Did you know, Pocahontas is based on a REAL story, and it's not half as glamorous as you'd want it to be?
After binge-watching Pocahontas 1+2 with my niece, I kinda got mad when PocaHOEntasdumped John Smith for another, even slicker John, after the first John got into trouble in the second movie.
It made be mad, because I didn't expect Disney to present Pocahontas in such a promiscuous, disloyal way. I just wanted to read some critiques on this issue, but then I found out that it's, in fact, not Disney's fault; it's just based on the real Pocahontas' love life.
This, as disappointing as this already is, is just the tip of the iceberg though. After doing some research I found out what's hiding under the surface, and it's a pretty ugly and disappointing story.
The real Pocahontas was born in 1595. The incident from the first Pocahontas movie happened around 1606/1607.
So Pocahontas was an 11 yo loli when John Smith, almost 30 yo, had an alleged liasion with her. He was even celebrated as a romantic hero in folklore later. Then, some years later, she went to GB as a "mediator" between her tribe and the colonialists.
She was still a kid, maybe 15 yo, and I'm afraid her "mediation" didn't quite work out like in the movie. How did they communicate anyway? Then she seduced another whity boy John, got preggo, married him, and died at... 21... Wow.
There was no great love story.
No John Smith sacrificing himself for Pocahontas's dad - he was rather a pedo creep, who was also known for buying the first 20 black slaves several years later in Jamestown.
Also, no great mediation between the peoples happened, too; her tribe was later killed anyway, unlike in the movies.
In the end, she was just a horny nympho teenager who fucked the right white men to get her name written into history books. Her nickname was "Matoaka", which means the "playful one".
Reality is so ugly and boring, compared to that romantic Disney stuff. Ugh.
>>64345008
What a slut.
A lot of Disney movies are based on stories that are very dark which involve death, torture, sex and violence.
You know at the end of the second movie when they leave England on a boat to go back to America? In real life she died on that boat ride.
Cheap Avatar ripoff
>>64345008
Dammit that girl is so qt.
And yeah, real life Middle Ages are lot more like GoT than Disney.
just tell me the racoon was real senpai
>>64345008
>binge-watching
Watching two movies back to back is binge-watching now? My, how pathetic we have become.
What a time to be alive as a white man. Shame can't say the same right now.
>>64345125
The Raccoon was also a lie but grandmother Willow was real.
>>64345149
My niece is 7 yo. Have mercy.
>>64345149
fucking this
>>64345149
I just marathon read your post. why so upset?
>>64345008
>Reality is so ugly and boring, compared to that romantic Disney stuff
This was a complaint you used to hear alot, before the tumblr children started praising Disney movies as the greatest thing ever.
As this anon says:>>64345077 most Disney adaptations are horribly watered down from their origins. A lot of their adaptations have been from the works of Hans Christian Andersen, who more or less always had dark endings to his stories.
>>64345008
Its natural to fuck teenage girls, it changed after wwII
>>64345008
Can you still buy slaves in Jamestown?
>>64345149
>My, how pathetic we have become.
Stopped reading there.
>>64345244
This. Now the only way to get away with it is if you're a jewish nickelodeon tv show producer.
>>64345244
But 11 yo? She wasn't even fertile. That's not natural.
i grew up and went to school in the area around where thats supposed to take place, and in almost every middle school history class I had, the teachers would make us watch it and sit there and point out all these retarded inaccuracies about stuff like the geography.
>>64345178
Real Pocahontas was trippin' ancient redskin drugs, so yeah, granny willo' was most likely real.
>not watching based Malick's The New World with your young niece
racemixer pedophile who also introduces slavery to christian society, this story seems familiar to me somehow
>>64345247
You can buy slaves anywhere bro
>>64345301
if it bleeds it breeds
>>64345301
some girls (especially in hotter regions) get their first period around 10-11
>>64345244
Why did this change? Everyone was having sex with teenagers a century ago. Now if you're 22 and were to say a 16 year old looks hot everyone freaks there shit and and it's some how disgusting, gross, ect.
>>64345103
keke
>>64345426
This must be the reason why latinas are god tier at 12-14
>>64345008
>Reality is so ugly and boring, compared to that romantic Disney stuff. Ugh.
Woah woah woah, the Pocahontas' story is fucking fascinating, you learn so much about the relationship between colonialists and her tribe, and how she left to live in London. That shit's fascinating.
Fuck your kidified disney crap.
>>64345103
here's a (You). For you.
>>64345301
>She wasn't even fertile.
How do you know that?
