So which movie is better? I'm kind of leaning towards Episode 1 here. No, I'm not joking.
>>64276902
I agree honestly. TFA didn't feel like it was a part of the same universe.
TFA had better characters and technically better designs too But JJ that fucking hack barely used them.
The first 40 minutes of TFA is better than anything in the prequels too bad Cocknose screwed it up
The Force Awakens was amazing, go back to Reddit
TFA, though Phantom Menace is more interesting and I would have preferred another TPM to what we got.
Episode 1.
Not trolling, everything in episode 1 is new, setting the background and universe.
Nothing important to the series happened in TFA, was essentially a retcon of ANH.
>>64279287
You can say the same thing about Phantom
>>64276902
Tough call.
They were both pretty bad.
TFA didn't have Jarjar, so it has a slight edge.
>>64279247
no no the reddit opinion would be that TFA is good
keep up
TPM is actually the best PT movie. Search your feelings you know it to be true.
>>64276902
If not for the glorified cameo of Han Solo in TFA, most people would readily admit TPM is the superior episode.
Phantom Menace had better world building. Lucas may be a hack when it comes to writing and directing but Episode one solidifies the idea that he was surrounded by people that knew what they were doing. And when those people who knew what they were doing had creative control, great things happened.
TFA was a better overall movie, I just wish it had some elements in Episode 1 that were clearly very well done. The character and environment design were fantastic, as well as the shots that showcased them. I know most people thought Gungan city was pretty cool looking when they first swam to it, as well as the traveling through the planet core scene. Seeing Coruscant for the first time on the big screen was awesome as well. Also the podrace was really fun to watch.
>>64279335
"no"
>introduces the council
>indroduces Anakin
>introduces Palpatine
>introduces Padmé (luke and leias mother)
>introduces Obi-Wan
>set the stage for the sepratist movement
need I go on
![1302195358578423[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cwvdaLl.jpg "1302195358578423[1].jpg")
Nice samefagging, OP.
>>64279453
>Introduces Finn
>Introduces Rey
>Introduces Poe
>Introduces Snoke
>Introduces Klyo Ren
>Introduces the First Order
need I go on ?
>>64279586
>missing the point
But those aren't characters that set up events in films we already care about.
>>64279655
Phantom is totally unnecessary
You get to know everything you have to in II
>TFA was bad, I'm so trendy and contrarian everyone pay attention to me please I must be smart and important because I disagree with most people.
The fall of /tv/ occurred long ago, now you're just languishing in the filth and ashes.
>>64279191
This. Rest of the movie was too much of a rehash for me.
>>64276902
They are both shit, but at least TPM has a nice aerographed poster instead of those abominations TFA got
>>64276902
ignoring jar jar and jake loyds bad acting, episode 1 shits all over force awakens.
ep 5 > ep 3 > ep 4 > ep 1 > ep 6 > ep 7 > ep2
>>64279287
>shove in R2 illogically
>ruin C3PO totally
>GREEDO WAS CHILDHOOD FRIENDS WITH DARTH VADER YIPPIE
>official Jedi garb is just Farmer clothes
>big baddie is just the emperor
>Obi Wan is just there, doesn't do anything of value until the last five minutes of the film
>everything is new
>>64279926
this meme is weak
I haven't made my mind up about TFA but I at least walked out of the cinema feeling like I'd just watched an actual competently-made movie. All three of the prequels are a complete fucking mess in almost every regard.
Hello there redditor plebs
I can't stand the poor plebian taste of the masses
Thanks to my great understanding of kino and superior taste I'm happy to present you Offical Star Wars powerrankings
1.Episode II: Truly the pinnacle of experimental arthouse kinography
2.Episode I:Sadly not as good as II but still a cinematic masterpice
2.Episode III:Way too much gritty dark emo shit still a solid 8/10
Here comes the bad part
Episode VI: Best of the OT but still a really bad kid flick 4/10
Episode IV:Same shit as EP VI but it's way more boring
Episode V: Overrated trash praised by basement dweller neckbeards one of the worst movies ever 1/10
Episode VII: Terrible movie nearly as bad as anything in the OT but at least the visuals are great 5/10
Anyone who disagress with me needs to grow some taste
>>64280166
>>>64279287 #
>>shove in R2 illogically
are you talking about TFA? >muh map
>muh in hibernation
>>ruin C3PO totally
not a criticism
>>GREEDO WAS CHILDHOOD FRIENDS WITH DARTH VADER YIPPIE
it wasn't greedo
>>official Jedi garb is just Farmer clothes
see the end of RoTJ with the force ghosts. All three are wearing prequel jedi robes, even in the pre-SE version.
>>big baddie is just the emperor
not a criticism
>>Obi Wan is just there, doesn't do anything of value until the last five minutes of the film
he's only a padawan to the protaganist, Qui-Gon.
