ITT things that ruined the prequels
george lucas
>>64363387
this
Always bugged me that robots couldn't aim with perfect precision.
>>64363368
>>64363387
>>64363421
They literally had ONE job.
>>64363387
George Lucas is a saint
>>64363387
this. up until tfa ye hated him too
plinkett
>>64363368
memes
>>64363368
Why do they speak English to each other?
Go fuck yourself, roger roger.
Loved these guys.
>>64363368
Why dont they have their guns built-in?
When Padmé, Cpt. Blanaka, and the Jedi escape Naboo, they use guns taken from battle droids. Those things are so fucking worthless.
INB4 jar Jar Binks
>>64363368
Spinning
>>64363368
did they get a single kill in any of the three movies?
>>64363421
The jedis cut them down.
Like butter
No but seriously though I had a million of the Acton figure of these guys
>>64364595
>>64363368
Still the best army in the movies.
>killed more jedy than anyone else in honest combat (no Order 66 cheat)
>kept the clone busy for years
>could actually hit people
>defeat the gungans with no problem
>only lost because Sheev orchestrated the entire war to end that way
meanwhile Stormtroopers
>can't anyone
>killed no Jedi
>lost the Death Star two times
>couldn't even defeat ewoks
>couldn't even stop the rebels from escaping Hoth
>>64364963
>defeated the gunguns
>>64363368
>>64363387
reddit has ARRIVED
>>64363578
>>64363368
What do you mean? Those things were one of the few things good about the Phantom Menace. The way they deployed and fought was quite unique, but Lucas made them too clumsy and non-threatening.
>>64365178
I thought they were goongas?
How do Jedi block droid blasters if they cant precog where they will shoot? Theres no force in droids
>>64365535
this. great from a design perspective.
Too much CGI
>>64363368
Return of the Jedi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiDRgDmXGi4
V>IV>VII>III>II>I=VI
>>64365713
Tell that to Kanjiklub
>>64365613
>Theres no force in droids
Actually Yoda makes it very clear that everything in the universe is a part of the force.
>>64365678
He gave them cartoon voices, instead they could have been communicating to each other in an encrypted data link networked with sensors from command and surveillance platforms to completely dominate the fucking battlefield.
Instead we got the robotic version of Sith Lord Binks.
>>64365613
fast reflexes
there's people that have trained themselved to be able to deflect shots from arrows with their hands so it's not that far fetched for star wars
>>64365613
Blaster bolts only move at around 100 mph. It's possible for a baseball player to deflect something like that with regular consistency. Space wizards are just near perfect at it.
>>64365787
How many midichlorians are the combat droids manufactured with?
>>64365796
Star Wars is fantasy and for kids. The droids are a good example of that.
>>64365844
am I being trolled? xD
>>64365809
>Blaster bolts only move at around 100 mph.
You've got to be shitting me. A pro baseball pitcher gets to that speed.
You're telling me that advanced space warfare is conducted with the equivalent of thrown darts?
>>64365809
No a blaster bolt hits the target almost instantly the bolt is just some gas or some shit following the actual plasma
>>64364963
>lost the deathstar
>only 2 times
>>64365787
So theoretically a courtesan on Coruscant's three-frilled Thoethian Spice Dragon dildo is part of the Force? So in A New Hope, when Obi-wan's Force-ghost tells young Luke Skywalker to use the Force... Why is Star Wars metaphysics so lewd?
>>64366001
That may be the lore but you can't tell that watching the films. It looks like they are trying to deflect the lasers.
>>64366043
apparently
it goes
>the actual force>living beings>inanimate objects>everything else
I like battle droids, they're generic fantasy mook hordes but in space
They even look like skeletons
>>64365796
from a story perspective, the droids weren't supposed to dominate the battlefield. It would make sense for palpatine to make sure they were made faulty
>>64363368
The audience.
>>64366441
do you mean gook? cuz the irish arent shit like those droids
>>64366774
>gook hordes
that's a different genre altogether
>>64365911
But kids during the 90s wanted more Darth Maul, less droids.
I was a kid in the 90s. It was the era of WWF Attitude. If they had scrapped the droids and replace them with a huge Sith army, that would have improved the Prequels a lot.
Having weak, useless droids as opponents of a strong Jedi order pretty much made the Jedi a bunch of Mary Sues with no proper opponent.
Lucas saw what kids liked in 1989 and tried to apply them to 1999. It did not work.
If they do want droids, then it should have been Terminator-types who have the ability to imitate Jedi behaviour.
>>64364633
They massacred like 200 jedi in AotC
Shitty Acting from 99% of the cast
>>64367059
>ALL the actors were bad, not the direction and writing!
>>64363368
ahhh, blast em!
