>the oppression of the sith will never return
Now, wait a minute. The oppression of the sith will never return? When was it there last? Like 1000 years ago? The movie tells us the sith are evil and corrupt but gives us no real reason as to why.
In TPM, it's implied heavily, if not blatantly admitted that the Jedi and the Sith were mortal enemies. But there was no Death Star then, the sith did no harm to the Jedi in any of the movies.
Order 66 was Palpatine defending himself against the Jedi Order because they wouldn't want a Sith Lord ruling the galaxy? But for what logical reasons, exactly?
The only plausible reason that the jedi hated the sith/darkside was because of religion differences of the Force. Which technically makes the Jedi just religious persecutors, and evil.
The prequels were structured moronically, just like all the other aspects. Being shackled to Anakin's lifespan was severely limiting to the world building and context of the overarching struggle. If I were doing it, I would started with a true Prequel, something that has nothing to do with the Skywalker storyline, set in the past that would summarize the reason for the eternal strife between the Jedi and Sith. Hell, that's what LOTR did with its opening, I'm just allotting a whole movie for the benefit of George's gift of bullshitting. The next 2 movies should've been the rise and fall of Anakin as he's swayed by both disciplines of the Force and we understand what's at stake. Instead we got insipid wooing and the whole Anakin arc jammed into an over the top finale.
>>64361514
That sounds like absolute fucking dogshit.
The word "Sith" should've never been dropped in the first place, and it should've stayed a somewhat spiritual/mystical struggle with the dark side of the force. The mysterious nature of the universe created in Star Wars is like half of its appeal. Not everything needs to be autistically explained away.
Also, the prequel trilogy should've always been the story of Obi-Wan, although it centers on Anakin's fall.
>>64361138
>When was it there last? Like 1000 years ago?
Yes, actually. The New Sith Wars were about 1000 years earlier, and there had been periodic wars with the Sith for several thousand years before that.
>>64361708
Disney blew that up.
I know it's no longer canon but the EU had some seriously based as fuck sith. They were definitely the good guys at times.
>>64361138
you can't take the prequels without the OT
when he talks about the oppression you, the audience, should think at the empire in the OT
>>64361792
The last time there was a war with the Sith, they constructed neutron bombs using the Force. The Jedi had every right to fear the return of the Sith.
>>64361668
Not arguing about the stupidity of Sith, there's only so much you can do with George's building blocks. And I wasn't talking about midichlorians, but it's never shown what the big deal is with the dark side other than 'THEY BAD'. It was clear (until the prequels) that the whole idea of the Force was an ancient dynamic, not really relevant to the current struggles. I'm just saying it would've been interesting to visit that ancient time when the Force was a fervently worshiped belief and see the chaos that resulted. Basically, I'm saying a religious war would've been a better idea than the political one we got.
>>64361514
>Not liking the prequels
When will this meme end?
>>64361841
That's really fucking stupid.
The most sense I can make out of their animosty towards the Sith, outside of the obvious bigotry, is that Darth Maul killed Qui-Gon about a decade earlier on Palpatine's orders.
>>64361867
>they constructed neutron bombs using the Force
That sounds like some EU neckbeard came across the wiki page for neutron bomb and just plugged it in. The Death Star didn't need Force powers, why the hell would a bomb did it?
There is actually a lot of hidden genius within the prequels, genius you will not find in a plebeian flick such as TFA
>>64361867
Did any of those old Sith weapons rival the Death Star?
>>64361902
Sometimes people here don't like something you like, welcome to /tv/
>>64361902
>liking the prequels
When will this meme end?
>>64361893
>>64361922
>two Sith literally hijacked galactic politics, the defense industry, the banking industry, and successfully executed a wide ranging conspiracy aimed at staging a galaxy-wide fake war to prop the Sith back into permanent power
>BUT WHAT DID THEY DOOOOOOOOOO
>>64361989
>prequeltards actually believe this
>>64362040
>>64361902
>Disagreeing with me is a meme
When will this meme end?
>>64361922
that's the point tho
Palpatine is a Sith and you saw what he did in the OT
so you have to assume tha the sith oppression was just like that or even worse
Now the real question is: TOR is still cannon?
>>64362042
Literally where is the evidence? The Jedi had absolutely no proof of this
>>64361138
Isn't it clear that the Sith rule through tyranny? The Jedi as guardians of peace and justice would obviously be opposed to this.