Not a criticism.
>>everything is new
compared to TFA? Yes.
>>64280140
>one of the the most revolutionary films of all time behind III which is just a flawed but decent summer flick
>The incoherent "went too far in few places" no main character having piece of cinematic garbage ahead of one of the best endings to a film trilogy ever made
>well made 2015 soft reboot behind any of this shlock
>>64276902
3>6>5>1>4>2>>>>>>>>>7
Only order that matters.Mine
>>64280339
The worst part of this post is that you can't count to 7 right.
>>64280140
Ep7 is too high on your list
>>64280212
this is called "Stage 1: Denial"
>>64280339
Nice formatting you stupid niggershit
>>64280365
>no main character
Mike, Qui-Gon was the main character.
Why are we still playing dumb about this?
>>64280344
I wasn't pointing out criticisms, I was pointing out rehashed elements that you claimed didn't exist.
New isn't necessarily better. TPM was garbage.
Yes you are joking, because this is a fucking meme thread
>>>/reddit.com/r/movies/
>>64280443
Why does he have no back-story or character arch then?
>>64280420
Nah I'm being cautious this time around, I'll leave it a while and watch it again before I decide how good it is on its own merits. It wasn't a total disaster and that's enough for me for now.
>>64280468
>was pointing out rehashed elements that you claimed didn't exist.
hurr what does criticism mean
>>64276902
Episode 1 pros:
--original storyline
--no re-treading the original trilogy
--THIS IS PODRACING
--duel of the fates
--no death stars
Ep. 7 pros:
--Stormtroopers look like robo-ducks
--McQuarrie X-wings
Official rankings that you're a contrarian memer if you disagree
ESB>ANH>TFA>ROTJ>>>>>>>>>ROTS>>>>TPM>>>>>>>>>>AOTC
epic simply epic
>>64280502
>back story
What is in media res?
>character arc
He's an old man who is characterized by his unorthodox views, and who frequently clashes with the council.
His life's "character arc" is ending as the movie plays out.
Again, in media res.
>>64280561
>TFA > ROTJ
No.
>>64280561
>TFA over ROTJ
the rest is correct
>>64280561
>7 that high
nah
>>64280561
Close but I'd say
ESB>ANH>TFA>ROTJ>>>ROTS>>>>>>>>>>TPM=AOTC
Both are so bad but in totally different aspects
>>64280621
People always remember the Luke v Vader and space battle stuff but forget that most of the movie is a slog around Endor
>>64280657
>TFA over ROTJ again
Again no
>>64280561
> le prequels are bad but TFA is good meme
Disney pls go
>>64280561
>TFA higher than RotJ
No thank you, better to be a contrarian than a pleb with shit taste
>>64280657
>7 still too high
>>64280365
6 would have been better if it had been wookies and not ewoks fighting against the elite storm troopers.
>>64280657
Yes
The only correct
Maybe put the Holiday special between III and I
>>64280664
But the speeder bike chase was pretty cool.
ITT there are folks who believe 1 is better than 7.
Wait, you're serious?
>>64280664
Endor was alright senpaitachi
Don't forget about Jabba's Palace
>>64280672
Ewoks aside ROTJ is fantastic, I liked TFA but there's no comparison.
>>64280694
>Maybe put the Holiday special between III and I
who's a contrarian memer now?
>>64280657
Yeah, this one is perfect. TPM has a lot more wrong with it but AOTC is just so fucking boring that they balance out.
>>64280708
> he says while posting a character worse than Jar Jar
>>64280708
I don't agree with them but I don't find it surprising. TFA wasn't that great,
>>64280708
Mostly just contrarians and memers
Contrarianism=Bad Taste
>>64280725
Replace Ewoks with Wookies and it's literally the best Star Wars movie easily
>>64276902
Both aren't great. It's tough. I think Episode 1 did less that really annoyed me that TFA, but what it did that was annoying was really annoying.
I haven't seen Episode 1 in years though, but I like the premise at least and I hate the premise of TFA.
I'm taking Episode 1.
A 5/10 beats a 5/10.
>>64280708
Yes.
>>64280725
>what is reading comprehension
>>64280763
lazy bait
TFA wasn't a Star Wars
>>64280784
I was agreeing with you senpai
>>64280783
>space politics over rag-tag space adventures
>>64280812
This, TFA was generic action schlock wearing Star Wars blackface
>>64280783
This is a pretty reasonable opinion. I'm less annoyed with the prequels than I am 7.
>>64280812
this
SW is about seeing new things that spark your imagination.
TFA is antithetical to the spirit of SW.
This is really the only correct order.
>>64280859
If TFA was "rag tag space adventures" then sure:
Space politics > rag tag space adventures
>>64280879
You should have a rotten tomatoes account.