Also sex with teenagers is legal in most countries, not 11y old but 14-15.
>>64345125
>just tell me the racoon was real senpai
Of course it was. Raccoons are real animals you know.
>>64345008
>>64345067
>What a slut
She was 11 and 15 years old she was child, she didn't know what she was doing she was used as a flesh puppet, the paedos abused her and made it up as a romance.
>>64345472
You're right. They're at there sexual prime at around 14-16. Then it levels out at a slow decline until they hit thirty and suddenly they veer off a cliff, especially if they have had a kid by then
>>64345565
>11 and 15
>a child
>paedos
No, that kind of relationship was normal at the time and she was hardly a child
>>64345492
>you learn so much about the relationship between colonialists and her tribe, and how she left to live in London. That shit's fascinating.
No, it's abso-fucking-lutely not. She couldn't even communicate with those people. She was most likely held and presented like a wild and crazy animal, until it became boring and she was sent back home, with her new hubby, who was twice as old and probably just used her as a sex doll.
>While the general age of consent is now set between 16 and 18 in all U.S. states, the age of consent has widely varied across the country in the past. In 1880, the age of consent was set at 10 or 12 in most states, with the exception of Delaware where it was 7.[3] The ages of consent were raised across the U.S. during the late 19th century and the early 20th century.[4][5] By 1920 ages of consent generally rose to 16-18 and small adjustments to these laws occurred after 1920. As of 2015 the final state to raise its age of general consent was Hawaii, which changed it from 14 to 16 in 2001.[6]
>10-12
>7
Damn
>>64345603
good old times when you could see niggers and indigenous people in cages when you went to the zoo
>>64345582
I had two latina gfs when I was in high school but now in my mid 20s this is the reason why I'm afraid to date latinas. At any moment if they left themselves go they turn into monstrosities.
What a poor girl, she was probably a sex slave.
>>64345603
She learned English, dipshit, did you research further than a wikipedia article?
>She was most likely held and presented like a wild and crazy animal
Entirely your own speculation.
And bad events are still interesting to study, it's better to understand why something is horrible rather than get emotional and wish the world was a disney movie.
>>64345632
Seriously, what caused this change?
>>64345008
hi
>>64345600
>No, that kind of relationship was normal
Sure it was Mustapha.
>she was hardly a child
An 11 year old isn't child? Fuck you, you fucking animal, I hope you spend you life in jail.
>>64345783
What a lovely rendering of a monkey in a suit
>>64345714
Prove she learned English, please. How did her work come to fruition again? Ah, her tribe was slaughtered, right! The only one who gets emotional about this issue is you, resorting to namecalling. I didn't say I wish the world was a Disney movie; I just criticised Disney movies for being disappointingly unrealistic; that's a difference. Things are horrible, that's how our universe is, and you gotta make the best of it.
>>64345833
is this bait?
read >>64345632
and shill
>>64345871
chill*
>>64345863
Holy shit the tumblerina is in!
>>64345008
>Did you know, Pocahontas is based on a REAL story?
>Did you know, movies based on true stories are frequently historically inaccurate?
Are you developmentally disabled or something?
>>64345863
Prove she didn't.
>>64345949
I don't see the problem. There are movies which are "historically inaccurate" and movies like Pocahontas who are romanticized beyond ridiculous, and it's totally okay to point that out and discuss it.
>>64345565
Dude, 11 back then is equal to 18 now.
>>64345008
Yeah and the original Hunchback of Notre Dame has Quizimodo falling off the tower and dying and Esmerelda getting hanged for being a dirty fucking gypsy.
>>64345871
That shit only applied to the us and the middle east, if it was in Europe you'd get your ball pulled.
>>64346022
Whatever you say, Hamhed.
>>64346042
>this is what yurocucks believe
There are multiple countries in the Cuckion that have age of consent at 14 RIGHT NOW.
>>64345863
She was used as an intermediary between the English and her tribe, it would be impossible to use her to communicate with them if she didn't know any English.
>How did her work come to fruition again? Ah, her tribe was slaughtered, right!
I never said she helped her tribe, just that we can see how the relations between the English and her tribe really went down.
>I didn't say I wish the world was a Disney movie; I just criticised Disney movies for being disappointingly unrealistic; that's a difference
Fair enough, but all I said was that the real story is interesting and you disagreed ("No, it's abso-fucking-lutely not.")
