Be honest, when talking about this show with friends and family do you use he or she pronouns?
>>64205870
She. Jenner is an awful person and should be killed with a shovel but I wasnt raised to be an asshole.
He. He is Bruce Jenner. He was born with a penis. He was born with XY chromosomes. He was born with testicles. Whether he chooses to undergo hormone treatment, grow fake tits or get his cock chopped off, is of no concern to me. That is his prerogative. MY prerogative is to refer to HIM by the pronoun that WE normal, well-adjusted people use.
Fuck your "it's the current year" analogy. I choose to call him a man, because that's exactly what he fucking is. Here endeth the LESSON.
>>64205870
I don't have friends or family
>>64205870
She. I'd suck her dick, btw.
>>64205870
She. I generally avoid having unpopular opinions because that might start a conversation which are challenging for me.
trannies are the worst meme of 2015
i hope it goes away in 2016
>>64206057
/thread
>>64206116
>mentally ill man wishes to mutilate his genitals and fuck with his hormones
>met with overwhelming encouragement and praise
We're on our last leg, aren't we?
>>64206168
Humanity doesn't have much further to sink.
>>64206057
Literally this.
it's a mental disorder and he is gay. there is nothing wrong with being a gay male, be feminine if you want whatever but you're not a fucking woman. if you're uncomfortable with how your life is, maybe see a shrink. try changing your diet or whatever.. no need to chop your dick off and wear women's clothes. if he had stubble everyone would call him a creepy cross-dressing weirdo.
>>64206692
Homosexuality is also a mental disorder, it's just been pushed down your throat since a young age.
The next generation will grow up believing that transexuals don't have mental illness.
>>64205870
Him. He's got a dingus, that makes him male.
>man of the year
>>64205870
>implying I talk about this show
>>64205870
>when talking about this show
HAHA IM DYING LITERALLY OMG
SHE
>>64206057
Fuckin' aye.
It's a goddamn man who's mind has snapped.
>>64206057
>MY prerogative is to refer to HIM by the pronoun that WE normal, well-adjusted people use.
an EDGE LORD?
>>64206822
>The next generation will grow up believing that transexuals don't have mental illness.
That time is now, buddy.
>>64205870
literally who watches this
>>64207169
>not a SHIT LORD?
I have never discussed this show with anyone ever.
All I want to know is, what kind of stress an OLYMPIC ATHLETE has to be put through from living with a family that makes him go mutilate his cock?
>>64205938
>you're an "asshole" if you don't deny reality
>>64205870
Can't fix them chromosomes, man.
He's a DUDE.
Sorry, but science is not on Bruce's side.
>>64207198
OP the faggot
>>64207198
I have it on record and marathon 5 minutes at a time
It's how I instantly spot a mindless cuck.
If you call a man a "she" just because they want to be called one, you're a spineless PC drone that is afraid of reality.
I immediately lose respect for anyone that does it.
>>64207270
The kind of stress from knowing he's about to go to prison for making a woman go crunch with his car
heheh, did anyone read about how Bruce wants go back to being a guy? I saw it on the front page of an article when i was waiting in line at Wal-Mart
>>64206116
Trannies tend to make themselves go away as time goes on.
There are very few elderly trannies.
They either kill themselves, die of something related to drug-abuse or alcoholism, or kill each other in bar-fights.
>>64206079
/thread
>>64207351
Really? link pls
>>64207363
>>64206057
gender is a social construct.
people like you will be reflected on in history like we reflect on white slave owners 150 years ago. And not only that, but it won't be long before we can decide what gender parts we want AND those gender parts will work and operate as if they were born that gender. That means eventually a man will be able to have a vagina, get pregnant and have a baby.
Deal with it. Roll with the times or be left behind
http://reportquickly.com/caitlyn-jenner-is-transitioning-back-to-bruce-jenner/
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT A SPINELESS FAGGOT, HE CAN'T EVEN GO THROUGH WITH IT!