>>64365796
holy shit that is an amazing painting
>>64367560
Meh. Was hoping one of the cats had a banemask or something worthwhile. 4/10 would not look at again
>>64367560
L O N D O N
![yodaprepares1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/976gtnz.jpg "yodaprepares1[1].jpg")
Lightsabers. The laser light show the PT killed off all the mystique and coolness of the weapon. The thing was more useful than a swiss army knife, solved every problem, and everyone that had one basically used it in every scene they were in. I wasn't hyped for the lightsaber fights in TFA because I was tired of watching these battles.
Pic related is what did me in. After watching that, I stopped giving a crap about Star Wars.
I dunno, I liked the TF droids. Maybe because I liked playing as the TF faction in a SW RTS game I had.
>>64368535
>TF in a SW RTS game
Why have I not been made aware of this
>>64365787
Maybe they can see themselves in the future with blaster wounds on their body and then they can infer where to move their lightsaber based on this. or maybe they're space wizards and they can do all kinds of shit.
>>64363368
Love the battle droids. Loved all the Trade Federation designs.
>>64368678
They have the GOAT theme too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtP5lSQgll8
>>64368762
This reminds me. Does anyone remember any of the original pieces from TFA?
I felt like Williams phoned it in.
>>64368762
Fuck, I'm gonna have to watch Phantom Menace again.
>>64368874
Why? That movie is a steaming pile of garbage.
>>64363368
I loved that design you are awful die in a firey pit of pugs
>>64368762
This theme was never in the movie. It even says so in the video.
>>64363368
>They really are pretty useless, and the Jedi cut through them like butter
>>64368899
Because it has good music and ship/droid designs. Also, it's no worse than TFA.
>>64368915
It was, though.
>>64368953
No, it's definitively worse in virtually every measurable aspect.
>>64368915
It was, just not labelled as "TRADE FEDERATION THEME"
>>64369043
Factually and conceptually incorrect, familia.
>>64368866
Duel of the Fates is perhaps his best work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzVBqBosf5w
>>64363368
>shielded droid that is so OP it forced two of the strongest jedi's to run away in fear yet aren't regularly used because they're too good
10/10 writing
>>64369043
fuck off Disney shill
>>64369043
Better music, better alien/ship/droid designs, not a complete rehash of episode IV.
Sorry, bud, but you're plain wrong.
>>64369078
Nope.
>No Jar Jar
>Likable characters who make decisions that make sense
>No stupid cirque du soleil fighting
>No stupid pod racing
>No stupid droids
>No gungans
>No Jake Lloyd
>No Natalie Portman
>No tonally disconnected four-way conclusion
>No midichlorians
>No stupid prophecies
>No blockade scene
You're wrong. Just accept it.
the design was awsome but they really were kinda useless
I owned a toy though and it was the only star wars toy I ever had (not counting one small lego set)
>>64369157
>it doesn't have all this shit in it
That's because TFA is an empty film m8
>>64369157
>no natalie portman
>>64365929
Just look at how fast they move, it's fairly slow.
>>64368866
He probably had like no direction other than "make it epic and star warsy" while lucas probably gave like 20 pages about what he wanted for each track.
>>64365730
this was added in the '98 special edition...
>>64369218
Nah.
>likable characters
>a plot that makes sense
>well choreographed fights that convey the characters' emotions
>interesting camera angles
>naturalistic acting
>>64369219
She sucks in those movies and you suck too if you like her.
>>64368762
TFA didn't get soundtrack as good honestly but it wasn't that bad, rey's theme was fine and snoke's did it's job too (it was a rehash though)
>>64368866
Rey's theme is pretty good. Not really memorable though.
>>64363387
DELETE THIS
>>64369278
TFA doesn't have a single one of those things.
>>64369278
Did that sound like a good bait when you were typing it?
>>64369327
Yes it does.
>>64369116
>forced two of the strongest jedi
I don't know what movie you were watching, but Qui-Gon was easily one of the weakest and most inept Jedi ever.
He couldn't even use his mind tricks on a space jew in some hillbilly fuck outer rim planet.
>>64369351
then why the fuck was he a master
>>64364963
Wouldn't that make the Ewoks the best army in the Galaxy?
>>64369278
There wasn't any fucking choreography. It was horribly clumsily put together, the worst lightsaber fights in the franchise. I don't care if you like or dislike the style they went for in the prequels, it served a purpose, it was to constrast the fact that this is the Jedi in their heyday with 1000 years of martial tradition behind them. While in OT it was 2 old men and one kid with no real training in lightsaber combat. There was no excuse for it being worse than that in TFA when the villain had clearly been trained at least partially.