>>64362148
No he's a Sith, and since the Sith did some bad things a thousand years ago it means he has to be killed by the brainwashed child-stealing cult of objective moral virtue.
>>64361138
>starts a galactic civil war that kills billions and bankrupted the galaxy.
>caused entire species to go extinct.
>ruled an oppressive dictatorship for 30 years.
>decided to let a planet get blown up for interrogation reasons.
B-b-but it was self defense!
>>64361773
Not entirely. The final episodes of The Clone Wars provide a partial history of the Sith and their millennia-long conflict with the Jedi and the Republic. The specifics may change somewhat (though I personally don't see them delving that far back into the history any time soon), but the generalities are the same.
And anyhow, it wasn't Disney. Disney really can't be bothered to care about that kind of minutia, the're like Toydarians, they only care about money. It was the very people at Lucasfilm who had been keeping tabs on continuity for twenty years, guys like Pablo Hidalgo and Leland Chee. They knew new movies would mean needing a fresh start to make things manageable for filmmakers and audiences alike, so they wiped the slate clean for Abrams & co.
>>64362256
Alderaan was a hoax. Turbolasers can't melt planetary crust
>>64361138
Sheev even warns others that the jedi would want to take over the republic, which is exactly what that were doing, even if they had no I'll intent by doing so.
I agree though, the movies give no reason to hate the small amount of sith left.
Also what is this bringing balance to the force? Was their intent that anakin would eradicate the last of the sith? How would that balance things?
>>64362256
>Jedi had no evidence of this
>Jedi had no evidence of this
>After the assassination attempt
>After the assassination attempt
>>64362286
Kek
>>64362297
The Jedi are just as bad as the Sith, thats the beauty of the prequels, it highlights that they are oppressive and intolerant of those who disagree with them. Now that Disney is behind the wheel all we'll see is "Sith bad Jedi good" nonsense
>>64362307
It boils down to that for the entirety of history every time the sith win they rule via a dictatorship and tyranny and in general are dark times in galactic history. The Jedi are naturally opposed to this and the sith are mortal enemies to anyone who stands in their way, generally that's jedi.
>>64361138
The sith are basically Muslims in the prequels. Their religion is basically "kill all who defy us" so they are keeping a low profile until they are in a position to enforce that. Their inability to effectively enforce that doesn't make them peaceful, and you're a tard if you get sucked into their bullshit.
The Jedi aren't oppressors, they don't make anyone submit to them and let all kinds of shit fly and let governments do what they like (ie tattooing having slaves).
>>64361841
What oppression in the ot? Like trying to unite the Galaxy under one rule for the sake of law and order for peace? That's basically what every country in real life does.
If you tell me they destroyed a planet, which was evil, they were also basically trying to get info from a terrorist that threatened to ruin everything. Again same thing would happen in real life to protect a country.
>>64362148
>fought a Sith in the first movie
>in the second movie the other Sith literally tells them that there is a conspiracy while starting a war
>their ability to see is being diminished by someone using the dark side of the force
>a sith being the leader of the separatist army
>all the various shit in the cartoons which is still canon since they are disney
>Palpatine literally confessing to Anakin before the arrest
>>64362395
You mean misunderstood, in episode 1 where nothing bad was happening for the most part they were just escorts, thug catchers etc. Thigh it implies most are just mediating at temples and such
>>64362406
The Jedi are jews
>>64362404
Thats just the Jedi revisionist history, we never see history from the point of view of the Sith because they are being systematically oppressed
Besides, autocracy is literally the most efficient form of government, the Republic was corrupt and everyone knew it
>>64362103
>Disagreeing with me is a meme
When will this meme end?
>>64362418
Nah, not wasting my time with another kid that thinks he is clever for spouting "THE GALACTIC EMPIRE WAS GOOD THEY DID NOTHING XDDD" when the entire set of the story is that they were the bad guys.
>>64361966
The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the neutron bomb.
>>64362307
>an assassination attempt is grounds to wipe out an entire planet populated by billions of sentient beings
edge4lyfe
>>64362395
I was really hoping tfa would show the world a bit for grey rather then black and white. Like what happened after the empire lost control, and compete chaos breaks out across the Galaxy.
Instead just black and white.
>>64362145
No it's not
>>64362525
>Disagreeing with me is a meme
When will this meme end?
>>64362528
I'm not saying that are good, I just find it hypocritical to call them evil in the movie, when in real life those same people would say that same form of control is good.