>>64280904
Objectively correct
>>64280859
>>space politics
not bad thing at all
>>64279191
This for me as well. When the movie started I thought it would be one of my new favorites. With every 10 minutes that went by, I started lowering and lowering my overall opinion of the film.
>>64280859
But space politics is a more fun ride than coincidence: the movie. The only likable character in TFA gets 5 minutes on screen so it can't even redeem itself that way. At least 1 eventually pans out to more sheev and the greatest scene in star wars.
>>64276902
On their own, TFA is a better film.
But, if you remember that TFA is just an ANH copypasta, TPM wins out.
So, I dunno. It's close. The Force Awaken is fun, it's exciting, it's fast. They had better lightsaber fights, the best in the series. Kylo Ren is a lot deeper of a character than Maul.
But at the same time, The Phantom Menace is a nice, cozy space adventure. It's not too fast but still delivers the action. Maul has a mystique to him that Kylo doesn't (Kylo has humanity to him, removing his mask, while Maul is a straight up monster). Jin works well as a main character while Rey is a Mary Sue.
I'd say they're close. It's comparable. I could have a good time watching either.
>>64280904
1 way too high7 way too low
yeah that's right, fuck you I liked it
>>64280938
For you.
>>64279453
Not a single one of those things was necessary
>>64280904
eh I like AOTC a lot because of nostalgia.
Even so, I think TFA should be on the same level as AOTC.
Good list besides that tho.
>>64280971
Exactly how I felt.
>>64280750
Nice b8 m8
>>64280904
Every one of those is right on but Empire.
Empire is boring as fuck.
I'd rate Clones and Force higher, too.
>>64281026
Every single one of those was more interesting than what TFA brought to the table.
>>64280904
>implying ANYONE here felt that emotion during RotS
you fucking memers
>>64281037
Are you an angsty teen too? I bet you are faggot.
>>64280985
>best lightsaber fights in the series lol
>>64281026
lol
I thought TFA was bretty gud if you can put up with it being 80% rehash. The main problem I had with it was the shitty videogame battle sequences but you know, Abrams so whatever.
>>64281075
I unironically did. I got high just watching it in theaters back in '05.
>>64280904
>empire
>best
Yeah, best to take a nap/shitbreak through. Everything between Hoth and Luke vs Vader is snooze-inducing boredom.
>lol tfa had a superweapon so its bad
>>64280985
>But at the same time, The Phantom Menace is a nice, cozy space adventure.
They're stuck on Naboo for a whole hour just to get a piece of metal.
>>64279251
TFA is more interesting than TPM just by the characters alone
>lel TFA was such a shit movie amirite u guise?
>the prequels weren't as bad as you think they were
can this shitty meme die already so we can have actual discussions about the movie?
>>64279365
no no the reddit opinion would be the one you have and i dont
keep up
>>64281131
The way it charged up was hilarious, literally sucking the sun up like SCHLOOORP. It looked like something from Red Dwarf
>>64281128
>>64281131
>shit taste
>>64281141
>doesn't remember the movie but is criticising it anyway
>>64280985
>Maul has a mystique to him
HAHAHAHAHA
>Jin works well as a main character
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>64281128
I am your father, and yoda is enough to make it the best
>>64281075
I went to pic related in the theater and yeah I felt it
Much cooler on the big screen
>>64281156
>tfw you just want to talk about new star wars but 4chan has turned everyone into bitter arch-hipsters
Phantom Menace is worse because
>poop/fart jokes
>lots of illogical shit, like swimming through the planet core, why'd the TF land on the other side of the planet?
>stupid annoying kid
>stupid annoying animated characters
>Neimodians are unabashed Japanese stereotypes
>Anakin is a worse Mary Sue than Rey when he blows up the spaceship
Also, TFA feels like a movie for a family to see together, TPM is largely aimed at kids, and even the space politics are babby-tier.
>>64281156
>if i dont like it, its a meme
>>64281154
(You)
Episode 1 is better by a landslide
>>64281131
Luke treasure map part of the plot is actually more offensive
>>64281156
But it's not a meme at all. It's the truth. Once the hype dies down for TFA you'll begin to understand.
TPM is the only movie /tv/ will defend with literal fart jokes
>>64281207
Care to actually defend your wrong opinions?
>>64280708
It's apples and oranges, man. It's one cheesy space opera with one liners and explosions vs. another. It's not like we're comparing actual films that aren't just dipping into the trough of the lowest common denominator. In this case I liked the hot lunch I got from TPM more than the sloppy joe that was TFA.
>>64279365
No, the reddit opinion is that it sucks. You're reddit.
>>64281246
This
>>64281154
And this.