>>64369377
He was like a spiritual master that doesn't play by the rules
His lightsaber game was indeed pretty weak
>>64369278
see >>64369135
or at least try to not make it so obvious that you're a shill
>>64369351
Wasn't Qui-Gon the black sheep of the Jedi? Probably would have left if he didn't die.
>>64369351
But, they literally tell you Jedi mind tricks don't work on his species.
Qui-Gon should have been a master but he didn't like the dogmatic view the council had so he stayed a knight.
>>64369116
droideka were expensive, the alien overlords were greedy jews who didnt use money, hence the shitty droid army.
>>64365844
>smuk_frok.png
>>64369451
No, he was a master. Pretty sure only they can have Padawans. He could have been on the council if he played the game, though.
>>64369402
>There wasn't any fucking choreography
Yes there was.
>It was horribly clumsily put together, the worst lightsaber fights in the franchise.
No it wasn't.
> I don't care if you like or dislike the style they went for in the prequels, it served a purpose, it was to constrast the fact that this is the Jedi in their heyday with 1000 years of martial tradition behind them.
It's empty, soulless, boring, cirque du soleil nonsense. You turn your brain off because you see the lightsabers so you don't think about it.
>While in OT it was 2 old men and one kid with no real training in lightsaber combat
Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi have the best fight choreography.
>There was no excuse for it being worse than that in TFA when the villain had clearly been trained at least partially.
Unless they actually wanted to tell a part of the story with the battle instead of just flipping around like retards.
>>64369526
Oh yeah that was it, he was a master but not on the council.
>>64368629
Don't get too excited anon. It really wasn't more than an Age of Empires reskin.
The second half of Revenge of the Sith was good IMO
>>64367009
Same age.
I liked the droidekas because they actually stood a chance.
>>64369526
Pretty sure knights become masters when they successfully train their first padawan (as in when he becomes a knight)
I never understood why the battle droids have a central control ship that apparently controls them all since it being disabled instantly shuts them all down, but then they also have officer droids who verbally give other droids orders.
I mean, they're either all controlled centrally, or they're autonomous with more complex command droids mingled in. Why would it be both. They even respond individually (like when Qui-Gon tries to reason his way past one during the escape from Naboo, that wasn't a fucking trade federation staffer controlling the droid).
>>64369483
>rationale military spending explains away an underutilized weapon capable of defeating jedi instead of silly, barely thought-out writing
Whatever, they're personnel sized weapons capable of making jedi piss their pants in fear; the equivalent would be a fucking tank or aircraft in the SW universe.
>>64368629
Galactic Battlegrounds lad, same engine as AoE II. Good shit
>>64369562
>Anakin gets tricked into being evil
>the most pointlessly long lightsaber fight ever
>I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND
>YOU'RE BREAKING MY HEART
>UNNNNLIIIIIMIIITTTEEEEEED PPOOOOOOWWWAAAAAAAAAAAH
>she lost the will to live
>NUUUOOOOOOOH
>>64369377
Because more too to being a Jedi than swinging around a sword.
>>64365178
>implying
They BTFO the gungans. Something the Empire couldnt even do to the ewoks. It was Anakin who saved the day thanks to his spinning tricks
>>64369550
>Unless they actually wanted to tell a part of the story with the battle instead of just flipping around like retards.
But they fucking didn't. They just had them flail around like idiots who would get slaughtered in any kind of sword fight. The OT fights were restrained affairs, not flailing wildly, and in the prequels they were borderline superhuman so they didn't need to be concerned because they could control that shit on account of having the training of the order proper.
>Yes there was.
You're right, this kind of statement is called "hyperbole"
>No it wasn't.
No it really was, there was no thematic thought put into it, there was no real limitation on them, what they chose to do was incredibly clunky, disagrees with established lore and was visually unappealing.
>It's empty, soulless, boring, cirque du soleil nonsense. You turn your brain off because you see the lightsabers so you don't think about it.
Except that within that "cirque du soleil nonsnense" they express a lot of character traits with the way they move, they thought the fight scenes out immensely, arguably too much because it created that effect, but to say it was empty is facile.
>>64369643
Yes, like rigging bets.
>>64369620
Exactly.
It was so bad it became good.
>>64369602
I think you overestimate their effect, since they definitely could have fought them (as shown a few times in TCW where the slide under the shield then slice them upward) but they most likely abandonned because it was taking too long and more, stronger reinforcements would logically be on the way
>>64369679
>But they fucking didn't. They just had them flail around like idiots who would get slaughtered in any kind of sword fight.
No. Finn fights like someone who is trained in military swordfighting, but doesn't come close to being able to wield a lightsaber. Rey gets pushed back at first because she's not a Jedi but then starts to tap into the force and is able to hold her own. Kylo Ren has exaggerated, cocky swings because he's toying with the protagonists.
