>Just saw TFA
>Realize that anybody saying that this is worse that the prequels is legit 100% shitposting
>>64364725
Shitposting: The Shitpostening
>>64364725
it's worse from a certain point of view
>>64364819
From my point of view, the prequels are worse
It's high ground, then.
BRAAAAAAAAAAW
I too enjoyed A New Hope.
You fall for the ol' tape-beard trick every year anon
when will you learn?
>>64364725
V > IV = VII >= VI >= III > I > II
>>64364725
I agree
>>64366435
Was waiting to dog on you for ewoks, but this is legit.
>>64364725
No shit.
I think TFA is without a doubt better than the prequels, but respect the prequels more for at least trying to tell a different story. Instead TFA just gave us the first movie in a new lens.
>>64366435
The most absolute meme ranking. You can literally look up this exact thing in the archives and see hundreds of post parroting the same exact thing.
>>64366629
"TFA is just a New Hope" is a fucking meme
there are some base similarities but what's actually going on with the characters is entirely different
>>64366435
I'm still not too sure if 7 is better than 6 but other than that I agree.
>>64366629
>but respect the prequels more for at least trying to tell a different story
Why is that worthy of respect? They did a different story, but utterly failed do be any sort of respectable flick.
It isn't hard to be different. It IS hard to be a well crafted flick, which TFA was.
>>64366686
I respect a failed attempt at something new more so than a successful copy of something.
Just how I feel. I would still rather watch TFA more than any prequel movie because it is without a doubt better, but at the same time I cant watch it without feeling like the whole thing is a lazy success.
>>64366566
Why are you so obsessed with reddit?
>>64366754
So every shot, costume etc with tons of love and effort put into them are not worthy of your respect because the basic plot outline behind them is "lazy"?
>>64366653
Or it could literally be a ranking that makes sense.
I dunno. I came up with this ranking in my own head on my own so.
>>64366685
Only reason I say so is because VI has some blunders whereas VII plays it kinda safe and executes better.
The ending of VI is much better than VII but of course it also had 2 movies of buildup to it, so take that as you will.
>>64366794
I didn't say I did not respect TFA. Like I said, its a good movie. I just found it to be very very lazy and uncreative. It feels super manufactured and focus tested to the tiniest detail. Its like they said "what do Star Wars fans want" instead of "how can we actually surprise Star Wars fans with something new."
It all feels quite pandering, and at times just stupid.
>>64366934
Kylo Ren's negative reception by normies is exactly why they didn't do "new things"
>>64364725
Fuck off with the starshit spam.
>>64364725
Tell it to kanjiklob
>>64366988
I have some faith in Rian Johnson as long as Disney isn't keeping him on a super tight leash which it doesn't seem like they did with JJ.
JJ just kinda chose to keep it to "what do star wars fans want" rather than surprising us.
Hopefully Rian can do something that surprises us and leaves us in amazement.
One can hope!
So i asked my retard friend to give his stupid fucking ranking of the movies and here's his dumb opinion:
VI>III>II>I>VII>IV>V
For frame of reference, VI is his favorite because "they finally end the empire" and IV and V are last because "it doesn't feel like star wars"
>>64367094
>IV and V are last because "it doesn't feel like star wars"
BUT THEY DEFINED STAR WARS
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>64367094
Did he watch prequels first? LOL
>>64367094
>because "it doesn't feel like star wars"
K E K
this argument confirmed for retardation
>>64367094
>IV and V are last because "it doesn't feel like star wars"
>>64366988
My favorite parts of TFA are Poe and Finn because they feel like new characters. A storm trooper tired of the life and a charming rebellion pilot should have been the main characters, cause that is something new. Instead we get Fem Luke and a rehashed plot.
>>64367214
Nobody likes the OT because of Luke
>>64367161
Yes, we were born in 95 but I guess he didn't watch the original trilogy till after. Actually I know he didn't because in middle school he was bragging about getting to watch the movies in correct order.
>>64366435
I'd definitely agree with that
>>64367241
My favorite part of the OT is Luke training with Yoda and coming back as a Jedi in the 3rd movie.