>>64205870
>when talking about this show with friends and family
Does not compute.
But I do call Bailey Jay a she just because she looks the part.
>>64206057
>>64205870
>do you use he or she pronouns?
it
>>64207453
You know why the percentage is so high?
BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ACCEPTED ANYWHERE IN SOCIETY UNTIL NOW. YOU FUCKING DENSE MORON.
The gay suicide rate was just as big several years ago. People were ashamed and terrified to come out as gay. But now you see them everywhere. And that'll be just like with trans people. They're fully accepted now and it's about damn time.
>>64207457
You would have to rewrite every single cell's dna for that. Not possible. Especially when considering that the cells will replicate and revert back to XY chromosomes sooner or later.
>>64206168
It's the last days of Rome
>>64207457
Since most of us agree gender is merely a social construct and has no real objective meaning, wouldn't it also make sense that age is only a social construct?
>>64207453
I love how Science flies in the face of Liberal narratives.
>T-T-Totally not a mental illness, guys! The only reason they kill themselves is because le evil white cis-Christian hegemony is mean to them!
>>64207474
Fuck, it really WAS all an act wasn't it?
Buckle up buckaroo
>>64207528
>his only defense is LITERALLY science-fiction
>>64207474
>>64207419
>>64207351
http://www.shockwire.com/caitlyn-jenner-claims-she-no-longer-feels-like-a-woman-and-asks-everyone-to-call-her-bruce-again
>>64207528
>this defense again
I love how it's always everyone elses' fault but the faggots.
No matter what happens, they can't just be mentally ill.
No, it's all a smoke-screen created by the evil cis-patriarchy.
KEK
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/caitlyn-jenner-adopts-child-becomes-mom/
>>64207474
What an aptly named website
its a terrible show and reminder: when you watch it you are supporting it through ads that go to pay for caits transformations
you have bee rused
>>64207528
I'm surprised your bait got as many replies as it did.
>>64207457
not really, progressives today are like hippies in the 70's
and most people look back at them and laugh
I think what's actually going to happen is that language and terminology is going to be redefined
gender is too subjective, so people will simply stop using it and rely on sex (xy, xx or aberrations like xyy).
Same with race since it technically doesn't exist
people will start using the terms ethnicity and genealogy
She. If someone wants to be called something then that's fine by me, man. Bruce Jenner is Caitlyn Jenner, Calvin Broadus Jr is Snoop Dogg, and Michael Douglas is Michael Keaton.
>>64207685
These people are literally just playing pretend at this point.
>>64207664
>>64207474
Fucking kek.
>>64207528
Oh, so is that why Pedophiles, White Supremacists and Hari Chrishnas have even higher suicide-rates?
Oh wait, they don't.
>>64207453
>people who are rejected by society are depressed and resort to suicide
Surprise, fucking surprise, Freud.
Next you're going to explain why ex-felons are generally distrusted and unhireable.
>>64205870
>>64207777
checked
and
>>64207474
Kekked
>>64207685
I think trannies are a line most liberals won't even cross
In a few years I think most people will realize they were overreacting by supporting this shit
>>64207457
>gender is a social construct.
Reddit: The Post
>>64207843
There are tons of other groups that are "rejected by society" that don't kill themselves in those numbers.
Stop blaming everyone else for your group's mentally-ill behavior. It's classic deflection.
>>64207753
nicolas cage was born nicolas kim coppola
charlies sheen was born as carlos estevezbella thorne was born a male
>>64207351
how have you gone so long in life without realizing that all the headlines are fake on those things? Are you an actual retard?
>>64207474
E! has announced that they will air a documentary series titled Getting Back To Bruce, which will air this winter. The series will follow Jenner as she transitions back into manhood and also rekindling romance with an unnamed ex wife. E! offered Jenner a $2 million deal to record the eight part documentary.
It really was just for money.
>>64207843
I take joy knowing that the freaks that type this stuff legitimately are a coin toss of whether they will kill themselves or not.