Contrarians can GTFO
>>64280561
>TPM>>>>>>>>>>AOTC
I've thought about this for a bit. Everything that happens in AOTC is meaningless, you don't care about nameless clones and shitty droids. But somewhere in that mess, these is some semblance of a plot.
There is no plot in TPM, there is no main character, there is just a jumbled pile of shit that makes no sense whatsoever.
>ATOC>TPM
Has /tv/ become the home for contrarian prequel kids who know they would be beaten up anywhere else for their retarded opinions?
TFA is a good movie, get over it.
>>64281260
I don't agree. 'muh Star Wars' hype aside I think the worst you could throw at TFA is that it's an underwhelming semi-remake that's decently put together with some flaws. I'm more likely to just forget it than spend years marvelling at how shite it was like the prequels.
>>64281197
Not the guy you were talking to, but I have the movie downloaded and decided to check real quick.
They actually are on naboo for roughly 1 hour of the film, counting both the visits.
>>64281141
>movies starts in space
>then they're on naboo in the forest
>then under the water (we've never been under water in star wars before)
>then a city/palace (again, never been here)
>then space again
>then tatooine
>space
>coruscant (big city planet - new)
>back to naboo for the ending which takes place in the field, in the palace, and in space
Pretty diverse setting-wise.
>>64281320
>people disagree with me
>must be contrarians
Go back to tumblr
>>64276902
I'm going with the rehash here over the one that introduced Jar Jar Binks and "I'll try spinning!"
>>64281246
>>poop/fart jokes
Sure
>>lots of illogical shit, like swimming through the planet core, why'd the TF land on the other side of the planet?
>what is fantasy
>>stupid annoying kid
>who is Rey
>>stupid annoying animated characters
>who is Maz "Not Yoda" Kanata
>>Neimodians are unabashed Japanese stereotypes
so?
>>Anakin is a worse Mary Sue than Rey when he blows up the spaceship
TPM bothered to explain that Anakin was extremely powerful in the force.
There is also the fact that we already know Vader will be powerful one day son supension of disbelief is much easier.
Also, Anakin blowing up the control ship was more subtle pottery with ANH than TFA actually literally rehashing the death star trench run.
>>64281218
"I am your father" is the Luke vs Vader fight.
The Yoda stuff is cool if you just watch clips, but in a film, that entire middle chunk drags. Yoda doesn't carry it.
>>64281154
This is true.
TPM has a way way way better musical score.
>>64281373
allow me to show why you're objectively incorrect:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5919C8DE6F720A2D
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL56E3EB1DFD4B64A2
https://youtu.be/ABcXyZn9xjg
>>64281037
>>64281075
>>64281156
How old are you? Be honest
>>64281083
>yfw too austistic to recognize emotional conflict
>>64281154
LMAO, fucking Darth Maul was more interesting than every character in TFA and he's hardly a character..
>>64281339
>Star Wars
>Good Movie
The cream of the crop is okay at best. Unless you literally give no shits about acting or writing.
>>64281353
1 hour, split up. Also, unlike other planets, Naboo is diverse in settings, so much so that you can't really count the underwater city as the same place.
>>64279287
I agree that Episode 1 was ambitious and had a lot of new ideas, but the execution was horrible. Not just a mediocre film, but an objectively bad one. Everything from the designs to the writing to the acting to the tone was poorly crafted.
TFA is very derivative and offers very little that is new, but it is a competently made film. If the original trilogy didn't exist, and we were comparing TFA and TPM as standalone films, everyone would say that TFA is better.
>>64281457
>anyone who disagrees with me is a contrarian
>YOU'RE OBJECTIVELY WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING PERCEIVED SUBJECTIVELY
TPM would've been great if we had more Maul and less Jar Jar.
Also it had a better OST than TFA.
>>64281439
Saying "So?" Is not a proper rebuttal.
>>64281457
>"You might like this movie... If you're a fucking idiot."
Literally Sophistry: The Review
>>64281353
>trying to get a piece of metal
>on naboo
retard alert
>>64281326
>no main character
This has been put down in this thread already.
>>64281504
Spot on.
>>64281457
>three videos
Just fucking type it out then, anon, I'm not watching 3 videos.
>>64281504
>objectively bad
WHETHER SOMEONE THINKS ITS GOOD OR BAD IS NOT OBJECTIVE STOP
>>64281364
A New Hope
>space
>inside ship
>desert planet
>death star
>tree planet (we barely see it, though)
>death star trench
Not very diverse setting-wise.
>>64281535
That's why he spends the next 6 hours explaining why.
>>64281524
Nor is playing the race card.
Hence why I said >so?
>>64281457
good meme
>>64281504
TPM is better than TFA in a vacuum
>>64281455
The music was easily the best thing about Ep I
>>64281517
TFA had an OST?