In the first movie Luke is just there while Solo and Obi Wan carry the movie, but by the 3rd movie Han Solo is pretty much nothing.
>>64364725
Watching 4>5>2>3>6 made the movies better.
Not quite Godfather 2, but still.
>>64366435
I'd go
V > IV = VI >= VII >= III > I > II
>>64367358
>movie with actual cinematography and acting = to Episode III
>>64367418
>death star 3, solar boogaloo
>>64367358
>4/7 of the series is equal in quality
>mfw
>>64367464
>concepts and ideas in a trash movie make it better than an actual movie
>>64367498
It copy/pasted ANH, and it doesn't have Sheev, therefore it can't be better.
>>64367577
nice Meme
>enjoying shit movies because "durr dey r original!"
i got the perfect flick for you
>Just saw OP's post
>Realized that anyone saying he's not a mindless consumer plebeian is legit 100% shitposting
Daily reminder that if you are treating the OT like a cinematic masterpiece and consider the prequels to be shit tier, you are a moron. Star Wars never had a good plot, great character development, or great writing. It was merely a set of films that had cool shit like spaceships, lightsabers, and laser beams. That's why it caught fire in the 70s and 80s not because of the ~complex characters~ and interesting plot lines.
>ESB had a boring and shitty middle act
>ROTJ was not that bad.
>ANH was basically one big gimmick that capitalized on Flash Gordon and became a global phenomenon.
>TPM was never going to live up to the hype that autist set for it.
>AOTC was not that bad
>ROTS was a pretty decent film.
If you go into a Star Wars movie expecting deep shit, you are a fucking retard.
On that note, TFA was a competent and fun movie just like all the other but the most derivative one I have ever seen and not needed. For that reason, I consider the prequels to be above it.
>Droid get this message to (insert name here)
>Droid wanders Tatooine/Jakku
>Native stumbles on droid
>Native goes on adventure
>Oh shit death star/starkiller
>Wise one dies
>fuel for the following movies
>>64367616
Flicks are for people who enjoyed TFA.
>>64367778
>I'm a faggot
we know anon
>>64364725
tell that to the kanjiclub
>>64367778
absolutely spot-on. The prequels and TFA are not as bad as people make them out to be. Although I can see their flaws, they seem to not be up to the "standard" that /tv/ and other places try to have them live up to. The OT is still good, but overrated. The PT and TFA are average.
>>64364725
No you're just retarded.
Rey is a Mary Sue, the same plot is used, and none of the fights are epic.
>>64368285
>mary sue
>that means the movie is bad
tv confirmed for SJW tier reasoning skills
>>64366394
kek
>>64366794
> tons of love and effort put into them
lol more like
>tons of thought put into them by business people sitting around a conference table figuring out how to be as inoffensive and appealing to the widest audience possible
>>64368766
>conspiracyfags
kek
>>64367778
>>64367778
Why didn't they just mass produce a bunch of Greviouses with artificial-crystal red lightsabers to lead the droids into battle against the jedi
>>64366988
So you concede TFA is an attempt to sell a movie with the Star Wars brand to as many people as possible by painstakingly removing most anything the average movie goer would receive negatively?
>>64366867
doesn't the ending of VI invalidate the entire plot of VII tho?
I mean, they beat the empire. The Rebels totally routed the them.
>>64368790
>thinks having a job important enough for meetings is a conspiracy
fucking NEET
>>64366310
Well, then you are right!
>>64368740
>claims it's a copy of a new hope
>has shit from empire strikes back in it
try to make your arguments less flimsy
>>64364725
I would never say it's worse but I don't think it's a huge leap forward that completely salvaged the franchise.
>>64366653
>using meme as a placeholder adjective
how meme of you
>>64366988
Kylo Ren is a rehash of Anakin! Moody, mopey, and petulant. the only difference is.... well i don't really have one to give you.
>>64367140
my thoughts as well
>>64368790
>crafty business people who work for a movie studio figuring out how to make the movie make more money = conspiracy
Are you drunk?
>>64368959
youre butthurt that its mostly factual and only point out the small amount of ESB references to make yourself feel better. I didn't make the image, but it shows how the plot was just a rehash of the best parts of the OT
>>64364725
The prequels at least will be remembered by how horrible they were.