I wonder,what if Finn is related to Lando? Or if Ren has a twin brother?
>>64362297
>the movies give no reason to hate the small amount of sith left.
Palpatine was secretly manipulating the entire galaxy. He started wars. He must have been responsible for the deaths of millions. It's clear to the audience that his sole intent was to take over the republic and to rule as some kind of tyrannical dictator.
>>64362462
>Guy with red lightsaber = Sith because dark Jedi arent a thing
>Dooku was leading an army against the Republic, so he could have lied
>Doesn't prove anything at all
>See above
>None of the stuff in the cartoons gives the Jedi even a shred of evidence to try and assassinate the Chancellor
>Confessing to practicing a different religion, what a crime
>>64361514
http://www.starwarsringtheory.com/ring-composition-chiasmus-hidden-artistry-star-wars-prequels/
>>64362491
With that argument Hitler could have been an oppressed not so bad guy and all of history is just revised.
>>64362612
But that's just politics, you don't need the Force to do that.
>>64362579
>Disagreeing with meme is a me
>>64362665
>implying that's not the case
>>64362628
>confessing to be the sith lord they have been trying to catch since the second movie
>confessing to have no intention to give back your special powers because you orchestrated the entire reason to have them in the first place by causing an intergalactic war
>>64362665
Yeah, that's pretty much what happened
>>64362702
The Sith are tyrannical by nature. They literally gain their power through anger, hatred, and aggression.
It's pretty clear you wouldn't want one in charge of the entire galaxy.
>>64362831
>wanting a passionless emotionless husk with no investment in his volk in charge
Whatever you say, Mr. Cohen.
>republic with the jedi
>1000 years of peace
>problems started when a Sith decided to create a "phantom menace" to start gaining power
>60 years of war, tiranny and shit
b-b-but the Sith are the good guys!
So about those Seperatist Confederacy of Independent Systems
>>64362915
The republic was falling into a beauraucratic nightmare, as is inevitable of all systems without strong leaders.
Sheev saved the galaxy.
>>64362831
>>64362877
Jedi confirmed Obama, sith confirmed trump.
>>64362665
If he had won the concentration camps would never become public knowledge or would be severely understated (the few hundreds of people we executed were aggressive terrorists!).
The USA does systematic decimation too and a fuckload of other crimes but no one cares because history is written by the winners.
>>64362877
>>64362963
except Jedi don't run for supreme chanchellor
>>64362963
>Trump
>Implying sheev deserves to be compared to a fucking dickless moderate
>and not the great liberator and hero of the west
You know the true comparison.
>>64362999
And people call the USA out on their bullshit too
>>64363040
They do, but they pretend not to want the position.
>>64362999
>(the few hundreds of people we executed were aggressive terrorists!).
But that's a fact anon
>>64363040
>except Jedi don't run for supreme chancellor
>wanting ultimate power to be divided among competing and belligerent branches when you can have true unity.
>>64363098
Never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.
Let's see what the sith do in the course of the prequels.
- use a proxy to instigate an invasion of a peaceful planet
- use the pretext to gain political favor while operating under a disguise
- scheme to further destabilize the galaxy by fostering the separatist movement, likely using mind tricks to influence various factions and and play into their greed
- repeatedly attempt to assassinate a senator
- long-term plan involves creating a planet-destroying device through one of their proxies
- plunge entire galaxy into a civil war far greater than the later rebellion vs empire conflict
- through illegitimate means force the republic to use a clone army that the republic did not vote on, sanction or agree to fun
- once the war is "won" activate a hidden order (not sanction by the republic at all) to execute the leaders of the republic army with no trial or jury
and that's just off the top of my head
>>64363082
Americans are brainwashed to be vapid as fuck and just not care about all the crimes their own government does.
>who cares? What's the latest Facebook meme?
>I have nothing to hide lol
The few ones who actually care enough to speak up are simply drowned by more profitable "interests" like the newest epic capeshit movie or the POLEMIC nipslip by flavor of the month actress.
>>64363233
>using dashes instead of >s
Shig, first of all.
Now let's examine what exactly they really did.
>Replaced a decaying and weak republic with a new empire, ready to face the future
Worth it tbqh.
>>64362732
>When will this meme end?
When will this meme end?
>>64363233
He did all this because the Senate was corrupt and ineffective as fuck.
He only wanted to save the galaxy from chaos and bring forth eternal peace.
