Is End of Evangelion one of the greatest films of the 20th century?
>>64334032
>films
You mean "cartoons", right?
No that would actually be The Tree of Life you cinematically illiterate troglodyte
>>64334054
it's still a film you stupid faggot. fuck you
>>64334089
truly the greatest film
>>64334054
It's a cartoon on film
>>64334091
>>64334126
It's a fucking glorified cartoon, stop deluding yourself into thinking its something else.
>>64334197
It's an animated film, there's a strong tradition of them back to the golden age of cinema
>>64334197
Why can't cartoons be films? They require much more effort to make than live action.
The thing is that technically speaking films are just recordings of human actions, and traditional cartoons like the early Disney stuff are just recordings of human drawings - and in fact many cartoons of the early era are recorded on film.
>>64334367
>and in fact many cartoons of the early era are recorded on film
you mean almost every work of animation created in the 20th century
evangelion was animated on film which was actually a big deal because they lost some of the original proofs which meant they had to redraw them for BD
>>64334367
Just because it's recorded on film doesn't make it a film you dingus, movies, cinema, and flicks exist too
Not in the top 50, maybe in the top 100.
>>64334054
>>64334197
>>64334314
Nope, it's a film. It has scenes of IRL japanese people sitting in a crowded cinema, walking down the street, etc.
>>64334032
It's pretty good yeah.
I could even appreciate it when I saw it without the context of the series.
>>64334054
This and even then its nothing more than a flick like Donnie Darks
/tv/ translation manual:
"Flick" - I did not like it and did not consider it a work of art
"Film" - I liked it and consider it a work of art
"Cinema" - I can't decide if I liked it but still consider it a work of art
"Movie" - I liked it but I do not consider it a work of art
Note that all of these words mean the same thing to people who can express their thoughts in a sane manner. In addition, the opinions of posters on an anonymous imageboard should not be considered objective fact.
>>64334089
That's the 21st century, you twat
Akira.
Just the image of Shinji's face disaolving, as if a reflection in water, is terrifying.
>>64334416
>movies, cinema, and flicks exist too
ah, the arbitrary /tv/ categories that no sane person gives a flying fuck about but is bandied about by self-aggrandizing cunts
>>64334416
>Just because it's recorded on film doesn't make it a film
>>64334934
>>64334841
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMsp05iSk7s
>>64334764
Never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.
>>64334032
It's in my top 250 of 2000s.
>>64334961
>I blindly believe what the guy from 24 says and never question it because I have no personality whatsoever.
>>64335002
Never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.
>>64334624
This post really should be stickied.
>>64335031
I'm right you know.
>>64334961
Wow, Jack Bauer said it
>>64334032
I've only ever seen the first couple episodes and this. Did I fuck up?
>>64334962
Get your centuries straight, nitwit
>>64334841
Film vs Movie vs Cinema is real, but kino, fllick, etc were added by tasteless drones that were made insecure by this whole thing.
“A movie is made for an audience and a film is made for both the audience and the filmmakers. I think that The Game is a movie and I think Fight Club‘s a film. I think that Fight Club is more than the sum of its parts, whereas Panic Room is the sum of its parts. I didn’t look at Panic Room and think: Wow, this is gonna set the world on fire. These are footnote movies, guilty pleasure movies. Thrillers. Woman-trapped-in-a-house movies. They’re not particularly important.” - David Fincher
"My film is not a movie. My film is not about Vietnam. It is Vietnam. It's what it was really like. It was crazy. We were in the jungle, there were too many of us, we had access to too much money, too much equipment, and little by little we went insane." — Francis Ford Coppola
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film#Terminology_used
>By contrast, in the US "movie" is the predominant form. Although the words "film" and "movie" are sometimes used interchangeably, "film" is more often used when considering artistic, theoretical, or technical aspects, as studies in a university class and "movies" more often refers to entertainment or commercial aspects, as where to go for fun on a date. For example, a book titled "How to Read a Film" would be about the aesthetics or theory of film, while "Lets Go to the Movies" would be about the history of entertaining movies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMsp05iSk7s
movies are about economics.
cinema is about esthetics.
film is about politics.
-"How To Read A Film" by James Monaco
Also the separation is recognized in these texts
Bresson's Notes on the Cinematographer
Tarkovsky's Sculpting in Time
Delleuze's Cinema I&II
>>64334962
(YOU) luv it
>>64335082
>fincher
>coppola
>bresson
>tarkovsky
>not self aggrandizing cunts
>>64334961
>some random drunk's opinion being relevant
top kek
>>64335082
Yeah, but what's Porky in Wackyland?