>>64207879
definitely
very few people actually accept trannies, they're just extremely loud about their opinions so it seems like a majority accept them
everybody I've met thinks they're a nuisance though, and I live on a california college campus
>>64207899
>your groups
Way to project, m8.
Anyway, there are certain groups who don't do a lot of things that similar groups do.
We can focus on each group you want to toss out individually and debate the reasons (e.g. pedophiles who ARE outted generally do commit suicide http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3629679/ vs White Supremacists have a support network of people they respect accepting them while the only people who reject them are those they approve of, self-fulfilling cycle). But those are strawman arguments ignoring the fact that many of the suicides suffered by transgender people are proven (i.e. suicide notes, witness testimony, etc.) to be caused by either stigmatized by society or being uncomfortable in their own body.
How about YOU stop deflecting and debate the actual topic?
check out all this quality /tv/ and film discussion
BRAVO
>>64208106
>or being uncomfortable in their own body.
AKA the mental illness that tells them their own natural bodies are "wrong".
>>64207457
Gender is not a social construct.
The rolls that men tended to do more then woman and the rolls that woman tended to do more, Husbands are the breadwinner and wifes are housekeepers. Thats a social construct.
>>64205870
I don't know really. Somewhere along the line it just got easier to say she/her when referring to Caitlyn.
But if it's before the whole change, I still say Bruce and he/him. Basically it's easier to just pretend they're two different people. That way you don't piss anyone off and have to listen to them bitch and moan.
>>64208199
and even that you could argue against
most human civilizations have developed with men doing work and women caring for the house and children, it's practically inborn
I mean we don't say that drones serving a queen bee is a social construct do we?
>>64208172
If the "mental illness" can be treated by adapting their body to their mental state then your problem would be...?
>>64207169
>Being normal is edgy
>Not the genital mutilating crossdresser is the new normal
What a time to be alive.
>>64208264
have you seen post op trannies? mutilation is not adaptation
>>64208264
>adapting their body = chopping off health body parts
The problem is in the mind. Mutilating your body to fit it is the real crime.
>>64207528
Welcome reddit
>>64205870
HER NAME IS BRUCE
>>64205870
>Trying to get into a traps pants
>She keeps going on about how great Caitlyn Jenner is
>Can't fucking deal with someone who supports a manslaughtering rich fuck who doesn't do anything but be famous.
>but I want that boipucci
>>64205870
>when talking about this show
>>64206057
If Gender is a social construct, then as a member of society, don't I get to choose to call him a man
>>64207324
Hopefully you're consistent and cough loudly around smokers, yell at fat people, they are literally killing themselves and are denying reality.
he. my dad would smack my fucking face if i called a guy 'she'. i know because he told me so
My inlaw family are huge SJWs(singel mom and 3 daughters). They love this shit and that other show with the 13 tranny...
I call him Bruce or He, just to piss them off. My gf can laugh about it, because she is pretty redpilled by now.
>>64208737
My dad told me on my 13th birthday, that if he ever caught me doing drugs, he'd only shoot the kneecaps of my dealer with his Remington shotgun the first time... the second time he caught me, he'd kill my dealer
>>64208264
My friend's dad is a psychiatrist, this is pretty much what he says about trannies
>the real source of their unhappiness is knowing that they will never be truly able to change their bodies to what they want them to be. They will always have the physical proportions and characteristics of the wrong gender and they will never be happy with their bodies.
>They don't want surgery they want authentic, functioning reproductive organs
They see their penis as a physical deformity, and their manly jaws almost like a disfigurement
You know deep down it has nothing to do with society
>>64207457
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha well be fucking dead when your >xirstory comes true, faget. It won't fucking matter.
I loath trannies as people but I bust a lot of nuts to shemale porn. I would totally suck girl cock if I had the chance
>>64205870
>all those photoshopped to hell pictures release when xe came out
>everyone said xe looked really good and hot
>mfw when I see an actual picture of xer
>>64206057
>grow fake tits
kek
>>64205870
Both. Sometimes I say Bruce cause I forget or he and sometimes I say she or Caitlyn. My parents use she pronouns but they're not politically correct hacks so they don't give a fuck. They know I can't stand her but they don't really care less.
