Who is the most powerful person in this scene in terms of the force?
>>64264421
sheev
Luke > Vader > Sheev
>>64264446
what about yoda?
The star wars saga never really decided where it wanted Sheev to be in terms of raw power.
At the time of its Jedi's filming, it seems like Sheev is supposed to be the most powerful, but the prequels and EU make it pretty clear that Vader surpasses him, and since Luke surpasses Vader, Luke SHOULD be the most powerful, but what we instead end up with is a huge contradiction.
>>64264481
downboat
If Vader surpassed Sheev, why didn't he overthrow him?
>>64264481
Fuck you.
>>64264547
Well to point this out Sheev is the only one left that Vader has left
>>64264509
Sheev kept Vader weaker than he was so he wouldn't betray him. Anakin was probably the most powerful. I always figured Luke was weaker, but Vader never wanted to kill him.
>>64264421
yoda > prime ani > luke > vader > dindu > sheev > maul > obi wan > qui gon > the rest
>>64264509
>the prequels and EU make it pretty clear that Vader surpasses him
>EU
disregarded
how does Vader surpass him at all in the prequels? anakin can't even into force lighting or levitating large objects, not to mention the force mind fuck powers and his ability to transform into a demon.
>>64264547
Vader was stronger in the force, but he was extremely vulnerable to Sith lightning, being a cyborg, so he was at a disadvantage against Sheev.
>>64264421
Sheev > Vader > Luke
We're talking pure understanding of how to wield the force. Luke is the most powerful in the sense that he can resist the dark side. We all know the good > evil in Star Wars.
Honest question where did this sheev stuff come from. When did he get a name?
I hate that the new Canon explains the 1970s fighting in the originals as everyone just getting shit in their old age.
>>64264647
Book. I prefered the old reason Sheev Didn't have a first name
>>64264627
>good > evil in Star Wars
to an extent, yes. dark side of the force helps you develop your strength more rapidly. you get to achieve your prime in a shorter amount of time, but your skill cap is lower. the light side is the opposite. you start weak and your progress is slow but your prime peaks higher
so in the short run, dark side is stronger. long run, light side will always win
>>64264588
Vader literally spent all the time between the end of ANH into the beginning of ESB trying to pin down Luke because hes the motherfucker that blew up the Death Star and turned Vader into the galaxy's biggest clown. He genuinely wanted Luke dead, and the only person he wanted dead more than Luke was Sheev.
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Anakin Skywalker (as Darth Vader)
3. Yoda
4. Mace Windu
5. Sheev Palpatine (as Darth Sidious)
6. Count Dooku (as Darth Tyranis)
7. Obi-Wan Kenobi
8. Kit Fisto
9. Darth Maul
10. Qui-Gin Gin
11. Ben Solo (as Kylo-Ren)
12. Rey Skywalker
We don't have enough canon evidence to rank the power level of other prominent jedi like Mundi.
Grevious is not force sensative.
Leia is not a Jedi, but it is implied she is capable of being as powerful as Luke.
"Midi-chlorian counts, used to determine a being's potential in the Force, could be tested by examining a subject's blood. The highest known midi-chlorian count—over 20,000—belonged to Anakin Skywalker"
>>64264693
And when Vader finally gets the chance he doesn't kill Luke in ESB. Sheev wanted Luke alive so he could get a new, younger apprentice
>>64264741
>>>/out/
>>64264598
>prequel anakin more powerful than Vader
110% incorrect
>>64264754
>>>/btfo/
>>64264741
Luke and Leia have higher counts
Not that it matters, because the prequels are essentially non canon now
>>64264788
>the prequels are essentially non canon now
Bs
>>64264701
>darth maul
>weaker than OBK or Kit Fisto
Darth Maul could've beaten both Qui Gon and Obi Wan in the same fucking day fighting both at the same time if not for a major fuck-up in the last moment of their fight
>>64264844
>He would've won up to the point where he lost
I think he beat Qui Gon soley due to Qui Gons style was very rigid and couldn't adapt to situations quickly. Also the Jedi had never fought a Sith before in hundreds of years.
>>64264836
I mean, they're technically canon, but them being so contradicts a lot of things about the OT and TFA.
They're being TREATED as if they're not canon.
>>64264757
>implying robot part replacements made ani stronger
his cyborg shit was replacement, not enhancement. Vader was lanky as fuck and his agility was shit. yes, he had a greater control of the force but he was shit at combat
>>64264685
Which is why Luke is so fucking scary in 7. I think Jew Jew got that one right.
>>64264876
Nope.
Vader is much stronger in the force than he was in episode 3.
>>64264865
Also the Sith had never fought a Jedi before in hundreds of years.