(Those other two dipshits aren't me by the way)
>>64346010
Does it matter in the end? She failed, even if she learned English. Romantic->beautiful adult woman finds love of her life, saves her tribe, etc. Reality->poor sex slave child with no impact. Didn't you say "it's better to understand why something is horrible"? In order to understand, you gotta face the ugly truth first. From that point, you can move on, a bit smarter than before. By romanticising the story, you do the opposite of what you just said.
>>64346042
http://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/09/age-of-consent-in-european-american-history/
>>64345008
Good thread OP.
It's always been this way with history though. People tend to romanticize things. It's stupid.
>>64346153
>can't find facts to support your argument
>does it even matter
happy new year
>>64346106
Yeah, probably in your country where you have to prep the bull before he takes your wife and daughter.
>>64345008
>John Smith was a legendary cunny master
thanks for the info OP
It seems unlikely to me that we would actually know her birth year.
>>64345008
>Did you know, Pocahontas is based on a REAL story, and it's not half as glamorous as you'd want it to be?
4th grade history class was super comfy.
>>64345736
Feminists. It was raised so girls would have a chance at getting an education instead of being locked into being wives and mothers. In todays world of easy access to birth control and abortion on demand though it would make sense to lower it back down again though.
>>64346202
Things don't always have to matter, my dear. Actually, it's a rather rare case that anything really matters at all.
>>64346169
>Implying I'm going to click that shit
>>64346233
Why? Do you think the redskins had no concept of time before white people showed up?
>>64346220
Tell me which country you're from. I want to show you how retarded you are about your own country's history.
>>64345736
Probably the same concerned mothers who pushed forward prohibition at that time
Most age of consent laws are at least a bit wonky but 7-12 is fucking gross
>>64345438
>be me, 22 yo
>go to a new year eve party
>hot 16 yo qt3.14 starts to dance with my lap
>she says she has a boyfriend
>fifteen minutes later she's blowing me
Women are whores
>>64346234
Is that really what you Americans learn in school? In Germany, we talk about World Wars, industrialization, etc. I'm surprised, so many people on here already knew that. In Germany, hardly anyone knows that. We just think it's a cute story without any historical attachment.
>>64345008
>le today's sexual standards allow me to judge the past and the future because that's what society judges as right for now
kill yourself
>>64346273
Yeah, they probably had Gregorian calendars hanging up in their tepees.
>>64346304
in gaymany you learn about how white people need to be killed and drink muslim cum 24/7
>>64346271
>Traditionally, across the globe, the age of consent for sexual union was a matter for the family to decide, or a tribal custom. In most cases, this coincided with signs of puberty, menstruation for a woman and pubic hair for a man.
Sir Edward Coke in 17th century England ‘made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband’s estate was 9. The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example Mary Hathaway of Virginia, was only 9 when she was married to William Williams.
>Portugal, Spain, Denmark and the Swiss canons, initially set the age of consent at 10-12 years and then raised it to between 13 and 16 years in the second half of the 19th century. Historically, the English common law set the age of consent to range from 10- 12.
There you go, friend.
>>64346304
Gee, I wonder why Germans don't study the early American colonial period in the same depth American do. What a surprise.
>>64346299
doubt.jpg
>>64346320
Are you retarded or something? These people lives depended on the seasons, so they knew seasons which is enough to establish some sort of concept of time
>>64346299
>One spectacle is said to have included "a hundred tiny blonde girls being raped simultaneously by a horde of baboons.
What the FUCK am I reading!?
>>64346324
AT least Germoney can still claim white majorities in their five largest cities.
The states 'whites' can't even claim to be a majority in even one of their top five.
>>64346249
Good luck with lowering that without getting labeled incorrectly as a pedophile
>>64346320
11 winters is 11 winters
>>64346251
How profound. I see you are another scholar of le Reddit atheism board.
>>64346249
>it would make sense to lower it back down again though.
What kind of retard are you? How do you come to that conclusion, motherfucker?
>>64346380
>Pocahontas's birth year is unknown, but some historians estimate it to have been around 1596.[5]
>unknown
>estimate
Wow, turns out you're the retard.
>>64346436
i give you for years at best
>>64346481
>How do you come to that conclusion
He stated his reasons in his post. Did you read it?
>>64346304
Why are Europeans so stupid?
>>64345008
Women are sloots, more news at 11
>>64346496
That's because they didn't care about some kike that was nailed to stake before their worshipers nearly decimated them.
They had a concept of time they didn't have a gregorian calendar which they could have used to establish an accurate date had they not exterminated the entire tribe.
Also you might want to tone it down because it's getting to obvious that you're trolling.
>>64346506
What?
Four?