>>64210336
They ain't all bad people. I met a really nice one once who totally passed as a girl and we hadsex too.
>>64210756
did you suck her cock? how was it?
>>64210812
ye and it wasn't bad tbqh familia.
>>64210640
Fuckable trannines are acceptable. Gross trannies like Bruce Jenner are not.
Also, Bruce Jenner murdered someone.
>most people on 4chan fantasize about being the little girl
>they get jealous and mad when someone has the balls to live out their fantasies
>>64210640
It's scary out there.
>>64211022
why?
>>64211038
Some of us don't actually want to fuck a dude, no matter how dolled up he gets.
>>64211124
if it's passable enough to fool you then it deserves to be fucked
>>64211175
>deserves
That's entitled.
>>64211303
how dare a cis pig question the rights of a trans women.
it's also disrespectful if you refuse to toss her salad. girls can have penises because genitals do not define your gender
People actually sit and talk about this show?
>>64205870
It.
>>64208264
suicide rates among transgender transition patients is identical to those suffering from it and not undergoing transition.
it doesn't do anything to treat the condition. it's as effective as telling them to take aspirin for it.
>>64206057
IMO, if a tranny is super fucking passable, I'll go for "she" why the fuck not.
but Jenner? Jesus Christ, he's literally just a man in drag.
It is WAY too late for him to EVER transition successfully, no matter how many surgeries or hormone treatments he has.
does /tv/ ever fap to shemales? I've been looking at it sometimes but ive busted watching it, though I'm tempted to.
I usually just say whatever the other people in the conversation are saying, so the conversation will end as quickly as possible.
I will say "he" if they call him "bruce" and "she" if they call her "caitlyn".
Actually, I usually avoid saying he/she altogether and just use the name, so I don't have to make a decision. Because I don't want to talk about it. I don't even want to type up this reply. Fuck you for making me do it.
>>64211710
>ive *never* busted
fixed
>>64207076
>We gave her most of our lives
IS LEAVING
>Sacrificed most of our lives
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOME
>We gave her everything money can buy
>>64207685
That is one ugly motherfucker. God damn, how can he even claim to be a woman?
>>64207457
Social construct is a social construct.
>>64207528
The percentage is so high because the urge to chop your cock of is a symptom of extreme mental illness, as is suicide.
there are 2 kinds of people that identify as trannies:
> effeminate gays that are considered undesirable by the gay community and want to seduce straight guys instead
> older "straight" males that jack off to shemale porn and get off on crossdressing
Bruce is the latter
>>64210968
That was always a shit meme that died everywhere but /a/, where immigrants from MAL, Tumblr and r/anime keep it on life support to score epic oldfag points.
>>64207587
This desu
>>64207457
Gender is determined by chromosome makeup.
That gender is what you want it to be is a social construct.
>>64211749
>I usually avoid saying he/she altogether and just use the name, so I don't have to make a decision
>tfw I always feel incredibly self conscious when i do this, and start wondering if people realize im deliberately dodging the pronouns
gender as a social construct is a social construct
I call him a faggot, sorry im slav not western-cuck
>>64205870
I don't talk about this show with family and friends and vice versa
Because we're not flaming fucking homos that even watch it to begin with
>>64213504
Remind me again why I'm supposed to give a shit about the opinion of some third world mongol?
>kill someone
>undergo surgery
>be called a hero by womenheroine surely?
>>64205870
Nobody I know discusses that show because Jenner was nothing but a quick news-grab story that made Facebook/Twitter feel fuzzy inside for a few months.
So brave and all that. The entire story is now at the National Enquirer level it belonged at to begin with. I love how fickle media truly it.
It speaks volumes of how people truly feel about these mental cases.
>>64211495
Nobody I know but I live in the South so he's seen as the nutjob he really is.