>>64264741
Taking this into account, Vader having robot limbs means he would have less of his body tissue/cells yes? Wouldn't that mean his midi-chlorian count as Vader would be a lot lower than it was when he was Anakin Skywalker?
the only one who might be stronger than sheev is yoda. prime anakin couldve been but he got limbs torn off and lungs etc massively damaged so he never got to that level.
>>64264701
>random gook assholes like mace windu, kit disto and qui gon gin being stronger than rey and kylo
Okay fuck you, you got me, i'm laughing hard.
>>64264909
What displays of the force does he do in OT that makes you say that?
>>64264915
Pretty sure Sheev sent Maul on missions to track and assassinate Jedi as part of his training. He almost took out Qui Gon when he rolled up on him on that speeder.
>>64264909
that's what i said. his CQC and physical strength was gone
>>64264909
no shit idiot, of course his force powers became stronger
his point was if anakin didnt lose his body he could jump around, use force lightning, and all that other crap that he's physically unable to do as a cyborg
>>64264844
Padawan Obi solo'd him. Pre-OT Master Obi would've fucked him sideways.
>>64264975
>The overly coreagraphed CGI shitfests of the prequels are more canon than the OT
Nope.
Glad to see TFA doing away with them.
>>64264909
compare how he moves here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xP3fI7yn5s
and here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A
>inb4 OT lightsaber duel sucked, that's why
he still looked stiff and slow
>>64265002
Hey, man. Tone it down a little.
>>64264547
Vader owes his life to Sheev up until Sheev fucks with his son.
>>64264421
obviously sheev
>>64264909
>>64264975
that doesn't make sense
i thought it was canon that anakin lost overall power in the force after the prequels due to losing his limbs since the force manifests strongly only in organic material
he was still strong as hell but he never reached his true potential
>>64265024
The fighting of the prequels was a shitty innovation by George, one of many.
They have been essentially deemed non canon with TFA and the Disney take over.
Vader doesn't move "stiff" in the OT because he's less capable, he moves that way because the directors of TESB and ROTJ directed it that way.
>>64265002
>Glad to see TFA doing away with them.
Source this or get out.
>>64265059
>that doesn't make sense
>i thought it was canon that anakin lost overall power in the force after the prequels due to losing his limbs since the force manifests strongly only in organic material
That's not true at all... Where did you hear that?
What is this, DBZ? You want a power reading? You want /tg/, then you can ask how much XP Palpatine's worth
>>64265103
Have you watched the movies? Kylo/Finn/Rey all use their sabers like how someone would wield a bastard sword. In the prequels the sabers had zero weight and required no effort to cut through stuff or to swing.
>>64265103
Watch TFA
We are back to non CGI, non overly complex coreagraphed duels, like in the OT.
Only fucking children actually think the PT duels are better because LOL SO MUCH FAST
>>64265122
idk wookiepedia or some shit
so OT vader is actually stronger in the force than prequel anakin?
>>64265059
You're right, that's exactly it.
did we all forget how sheev tracked down darth maul and savage opress and totally sheeved the both of them with barely any effort? And Maul/Savage were beating down jedi left and right with little to no effort. Obi Wan cut the fucker in half and it didn't kill him. I'm not saying he's more powerful than luke but give him some credit, he had some gud skills.
>>64264547
>>64264583
>>64265050
>Vader is stronger than Palpatine
Lol. It's stated in many sources (both EU and still canon for the fags that will cry about that) that Darth Sidious is the strongest Sith Lord to have ever lived. If Vader ever got too uppity he'd just shock the shit out of him.
Go look up Silver2467's Palpatine/Sidious respect thread on Comicvine if you want a few hundred sources to bad that claim up. While you're at it stop talking about shit you don't know.
>>64264421
Vader would've been more powerful if he hadn't lost his legs and skin which contained 40% of his midichlorians
Luke is a straight up busta
Sheev is very powerful indeed, even more powerful than Yoda
>>64265225
What are those midichlorian things you mention? I'm afraid i don't understand what you're talking about friendo.
>who is the most powerful person in this scene
>the emperor is literally the emperor of the galaxy
how can white bois even compete
>>64264421
canon answer is always Emperor
Vitiate would pwn all of them
>>64264509
The point of the whole thing isn't who has the most DBZ/Videogame like powerlevel, but that the light can win over the dark, even at the direst of moments. And that makes Luke the most powerful, not his "powerlevel" or skill as a force user, but the choices he made and his overall resolve in trying not to stave of the path that includes the positive qualities we associate with light in metaphysic thought.
>>64265222
But the EU isn't canon so I bet most of Silver2467's examples are moot.
>>64265288
>handwaving, the post
I keep seeing Sheev as the most powerful but he got picked up like the boipussy he is by Vader and got tossed down a shaft. Sheev might have been a great strategist and planner, but raw strength or force use? No fucking way, Vader and Luke had him beat.