TFA was just mediocre, it felt more like a special, or a spinoff, and not like a main entry.
>>64369064
>>64368938
More conspiracyfaggotry
>>64369372
>The prequels at least will be remembered by how horrible they were
>grasping at straws this hard
>>64368959
>>64366435
V>IV>VI>VII>III>I>II
Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
Don't you ever post in my fucking thread again unless you're contributing to it.
5 > 4 > 6 > 3 > 2 > 7 = 1
>>64369583
My point is that TFA is quite forgettable and some things make me scratch my head, like how it's supposed to be a big deal that the First Order destroyed the Republic, even though the only look we had at the Republic itself was 5 seconds before they were destroyed.
They should have spent some time showing how the galaxy was after the destruction of the Empire.
Instead, we are just thrown right into the next big conflict, and it almost feels like what happened in Episode 6 didn't change anything.
There's a new Emperor, there's a new Darth Vader, there's a new fleet, there's a new Death Star, the Rebellion is still a bunch of guys even though they liberated the galaxy and are the reason the new Republic existed.
>>64369648
>>64369660
VII = ( .75(IV) + .15(V) + .10(VI) ) / (The Hunger Games * Mad Max: Fury Road)
>>64366435
Replace >= and = with strict > and this is accurate.
>>64369712
Its just garbage writing. They just weren't concerned with quality. Their dominant priority was shoehorning SJW bullshit in, instead of story, history, dialogue, context, etc
>>64369783
On that note, >= doesn't make sense. How can a movie be greater than or equal to another? It's one or the other for these.
>>64368854
>Rey's cousin
subtle troll
>>64364725
Haha Worse?! NOO WAAAYY! The Force Awakens in theaters now in 3D is flipping awesome dude haha. Such an amazing story and great diverse cast. I've seen if three times already and I just can't enough of it haha
>>64366435
Only a cuck thinks TFA is better than Jedi
>>64369712
>>64369803
>>64368285
>virgins who are mad that TFA exceeded expectations as one of the best Star Wars movies of all time, possibly better than ROTJ.
>kek
>>64369712
>Forgettable
Then perhaps it is just a difference of tastes then. I find TFA supremely more enjoyable than the 'best' moments in all of the prequels combined
inb4 le ebin reddit maymay
>>64366435
The ONLY acceptable order
V > IV > VI > III > II </=/> I >>>>>>>> VII
>>64364725
TFA is far greater than the prequels. It even supersedes the vision of Lucas's original trilogy with dazzling bravado. The vision is staggering, the performance are first rate, and brings back the glorydays of 70's new Hollywood for a brand new generation. And if anyone thinks I'm a shill I assure everyone in this thread that no one at 20th Century Fox paid me to post this.
>>64369975
get a load of this faggot
>>64370030
prove me wrong
>>64369997
Where did you copy and paste this from?
How much does Disney pay you shills?
3>6>5>1>4>2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>7
5 > 6 > 4 > 3 > 7 = 1 > 2
5>7>6>4>3>2>1
>>64369850
Rey is Luke's daughter silly
>>64370246
>>64364725
you are full of shit OP
TFA is the worst movie i've ever seen
>research something for yourself
>form your own opinion
>realize /tv/ is just shitposting
Welcome to real life anon, I think you'll like it here. /Tv/ is entertaining, but a terrible place to read opinions. Even if someone genuinely believes the shit they spew, it's because of mental illness or personality flaws. You can tell because they aren't criticizing anything, they're just finding one thing to parrot so that it spreads to other shitposters.
>>64370363
You must be a film major
>>64370363
you haven't seen the prequels then
5 > 3 > 6 > 4 > 7 > 2 > 1
>>64370488
Pretending episode 3 is somehow less shit than the other prequels movies is the new meme
It's going to be the opening for more shitposting that the prequels weren't that bad
>>64370246
This is my opinion too.
>>64370642
Pretending the OT doesn't have most of the flaws that the prequels have (albeit to a lesser extent) is just straight up willful ignorance. There is shitty dialogue, nonsensical character interactions, bad acting, plot holes, etc. The prequels, and especially Sith, are far better when it comes to story and they introduce a lot of great concepts, flesh out the world, have some great action sequences and don't rehash the tired dynamic of heroic freedom
fighters vs evil tyrants.