I'm not the German either. I just love pointing out when Yanks project their own fucked society onto others.
>>64346475
Totally not. There are many things that matter: love, joy, happiness, family, spirituality, health, etc. However, it does not matter, whether a 11-15 year old girl - who failed at mediating between tribes - learned English or not. That's 400 years ago. However, what matters is the moral of the story, given humans' nature hasn't changed ever since: we are disgusting, brutal creatures, and it's a fact that history is written by the winners, who glorify and rationalize everything for the sake of avoiding cognitive dissonance and remorse. We would rather shatter the mirror than change ourselves. That's a relevant and everlasting truth and the reason why Pocahontas is such a cheesy flick, and history books are 99% fairytales, too, winners presenting themselves at their best.
>>64346603
I never claimed they didn't have a concept of time, moron. I simply said I think it's unlikely we actually know her birth year, obviously referring to the Gregorian year, which you, obviously trolling, attempting to spin into saying they didn't have a concept of time. Turns out I was right all along.
>>64346249
Well that and the fact that back then you didn't really get to have an adolescence as we know it today.
Girls were married off as soon as they were able to. Boys were basically slave labor for the family until they're old enough to get married and move out, or take over the farm so you can retire.
As productivity begins to increase thanks to technology, and the frontier disappearing, its not such a burden raising children, and you don't have to work them/get rid of them as fast as possible. Now you've got time for them to have a "childhood" as we understand it in modern times.
>>64346665
Another quality post from a fellow Reddit colleague
>>64346686
>I never claimed they didn't have a concept of time
>>64346695
You're welcome.
>>64346686
>Meets somsone in 1613
>Ask how old they are
>18 winters
>1613-18
>=1595
Do you know how math works? Do you think that because they didn't have a Gregorian calendar that a sidereel day isn't the same as it is in europe?
>>64346344
>There you go, friend.
I'm not your fucking friend, don't you ever fucking talk to me again.
>>64346725
Yes, you are moving the goalposts.
This is literally what I said:
>It seems unlikely to me that we would actually know her birth year.
And I was right.
>>64346276
Japan
>>64346826
lel
>>64346799
So your point was that native americans didn't use a gregorian calendar?
If somehow you're actually gonna claim that is your point what possible reason could you have to disagree with this post >>64346380
But sure I'm moving the goalpost even though my whole point is that they have concept of time which can easily be converted to a gregorian calendar had they not killed the entire tribe
>>64346897
No, my point was that we don't know Pocahontas' birth year. That's it. There's no extra implications for you to read into in there, it's pretty straightforward.
>>64346304
>You have basic knowledge that I don't?
>Uh... well.. What's wrong with you Amerifats knowing useless information like this?!
>>64346960
Sure it was. Doesn't explain why you would disagree with people saying they had concept of time until we explained seasons to you but ok.
>>64346960
ur a fagit
>>64346973
Why are you talking about Pocahontas anyway in school? Did they at least tell you that the movies couldn't be further from reality?
>>64345077
Didn't snow white originally wake up because she gave birth to the child of a king who raped her in her deep sleep ?
Honestly after watching pocahontas I tried to find good native American porn but I could only find mexicans or goblins
>>64346093
Maybe not eleven but that anon has a point people grew up way faster at the time.
>>64345008
woulda made a better movie
John Smith was probably one of the biggest assholes in human history.
>>64348126
/thread
>>64348126
>implying you wouldnt jump on the Pocha-Train
>>64348959
On an 11 yo? Definite no.
>>64345008
that girl isnt even native america
as a native american this offends me
>>64349329
>2015 ladies and gents
>>64349350
Are you kidding? Pocahontas was native.
>>64349430
the girl in the OP photo is not pocohontas
>>64349454
She is, you idiot.
>>64349501
her name is sherri lansing
she is fillipino, not native american
>>64346341
>actress was 13 at the time
>hottest scenes in cinema history with Colin
Only sensual scenes I've liked in a movie about a romance, only. It's beautiful, it's hot in a divine way, fucking perfect. No pedo.
>>64347556
Yeah! 1 way back then was like 23 now!
>>64349350
shouldn't you be gambling and drinking on your reservation?
>>64349574
It's the same thing.
>>64345008
she thought he was dead. john smith was hired to shill the new world so people would want to go there. so he eventually had to go back to england. pocahontas thought he died for whatever reason and married some other fag. i like how in england, they meet up again and she just cant say anything. she couldnt speak. i think they then "talked" for a while. her new husband probably watched from the closet or something. then she died