Just too bad George made him into a force and saber God, so now the ending of RotJ is confusing as shit considering how he dies.
>>64264421
In all the Star wars canon?
Sheev (SPIN: ON)=Obi wan (uneven ground)>=Yoda>Dindu>Sheev SPIN:OFF (Palpatine)=Prime Ani>Luke>Vader>Count Doku>Darth Maul>Obi Wan (even ground)>Qui Gon>Noob Ani>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rest of the Jedi>Noob Luke
>>64265222
I wonder who could be behind this post
>>64265297
How about you go check it out. There's a lot of crap there. I'm certain a few are canon.
Regardless, Palpatine is the Emperor of the entire galaxy and was the end of Darth Bane's (inb4 CIA) Rule of Two dynasty. He was bred over a thousand years to be the most powerful Sith Lord.
It was always the Emperor
its slightly implied that Darth Plagueis is stronger tho
EU shit like Darth Bane and Yuuzhan Vong doesnt count as usual
Disney
>>64265220
even weak sith are strong compared to jedi
back when sith were more common even jedi masters had difficulty with trained sith apprentices
there's a reason the dark side is seductive. it's an easy path to great power. to get the same shit with the light side of the force you have to go meditate in a cave for 10 years or some other fag shit like that.
>>64265222
Anakin would have become far more powerful than the Emperor - it's pretty difficult to dismiss a line from RotS - but didn't because his cybernetic replacements made him weaker in the force although boosting his physical strength and stamina.
>>64265337
DARTH BANE?
Sheev is the most powerful, Vader had the greatest potential but got rekt by Obi-Wan and later Sheev probably took advantage and fucked with his recovery process, so Vader couldn't challenge him and had to settle on being the Emperor's lap dog.
>>64265059
vader reached his maximum potential as a cyborg body, he does became stronger than the anakin in rots
if anakin didnt get toasted he wouldve mastered his powers and become stronger than he was as vader
>>64265351
Why does he wear the mask?
>>64265372
right, that makes sense
>>64265376
what a fag
>>64265358
this.
Same goes for Luke. He has a way greater potential than Sheev but we dont know for sure yet. Snoke could be the most powerful now too but we dont know anything yet
ok /tv/ how do i become a sith lord
>>64265385
Congratulations, you got yourself betrayed. Was getting killed part of your plan?
>>64265348
A lot of Vader's failings were psychological too. After fighting his best friend and killing his wife and (so he thought) unborn child he was filled with regret. Couple that with destroying the life he'd know for over a decade in the Jedi Temple and his participation in ushering in an oppressive galactic empire that slaughtered his former colleagues it left him emotionally empty. His connection to the Force was pretty dulled by all the trauma he'd inflicted on the galaxy and himself.
But nobody talks about that.
>>64265423
Canon: getting your power from grief and anger etc. being impatient.
Kotor: being an asshole
LOL
>>64265423
First you must get PISSENING striations
>>64265432
how was the empire oppressive
>>64265423
travel to the planet korriban (or morabund if you prefer) and engage in philosophical debates with a sith force ghost while he tries to take over your body
turn the tables on him once he teaches you enough sith secrets and dark side powers and banish him from the mortal claim and then proclaim yourself as the new reigning dark lord of the sith. at this point you can take a darth title or not, it's not mandatory.
this is usually followed by empire building, taking over a planet or moon with an easily exploitable low-tech race that looks on you as god and waging a war you can't win on a larger foe that looks weak at the start
>>64265463
>"Fear will keep the local systems in line...fear of this battle station"
Can anyone explain it. How Sheev let Vader toss him down a fucking shaft? I guess he shocked the fuck outta Vader, but that fucker had one hand and still managed to end Sheevs life.
>>64264421
>in terms of the force
Fuck off with your PT shit power levels.
>>64265423
1. Be a Force-sensitive angsty teenager.
2. Catch the attention of a Sith in hiding looking for an apprentice.
>>64264421
Sheev, he can shoot lightning, can predict the future to some degree, and probably stopped aging.
Luke had no defense, even if he had his saber.
>>64265024
Its not really fair, since in IV they had to keep the sabers at a certain angle and couldn't really bang them together woth them shattering. By VI they had better props though.
For V and VI I chalk a lot up to Vader not wanting to kill Luke, and Luke not even wanting to fight in VI.
Also, Anikin became one with the force right? Does that,mean his body also disapeared?
>>64265477
Because at the time of RotJ being made Palpatine wasn't written to be as ridiculously powerful as he was in the prequels and EU.
Like someone else in the thread said it's not quite clear how powerful he was in RotJ.
>>64265477
He couldn't spin while he was being grabbed.