>>64211589
this
do they really think I'm intentionally reminding myself to call him a guy?
He looks like a guy with a wig, I call him a guy without even thinking about it
If there was some tranny who put enough effort into it that I couldn't even tell I'd call them a give
>>64215097
I see trannies at my school that don't even fucking shave
>>64205870
None of that familys shows are shown on tv in my country luckily, people have just heard about kim trough the internet, nobody knows who the fuck Bruce is
>>64207169
Don't you mean
A SHIT LORD?
>>64207076
HAS A FUNNY FACE
>>64205870
Her. She's a shitty person and a huge piece of shit but calling her a him because "HE'S A BOY!" is pretty retarded.
BTW I Am Cait is so fucking dumb, who funded it? It's like the Kardashian's met with some teen soap opera from the 00s
>>64207457
Gender is the expression of your sex, and your sex is biological.
>>64211710
Starts with futas and then it's just a slippery slope, friend.
>>64205870
I was watching this with my mega saw liberal sister, while talking about it she, unknowingly to herself, refers to Cait as "him", I tell her to stop being heteronormative, to stop being transphobic and finally, to check her straight dos white privilege. I honestly think she rethought her views that day.
>>64211547
The only right answer.
>>64207457
>but it won't be long before we can decide what gender parts we want AND those gender parts will work and operate as if they were born that gender. That means eventually a man will be able to have a vagina, get pregnant and have a baby.
Wishing hard there.
But we don't have that, and now all there is to choose from is cross dressing or mutilation with side order of hormone dependency.
And anon, it's really therapy that helps with that the most. Weird.
>>64211589
For me it's more of the name.
It just feels like I'm butchering the English language when I say Caitlyn and then roll into a male pronoun.
I really couldn't give a shit either way (doesn't affect my life what someone does to themselves) but the word incongruity triggers my autism.
>>64216050
>tfw narrowly avoided slipping down the slope and now I have a gfI still think futa is hot
>>64207457
>gender is a social construct
Kek
>get with the times or be left behind
Literally the dumbest meme liberals have ever made. For how much they claim to love free speech, they sure do love trying to silence their opponents' opinions by shouting "YOU'RE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY!!!". Trying to say someone's opinion is useless simply because 5 years from now YOUR opinion COULD be right is nothing short of radicalist.
>>64205870
She has a penis tho
>>64217641
Not that I agree with them but progressives have been right almost 90% of the time.
There was some shit like prohibition and what not but everything else proved correct (labor laws, abolition, women's rights, children's rights, universal healthcare, environmental protection, etc.).
That's not even subjective, bro.
>>64218131
>because the left has been right in the past, that means they will always be right and should never be opposed
Trying to force other people to reject their own logic/opinions "because they're on the wrong side of history" is one of the most dangerous ideas in modern-day politics. It's literally peer pressure.
>>64218330
Like I said, I don't agree with them and they may not be right.
But both probability and the idea that people essentially should be free to do with their own bodies whatever they wish will likely prove them right in the long run.
But who knows for sure, eh?
>>64218518
I see what you're saying, but you have to realize what people are really saying when they say "you're on the wrong side of history."
If everyone listened to the left saying "get with the times or be on the wrong side of history", EVERYONE would be a leftist. There'd be no political opposition, nothing. Then there wouldn't even be any "sides of history".
I'm not saying that the left is or isn't right. I'm just saying that them trying to discard the opposition's opinions with this meme is politically and ideologically dangerous. People shouldn't give up their political views from fear of being "left behind."
>>64205870
I honestly thought she was that one lady in The Leftovers
>>64218131
You're referring to "progressives" as some monolithic group of "people who want change".