>>64363233
>likely using mind tricks to influence various factions and and play into their greed
While definitely pushovers Dooku and Grievious weren't neccessary manipulated
>>64363329
>decaying and weak republic
no proof for that other than what you say
even their technology was better before the Empire took control
>>64363453
>private corporations able to blockade planets with almost no recourse
> no military might to speak of
>senate is a fuckin quagmire
Gas yourself family
>>64362071
>I told you it would come to this, I was right! The redditors are taking over!
>>64361893
Honestly, something like the story of KotOR would have made a great prequel. It shows what the sith are and adds enough history to give a good grounding, while having pretty much nothing to do with Anakin's story..
>>64363518
/pol/ warned you. All you had to do was listen.
The sith is just symbolic of white people, hence why the line was delivered by Sam Jackson
>The oppression of the white man will never return!
>>64363502
>>private corporations able to blockade planets with almost no recourse
which only happened because Sidious tricked them into doing it
>> no military might to speak of
because they didn't need one before Sidious orchestrated the start of the war
>>senate is a fuckin quagmire
and yet they got 1000 years of peace as a trackrecord
kill yourself kid
>>64361514
>I've seen le Plinkett review like 10 times!
Does
>the oppression of the sith
mean oppression BY the sith? Because the wording actually makes me think that the sith were the oppressed ones.
>>64363583
So everything was peaceful and nice until Palpatine decided to engineer a war to take over the galaxy
>>64363583
>which only happened because Sidious tricked them into doing it
Would've happened eventually corporate greed is a hell of a drug
>because they didn't need one before Sidious orchestrated the start of the war
Yuzhan vong kiddo
>and yet they got 1000 years of peace as a trackrecord
And how's that working out for the tatooine slaves?
>>64363643
Don't turn this into the next "big guy for you" phrase.
>>64363691
No, no it's a legitimate question.
Honestly, it probably does mean what the anon thought it did. Mace Dindu was noting with horror how the Sith were taking over, and would never again be defeated. It wasn't a battle cry, it was a shocked and horrified concession.
Damn, just when we thought we knew Lucas' games fully...
>>64363684
>Would've happened eventually corporate greed is a hell of a drug
hypotetical, didn't happen in the course of 1000 years tho
>Yuzhan vong kiddo
EU stuff, it has no weight in the movies and is also not canon now
>And how's that working out for the tatooine slaves?
Tatooine is not part of the republic that's also why the republic credits were worthless there
>>64363771
>hypotetical, didn't happen in the course of 1000 years tho
Right, the Fetts weren't going to do anything reprehensible ever
>EU stuff, it has no weight in the movies and is also not canon now
External military threats would've popped up eventually.
>disbanding your military because there's no immediate threat
I bet you're voting Sanders
>Tatooine is not part of the republic that's also why the republic credits were worthless there
Fine then, the crime lords and Fetts on Coruscant.
>>64363643
could he mean that he's protecting the sith from further oppression by destroying Sheev, the one who would bring more harm and darkness to the sith?
woah
>>64363915
No, he's admitting what's going to happen. Like all those people in horror movies that say "Oh god, you're going to kill me" He's basically saying "The status quo will never return, woe is me"
>>64363675
It would never have worked if the Senate actually bothered to save Naboo from some greedy Jews.
The only reason why Sheev's plan worked is because the Senate was so fucking useless.
He did nothing wrong.
>>64363991
That doesnt make sense, why would Windu say that when he's about to kill Sheev?
>>64364016
He was admitting defeat, he knew deep down that he would lose.
It's in his blood.
>>64363893
>Right, the Fetts weren't going to do anything reprehensible ever
In the movie Jango was just a bounty hunter/mercenary
>External military threats would've popped up eventually.
>disbanding your military because there's no immediate threat
but the various planets of course had their own planetary armies
there was no need for a galactic one controlled by the chanchellor
>>64364107
>In the movie Jango was just a bounty hunter/mercenary
Shit I ment the hutts
Been too fuckin long
>there was no need for a galactic one controlled by the chanchellor
Yeah the articles of confederation would like a word
>>64363766
>it was a shocked and horrified concession
Nah he says it in a matter of fact way when he thinks he's won. "The oppression of the Sith will never return, you have lost" doesn't sound like a horrified concession.
>>64364451
Unless he's talking to himself.