>>64265476
Would you say the Roman or British empires were oppressive? They both ruled their client kingdoms by fear of their army/navy
>>64264754
He doesn't kill Luke in ESB because he wanted to use him to kill Sheev - the person he wants dead the most. That almost came true at the end of ROTJ when Luke broached the dark side and turned towards Sheev with saber in hand. Then Luke threw it away, and Vader finally saw the good person that he should have been in Luke and gave his life for Luke.
>>64265497
>Also, Anikin became one with the force right? Does that,mean his body also disapeared?
i always interpreted it so that Vader took over the body and Anakins "soul" became one with the force and returned at the end of VI
>>64265507
>>64265510
So was he a fucking bodybuilder that won Mr Universe. But once he got the title he stopped lifting and let himself go. Only to get picked up and tossed down a shaft and explode.
>>64265510
This
>>64265535
bretty good
>>64265507
Sheev lost to Mace Windu. He wasn't ridiculously powerful, he was on par with a typical Jedi Master. His duel with Yoda ended in a tie, since Yoda ran out of time to assassinate him. His beatdown of Luke was due to Luke's own inexperience in writing off Sheev as just some old guy.
>>64265583
Mace Windu was probably the best Jedi with a lightsaber, and it is implied that Sheev sensed Anakin was coming so he manipulated the whole scene to make Mace the dindu look like the evil guy.
>>64265583
losing to windu and tieing with yoda puts him in the top 3 most powerful jedi/sith to ever live
that fits the definition of "ridiculously powerful"
>>64265583
Sheev only pretended to lose against Dindu to seduce Anakin, plus his spin Attack ran out of power quickly (it lasts only 40 second on average) and he had to kill those 3 or 4 jedis before having the chance to kill Dindu.
>>64265583
>Sheev lost to Mace Windu
He was merely pretending you mug
>>64265633
George stats in the god damn RotS novel that Sheev was beaten by Mace. Sheev might have hammed it up after Anakin showed up but he was literally shitting his pants when Mace was stopping his force lightning.
>>64265654
>RotS novel
not canon friendo
>>64265633
>>64265638
>>64265649
>>I was only pretending to be losing!
Thanks George
>>64265654
Again, probably beat him with the lightsaber but ultimately beat him with manipulation and cunning.
>>64265669
>>64265583
He didn't use his full power against Mace Windu because he sensed Anakin.
The true extent of his power has never been shown.
George Lucas himself stated that Luke is the most powerful Jedi that ever lived.
>>64265722
Most powerful JEDI
>>64265673
See
>>64265689
Mace failed to see Anakin's inner turmoil and that was his undoing, so in a way Sheev ultimately was more powerful even though he got rekt with the lightsaber.
>>64265700
>Didn't use full power
>Turns his face into a vagina due to the strain of his force lightning
I hate this meme that Sheev is some all powerful gigaforce user. Bitch got tossed down a hole by a cyborg with one hand.
I dont really give a fuck what anyone else says, Anakin Skywalker is the most powerful force user ever and he also has the best story arc in star wars and it will never be topped in my mind.
>>64265700
The full extent of his powered WAS shown, it was him powered by the Spin attack killing 4 Jedis with little to no effort, the problem is that the Spin attack effect lasts only a few seconds, so he ran out of power quickly and got beaten by Dindu, if Dindu didn't bring those Jedi with him he would have been killed by Sheev (SPIN: ON) pretty easily, it's implied.
>>64265471
Imagine being a Sith Lord with a little more meager and realistic goals. One that would be content with lording over a system or a cluster instead of a whole Galaxy. Might even live long enough to die of natural causes if the rule of two doesn't catch up with him first.
>>64265756
You just know the Jedi would have to stick their dicks in your business
>>64265741
>>Turns his face into a vagina due to the strain of his force lightning
His face turned weird because that's how he really looks, being 1000 years old and all. He'd been keeping his normie face on for a long time and he knew could finally take it off.
>>64265756
I think that contradicts the Sith ideal, they embrace and get power from their lust, so they'd never be able to settle for a small system.
>>64265786
This.
Quite accurate desu.
>>64265786
>being 1000 years old
Wait, what?
>>64265786
>normie face
>how he really looks
truly it was the beginning of the beta uprising
>>64265786
Pretty sure he is a normal human with a normal life span. He fugged up his face from the strain of the force lightning.
what if Mace Dindu just killed Sheev?
>>64265779
Of course, it comes with the territory. But maybe if you conquer a remote sector that's not usually on their radar, you could isolate and prepare it enough for coming attacks well enough that it just wouldn't be in the republic and even the Jedi's interest to continue bothering with you when you aren't really being a threat to the core systems.
>>64265847
Him being 1000 years old and using a normie disguise is canon mate
>>64265743
FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THE JEDI ARE EVIL
>>64265834
>>64265826
>>64265786
wrong, he's 82 when the Battle of Yavin happened. The fucked up face is probably caused because the Dark Side corrupts the body.