>>64281504
>If the original trilogy didn't exist, and we were comparing TFA and TPM as standalone films
Conscious strategic decision from Disney - because they know a large chunk of the audience is going to see the movie exactly like this.
>>64276902
Yeah episode 1 had Mcgregor, Neeson, and that Darth Maul fight at the end.
Objectively superior to A Newer Hope in IMAX 3D starring MaREY Sue and the bumbling janitor XD
>>64281600
No he doesn't?
>Episode 8 Climax: Rey faces down Kylo Ren on a desolate, barren planet
>Kylo is on his knees furiously pounding the ground and crying out in frustration and anger; his helmet is split in half and on the ground
>Kylo: RAAAAAAARGH!!! WHY!? AFTER EVERYTHING!! AFTER ALL THAT EFFORT!!! WHY CAN'T I STILL BEAT YOU!!!?
>Kylo: I EVEN..!! I-I even...
>Kylois standing above Ren looking down at him with her lightsaber in her right hand and Kylo's in her left
>Rey: Give up and return to us, I know you can feel the light side beckoning you, it's what your father would have wanted
>Kylo: F-father...I-
>???: *Stop resisting*
>Kylo: !?
>???: *Consume you*
>Kylo hears a voice from within himself and becomes confused
>Kylo: W-who are you? Where are you talking to me from?
>Rey stares at Kylo in confusion
>???: *Your hatred*
>Kylo: I-I...
>Kylo stands up and just stands there quietly
>Rey: Kylo?
>???: *Let it consume you*
>The wind suddenly shifts
>Rey begins to look around with a worried expression
>Rey: What is this prescense?
>Kylo: ...
???: *LET YOUR HATRED CONSUME YOU*
>Kylo slowly raises his hand
>Rey: !?
>Kylo's lightsaber is ripped from Rey's grip
>Rey: K-Kylo!?
>Kylo slowly turns his head towards Rey, his eyes now completely blackened out
>Rey: W-what's happened to you!?
>Kylo extends his hand and summons lighting forth from his fingertips
>Rey: Aghhh!
>Rey manages to block with her lightsaber but is thrown back and lands on her back
>Kylo: I've...
>Kylo begins to laugh maniacally
>Kylo: Awakened
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TazywZDuj9I Starts playing at full blast
>[THE FORCE INTENSIFIES]
>>64281455
Literally can't remember one memorable song from it. Jedi Steps on the other hand...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUBUlKgsNK8
>I felt a renewed energy, and a vitality, and a freshness that did not estrange any of the characters or material from the texture and fabric of Lucas’ creation — but revivified it.
>John Williams
>>64281584
>WHETHER SOMEONE THINKS ITS GOOD OR BAD IS NOT OBJECTIVE STOP
...but I agree. TPM being objectively bad has nothing to do with your personal opinions about it. I dislike the film, but that's not what makes it a bad film. What makes it a bad film is a lack of competence from the people making it.
>>64276902
TPM
>>64281515
It's not about you disagreeing with some guy, retard
It's about you disagreeing with the whole fucking planet.
>>64281326
>TPM
>no plot, no main character
Hi, redditlettermedia, but sorry, you're wrong.
Qui-Gon Jin is the main character. It's very clear. Him being "new" to the series doesn't make him not our main character, nor does him dying at the end (main characters die sometimes).
The plot is simple. Trade Federation are trying to strong-arm the Naboo into doing things their way, and Naboo resists, and the Jedi help. It's not complex because it's a Star Wars film and these film aren't that complex.
>>64281669
His statements aren't meaningless because he spends hours explaining why they're bad movies. Or do you not know what a review is?
>>64281612
>TPM is better than TFA in a vacuum
In terms of everything that matters in filmmaking? Nope. It has a much better score, that's about it.
>>64281676
>Literally can't remember one memorable song from it.
get a brain scan ASAP
>>64281685
>it's objectively bad because I say so
>>64281718
So?
>>64281728
this
I cant believe both dudes from The Raid 2 were in that movie. Are they always a package deal?
>>64281718
i don't even like the prequels bro but just because an opinion is shared by a majority or minority doesnt make it correct, whether it is good or bad is subjective
>>64281626
>TFA had an OST?
What did he mean by this?
>>64281718
Who fucking cares? I guess since it got rave reviews, Crash is a really good movie too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
Hint: it's not. Crash is a terrible movie.
>>64281652
Yikes
>>64276902
>>64281800
I didn't say it makes him incorrect - I said it makes him contrarian.
>>64281782
Because you're disagreeing for the sole purpose of having a different opinion
No one with taste enjoys the prequels
>>64276902
Well TPM certainly has a better poster. That's a god damn fact.