>The OT fights were restrained affairs, not flailing wildly, and in the prequels they were borderline superhuman so they didn't need to be concerned because they could control that shit on account of having the training of the order proper.
You don't understand anything about the OT fights if you think that's what's going on.
>No it really was, there was no thematic thought put into it, there was no real limitation on them, what they chose to do was incredibly clunky, disagrees with established lore and was visually unappealing.
Wrong on all counts.
>Except that within that "cirque du soleil nonsnense" they express a lot of character traits with the way they move, they thought the fight scenes out immensely, arguably too much because it created that effect, but to say it was empty is facile.
"None" is not a character trait. Every single prequel fight is "they're basically evenly matched until one of them just wins out of nowhere." There's no narrative connection to the battle. It's just cool flipsnshit until someone gets maimed.
>>64365480
>not spelling it "ROGEROGER"
Someone fucked up.
>>64363368
Those droids were good in TPM but after that especially in ep3 they were fucking intolerable. Going uuurrrrgh when they died, making jokes and shit.
>>64369809
>millitary swordfighting
No one trains swordfighting in the modern day, and even if they did there's no such thing as standardised swordifighting, if you knew the first thing about swords, or arms in general you'd realise just how stupid what you've just said actually is. You're literally the kind of guy who goes to arms/armour conventions, picks up a conan replica, swings it about a bit and comments on the balance right now in terms of what you're saying.
>You don't understand anything about the OT fights if you think that's what's going on.
In terms of movement outside of moments of emotion they are largely restrained in terms of movement. While they're not in the slightest realistic you can at least see what they were going for.
>Wrong on all counts.It's entirely subjective so you can't really say that. And if you disagree I'll just laugh at your non-existent philosophical background. I'm wilfully being hyperbolic, but I suspect you actually think you can make definitive statements on this, or on the meaning of the film, and things that happen within
>>64367009
>Vader redeems himself and chooses the Light Side
>Lucas changes his force ghost appearance to young Anakin because "That was the last time he was good"
So I guess he didn't actually fucking redeem himself, huh? This is literally the worst change ever made to the original Star Wars films. Seriously, it actually undermines the entire point of Vader's redemption to have him appear as his young self instead of as his most current self but with a restored body.
Why don't Jedi carry multiple lightsabers since they lose them so often?
>>64364828
The action figures sucked because they'd always fall down due to their thin legs.
>>64363972
They're shitty on purpose. The original battle droids are literally the crappiest pieces of shit in Star Wars because the trade federation and CIS were space Jews and bought the cheapest shit they could find. They can litterally be ripped apart by a human.
>>64365535
Right because Stormtroopers were so threatening.
>>64370058
why was samuel jackson in star wars
>>64370058
Why Jedi cant just remove enemy lightsaber with "force"?
>>64370120
Jedi try to use the Force on each other, but it ends up as a stalemate so they just fight with sabers. They also use the Force to predict each other's movements while preventing the opponent from predicting accurately. It's basically all a huge mindgame that develops and it's just less tiring to drop the Force and focus on martial combat.
>>64366001
this made me mad just reading it.
>>64370022
>No one trains swordfighting in the modern day
You're a fucking idiot. The First Order clearly has armed melee combat training.
>In terms of movement outside of moments of emotion they are largely restrained in terms of movement. While they're not in the slightest realistic you can at least see what they were going for.
But it's not because "oh they lost the old teachings." It's because the fights in the OT are FIGHTS where they treat a lightsaber like what it is: a weapon that can seriously harm you or kill you with a single swipe. Look at Return of the Jedi. Luke is all form and grace against Vader with flawless technique. Then Vader says he'll go after Leia and Luke loses his fucking mind, dropping all pretense of technique and form and just going for pure power, hammering on Vader even after he falls until Vader's hand comes flying off..
The inverse happens with Rey when she fights Kylo. She's panicked, getting easily repelled by Kylo until she centers herself and thus begins to tap into the force, taking back the battle.
Compare that to Phantom Menace, where Qui-Gon dies. Obi-Wan lets out the only real emotion that fight has, but instead of that being reflected in the subsequent fight, Obi-Wan just goes back to doing cirque du soleil flipsnshit and his master's death doesn't appear to have any further effect on him outside of his "NO" moment. Then when he's hanging from the thing, he jumps up and cuts Darth Maul in half and Darth Maul just lets him do that without resisting in any way
>It's entirely subjective
It's not subjective, it's normative, you inept mongoloid.
>>64369550
>Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi have the best fight choreography.
Idk if you've watched the fight in Jedi recently but at the end Vader literally just sits down and let's Luke cut his hand off.