>>64265888
no doubt the dark side corrupts the body, but he's also a thousand years old
>>64265729
Well Yoda said that dark side is not stronger so
>>64265876
The new novel titled Tarkin explains that Sheev was born on Naboo and was roughly 80 something years old when Vader toss his boipussy down a shaft.
>>64265860
Padme dies giving birth. Anakin regrets not saving her but keeps himself busy with the responsibility of raising and training his two twin offspring in the Jedi Order. The Clone Wars end and the Jedi go back to their business of maintaining the Republic for another thousand years.
>>64265920
He's not 1000 years old, check your sources
>>64264701
Is Kit Fisto really this strong? I thought he was just some asshole with tentacles
>>64265938
>implying Sheev told anyone the truth of his Sith origins
>>64265938
>>64265953
yes the man known as sheev has existed for 80-odd years but the creature known as darth sidious has existed for 1000 years or more
>>64265965
>my head canon is true canon
>>64265222
If Sheev is so strong why did he die to Vader simply picking him up and throwing him away?
Surely a sith lord as powerful as him could have done something to stop that from happening.
Seriously his death is fucking retarded.
>>64265722
Wtf? He couldn't even defend himself against force lightning. How was he the most powerful?
>>64264701
1. Luke Skywalker
2.Jar-Jar Binks
3. Anakin Skywalker (as Darth Vader)
4. Yoda
5. Mace Windu
6. Sheev Palpatine (as Darth Sidious)
7. Count Dooku (as Darth Tyranis)
8. Obi-Wan Kenobi
9. Kit Fisto
10. Darth Maul
11. Qui-Gin Gin
12. Ben Solo (as Kylo-Ren)
13. Rey Skywalker
>>64265973
source: your ass
>>64264547
He did overthrow him....right over the rail.
>>64265973
>Sheev Palpatine now has the power to become a baby and be birthed from a person
Glad his power level is returning to RotJ levels. EU was fucking cancer.
>>64265991
He didn't die, we never see him die, fucking idiot.
>>64266048
Han didn't die, we never see him die, fucking idiot.
>>64266048
>Thrown down a shaft hundreds of feet down
>Gigantic blue explosion and fireball
Nah he's fine.
>>64264421
Luke in terms of potential, Sheev at that moment had more experience and knowledge tho.
>>64264547
Vader's crippled body and mind didn't have the same raw potential Anakin did. He couldn't surpass Sheev on his own anymore, that's why he needed Luke.
>>64265534
Did the Roman empire blow up whole kingdoms just to teach someone a lesson?
>>64266069
Err... the explosion was caused by Sheev's force power? fucking idiot.
We never see his body disintegrate, he just saw that he was outnumbered by two Jedis as soon as Vader (Anakin) grabbed him, he knew that two Jedi (especially those two) mean trouble and as soon as he sensed Vader's intention to throw him in the reactor he let himself be thrown.
We KNOW Sheev always chooses the easy way out and that was the easy way out, faking his death wpuld have been so easy at that point, a quick force jump and force shield and he could have escaped and that's most likely what he did.
Palpatine is a master mind don't forget that.
>>64265996
Well, he didn't even try. He tossed his lightsaber away, remember?
Reminder that Obi Wan is the best and Anakin never beat him, not even as Vader
Dooku is his Achilles heel but other than that he's pretty much unbeatable with the high ground
>>64266139
Vader was destined to destroy the Sith. Seein as the Emperor and Vader were the last of the Sith, well, you can figure it out.
>>64264421
I don't know how you can't make that up from what actually fucking happens.
It starts with Emperor>Luke>Vader = Darkside
Luke is able to beat Vader with the darkside, Emperor is starting to control him and already has Vader as a puppet.
Luke goes away from the darkside, the powerlevels end as:
Vader>Emperor>Luke'
Vader gets boosted from going away from the darkside for the love of his son, a last jolt of power that will kill him afterwards, but enables him to kill the Emperor. While Luke gets raped by Emperor.
>>64265860
he pulls off sheev's face, puts it on and says "I'm the sith lord now".
>>64266159
Dooku only won because of the even ground, had the ground been uneven like Obi vs Prime Ani or Obi vs Darth Maul, Obi wan would have killed Dooku easily.
>>64266139
fanfiction.net up in here. I suppose Jack Sparrow swooped in to catch him, like they planned five years prior?
>>64266159
Anakin lost only because he wasn't thinking rationally in their duel. If he was in the same mindset when he BTFO Dooku he would have defeated Obi-Wan.
>>64266159
The only thing that can counter high ground is a curved lightsaber
>>64265991
Sheev's spinning technique allowed him to have the high ground on all sides, making him invincible. That was a good trick.