Those changes you admire so much were not carried out by a single group in different time periods. Those causes were championed by disparate groups who supported them for varied reasons. Abolitionists, for example, drew upon Christianity for a lot of their justifications on why abolition was necessary. Many strong early advocates of labor laws were also white supremacists who sought to price "colored labor" out of the market because they were willing to work for lower wages and people saw that as forcing down the "real worth" of the white man's labor. Many of the early advocates of women’s suffrage would be horrified to learn about the behavior of modern feminists. Many muckraker journalists who combated corporate wrongdoing in the late 1800s would be probably be equally disgusted by the results of socialized healthcare programs found in most of the western world.
You might have been told by some progressive teacher or other adult that these are all "progressive" ideals but that person, like many modern day progressives, is doing everything short of lying through his teeth. Those causes you admire so much were not the work of a group called "progressives", they were the work of a myriad of people with different motivations who later came to be collectively called "progressives." If you support modern day progressives because of the actions of people throughout history called “progressives” then you are being duped, because there simply was no single such group.
>kid says they are/want to be the opposite sex
>take them to a doctor
>allow them to freely express themselves as long as it's age appropriate
>after months of therapy doctor says they might be trans
>allow them to take puberty blockers in order to buy them time to understand their feelings
>kid eventually decides they want to transition and they start hormones
>kid has a relative normal and healthy adolescence with support of their parents
>kid grows into an adult and successfully integrates into society as a woman/man
>somehow this is child abuse
>somehow the effects of the medications are dangerous and irreversible (even though they're not)when puberty is literally permanent while also being damaging to a trans kid's psyche
The following is what usually happens.
>kid wants to be a boy/girl
>ignore their feelings and try to make him/her repress them
>label them as mentally ill while doing nothing at all to help them cope with their illness
>emotionally and physically abuse them for being different
>fill their head with religious and ideological drivel that makes them hate themselves
>take them to priests and money grubbing quacks that attempt to "cure" them
>eventually kick them out and disown them for being trans and wanting to make their life better
>kid winds up with a laundry list of psychological issues and winds up commiting suicide before 30
>obviously the dead tranny was mentally ill and the parents did nothing wrong here
>kid becomes part of a statistic that transphobes use to say transition is wrong and ineffective as a treatment for gender dysphoria
Explain this shit transphobes. Fact: transgender people that aren't treated before puberty have a 45% chance of attempted suicide.
>>64219799
Maybe its a good thing they are killing themselves?
>>64219799
Your argument is under the assumption that transgender desires ISN'T a mental disorder. Whether it is or isn't, I don't know, but that's part of the debate at the moment. The other part is whether it's morally sound - and before you go off about morality in law, there are plenty moral laws in place that you don't even think about.
There's also a myriad of questions that follow transgenderism: even what bathroom they should use is hotly debated and makes tons of people uncomfortable.
Not necessarily arguing with you, just saying that you need to take into account all the other factors.
Respondents who experienced rejection by family and
friends, discrimination, victimization, or violence had
elevated prevalence of suicide attempts, such as those
who experienced the following:
—
Family chose not to speak/spend time with them: 57%
—
Discrimination, victimization, or violence at school,
at work, and when accessing health care
•
Harassed or bullied at school (any level): 50-54%
•
Experienced discrimination or harassment at
work: 50-59%
•
Doctor or health care provider refused to treat
them: 60%
•
Suffered physical or sexual violence:
—
At work: 64-65%
—
At school (any level): 63-78%
—
Discrimination, victimization, or violence by law
enforcement
•
Disrespected or harassed by law enforcement
officers: 57-61%
•
Suffered physical or sexual violence: By law
enforcement officers: 60-70%
—
Experienced homelessness: 69%
>http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf
Evidence that societal stigma and anti transgender bias increases the risk of suicide.
>>64219995
>Evidence that societal stigma and anti transgender bias increases the risk of suicide.
No shit Sherlock, that doesn't reveal anything. Of course somebody who gets told they're a freak is going to be more likely to off themselves, but why is that even on the menu in the first place? If someone calls the average person a freak or tells them they are ugly, they are not disposed to immediately go home and kill themselves. The issue isn't whether they off themselves after being made fun of, the issue is why that's even in the debate in the first place. The average citizen, even members of marginalized groups, is not inclined towards suicide in the overwhelming way that trans people are.