>>64368669
This post is so fucking dumb and hints at an underaged poster so much I felt like I should reply to it to at least say this;
Holy fuck, go back to Reddit.
>>64370236
>literally just sits down
He gets knocked on his ass by Luke, who is in full on berserk rage mode from Vader threatening Leia.
>>64368915
Google 'The Droid Invasion' you sheep.
Force users can move heavy shit with the force.
Yet they dont float themselves and fly.
and yet another fail
is the PT revealing Vader is lukes dad thereore the plot twist in the OT is pointless.
>>64370224
>rey taps into the force and suddenly acquires swordfighting skill
TOP
KEK
>defending this trash
>>64370224
I'm not going to talk with someone who rejects the entire premise of the conversation. And who doesn't understand his own terminology, or at the very least only uses it within a specific way which isn't the norm within the arts.
>>64370317
Revenge of the Sith would still be a shitty movie but would be significantly better if at the end Anakin just looks like he dies. People who watch 1-2-3-4-5-6 should be surprised at the Empire twist but they're not because Lucas had to make every little thing explicit.
>>64370330
She already had swordfighting skill. What she needed was the Force.
>>64369550
>Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi have the best fight choreography.
This is your subjective interpretation. By modern standards and if you even ask non-star wars fans, the fight is dated badly. The end of ROTJ, it's very badly choreographed. There are literal pauses like a choreographed dance throughout the fight.
>>64370347
That's okay. You just lose, then.
>>64370398
>le people should be suprised at the twist
VADER BEING LUKES FATHER IS LITERALLY THE BIGGEST SPOILER IN HISTORY. NOT A SINGLE PERSON ON THIS PLANET DOES NOT KNOW THIS. IT'S INGRAINED IN ALL ASPECTS OF POPULAR CULTURE. YOU CAN NOT GROW FROM 0-15 YEARS OLD WITHOUT AT SOME POINT HEARING THE JOKE "LUKE I AM YOUR FATHER" IT IS A MEME. EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. HOLY FUCK. HOW STUPID ARE FUCKING PREQUEL HATERS. JESSUS CHRIST.
>>64370437
Please tell when we see her fighting with a sword, especially at the level of competency required to beat an apprentice of both Luke and some sith/dark/evil lord thing
>>64370451
>This is your subjective interpretation
It's normative, not subjective.
>By modern standards and if you even ask non-star wars fans, the fight is dated badly.
Nah.
>The end of ROTJ, it's very badly choreographed.
Nah.
>There are literal pauses like a choreographed dance throughout the fight.
Sword fights have pauses because people want to back the fuck off and not get mortally wounded.
>>64370544
the prequels are better than the OT, get over it
>>64370540
>Please tell when we see her fighting with a sword
The staff counts.now go on, give me your STAVES AREN'T SWORDS REEEEEE nonsense
> especially at the level of competency required to beat an apprentice of both Luke and some sith/dark/evil lord thing
You mean a guy who was bleeding out from taking a blast to the rips that instantly kills normal men and still dealing with having just killed his own father? Or do you ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative?
>>64370583
I pity anyone who takes posts like this seriously
>>64363387
OOOOH
>>64370492
So your answer to criticism of the movie is literally something that doesn't have anything to do with the movie itself. Prequel defenders, everybody.
>>64370583
Nope, you're wrong.
>>64365613
Actually, in the first movie Qui-Gon says that Jedi can see a little into the future when he's talking about the reflexes needed for podracing, if I remember correctly.
>>64370605
He clearly wasn't having any problem when playing with Finn, spinning and dancing around and wrecking him as soon as he landed a lucky shot
But suddenly he's oh so diminished when fighting marey sue
>swords aren't staves nonsense
Well they aren't, are they? and staves certainly aren't lightsabers either
>>64365535
They weren't bad in episode 1, but their voices got so fucking stupid in episode 2.
>>64370291
Not really. He sucks under Luke's saber and just leans down on the railing and gets his hand chopped off.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KQxKOlrfZKc
Look at about 1:05
>>64370730
*ducks under Luke's lightsaber
>>64370686
>He clearly wasn't having any problem when playing with Finn, spinning and dancing around and wrecking him as soon as he landed a lucky shot
Yes, Finn doesn't have the force.
>But suddenly he's oh so diminished when fighting marey sue
Because she tapped into the Force. That's literally it. Even a wounded Kylo could take on normies effortlessly. But when he had to face someone who actually could use the force, the best he could do was a standstill.
But nah, keep ignoring facts to suit your narrative.
>Well they aren't, are they? and staves certainly aren't lightsabers either
She has melee weapons training. She couldn't use the lightsaber on pure skill that well - Kylo was easily besting her. But then she used the Force and that was enough to close the gap.