But when Vader lifted him up Sheev ended up high but without any ground, making him defenceless. That too, was a good trick.
>>64266162
He was destined to balance the force and that he did (he made so that two Jedi and Sith remained)
>>64266167
>Vader>Emperor>Luke
That's retarded. The whole reason Vader wanted Luke in ESB is because Vader couldn't defeat Sidious on his own.
>>64266139
The explosion was his body hitting whatever blue reactor bullshit was at the bottom of that shaft. Considering Vader and Luke can sense force power they were pretty satisfied that Sheev was dead.
>>64266182
Then why couldn't he beat old Obi Wan in ANH?
>>64266203
What is this, fanfiction.com? It stated plain as day that Anakin was meant to destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force. The dark side is unnatural, remember?
Obi Wan > Vader > Sheev > Luke > Yoda
>>64266216
Who says he couldn't? Vader didn't seem to be trying very hard, he didn't even use his Force powers against him.
Vader>Anakin, but if Anakin had never been put on the cyborg body, he'd end up far more strong.
Luke was a fucking anomaly that went up against the two most powerful darkside users ever with only the most basic Jedi training and managed to survive and even turn one of them back to the light.
Wouldn't Obi-Wan have been more helpful to Luke and everyone else if he had stayed alive?
What made him so strong just because he was a force ghost?
The fact that he could appear next to Luke or in his head as a voice anytime and give him tips?
He could have just stood with Leia in the rebel command place and told him to use the force through comms
>>64265222
>Silver2467's Palpatine/Sidious respect thread on Comicvine
What is this nerd shit?
>>64266181
You really think he could have been killed by crippled Vader with only one had and no force use?
You fucking, fucking idiot.
He was scared shitless of Luke reawakening that he let himself be thrown, it's fucking obvious a mastermind wouldn't die like that and it's implied several times in the force awakens that Sheev is still alive somewhere.
lol when filthy casuals think that Vader being a cyborg has anything to do with his force power
>>64266254
In becoming a force ghost he was elevated to a higher plane of existence
He, by all means, attained the highest power level possible. His level of high ground was unmatchable
>>64266227
The Jedi Council assumed Anakin would destroy the Sith according to the old prophetic sayings, based on some bullshit QuiGon fed them just to get Anakin admitted.
People always talk about Toda, Dindu, Sheev, Vader, Luke, Qui Gon, Obi Wan, that guy who was Sheevs master and now Rey and Kylo as the most powerful force users ever, am I the only one who finds it strange they all lived at around the same time?
>>64266284
That bullshit happened so Qui-Gon was right.
>>64266282
Yeah but he is dead so he can't do shit
All he can do at this point is spook Sheev on the toilet
>>64266294
Revan was pretty fucking powerful and his game took place a lot earlier in the timeline if I remember correctly
>>64266294
It's because star wars revolves around the one conflict because that's what makes money
>>64266308
Qui-Gon's lies got the whole Jedi Order exterminated. He was better off keeping his bullshit to himself.
>>64266309
>can't do shit
>literally the primary instigator for the destruction of the Death Star
even in death, he smites the armies of his enemies
>>64266371
But it brought balance to the force, at least until Disney needed money.
>>64266371
No, they didn't. Sheev was behind Order 66, Vader was just a lackey.
>>64266388
Only because of his high plane of existence.
>>64266388
They could have destroyed the Death Star all the same if he hadn't let Vader kill him
>>64266094
Yeah they did. They destroyed Cartago so much that nothing would ever be capable of growing there because one guy kept going to senate and telling them to do it
>>64266419
Okay, there you go. They were evil.
>>64266419
They also rebuilt Carthage and made it bigger than ever before.
>>64266185
>>64266167
>>64266205
Well it says: >>64264421
>Who is the most powerful person in this scene in terms of the force?
And you're actually telling me I'm right, the powerlevels in ESB are: Emperor>Vader(darkside)>Luke
Luke = noob
Vader = Darkside puppet
Emperor = GOAT
Trust me guy, read it again, VADER is only the strongest in his final action when he's away from the darkside, when he is acting with the darkside of the force he's weaker then the Emperor. Before that Vader had the possibility to be the strongest as Anikan(not Darkside), when he went to darkside of the force, Obi-Wan send him to lavatown.
I;m not making this up, this is what happens in the movies.
>>64265996
He wasn't even near his full potential. Gotta remember that the guy started training like 2 years before the duel.
>>64266333
>fanfiction
>>64266479
He had the potential to be the strongest before Obi-Wan crippled him and Vader became more machine than man.
>>64265947
Padme died if a broken heart mate. If he didn't turn to the dark side she would of never died.