>>64370894
>when it comes to story
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
H
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHA
AHAHAHAHAHA
TRADE NEGOTIATIONS, YOUNGLINGS AND MIDICLOREANS
HAHAHAHAH
>>64366435
Empire > Wars *power gap* > Jedi > *power gap* remake of ANH > Sith > *power gap* Clones = Phantom
>>64370894
>dynamic of heroic freedom
>fighters vs evil tyrants.
There's LITERALLY TERMS TO DEFINE THE GOOD GUYS AND BAD GUYS
BAD GUY = SITH
GOOD GUY = JEDI
>>64370973
Trade negotiations are mentioned once. Midichlorians are mentioned three times. You people are really stretching, especially since the originals recycled a plot that's been around since the fucking dawn of time.
>>64371133
As opposed to "Empire" and "Rebels"? Or "Light side" and "Dark side"?
The first two movies were trash, but there was more emotion in the last 15 minutes of ROTS than there will be the entire trilogy of this soulless money-printing garbage.
>>64371145
>mentioning something somehow negates that it's the entire basis for the film
You people are really stretching
>>64371201
I didn't say anything about comparisons. That person made a false statement about the prequels that I corrected, that has nothing to do with the original trilogy
>>64370488
Whats so good about episode three that makes it better than almost all of the following episodes besides 5?
>>64371212
>I HAVE THE HIGHER GROUND
So much emotion
>NOooooooooooooooooooo
You're right man, that was some emotional storytelling. Bravo George
The further I get from TFA the more I hate it. It was really not a good movie.
>>64371285
Better than
>I AM SERIOUS JEDI TAKE ME SERIOUS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
and that vacant stupid look of Luke wondering how he got roped into making these terrible movies.
>>64371239
The point is that midichlorians are totally irrelevant to the plot. Sure they're stupid but they are easy enough to ignore, and if they weren't mentioned the plot wouldn't be any different. The trade negotiations are also incidental, they are just an excuse for Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon to become involved in the plot. Phantom is clearly about Anakin's origins, not trade negotiations.
>>64371261
I think it has the best storyline of any of the movies, not to mention great visuals and score, plenty of memorable moments like the opening battle and order 66, and generally nailed the whole "space opera" theme better than any of the others.
>>64370304
>got hit twice by the training ball before mastering the force and deflecting it while blind
>talks to r2d2 magically halfway through the movie when hes in his xwing and understands him
>luke literally took on a whole storm trooper squad by himself in the deathstar
>got out of every situation, jumping from one platform to the next with rope while killing storm troopers
>shot down tie fighters with ease first time gunning a turret
>blows up the deathstar and takes out multiple tie fighters first time piloting the x wing
>literally channels the force to blow up death star like it was nothing
is this picture bait because they are both mary sues as fuck
>>64370894
>There is shitty dialogue
Only in IV, which was written by Lucas.
>nonsensical character interactions
Elaborate on this.
>bad acting
Everyone in the OT was, at the very worst, passable. Hayden Christensen and Jake Lloyd were truly terrible.
>plot holes
Not really.
>The prequels, and especially Sith, are far better when it comes to story
Haha
>introduce a lot of great concepts, flesh out the world
A world built by the OT and which the prequels try at every turn to undermine.
>have some great action sequences
The only great action sequences are the dance numbers at the end of each flick. Nothing else in the prequels even compares to, say, the Death Star run.
>don't rehash the tired dynamic of heroic freedom fighters vs evil tyrants
The archetype of the fallen hero is even older and more tired.
>>64366867
I'd say VI's high points (space battle and Luke vs Vader) are enough to put it above VII. TFA was fine but it was just a flat line the whole way through.
the only decent thing about the prequels was ewan mcgregor
I felt like he was the only one trying to act in that movie and is a total bro, kinda felt bad for him surrounded by hayden and portman
>>64367241
You're kidding right? Luke was great OT. He goes from a whiny bitch to a confident Jedi knight. He has the best and most clearly defined arc in every movie. Luke literally saves Return of the Jedi from being complete shit because all of his stuff with Vader and the Emperor is so good.
