'm going to defend you both.
Gosling has a bit of dimension beyond "pretty boy" but it's not much, but that's perfect for Blade Runner. Harrison Ford's Deckard isn't exactly layered; what you're looking for is a competent, moody, brooding, silent type who looks as if they can handle himself.
And that is entirely in Goslings wheelhouse, he cares about his projects and I think he'll actually do pretty well with it.
>>64410388
I've been eyeing it to download, but I haven't pulled the tigger yet.
>>64411512
I'm hoping for a resurgence in practical effects, for as much CGI was in The Force Awakens there were a ton of practical effects. I'm hoping, at least for the appearance of semblance and continuity with the original that they go with practical and try their best to emulate.
>>64413546
I know someone better:
Keanu Reeves
It's brilliant casting. Amirite.
Film or movie?
>>64414485
Fuck off, those definitions are bullshit.