>>64364522
But then why does he say that as he clearly seems to have won. I just rewatched the scene and I can't see it any other way.
>>64364622
He's searched the force and has come to know what is to pass.
In KOTOR the Sith ruled the Galaxy for thousands of years, and leveled planets and shit. They were like the space nazis, and valued humans over filthy alien and droid scum.
They were a pretty big fucking deal.
>"The Sith Empire is a force of dominance, an authoritarian state forged from militarism, slavery and the dark side of the Force. United under a single Emperor and his Dark Council, ruled by the Force-sensitive members of the Sith Order and supported by countless loyal citizens, the Empire forsakes the freedoms offered by the Republic in favor of strength and order. Aiming to take revenge on the Republic for its exile centuries ago, the Sith Empire will stop at nothing to become the greatest power in the galaxy. Although an uneasy truce has settled over the galaxy, the Empire does not sit idle. From its capital of Dromund Kaas, Imperial leadership exerts total control over the worlds it has conquered, rebuilding its forces to once again march on the Republic."
>>64363587
Was what he said even brought up in the plinkett reviews?
>>64364975
that sounds pretty based, senpai.
t. /pol/
>>64361993
The Star Forge
>The Star Forge drew energy and matter from a nearby star which, when combined with the power of the Force, was capable of creating an endless supply of ships, droids, and other war material. The Rakata, also known as "The Builders," constructed the massive space station through the use of slaves from many subject worlds including Belsavis, Corellia, Coruscant, Dantooine, Drall, Duro, Kashyyyk, Manaan, Selonia, Sleheyron, Malastare, and Tatooine. This technological marvel came at a terrible cost, as the Rakata were by nature a cruel and savage species; the Star Forge began feeding off these negative traits inherent in its creators. As a result the Star Forge became an immense tool of dark side power.
>>64364975
>bringing fanfic into a canon discussion
>>64364975
>>64365084
whats neat about the Sith is that they are basically like the Borg in a way, they assimilate all ancient technologies (like lightsabers) keep what they want, like military technologies, and spread the rest around the galaxy to boost industrialization and profit
the jedi are merely hippie chanting happy feels monks, and the sith are the technological geniuses of order and supremacy in the universe
This entire thread is also ignoring that the Jedi and Sith are clearly implied to be ancient enemies and so the Sith are enemies of the Republic by extension. Not to mention that all the stuff in the EU was canon when this movie came out so the multiple wars fought between the various Sith Empires and the Republic was history as far as Lucas was concerned.
>>64365293
This.
While Lucas did not force himself to conform to the EU, the prequels were made more or less to be in harmony with the bulk of the EU material (where the Sith were explored before the prequels came out)
In The Phantom Menace, Darth Maul tries to ambush Qui-Gon and Anakin on Tatooine.
Considering that he attacked them at the ship, there's enough circumstantial evidence to think he's trying to get to the ship, and the attack itself indicates his hostile intentions.
On Naboo, Maul shows up to block their way into the palace, fights the Jedi, and eventually kills Qui-Gon.
On top of this, Sidious is shown trying to start shit on Naboo and tells the Viceroy to kill Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.
It's pretty clear the Sith are not nice people, OP.
In Attack of the Clones, it's shown that they've manipulated an entire war into existence.
And of course, if you keep watching the movies, you'll see just what kind of oppression Mace Windu is afraid of there, implying that the Sith did something similar a long time ago.
You are never going to be able to put together a coherent argument that the Sith are good guys without disregarding information clearly presented in the movies, OP. Don't even try.
>>64365400
Yeah, he retained the authority to rewrite or erase things if he wanted but he generally liked the EU.
>>64365577
Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs...
>>64361989
>character walks into an out of place 50's diner
>"hello, would you like this anvil!"
>"i have too many anvils as it is!"
>"when will i be rid of this anvil!"
>>64361138
>Image title says 1080
>Image is 720
On an unmade Clone Wars episode Lucas was going to reveal the Jedi temple was built on the ruins of an earlier Sith temple. Here is concept art for it.
>>64366855
Whoa.
>>64366654
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
>>64366855
That looks pretty cool. But look at that image again, and imagine if the prequels looked like that. Imagine that the Clone Wars were these hardcore battles between light and dark. If they infused some genuinely compelling mystical and spiritual elements. Fuck man, it just hit me how much I wish that someone competent made the Prequels.