But nah, keep ignoring facts to suit your narrative.
>>64365787
But qui-gon inferred that only living things have midichlorians. He also understood the force better than Yoda. No one would've become force ghosts and helped out the OT without him.
>>64370605
Go ahead, give me your 'a motorcycle isn't a car' nonsense.
>>64370730
Yeah, he stumbled because he was being pressed by the rage monster that is Luke.
>>64363368
lol
>>64370808
I'm sure in your head that was a good analogy, but really you just come off like a brain damaged gibbon.
>>64370544
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A
>Luke wailing wildly
>Vader has multiple openings to disarm him
>nah i'll just watch
>fight is staged like the characters know exactly who is doing what
Dude, it's dated as fuck. This is like arguing the Princess Bride still has top tier choreography.
>flipping around like retards
>be granted with powerful supernatural abilities
>thousands of years worth of technique
I feel bad for you if you think that what was happening in the prequels.
You're everything wrong with Star Wars. You're the reason why we will be bombarded with soulless films that pander to the lowest common denominator of OT faggots. Star Wars will never move past Han Solo clones and Not-ESB clones for decades to come.
Fuck you
>>64370070
Nah senpai, the trade federation were space asians, still just as greedy though
>>64370768
So arrogant, so angry lmao
Why bother have a story if she can just use the force (something that luke had to undertake some 6 years of training to still suck at) and her amazing skills to get out of any hairy situation?
Also it's nice to know I'm discussing with a master of melee combat
>>64370888
>>Luke wailing wildly
But he's not though.
>>Vader has multiple openings to disarm him
Disarming doesn't do any good unless Vader's going to kill him, which he doesn't want to do.
>>fight is staged like the characters know exactly who is doing what
No, that's the prequel fights.
>Dude, it's dated as fuck. This is like arguing the Princess Bride still has top tier choreography.
It holds up today better than any of the prequel fights.
>I feel bad for you if you think that what was happening in the prequels.
But that is exactly what was happening. All of the prequel fights are just "they're basically evenly matched until someone wins out of nowhere."
>You're everything wrong with Star Wars.
No, you.
>>64369740
>>64370888
Vader wasn't good at saberfighting because he's a limp dicked cyborg, his power came from his mastery of the force and his menacing demeanor
>>64370827
But he doesn't look like he stumbled. It honestly looks like he just is like "okay I guess I lose now. It's in the script." And leans on the railing. The rest of the fight is great but to me that part just seemed poorly choreographed.
>>64370968
>Why bother have a story if she can just use the force (something that luke had to undertake some 6 years of training to still suck at) and her amazing skills to get out of any hairy situation?
False premise. She can't "just get out of any situation" with it.
You're wrong, just accept it.
>>64371016
>It honestly looks like he just is like "okay I guess I lose now. It's in the script."
You linked a video where it's in slow mo. Watch the original. He straight up looks like he's beyond his limit and getting pushed.
There's this fascinating thing you see time and time again where the new thing is always shit and the worst thing that ever happened to [franchise, genre, media type] but then as soon as something newer is released in [franchise, genre, media type], that new thing is now the worst thing (which fits the pattern) but the fascinating thing itself is that the *previously* new thing that everyone hated last year is now great in comparison to the new thing. And then when the new new thing comes out, the new thing will be great and the new new thing godawful.
2-3 years ago no one would defend the prequels this vehemently. And I guarantee once Episode 8 comes out, episode 7 will be some unassailable bastion of True Star Wars and episode 8 will be dogshit noplot mary sue bullshit. And then when 9 comes out it'll be a steaming pile of horse shit, 8 will be great, and 7 will be enshrined in the pantheon of Untouchably Fantastic Movies.
>>64370606
all the prequels and VII are better than ROTJ though
>>64371032
Straight up lying now?
>established strong force user mind-breaking me?
Use the force and reverse the link and mindbreak him!
>still in my cell?
use the force to mind trick a stormtrooper so he lets me out!
>there's the previously strong force user between me and my saber, and he's trying to force pull it to him?
use the force to force pull better than him!
>losing a duel with previously established strong force user?
use the force to power up and beat him!
>>64371264
She's talented because she's Luke's daughter and Kylo was heavily wounded. How are you not getting this?
>>64370888
It's not bad though. More realistic and less of a dance.
>>64371349
Hmm all this delicious backpedalling and completely ignoring everything I wrote before, absolutely delicious
I hope you aren't doing it for free at least, that'd be such a shame
>>64371434
>accuse me of ignoring while ignoring
Whatever helps you fit your narrative, right?
>>64371503
So how does the BDC tastes like anon?