>>64219934
Even if transgenderism is a mental disorder, the best treatment available for it is gender transition. That isn't an opinion, that is a fact. There's evidence all over showing that it helps. That's what the medical community finds to be the best available option. If you believe it's a mental disorder but it shouldn't be treated with what we have for it, then you're either emotionally biased because the existence of trannies triggers your ideological autism or you're simply anti-medicine.
You can bicker and say it's unethical, archaic or illogical but you can't deny them treatment. The majority of parents and even some doctors have been doing that for decades and, going by the current suicide statistics, it worsens a trans person's mental health.
>>64219995
This is why many transwomen and men go stealth. It's pretty unfortunate, but that's how it is.
>>64219799
Gotta love how you know it's from Tumblr just by the noses.
I call him a He, so does my Mom and Dad, they both agree He's a fucking degenerate and a murderer.
>>64210640
Big ass hands, makeup and angles. That boy is going to man up real hard and it will be a terrible event.
>>64220349
Actually it does. My point is that transphobia is very real and society has purposefully made the lives of an unfortunate group of people born with a medical disorder undoubtedly worse. It's amazing how you're refusing to see how these factors complicate things and lead to bias in assessing trans people's overall mental health and how effective transition is as a treatment for gender dysphoria.
>If someone calls the average person a freak or tells them they are ugly, they are not disposed to immediately go home and kill themselves.
Getting called a freak or made fun of is the same as getting kicked out of your home, assaulted and rejected by your own family? Nice way of downplaying the severity of the factors listed. Also the average person doesn't have a medical disorder that everyone hates them for, they don't have entire groups of people that legitimately believe they are a malevolent threat to society. You could make some strawman about jews or blacks but they weren't as spread thin and isolated as trans people are. Trannies are like, 0.3 percent of the American population. A marginalized group that small with a medical problem that affects their mental health is going to be extremely vulnerable to minority stress.
>>64220930
Society will come to accept it in the next decade and beyond, just like gay rights. It will happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12LYzMMQ_8U
>>64208264
you can't actually do this
it's pretty silly
it's just getting mad at something you can't control
this is a sign of mental illness or ridiculous stubborness.
Why is it ok in the case of trannies, but not in the case of normal people, where, 'nobody but you is in charge of your own happiness' ?
>>64205870
Him/it with mates, she with people i don't want to annoy/have to put up with.
>>64220447
The debate of whether or not to help the individual as much as one can vs. upholding societal standards has gone on for centuries.
That's the issue at hand here. It's the same issue with the Syrian migrants, it's the same issue with the judicial system (ie death penalty, jail sentences), etc.
>>64221240
Yes because humans are for the most part, a retarded species.
>>64205870
this shit doesn't really fly in convict land. if you went around referring to guys as "she" you'd be laughed out of the bloody pub and a cheeky cunt would steal ya drink.
>>64220930
>Getting called a freak or made fun of is the same as getting kicked out of your home, assaulted and rejected by your own family? Nice way of downplaying the severity of the factors listed.
Bull fucking shit. You might be able to find individual examples of that happening but that's not the average persons response to having a trans family member. The responses usually are strong and negative, but that's because it's a strong and negative behavior, and no one is under any obligation to support people fucking up their own lives in such an egregious way.
>Also the average person doesn't have a medical disorder that everyone hates them for
Oh really? Who is "everyone"? You certainly don't seem to be all that opposed to it. "Caitlin" Jenner has a whole show about how brave he is. There is this huge support groups for trans people for people to go jack themselves off over how understanding and compassionate they are.
>A marginalized group that small with a medical problem that affects their mental health is going to be extremely vulnerable to minority stress.
Small population size has virtually nothing to do with how stressed one is. Either the factors that make life difficult for someone is present or it isn't. You're not going to feel a lot better about your situation if there are 30 million more trans people.