>>64371112
you called ep IV "Wars" and then "ANH"
what
and phantom is an adjective
you are retarded
>>64368740
Rey doesn't meet Han until after they escape jakku. True comparison tho. >>64369946
THIS
>>64371520
>Only in IV, which was written by Lucas.
Because scruffy looking nerf herder is cinematic gold right? Not to mention there are a few scenes in Jedi where Luke's dialogue is just weird. It's stiff and awkward and doesn't feel like something he'd say. In particular I'm thinking of the scene where Luke meets Vader on Endor, the acting and dialogue in that scene is just bad.
>Nonsensical character interactions
Luke's reaction to Obi-Wan's death makes no sense, since they barely knew each other. Vader fails to tell that Leia is force sensitive despite trying to read her mind. Leia forgets about her home planet and everybody she loves being killed in five minutes. Luke also forgets about Owen and Beru five minutes after they die. Also Vader's redemption comes out of nowhere. It's not even hinted at in any of the other movies that there is any good in him until partway through Jedi when we're suddenly supposed to sympathize with him even though he has been a bad guy through and through for two movies already. Then he suddenly decides he is good with only about half a movie of build up.
>plot holes
Why did the Empire let the escape pod get away? Why did Leia go back to Yavin knowing that they had been tracked? Why didn't the Empire just blow up the Yavin itself before destroying the Moon? Why did Ewoks beat the Empire's best troops? Most importantly why does Luke embracing the dark side automatically lead to him becoming the Emperor's servant? What is to stop him from killing Vader and the Emperor out of rage and hate?
>Action sequences
The saber battles are entertaining as fuck, and the ground battles are in general superior imo. Only Hoth comes close to stuff like Geonosis. The space battles in the OT are generally better, but even then the opening of ROTS holds its own among them.
>The archetype of the fallen hero
True, but the manipulation and deception of Sheev is a great plot element, and is far more interesting than anything in the originals.
>>64371610
He was great. Pic related is the only instance of emotion and weight in the entire trilogy, at least in regards to acting.
>>64369975
BEHOLD THE TRUTH LAID OUT FOR ALL TO SEE
>>64371436
hey faggot you just got raped:
>>64371952
>>64371436
>got hit twice by the training ball before mastering the force and deflecting it while blind
He only succeeds after some guidance by Obi-Wan, it's not like he did it by himself
>talks to r2d2 magically halfway through the movie when hes in his xwing and understands him
The x-wing has a droid translator you stupid fuck.
>literally channels the force to blow up death star like it was nothing
He would have died if Han had not shown up to distract the TIE fighters.
I want TFA apologists to leave
>>64372391
Virgins, all of them. Thirsty fucking virgins. Thirsty for shit SW movies as they are for fat ugly girls.
>>64371952
Spot on. I get what they were trying to do with Rey, but her victory by the end didn't feel earned because we never saw her struggle like Luke did.
What should have happened is that Rey only used the force when she was pushed to her absolute limit and when she did use it, she didn't have much control over it. The idea that the Force was awakening in her would still have been there and it would have been reserved for the climax of the movie. She wouldn't come off as wish fulfillment since it would have only happened after she was put through hell.
>>64371990
>Because scruffy looking nerf herder is cinematic gold right?
It's literally one of the classic lines of cinema. Han's response to it borders on genius, simultaneously serving to define his character (stuck up and half-witted is okay, but scruffy-looking crosses the line) and his relationship with Leia.
>dialogue is just weird...stiff and awkward
I'll admit parts of Jedi weren't all that great, but only parts. In contrast, a good majority of the prequels' dialogue is weird, stiff, and awkward.
>Nonsensical character interactions
Those are good points, and thank you for actually elaborating. The only thing I can say is that Lucas tried to give the first Star Wars film a mythological sort of feeling, and so he focused more on the structure of the plot than on the characters and their actions/motivations. You're right, of course, and a lot of the character interactions do seem nonsensical, but, again, that's only in Episode IV.