>>64371598
The what?
>>64371621
You know, the thing your overlords force down your throat every day
>>64363368
Just the bad CGI, really.
And Jar Jar.
>>64369116
Droideka was expensive and only good for long range targets.
>>64371124
See, this guy gets it.
>>64371710
Big Disney Check?
>>64371734
Lucas was the first to actually make worlds out of CGI. Yeah, it isn't great but he was a pioneer in the industry. As a kid, I was blown away.
>>64371756
So, how much per post?
>>64365911
The cool thing about stars wars is that while it's always been generally marketed to kids, the OT could be enjoyed by adults as well. The prequels lost this aspect in exchange for more toy opportunities
>>64370995
>But he's not though.
Did you not watch the fight? Luke is swinging all over the place to trying to hit Vader in rage. Compare this to Anakin's rage in ROTS. It looks dated because it is. It was almost 30 years of technological innovation imputed into that movie. But of course, you dismiss it as "flashy" and not progress.
>>64370995
>Disarming doesn't do any good unless Vader's going to kill him, which he doesn't want to do.
It doesn't matter, Palpatine is watching him. If Luke isn't turning, he's going for Leia. His master is watching him. Vader has to win, losing is not an option for him. It took his son being tortured for him to snap back to being Anakin.
>No, that's the prequel fights.
Now you're just nitpicking. Both trilogies had hundreds of man hours invested to choreography for the sword fights. They all look choreographed. Nothing looks real or natural.
>they're basically evenly matched until someone wins out of nowhere.
Wrong. Maul defeats Qui-Gon because he finally gets through his defense. Dooku easily tears through Anakin and Qui-Gon but is outclassed by Yoda. And Yoda lost to Sidious. Kenobi lucked with the enviroment
>>64368762
this based theme wasn't in the movie?
literally the best part of BF2, I remember the fuck out of that music
>>64371915
>Did you not watch the fight? Luke is swinging all over the place to trying to hit Vader in rage.
Because he's fucking PISSED. He's throwing technique out the window and just tearing shit apart.
> Compare this to Anakin's rage in ROTS.
You mean the perfectly controlled sword swings? Yeah, it's garbage, what about it?
>It looks dated because it is. It was almost 30 years of technological innovation imputed into that movie. But of course, you dismiss it as "flashy" and not progress.
Technology does not improve narrative no matter how much you want it to.
>>64371915
>Now you're just nitpicking. Both trilogies had hundreds of man hours invested to choreography for the sword fights. They all look choreographed. Nothing looks real or natural.
Wrong. The OT fights look real, like someone in that fight is actually trying to fucking murder someone else.
>Wrong. Maul defeats Qui-Gon because he finally gets through his defense.
Comes out of nowhere. No build up, no nothing. Qui-Gonn just loses because he does.
>Dooku easily tears through Anakin and Qui-Gon but is outclassed by Yoda.
But there's no flow to either segments of that fight, no emotion to any of. Narratively speaking, nothing is going on in that fight.
>And Yoda lost to Sidious.
Because plot. He didn't actually lose like in terms of how a fight goes. He just falls down a thing and instead of jumping around like he was just doing, he says "well fuck it I guess I lost, now off to Dagobah."
>Kenobi lucked with the enviroment
At the very end. Fuck's sake he could've just hopped onto a roof at any point in the battle and the outcome would've been the same. The whole fight is worthless except for that one moment because there is no progress in the fight.
>>64372096
>>64372096
Oh and
>It doesn't matter, Palpatine is watching him. If Luke isn't turning, he's going for Leia. His master is watching him. Vader has to win, losing is not an option for him. It took his son being tortured for him to snap back to being Anakin.
Vader still wants to usurp the emperor using Luke. that's the whole point of "Join me and we will rule the galaxy as father and son."
>>64372096
>out of nowhere no buildup nothing
That seems realistic to me, life isn't a videogame where you slowly lose HP until you eventually die
>>64371124
this. /tv/, entertaining as it may be, is the worst place to have a legitimate, thoughtful conversation about movies. Everything new and popular is automatically bad.
>>64372205
You're actually on the money - life isn't a video game where you have an HP meter and no matter how little you have, you can still fight at 100% as long it's not completely empty. That' what the prequels are like. Obi-Wan and Anakin lose because their HP goes down to 0. Same with Yoda. In a real fight, people get tired and desperate and the stress takes a toll on them, even if they are superhuman monk aliens.
>>64363718
It isn't English, it just seems that way from a certain point of view
>>64372330
>get tired and desperate
I'd expect jedi master to have incredible endurance and self control, but this discussion is utterly pointless anyway, I wasn't the guy you were talking to and I won't be replying anymore, bye familia
>>64371985
>You mean the perfectly controlled sword swings?