>>64281782
>get a brain scan ASAP
>>64281840
>anyone that shares the minority opinion and speaks up about it is a contrarian
Fuck off
>>64281808
So now that you lost you don't "fucking care"
Okay
gg no re
>>64281774
You're wrong. Sorry.
>>64281767
He says nothing objective.
Shot reverse shot is not an objectively bad thing.
TPM has a main character (Qui-Gon).
I could go on but you are convinced you're right, and I'm too tired to agrue for the next few hours.
*a tip for you*
>>64281483
Anakin in RotS had emotional conflict. These faggot just has bad writing.
>>64281676
>Duel of The Fates
>>64281676
>can't remember duel of fates
so you're obviously some millennial girl who only started watching star wars after the big bang theory told you nerd culture was cool and mainstream, right?
>>64281885
That's the literal definition of the word, idiot.
>>64281782
>>it's objectively bad because I say so
It's objectively bad because none of the elements a film needs to be a serviceable piece of entertainment exists in the movie. It has fans based solely around the fact that it's set in a universe created decades ago with universally-beloved concepts like lightsabers and stormtroopers.
I rewatched the prequels on Sunday before I went to TFA a 2nd time.
Episode I is trash and Episode II is somehow worse.
>>64281890
Ask anyone outside this bored with basic film knowledge and they'll tell you they the prequels are bad movies.
>>64281676
>Literally can't remember one memorable song from it.
Laziest bait I've read in a while.
>>64281890
Shot reverse shot gets used in the original trilogy a lot.
>i love you
>i know
Shot reverse shot, and it's one of the best scenes in Empire and the whole series.
Like you said, shot reverse shot isn't bad.
>>64281933
What's wrong with them having minority opinion then
>>64281857
>Because you're disagreeing for the sole purpose of having a different opinion
Firs of all, prove it.
Secondly, this is hardly an argument and this post proves how retarded you are. to be contrarian means to have an opinion that differs from the popular mindset. It has nothing to do with going against the popular opinion just for the sake of spiting said popular opinion.
If I use your flawed logic, that means I should start calling you contrarian if you didn't like Avatar, since most people who watched it like it.
>>64281895
Ren > prequel Anakin by a mile. In a fraction of the screen time he managed to sell the character, whether you like the character or not. Watching Christiansen felt like watching Dawson's creek or something, every scene felt like it should have ended with him tearfully storming out to his Honda. Driver was ok at best but he came off like a character in a magic space movie.
>>64282008
Did I say there is something wrong with it...?
>>64281676
>He doesn't remember the best OST from all things Star Wars
Are you pretending to be retarded right now?
Oh look its a prequels is better than episode VII meme thread
>>64282022
This isn't about disagreeing with financial numbers this is about disagreeing with the general consensus, which in this case, is pretty much correct.
>>64282061
>playing dumb
ok champ
>>64281890
>You're wrong. Sorry.
Wrong about TPM having a decent score? Okay man, I was just trying to say something positive. That's on you.
Like I said, you can like the films, or you can hate them. That's a subjective opinion based on personal preference and a lifetime of experiences that has shaped the person you are. Filmmaking techniques on the other hand can be judged objectively, as well as the intentions of the director, and George utterly failed to capture his vision on film.
>>64282077
It's not a meme. Episodes 1 and 3 are both better than TFA.
>>64282008
Nothing, just be ready to defend and support it.
>>64282114
Nice meme
>>64282022
Indeed.
Contrarian != Hipster
Though I would argue going so far as pretending to like the prequels veers dangerously close to serious next-level hipsterism.
>>64278247
It was a carbon copy
>>64282087
That doesn't change anything I said.
>>64282114
Epic one bro, can I save it?
>>64282129
>capitalization but no punctuation
dumb phoneposter
>>64281895
Ren introduced the concept of a dark sider being tempted and seduced by the light side, a level of depth a villain has never really had in Star Wars. We've always seen characters like Luke/Anakin be tempted by the dark and assumed that this was a thing unique to Jedi. Kylo Ren as a whole has much more characterization than any of the previous villains. Maul has literally one line, Dooku's motivations are absurd, Grievous/Palpatine are cartoon characters, and Vader is literally a glorified thug in ANH.
Yes, Ren is an angsty annoying child. That doesn't make him a bad character.
>>64282129
>>64282187
Epic.
>>64282070
RotS has a better OST
>>64276902
Episode 1 was a Star Wars movie with campy action and bad acting.
Episode 7 felt like someone watched some Star Wars trailers and tried to make a movie about them with decent acting and great action sequences.
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>>64282213
>Ren introduced the concept of a dark sider being tempted and seduced by the light side,
What is Vader in RoTJ?
fucking retard
>>64282213
>concept of a dark sider being tempted and seduced by the light side, a level of depth a villain has never really had in Star Wars
Probably because said concept is retarded and makes zero sense based on what we formerly know of the nature of light and dark side, or even good and evil in real life / real religions & philosophy.