>>64266371
>Qui-Gon's lies
He didn't lie, the Jedi Order gets wiped out every a thousand years or so like some kind of weird habbening
Even after all of that the Jedi Order still hasn't learned
>>64265860
Anakin goes rogue and turns to the dark side just like Dooku, except he's the master now.
>Star Wars is now DBZ and characters have midichlorian force power levels
This shit is one of the reasons why the prequels sucked. People like Yoda and the Emperor weren't powerful in the OT because they could pick up rocks and shoot lightning, the Force is much deeper than that.
>The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force.
>>64265743
All of this is wrong though since Luke exists.
Palpatine is by far the strongest, maybe even the strongest in the entire universe
In the movies
In the EU
and in the new comic books (which are canon) where Vader is actually scared of the emperor. Now, Anakin COULD have been the strongest if he didn't fuck up against obi wan
>>64266671
Luke surpasses the Emperor in the EU.
The emperor was so much stronger in the force that he didn't even need a lightsaber. It was a crude weapon according to him.
He transcended above it
>>64266693
No he did not, Luke destroyed a young clone of palpatine. He and another jedi (think it was his daughter) were almost not able to stop his gigantic force storm. That's 2 vs 1 nigga
>>64265743
>the best story arc in star wars
>i hate sand
>i killed them
>obi wan sux
>this is what retards consider a great character arc
>>64264598
>obi wan defeats prime ani
>literally 5 places between them, includinga sith that obi defeated
yoda > prequel obi-wan > ROTJ Luke > Vader > Anakin > Dindu > Sheev > Maul > Qui Gon > Dooku > ANH-ESB Luke > John Boyega.
Anyone actually thinking Vader > Sheev is completely retarded because vader is sheev's bitch. Nothing more than a puppet and vader knew it
>>64266714
>noncanon EU autism
Thank fucking god Disney purged all that shit
>>64266714
First of all, it was it was the spirit of Palpatine in a younger clone body, he had spent 10 years getting stronger. Second, Luke defeated him in a lightsaber duel, then he and Leia destroyed his spirit. Also that version of Luke wasn't even close to his prime. His NJO incarnation was manipulating black holes with the Force and tk nuking dozens of Vong troops (who were normally immune to the Force). Luke is on another level.
>>64266743
remind us who killed Sheev and who Sheev needed to help him vs Dindu senpai?
>>64266069
It was his jetpack trail.
>>64266780
Sheev stomped Maul and Savage casually. He also killed 3 Jedi Masters in 2 seconds. Sheev clearly threw the fight to turn Anakin.
>>64264421
Sheev, Luke, Vader.
>>64266834
>cartoon
Holy shit i laugh so hard when anyone is actually serious about Vader being anything more than Palpatine's bitch
Here, from the CANON comic from this year
>>64266894
>>64266894
Man Sheev is pretty based there.
>>64266894
It was clear since RotJ really.
>I MUST obey my master.
>>64266915
Vader wankers: get rekt
>b-but muh prophecy
>>64266942
Hell, Vader was Tarkin's bitch too.
>>64266139
>being in this much denial
I think Sheev is badass too, anon. You don't need to make it seem like he is invincible.
>>64266141
He could concentrate the electricity in his hand, like Yoda did in the prequels if he had the power to do so.
>>64267019
Luke had barely any training at that point, while Yoda was 800-years-old. Hardly fair. I bet Luke will be able to do some crazy shit in Ep. VIII.
>>64266869
>canon cartoon
>>64267019
He gave up because he knew the Death Star was going to blow up anyway. Fighting would be doing exactly what Sheev wanted, which is why he refused to fight.
The scene demonstrated that Luke's willpower was greater than Sheev's ability to tempt him towards the Dark Side. DBZ force powerlevels are completely irrelevant in the scene.
>>64267077
>Luke starts spinning at Kylo Ren
>>64267004
Not to the extent in Jedi. His villainy was over the moment he walked off the shuttle in that film. Didn't function as one.
>>64267121
it's a good trick
>>64265222
>>Lol. It's stated in many sources (both EU and still canon for the fags that will cry about that)
lol fuckoff
>>64266894
>>64266915
>>64266942
What is this comic called? Looks amazing. I'm always up for more Sheev, especially canon stuff.
Also, people saying Disney are brushing the prequels under the carpet -- it's abundantly clear here that beneath the armour, Vader is still just the whiny bitch that was Anakin Skywalker of the prequels.