>>64335154
>some random drunk
He's a pirate you mong
>>64335082
>movies are about economics.
>cinema is about esthetics.
>film is about politics.
So you're saying we can include Evangelion and Citizen Kane in the same category since both are about aesthetics.
>>64335286
That is pretty much the upshot of what he is saying.
>>64335082
Hey everyone look what I found!
>>64334337
because they are cartoons, not real people acting in them.
>>64334089
I got bored and turned this one off, is good huh?
>>64335435
>is good huh
Nico please, don't you have bowling to do?
>>64334032
In terms of anime it is easily one of, if not potentially the, greatest films of all time.
However, this board is primarily for live action films/television, and the two are too different really judge alongside each other. What each strives to create and achieve are fundamentally different. It's like creating a ranking list with both books and comics on it. How to you do determine which is "best" when they excel at and strive for different things?
Though with that said /tv/'s EoE threads and anime threads in general are much better than /a/'s. It's actually always kind of fascinated me that /tv/ seems so engaged with NGE/EoE, considering how particularly the series is tied to the anime industry/fandom.
>>64334337
Of course they can be films. Don't listen to this pedantic fuck: >>64335407
>>64334032
brennan pls
>>64335478
What does an animated film like "Watership Down" or "Grave of the Fireflies" strive for that is so different from a live action film?
![[Commie] Neon Genesis Evangelion - The End of Evangelion v2 [BD 1080p AAC] [C65D0141].webm](https://i.imgur.com/f2vbYxm.jpg "[Commie] Neon Genesis Evangelion - The End of Evangelion v2 [BD 1080p AAC] [C65D0141].webm")
>>64334792
happy new year, anon
Eva can never be the best because it's targeted towards a very limited audience. I don't see it as something that stays with you, something that offers new insights as you grow older and become wiser. I don't see it resonating with a 40 year old me as much as it does now.
>>64335407
They have screenwriters, directors, composers, and voice actors. As well as animators, storyboarders, and Korean sweatshop labourers.
>>64335478
eva threads on /a/ have too many years of baggage to lead to anything productive or really anything outside of the same couple autists yelling at each other.
but really, it makes sense that /tv/ would engage with it more heavily and on more levels (even discounting crossposting). it may be heavily inspired by experiences in otakudom but that doesn't mean that that particular limited lens is going to provide the clearest insights into it. in fact i think the argument could be made that it's an advantage for the viewer to have a more balanced background and approach when trying to glean the most out of something. certainly the real emotional core of the series isn't unique to the industry or fandom
What was with all the Judeo-Christian symbolism in Evangelion anyways??
>>64335835
Anno's answer is that it looked cool. Which is why any writer uses it. It's not like the Bible is deep or anything, it's a fucking code of ethics with scary stuff to make people obey it.
misato best girl yes/yes?
>>64335732
The emotional core of the series is loneliness. I think anyone can relate to that. A lot of people pretend not to and bash Shinji, but he's one of the easiest characters to empathize with in fiction.
>>64336001
Yes
>>64335955
*tip* anon.
Haha fuck religion! Am I smart yet?
>>64335955
You do realize his answer of "it looked cool" is just his dismissive way of dealing with people who are to stupid to derive meaning for themselves, right?
>>64335835
vague gnostic allusions for flavor + it's striking to a shinto-buddhist audience
>>64336046
I didn't say that you fucking condescending piece of shit. I just said that there's nothing that would make Biblical references deep. I could be a devout Christian for all you know.
>if a film or show is animated instead of live action then the plot must be shit because you can't convey mature stories with 2d images
>>64335955
Bud, that's a book with enough staying power to capture the imagination of and provide guidance for people for thousands of years.
You may not like what's in it because you're an enlightened fedora tipper who doesn't fall for fairy tales (like your parents and Kevin from school do), but there's no denying that the book has powerful content.
>>64336279
Did you really feel so unhinged that you actually had to take them time to post that?
>>64334121
Would smash
>>64336197
>>64336341
Did you really feel so unhinged that you actually had to take them time to post that?
>>64336447
We're all anonymous here man, there's no need to do damage control.
But if having the last post will really make you feel better then take it, friend.