Evil is tempting because it's easy and promises rewards. Good is hard work and not always rewarding.
>>64282213
>Ren introduced the concept of a dark sider being tempted and seduced by the light side, a level of depth a villain has never really had in Star Wars.
Darth Vader says hi. Revan says hi. Kyle Katarn says hi.
Is it safe to assume that Giant Voldemort isn't the real main villain? Because I quite liked TFA but that shit was weak
>>64279926
The ENTIRE FUCKING PREQUEL TRILOGY is unecessary. You learn everything you need to know about Anakin and his struggle by watching A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.
>>64282022
>>64282143
It's ok to have minority opinion but the Star Wars prequels were just so bad I just expected anon's here to have better taste, that's all.
You can say you like Burton Batman more than Nolan but both are good Batmans. The prequels are just so bad and the OT + TFA are so good (an opinion held by an overwhelming amount of people) that disagreeing puts you in a weird place.
At this point I'll just agree to disagree.
>>64282291
>What is Vader in RoTJ?
Utterly unconvincing is what he is. He switches allegiances at the drop of a dime, for seemingly no reason, and apparently listlessly flinging an old man off a balcony makes up for a lifetime of murdering children and committing genocide.
RotJ is honestly kind of a bad movie when you rewatch it. We never see Vader being seduced by anything, he just suddenly decides, "Oops, time to betray the Emperor now!" By introducing the conflict this early, it actually feels like the force is tempting Kylo and he's struggling to fight against it.
>>64279438
How old were you when Phantom was released?
>>64282316
0/10
why waist the bandwidth
>>64282387
That still doesn't change anything I said.
>>64282276
>great action sequences
The more personal moments like Ren/Finn/Rey were done pretty well without too much backflipping around bullshit but the battles were awful. I'll never understand what's so hard about having battles where people react to a sequence of events like ROTJ and not just MORE SHIT FLYING AROUND CONSTANTLY
>>64282409
Did you skip ESB?
>>64282383
nah
>>64281956
Yeah due to this memeing here I tried to rewatch the prequels
/tv/ nearly convienced me that they are not bad
but no they are abysmal trash
I tried to appreciate the "good parts" pointed out by the prequel memers but it was just fucking bad
It was so unpleasent to watch these movies I felt like I was watching cutscenes from a C&C game.
>>64282485
>>64282485
>people keep telling me how great the action scenes in TFA were
>Watch movie
>Dindu vs Tr8-R was meh
>Finn vs Kylo was meh
>Kylo vs Sue was meh
I don't get it, where were the amazing fights I was told about?
>>64282340
>Revan says hi. Kyle Katarn says hi.
No they don't, they don't exist anymore.I'm aware the EU has always had more depth than the movies, but we're not talking about that.
>>64282316
It's actually completely accurate to the portrayal of the Force in Star Wars. We've always been told that the Force has a will that it expresses to force-sensitives. We've also been told that a Jedi's strength comes from ignoring his own emotions and desires and to become a conduit through which the will of the Force is made manifest. A Sith on the other hand, gains strength through emotion and passion, ignoring the will of the Force and using it as a tool to get what he wants. That's what Kylo Ren aspires for.
>>64276902
Episode 1 is better in every way, and it hurts me to say it, but it's true
>>64282409
I think the idea is that being seduced to the dark side was a slow process of being manipulated into something he never wanted to be, so when he just goes 'LOL I'M GOOD NOW' it's his real self breaking through his conditioning.
>>64276902
Episode 1 is better, it has some epic battles. Ep. 7 however, has.. hm, 2 hours of nothing really
>>64280561
5>4>6=3>1>7>2
>>64282522
I don't believe you?
>>64282562
Well maybe you should have said "all the star wars movies" and not "all of star wars"
Even if it was the former, you're still wrong.
>>64282560
>I don't get it, where were the amazing fights I was told about?
You just listed them with a bunch of meme opinion next to them.
>>64282409
He begged the emperor not to make him kill luke and went through a lot of effort to make sure his son had the chance to join them so the emperor would keep alive. He clearly cared about Luke the whole time.
>>64282409
>We never see Vader being seduced by anything, he just suddenly decides, "Oops, time to betray the Emperor now!"
There's a shot right before this that fucking underlines him hesitating while watching his own son being cruelly tortured by his boss.
You shouldn't need hours of exposition to be able to imagine what goes through his head in that moment.
>>64281675
This might be one of the worst posts I've seen in my ten years on 4chan. I do realize it's probably from another site, but hot diggety damn.
>>64282496
Not that guy, but ESB actually supports his argument.