>>64266915
>testimony from the Rebels and from Vader corroborate the intervention of the Force in the statistical miracle that was the destruction of the Death Star via a bombing run which defied the laws of science, strongly implying the intervention or the possible return of the Jedi into the war
>OH NO IT MUST BE YOUR FAULT IM PROMOTING THIS ASSHOLE TO DO YOUR JOB INSTEAD
>>64265337
why all this fanboyism for palpatine
>>64265348
>- it's pretty difficult to dismiss a line from RotS
ok
>>- but didn't because his cybernetic replacements made him weaker in the force although boosting his physical strength and stamina.
this wasn't in the movies and makes no sense. Yoda isn't a weak jedi because he is small. SO Vader shouldn't be weak because he is cybernetically enhanched. I would propose that him being further removed from humanity would make him stronger in the dark side.
VBasically I believe vader was stronger than palpatine and palpatine only had an advantage due to mental manipulation and electricity attack frying vader's parts.
>>64265337
>>Darth Bane
>> Bane
Bane? Tell me about him why does he follow the rule of two>>64265432
>His connection to the Force was pretty dulled by all the trauma he'd inflicted on the galaxy and himself.
sorry friend but this is pure conjecture and not supported by fgacts or common sense. There is no reason to believe vader wasn't a stronger dark side user in the OT compared to the end of ROTS
Seriously fuck the people on here who just post their Extended Universe bullshit. Much like modern day economists, they can just make up bullshit rules and laws out of nothing after enough content has been released. There's enough lore out there, and if there isn't these cucks just create them.
THE ONLY FUCKING THING WE ARE DISCUSSING ARE THE FILMS AND LUCAS' VISION.
No more fucking comics. Or referencing the money-grabbing exercise that is the animated series.
>>64264421
How did vader pick sheev up if he was missing a hand? And if it was with the force, why didn't he do it from where he was standing so he didnt get shocked?
>>64267606
>why all this fanboyism for palpatine
>wiped out the Jedi (almost)
>overhauled the Republic
>reformed it into a Galactic Empire with himself as Emperor
>did it all with a smile on his face
If that's not worthy of admiration then I don't know what is. Sheev is clearly the most interesting Star Wars character
>>64267700
>m-mu-muh headcanon safeplace!
The comic posted above and Clone Wars (CGI) are canon under the Disney acquisition.
>deal
>with
>it
>>64265222
>>64266048
>>64266139
>>64266261
This fucking dude's so autistic and butt mad about fictional characters that he is calling strangers on a japanese imageboard "fucking idiots" because they don't agree with him about a fictional character's death or supposed death and the same character's fucking power level.
I can't believe this is reality.
>control+f sheev
>1 of 83 matches
>>64268309
>>control+f micheal "catch-kazoo" karlos
>>0 of 0 matches
This thread represents why I hate and yet love Star Wars in equal measure.
>when you're discussing star wars with your Bros and they bring up EU shit and midichlorians
>when they say prequel fights were better
>>64265222
>>64266048
>>64266139
>>64266261
>the year in which we are currently living
>being an assblasted autistic grand wizard
get some friends fag
>>64264421
Originally it was Sheev, but later with muh midichlorian power levels it was supposed to be Vader.
>>64264509
He literally just picks him up and throws him away
pretty funny, I almost thought he was just going to fly up
>>64267277
It's the new Darth Vader from Marvel.
1-14 is out, and it's on going. Really good too.
>>64268601
But prequel fights WERE better. Atleast some.
Look up the fight with darth maul. That shit was intense, even though it was the worst movie (next to attack). granted, some fights were stupid like count dooku's. But imo, Yoda vs palpatine was great
>>64264741
"Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his power level?"
Look it's all very simple.
Sheev is the most powerful force user in the SW galaxy, together with Yoda. Why?
Because Anakin was SUPPOSED and DESTINED to be the most powerful, but got fucked up and we have Vader instead. A testimonent to what could have been, but is just a shell of the boy who was born of the force. That's why Vader couldn't overthrow Sheev on his own. He knew he just didn't had it in him anymore.
Now where to place Luke is a bit more difficult since he's still young and inexperienced. He was able to defeat Vader already the second time with little training. But he got completely rekt by the uber experienced force user Sheev.
Where to place old Luke? We have yet to see, but i expect great things
So ultimately we get:
Anakin if he didn't fuck up > Sheev = Yoda > Young luke > Vader
Old Luke could be anywhere between young luke and at first place
>>64269529
>Star Wars
>Marvel
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>>64264928
the count is based on a blood sample,which would be consistent regardless of the amount of blood. It's a midichlorian density.
>>64264421
Ham Salad is the strongest.
>>64265476
fear will keep the world in check, fear of these nukes!
Said every superpower ever currently
ggwp
>>64269529
your power ranking sucsks old shriveled up, dark side consumed balls.
Why all this palpatine old cock sucking and this Vader revisionism?
are you the sort of nerd who watches the cartoon also and was all ecstatic because DUDE PALPATINE TOALLY BEAT DARTH MAUL 1 AND 2 IN A LIGHT SABER FIGHT DAMN HE IS SO AWESOME
fuck you...