>>64334032
Not really. It's inferior to the TV series, and to many other anime movies of the 90s. Ghost In The Shell and Patlabor 1 in particular are much better,
with the greatest cinema waifu of all time
It's not even Anno's best.
>>64336197
Yes. Powerful content... which the makers of Neon Genesis Evangelion knew next to nothing of and just used the superficial symbolism of.
EoE is one of my favorite films of all time, but, c'mon.
>>>/a/
>>64336001maybe? ...but Rei has more merch and it works better to have so many duplicates of her.
>>64337135
Don't you want to talk about it in relation to other films instead of on a board full of moe blob shows about cute girls doing cute things?
>>64336001
Not even close.
>>64334032
no, kindly fuck off back to /a/ with this shit.
Anime isn't bad, but anime =\= film.
>>64337306
Hate to break it to you breh but you're not even as hipster as I am.
>>64337467
mana not v hipster, not compared to mayumi or someone
strasberg best boy tho
>>64337467
Hey, I liked her too okay. She had a lot of awesome chemistry with all her male coworkers despite being a closet dyke with a crush on her superior. There's just know way she can compete with literal perfect waifu that among other things:
>Selflessly steps up to look after OLDER sisters.
>Cooks super yummy foodstuffs that she always shares with others.
>Always looks out for Asuka, even she's being a histrionic psycho.
>Doesn't give two fucks if people think she's bitchy coz she knows being diligent in her role as class rep for their own benefit only.
>Has superior taste in guys.
>Is a nip with freckles, unnf.
>>64335835
The depression and stress that he was experiencing while making the show, religion would have to influence someone like that.
>>64337542
Too hipster for me.
Source material only, please.
It will be unquestionably /tv/ related very soon.
>>64337736
she also pirated sega saturn games
>>64334032
Yes, it's much better than The Hateful Eight, that's for sure!
Yes it is
>>64336197
oh please, I have read the bible and the writing is kingdergarden level at best, its only a holy book because of the culture that surrounds it, the book itself is nothing special
>>64335062
yes
For EOE to have the proper impact you need to have seen the entirety of the original series including 25/26
>>64337811
maria, now thats the real hipster eva waifu
>>64337736
>She had a lot of awesome chemistry with all her male coworkers despite being a closet dyke with a crush on her superior.
Bud, you're thinking of Maya, not Mana. Maya is the closet dyke, Mana is the gril from the video game.
>>64334032
yes.
watching 3.0 now as well
GOAT movie
>>64334032
Fuck off, retard.
>>>/v/
>>64337963
Oh yeah, I see the difference now. I was only confused by the fact that they both look exactly alike.
>>64338095
Color me surprised, /tv/ has taste.
I think ever since 3.0 was realized I've found like 2 other people on /a/ who actually liked it.
>>64338513
All the rebuilds by themselves are FUN flicks to watch
don't hold up to NGE and EoE content wise though
>>64339371
Of course.
It's pretty impressive how riled up people can get about that movie though. Waifufaggotry was a mistake.
>>64334416
if that's actually what you believe then you need to take a break from 4chan
>>64334032
Unironically yes.
I'd like to try watching this animu this year, in what order should I do it?
I've read stuff about people watching episodes 1-24 of the series, then EoE, then episodes 25-26, is it a legit way to do it?
Also should I watch the rebuilds?
>>64339618
1-24, EoE, 25/26, then Rebuild if you're still interested (although it will cover a lot of the same ground until you get to 3.33).
>>64339618
>>64339654
For fuck's sake anon, don't listen to this guy or the one who told you that bullshit order.
Release. Fucking. Order.
It's just that simple. Every time. There might be series where the best option is NOT to watch in release order, but I honestly can't think of any.
>>64339759
EoE is the intended ending anon, it's right there in the name
>>64338513
3rd rebuild is dogshit you scum
>>64334032
2001 a space Odyssey pleb
>>64339788
Yeah, but if you watch it straightaway then you miss out on why people demanded EoE. Plus EoTV is a lot more cathartic coming off of the series, it was meant to more directly flow into the other episodes. EoE was released after everyone had stepped back from the series for a couple years. EoTV was aired back to back with the rest of NGE. Plus EoE has much more impressive animation, and it's easy to feel let down by EoTV if you come into it after EoE.
Incidentally surviving aspects of the script indicate that the original fully animated TV ending of NGE may have actually been different from what happened in EoE. Whatever it was it's for certain that EoE is a modified version of it. EoE is great but it's best enjoyed after EoTV, not before.