In ESB, Vader is the baddest of badasses. He outthinks and outmaneuvers the rebels, He's one step ahead of them at all times, and the movie ends with the most brutal lightsaber fight in the series up to that point, with Darth Vader cutting off Luke's hand, going "Oh by the way, I fucked ur mum", and then watching unblinkingly as his own son falls, presumably, to his death.
And then, suddenly, in ROTJ, he cares very deeply about Luke, and Luke is all "Despite the fact that you murdered millions of people, exploited an entire galaxy for your own gain and left me to die on a floating deathtrap without a second thought, I SENSE GOOD IN YOU!"
>>64282610
>meme
meme
ITT: baiters baiting baiters
>>64282609
>Even if it was the former, you're still wrong.
I'm not, as evident by your blanket statement with literally no attempt at making an actual argument.
>Well maybe you should have said "all the star wars movies" and not "all of star wars"
I think it was pretty obvious we're talking about the films, seeing how this is a film board, not a forum for you to proselytize defunct fanfiction.
>>64282213
Ren showing so much loyalty to Snoke and Vader (whom he never met) that he's willing to kill his father is one of the dumbest points of the movie unless he was shown to be a psycho, which he was not. It would make more sense if he was a cold blooded killer and confidently killed Han but having him cry and feel some sort of remorse during that entire play completely ruined his character.
>>64282585
Yeah...one of the series most iconic characters dying is nothing, huh?
>>64282560
Those were all the good ones though. Just well-paced down to earth fights that moved the plot along (Tr8-R excepted). It made lightsabre duels look dangerous as fuck again rather than ninjas swinging glowsticks around. I just wish the shipbased stuff had done the same instead of being a load of whacky camera moves and orange shit flying around with no coherence
>>64282604
God, I wish I had that webm.
Anyone have that webm from Attack of the Clones? The first two or three minutes of the attack in the arena and the first battle of the clone wars? The scene that was so bad it took an entire thread to convince people that it was ACTUALLY FROM THE MOVIE?
>>64282485
>>64282560
It was much better action than any of the prequels.
I felt a bit of a rush when watching the TR-8R fight and then again with Kylo vs Ren & Fin.
When qui gon and kenobi were fighting shit in Ep 1 and had all the cheesy dialogue banter going between them while fighting, and even the darth maul sequence. It just felt fucking stale, staged and badly acted.
Can you give us some examples of good action that is not in the star wars universe to give us "FoA had great action" people some point of reference for what you feel constitutes great action?
>>64282654
>You shouldn't need hours of exposition to be able to imagine what goes through his head in that moment.
I'd prefer it though. Not in terms of Vader, of course. That's why I like Kylo. In a movie with very little new, he feels like the freshest addition.
>>64282585
>epic
>>64282562
>We've always been told
I don't remember that prequel mumbo jumbo being in the real star wars movies.
>>64282667
Still tries to get Luke to join him instead of outright killing him like every single jedi before as told by obi wan.
IV: 9/10
V: 9.5/10
IV: 8/10
I: top
II: kek
III: 7.5/10
VII: 8/10
>>64282682
Even if that is so, not all things outside of movies were removed from canon. The cartoons are all canon and the KotoR series are also canon.
>>64276902
>episode 7
Honestly, the whole concept of Starkiller Base was a shark-jumping moment.
Would have been better off with just a capital ship engagement.
They didn't even have Y-Wings.
>>64281929
>>64281975
>>64282070
Saw it in theaters when it came out m8s. Movie was shit then, and it's been shit every time I've watched it since, so I'm afraid it hasn't left a big impression on me. Duel of the Fates is actually as good as anything in the new film, now that I go back and listen to it. It's just that it didn't accompany anything very good. Songs in movies have meaning to you when they add meaning to a memorable scene.
>>64282784
Kotor isn't canon, although theyre bringing back parts of it
>>64282689
Unless he's actually space Snape and plans to betray Snoke and killed Dumbledore only to gain his loyalty.
>>64282829
Kotor is referenced in the Clone Wars Cartoon. It's canon.
>>64282689
We don't need another cold-blooded killer Sith. That shit has been done.
For all the complaining about how derivative TFA is, you people don't seem to want anything new.
>>64282585
>>64281676
>>64282825
But Jedi steps that you posted is just reused bits from previous stuff set to a shitty helicopter scene with the most awkward pause of all time.
>>64282857
Then the specific things mentioned that were in the Clone Wars cartoon are canon, and the rest isn't.
>>64282728
I was agreeing about the duels, I thought they were great. I just love the OT space battles for how they feel like The Dam Busters or something without being completely over the top. I was hopeful TFA would bring some of that back but they were just a load of empty 'lol epic' shots that did nothing for me.
>>64282129
Nice momo, faggot
(meme response to alleged meme)