He's a skilled Jedi Master with years of experience in the martial teachings of the Jedi. Not only that but he's a war hero who has faced Dooku and his apprentice Ventress numerous times.
>>64372096
>The OT fights look real, like someone in that fight is actually trying to fucking murder
They look like modified kendo training matches. A real life sword fight is over relatively quickly.
>>64372096
>Comes out of nowhere
Did you not see Qui-Gon being fatigued by the fight? Did you not see him mediating to calm and gather his strength? The music even indicated he was going to lose.
>But there's no flow to either segments of that fight, no emotion to any of
Then you completely missed the point of the fight. The Jedi were trying to stop Dooku and end the war. The entire fight is a metaphor. The Jedi rushed in unprepared and lost.
>Because plot
Yoda is clearly beaten, physically and emotionally. This is reinforced by Lucas and the novelization. Yoda lost for multiple reasons. The biggest is he realized the Jedi Order was destroyed and killing Sidious would do nothing. The Empire won.
>>64368866
Nope. Everything was just a copy/paste from the original trilogy.
Shame.
>>64372096
>just hopped onto a roof at any point in the battle and the outcome would've been the same.
No. Are you forgetting they were in the middle of a lava river? Obi-Wan had a very unique position that granted him immunity from Anakin's onslaught. If he jumped on a roof, Anakin would have found a way around it. Obi-Wan was on the defensive the entire fight and he even knew he was buying time. You have to be biased not to know that about the fight.
>>64372636
But if he jumped on a roof, he'd have the high ground and would therefore win.By saying he's "Buying time," you're admitting the whole fight was just a stall.
>>64371745
is that why it was able to kick the ass of two jedi in close range?
>>64372732
The context of the high ground was due to the position Obi-Wan was in. Do you forget the fight? Obi-Wan was standing on the only piece of land while Anakin was on a droid facing him no other place to go.
>you're admitting the whole fight was just a stall.
What are you talking about?
Obi-Wan did not want to face Anakin and begged Yoda to face Sidious. He knew he would be fighting his former apprentice and friend. Additionally, Obi-Wan had fought along side Anakin long enough to know he would be an extremely difficult opponent to face if not impossible. Obi-Wan was one of the best practitioners of Form III but it was giving weight to Anakin. He was stalling to survive in that match.
why would you bother inventing a fighting style that involves flips and shit anyway
if blaster bolts move so slow why does nobody ever just use an actual gun to shoot jedi
or some kind of really really fast shooting machine gun blaster
>>64373224
In the old canon, Jedi were weak as fuck to ballistic weapons.
>>64373275
this is why i can't take any star wars shit seriously
i don't care how far darth maul can see into the fucking future, how did nobody think of just buying a six shooter and indiana jonesing his stupid ass
same goes for the fucking OT and vader too though at least his suit was supposed to be armored or some shit which makes an ounce more sense
The best thing about PT was the vast political climate. There was a balance of interstellar resources that were fought over and put constraints on the universe the writers had to follow.
In contrast, TFA seemed to have been written alone by the guy who had the "she lost the will to live" idea. The First Order was supposed to be remnants of a fractured and broken Empire, but somehow had the massive resource pool for a planet sized station/super weapon. Instead tfo had exactly what the writers needed in the story whenever they needed it, because they gave it no definition with no characteristics. Same problem with Rey, she had exactly the skill and competence she needed when the writers needed it. She shouldve died upon finding the Falcon and Po shouldve showed up to pilot and assume the lead role for the remainder of the film.
>>64373396
There are no guns in SW. Thats like asking why there is no internet in SW. They can transmit holograms across the galaxy, but not deathstar plans. Dont ask so many questions
>>64373814
>The First Order was supposed to be remnants of a fractured and broken Empire, but somehow had the massive resource pool for a planet sized station/super weapon.
They lost the second death star and the emperor died, it's not like all of the manpower or resources of the empire were lost. They were basically in the same situation as after ANH except they were leaderless so the rebels were able to chase them off. The First Order is like a 50% strength empire, which is still enough to fight a fledgling new republic.
>>64374162
Actually according to the source books they released there's 4 factions in the galaxy,
the New republic that's like the old republic except smaller,
the (Fel?) empire that's like the empire but shares a galaxy with the new republic
the first order which is like if the nazis all left germany after losing and went on to continue their reich circle jerking in Argentina, afaik they're contained to a small territory in the border between the unknown regions and the outer/mid/inner rim (starkiller base was in the unknown regions iirc)
and since neither the new empire nor the new republic like the space nazis so they (only the republic?) fund the resistance (what a retarded name) to fight the new order