>>64367653
I think I remember hearing it would be revealed that was part of the reason the Jedi's vision was clouded and they couldn't detect Palpatine
>>64367653
Maybe you should watch Star Wars: The Clone Wars.
>>64361138
old canon:
Sith were an actual race that loved the dark side so much it became synonymous with them, they invaded the Republic and got their shit rekt in respense; but force sensitives who remembered and followed their teachings called themselves "Sith" as well. There homeworld was Morriband.
new canon:
The Sith were basically an old branch of the Jedi that formed during the Thousand Year Darkness (when lots of Jedi decided to join the dark side). They terrorized the galaxy and caused lots of wars. They were thought to be defeated around 1,000BBY; but Darth Bane devized a plan to stay secret, the Rule of Two - where there would only be 1 Sith Master and 1 Sith apprentice. This allowed them two stay hidden and also channel more concentrated power as avatars of the Dark Side. This line continued down to Sheev Palpatine. The Sith homeworld is Moraband. It's spooky and full of dark side energy and ghosts.
>>64368086
fuck, I meant Korriban in the first paragraph
>>64368086
Your old canon description is wrong.
The Sith were a race native to the planet Korriban that had established a small empire across planets the Republic didn't know about.
Approximately 6000 yeras before the battle of Yavin, a split in the Jedi Order resulted in the exile of a large number of Dark Jedi. They landed on Korriban and set up shop as gods, becoming quite literally the lords of the Sith, ruling over the native Sith race. They taught their techniques to select members of this race and interbred to some degree.
1000 years later, the Sith were ruled by members of the Sith race, who still styled themselves as Lords of the Sith. A Republic hyperspace exploration ship accidentally stumbled on Korriban, and the Sith Empire decided they should invade.
They got their shit pushed in and fled into the Unknown Regions, as the Republic expanded to former Sith worlds. About another 1000 years later, Exar Kun fell and styled himself as a Sith Lord, followed by Ulic Qel-Droma.
Since then, the Sith as an order have been defeated and reborn many times, as curious assholes stumble across ancient Sith teachings.
>>64368066
But people told me it's shit and the worst canon movie.
>>64368086
Bane?
>>64368403
The movie Star Wars: The Clone Wars is shit and is the worst canon movie.
It's also the pilot for the TV show Star Wars: The Clone Wars, which, after a rocky start, eventually became one of the best Star Wars things ever made.
/tg/'s Star Wars general has a good viewing guide for TCW.
>>64368435
He's a pretty big guy.
>>64368435
Yes, and he wore a mask too.
>>64361668
With is fine, making them all named Darth was the retarded part
>>64368487
For you.
>>64368610
Why not make it a title?
Anakin Skywalker fell and became Darth Vader. Making it a simple arbitrary name change is dumb. What did he do, pick it out of a hat?
Establishing it as a Sith naming convention where you get a title establishing yourself as a Sith and then a name distinguishing you makes a lot more sense out of the name change.
Would you have preferred every Sith Lord being X Vader instead of Darth X?
>>64368454
>>64368403
Clone Wars viewing guide.
>>64361138
AAAAHHHHH HELP ME ANAKIN
>>64363330
>greentexting the exact same meme and repeating it
when will this meme end?
>>64369144
I can't forgive them for bringing Maul back, it's just a stupid excuse to please his fans.
He was cut in half and fell down a very long shaft...and that's it, the end.
If he survived that, then mace Windu can survive being lightning blasted out of a window.
>>64369673
Hell is repetition.
>>64369144
what about season 6?
>>64369799
The Maul fight was actually one of the few scenes in the prequels that was great.
>>64369799
it was stupid that he came back but his storyline was one of the best parts of TCW
>>64369945
You're about to anger the 'muh realistic swordfighting' fags.
>>64369992
>psychic space monks
>realistic swordfighting
top jej
>>64368758
Darth already is canonically a title given to Sith lords.
>>64369890
You watch all of season 6. It's not included because it's only 13 episodes and they're all great.
>>64369799
He caught like a spout or something and kept himself alive with pure hatred and the dark side, long enough to get cyborg stuff. Son of Dathomir establishes that Mother Talzin also had something do with keeping him alive.
I don't think Mother Talzin's going to get involved with Mace Windu's death.
>>64370571
Well, she should!
So Maul was sort of like Darth Sion?
>>64370636
Sort of.
Talzin's not really in a position to get involved with anyone's deaths anymore.
We always hear of Jedi defecting to the dark side. Does it ever happen the other way around?