>Also Vader's redemption comes out of nowhere
I can see why you'd say that, but I feel like we know there is good in Vader because he's Luke's father. He is defined by his relationship with Luke, and since Luke is good some part of Vader must also be good. I think that's what Lucas and Kasdan were going for, anyway.
>Why did Ewoks beat the Empire's best troops
Lucas based the Ewoks on the scrappy Vietnamese soldiers who held back the invading Americans.
>why does Luke embracing the dark side automatically lead to him becoming the Emperor's servant?
Presumably, once Luke takes that first step on the dark path the emperor will be able to control him with dark magic or whatever. I don't think this is a plot hole so much as it is something left to interpretation.
>Geonosis
I youtubed Geonosis because I couldn't remember the fight and it took me a good 10 seconds to realize I was watching a scene from the Clone Wars cartoon and not Attack of the Clones.
>the manipulation and deception of Sheev is a great plot element
I do agree with this.
>>64372557
>Spot on
Special thanks to a /tv/ anon over the weekend posting it in one of a billion SW threads, I just slapped it on an image
>>64367778
This, people just parrot the opinions of 35-40 year olds blinded by nostalgia.
>>64372682
>It's literally one of the classic lines of cinema.
III>VI>V=IV>I>II>VII
I like endings. especially when there's a big build up, like the Clone Wars TV show.
>>64372692
Big thanks man. Let's keep this up I'm saving them all
>>64372799
Action-adventure cinema nigger not cinema in general you knew what I mean.
>>64367778
TFA has a serious tone issue, though. The Star Wars saga has a certain feeling to it, a weight. It's an epic poem in film form, with all the clunky, overwrought melodrama that comes along with it. TFA seems to have deliberately thrown all of that away in favor of being an action comedy, and in so doing it sacrifices a fundamental part of Star Wars' identity, part of what sets it apart from everything else out there.
I quite like the prequels, but TFA just kept driving me away with its cynicism. It keeps trying to come off as self-aware, and that's just so wrong for Star Wars.
The best example of this, and the one that pissed me off the most, was right at the beginning of the movie.
>"Why are you helping me?"
>"Because it's the right thing to do."
If they had just cut there and moved on to the next scene, allowing that to set the tone for the rest of the movie, it could have been amazing, but no, they had to go on to
>"...You need a pilot."
>"I need a pilot."
Fucking WHAT?!? You don't throw away a dramatic moment like that for the sake of a joke when you're trying to tell a heroic epic. Save that shit for the Marvel movies.
>>64364725
>I enjoy
>Disney
>taking my money
>because it's fun and nostalgic
Would someone make a gif of JJ and Lucas heads on anakin and obi wan in episode 3 when they're just twirling their sabers around.
>>64371436
>luke literally took on a whole storm trooper squad by himself in the deathstar
Vader literally ordered his troops to let them escape, and not kill them. So they could be tracked to the rebel base.
>>64373052
nice post
>>64374218
TFAcucks full of shit aren't they
>>64371436
>luke literally took on a whole storm trooper squad by himself in the deathstar
If by "literally" you mean "never", then yes. Luke was never alone at any point on the Death Star, first infiltrating alongside Han and Chewie to get into the detention block, then in the trash compactor with Leia and Han and Chewie, then paired up with Leia for the rest of the escape, running and shooting, with most of his shots being misses that just sort of keep the stormtroopers' heads down.
At the chasm, he stupidly shoots out the panel, fucking the bridge over, then hands the gun to Leia to cover him while he gets ready for the big swing scene.
The only character who ever encounters a stormtrooper squad by themselves is Han, who immediately turns right the fuck around and runs away.
Luke does get the drop on several troopers after Ben gets killed, firing at them before they know he's there, and killing another one or two even after they start shooting back, but nothing like what you're talking about.
>>64373032
I think you're right that there was perhaps a bit too much comedy in it but I didn't think that any of it was too wide of the mark.
>>64367778
>review thing
>don't have anything to say about thing
>do that thing where you generically list things
>fail to say anything
>thing sounds boring
>thing reviewed
though I agree about the OT
>>64371436
This is a list of false talking points the paid Disney shills are using for their disinfo guerilla marketing campaign. Keep seeing it over and over everywhere.