>>64371327
well anakin did it
>>64371327
The point of the dark side is its the best fucking drug anyone can ever have. Once you get a whiff of that shit, you become an addict.
>>64371630
And Kylo Ren's going to when he grows the fuck up and takes some responsibility for his actions for once.
>>64362612
The old EU's gone now, but the reason that Palpatine did all this is because he alone had foreseen the coming of a great threat to the universe and knew the laughably corrupt, decadent Republic with its zero military presence and total reliance on the fading, navel-gazing Jedi order wouldn't stand a chance against it.
>>64371327
It can, but it's much less common.
Ventress went from dark to sort of neutral, so there's that.
Vader came back, but had to die to do it.
The dark side is the quick and easy path to power, relying on giving in to addicting and cathartic emotions. So it's really tempting and easy to fall into the dark side if you aren't careful.
The light side is slow and difficult, centered on control and self-denial. Not exactly tempting. It's not the sort of thing that would "call" to someone, which is part of what makes Kylo Ren kind of nonsensical as a character. Ventress left the dark side because she was betrayed by her master and eventually realized the dark side was just making her a target and not getting her anywhere. Vader was redeemed because of the compassion of his son and the realization of what he had become. The fact that Kylo Ren is talking about "hearing the call of the light" and all this shit doesn't really fit with what the dark side is and how it works.
>>64370713
Based Grievous, I hated that bitch.
>>64361138
Jedi in modern times is the equivalent of bible thumping christ fags with absolute power and authority
Whereas the Sith are equivalent to people with common sense and seek change
Jedi evil
Sith good
>the oppression of the sith will never return
>>64363518
>not being in your teens and thus not seeing the prequels in a good light makes you a redditor
I'm 25. I saw Episode 2 in theaters. It wasn't good. Entertaining and watchable, but that's about it. Average poster age is around 19, so it means many posters were kids when the prequels came out. It's nostalgia. Calm yo titties.
I like FF13 but you don't see me saying it's the best shit ever and naysayers are redditards. You can enjoy bad things and still know they're bad. Fucking teens.
>>64362418
>What oppression in the ot? Like trying to unite the Galaxy under one rule for the sake of law and order for peace?
That was Vader, Tarkin, and other Imperial officials except Sheev himself. Sheev only cared about being evil for evil's sake.
>>64374331
sheev wanted to rule the galaxy dude. He straight up says it in 3. The classic sith trait is the desire for power above all else.
>>64362588
>peaceful republic that can handle its shit well enough
>sith comes along and causes strife and chaos to seize control
>turns republic to fascist empire
>oppresses non-humans and imposes fear to stay in control (Death Stars being the peak)
Nah, the Emperor was chill, praise fascism! Faggot, what a contrarian for contrarianism's sake. I bet you haven't done your taxes, goddam teen.
From my point of view these movies are retarded.
>>64363411
Grievous was absolutely manipulated, Dooku organized the accident that put him in the big dumb robot body, and used his dislike of the Republic to recruit him.
>>64375364
The new canon has changed that via The Clone Wars.
Grievous was such a fantastic warrior that he decided the only way he could become better was through cybernetics. Statues in his lair show him at different stages of the process, how he went piece by piece, gradually replacing more and more until there was nothing left to replace.
He wants to face Jedi basically to hunt them. They are the most dangerous game.
>>64361514
>I would started
Start by learning english
>>64372142
>not the sort of thing that would "call" to someone
Well in a way it could, a noble path free from the worries and negativity inherent in the dark could be tempting to many. I know what you mean though. it's not like you'd "hear the call" of the light or something. It's like eating unhealthy shit, you might hear a sort of call or feel an urge to eat a pizza. Even if you feel a call to the light though, it's not like you'd be gorging on delicious unhealthy shit and suddenly feel an urge to healthily and ignore it. The whole point of giving into temptation is that if you feel like doing something it doesn't, it doesn't make sense to resist the temptation of the light for a bit while you've been in the dark, just like it's stupid to think someone would be eating horribly unhealthy shit and then conciously choose not to eat salad when they have a craving for it.
>>64375565
*if you feel like doing something you do it
God I'm getting tired.
Mace Windu gives zero ducks about what you think
>>64375636
and thats why the nigga's dead.
Just watched episode one after seeing TFA and.....yes episode 1 is better, sorry. TFA is so rushed that it doesn't even feel like storytelling. It just feels like every scene is a setup to a stupid action scene with Seth Rogen tier quips and dialogue. It's not a good movie by any means and it's below mediocre
>>64374459
Yeah but he doesn't care about peace and order.
>>64375735
I don't know, overall I might still say Episode I was worse. Episode I was a bad original movie. Episode VII was a mediocre formulaic rehash of an older movie. While I found TFA to be less enjoyable, I do think if I hadn't seen any movies in the last 5 or so years and hadn't seen the originals, I'd like it more.
>>64375557
ad hominem kek
The entire point of the prequel is that the jedi WERE RETARDS.
That's the whole fucking point of it.
They were set in their passive and up-their-own-ass ways and couldn't adapt to the situation and counter the rise of chaos around them.
That's why Kenobi and Yoda later on in exile start leaning on Jinn's teachings, who as you might've noticed was a renegade jedi who went against the jedi council.
Luke, as a continuation of that line of teaching is the first "true jedi" that is proactive, just and doesn't rely on dogma and rules to get shit done.
Even in the OT Luke went against Kenobi and Yoda and still got shit done because oldschool jedi simply didnt have what it takes to get stuff done.
People seem to completely miss that about the prequels.
The republic-era jedi were assholes by design.
>>64375901
Jinn confirmed for best jedi
Patrician rankings official:
Episode III
Episode V
Episode I
Episode IV
Episode II
Episode VI
Episode VII (for the redditor crowd)
>>64375943
5>4>3>6>>>1>>>>>2>7
>>64375994
>III less than anything
Looks like somebody didn't understand Lucas' intellect.
>>64376026
I don't know, poetry just doesn't appeal to me.
>>64375994
5 has problems that nobody seems willing to admit to. The story lacks focus, the middle third in particular keeps swapping between an interesting training plot thread that ultimately gets simply dropped before the third act and a dull holding pattern chase plot thread that just seems to fill time, and the whole movie ends not on a tense cliffhanger but on simple stubborn non-resolution of any of its plot threads. While Hoth and Cloud City are both very well-done and the movie has some very interesting and complex characters -- especially Lando -- there's still the problem that the first and final thirds of the movie are connected by the narrative equivalent of a big wad of duct tape, and that the final third ultimately fails to resolve, forcing Return of the Jedi to be two mini-movies haphazardly stapled together just to wrap everything up.
4>3>5>6>1>2>7 for me.
>>64375901
The jedi are too rigid, but they are so to lower their chances of turning to the dark side. Luke can basically (or maybe did between OT and ST) start fresh cause he doesn't know any better. Maybe that's why Han Solo's kid went dark side, cause Luke couldn't do shit like the olden days.
I prefer the grey jedi, like the black dude on Kashyyk in KOTOR1. Wise enough to know going either extreme leads to bad shit.
>>64376026
>I was 8 years old when 3 came out!
I was 14. I liked it for the lightsaber battles, the story is worse than the OT (and kinda retarded cause Anakin just goes sith too quickly), and too much greenscreen.
6 > 4 > 5 > 7 > clone wars show > 3 > 1> 2
7 might be a rehash, but at least it feels like Star Wars. The prequels are still bad and you being nostalgic and a contrarian won't make them feel like the OT.
>>64370713
>watching The Clone Wars
>episode where Sheev sends Cad BANE? to kidnap 2 force sensitive Jedi so he can turn them into his agents
Literally what? I thought his endgame was to eliminate every force user besides his apprentice Vader? Why would he lay the foundations to have two more apprentices?
>>64376569
7 feels nothing like Star Wars. What it does feel like is a Marvel capeshit movie.
TFA completely throws away the sense of epic, operatic melodrama that pervades all six films of the saga in favor of "SPACESHIP LASER ACTION GO". Its approach to the Force and any sort of mystical elements is pure Harry Potter-style fluff, without a trace of Yoda's philosophical musings or Sheev's diabolical temptations. Its sense of humor is smug, self-satisfied, and cynically self-aware, trying to ape Joss Whedon's constant stream of quips mixed with knowing winks to the viewer.
TFA feels like Star Wars in only the most superficial way possible, discarding anything deeper than "we made the spaceships look dirty because you said so!" in order to condescendingly pander to angry shitheads on the Internet who haven't watched the movies in years.
>>64375513
Well, shit, guess I should have figured the new canon changed that. That's way more cool than the old canon, though.