>>64221275
Sometimes ideas are worth upholding over the prosperity of an individual.
>>64221565
You just proved my point.
>>64216604
Hello 4chan
>>64206057
kill yourself senpai
>>64205870
>people like this get attention by millions of people
I loathe america tv watchers so fucking much.
>>64221807
Maybe if I was trans I'd have an excuse.
>>64205870
I don't talk about this kind of shit because I'm not human waste.
>>64221390
>Bull fucking shit. You might be able to find individual examples of that happening but that's not the average persons response to having a trans family member. The responses usually are strong and negative, but that's because it's a strong and negative behavior, and no one is under any obligation to support people fucking up their own lives in such an egregious way.
Top kek. You're basically proving my point m8. 'Strong and negative' is pretty vague and can easily include rejection, physical and emotional abuse, and possibly eviction. And even if those things aren't the average response, you can't deny how prevalent it is. The current stats put homelessness from familial rejection and discrimination at around 19%. That's twice than the general population. You probably don't give a shit, but numbers like that are more than satisfactory when we're talking about suicide statistics and morons like you have an axe to grind.
>http://www.nhchc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/in-focus_transgender_sep2014_final.pdf
>Oh really? Who is "everyone"? You certainly don't seem to be all that opposed to it. "Caitlin" Jenner has a whole show about how brave he is.
When I mean, 'everyone' I mean the majority of the general population. Don't be obtuse and try to derail. One TV show about an old rich tranny doesn't do shit for trans people. People in this very thread have said how it isn't representative of the popular consensus and that the majority of people don't accept or tolerate trannies.
>Small population size has virtually nothing to do with how stressed one is.
Umm, yeah it does. Don't you ever watch those sappy documentaries where gay or trans people moap about how isolated and wrong they felt before finding others like them? It's obvious that it plays a role.
>Either the factors that make life difficult for someone is present or it isn't.
And I've shown that they are very much present. Pro-tip: your attitude is part of the problem.
>>64206057
i fucking love seeing posts like this and watching the faggots that get offended
>>64207457
How can people be born as the wrong gender if it's a social construct?
>>64207076
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!
>>64223305
>Pro-tip: your attitude is part of the problem.
Problem? What problem? I don't see any problem. If somebody's ugly I'll call them ugly, regardless of why. And if some people are more inclined to commit suicide over it, well I guess that's a real shame! :^)
>>64208668
None of these people demand that I deny the truth, or better yet refer to them with retarded made-up pronouns, when I talk to them or about them.
Try again, Tranny-Defense-Force.
>>64208264
>Somebody has a mental illness that makes them believe they're a snake.
>Chop off their arms and legs to make them more comfortable with themselves.
>Problem solved!
>>64208106
>But those are strawman arguments ignoring the fact that many of the suicides suffered by transgender people are proven (i.e. suicide notes, witness testimony, etc.) to be caused by either stigmatized by society or being uncomfortable in their own body.
Wow, you take mentally-ill self-mutilator's suicide-note as a Gospel truth?
You really are a doop, aren't you?
>>64205870
My dad just calls him a faggot and we all laugh
>I call Jenner "he" because my head is too far up my own ass that being a decent human being is difficult
Same story goes with those who use "gay" to describe somethign as negative
>>64218131
>progressives have been right almost 90% of the time.
How did that whole "Ban 'Bossy'!" thing go again?
It's easy to be "right" all the time when you just forget all the times you got your shit pushed in.
>>64223805
Shut up, faggot.
>>64219799
>allow them to take puberty blockers in order to buy them time to understand their feelings
So basically
>mutilate their body with unnatural chemicals, because muh dogma
>>64219799
>kid has a relative normal and healthy adolescence with support of their parents
Fucking kek.
No, a big hairy dude sucking-down Estrogen and slowly mutilating himself isn't "normal and healthy adolescence".
Why would I ever talk about that show with anyone? I doubt anyone I know would have a problem with me calling him a man if it ever came up. Pretty much only white people are dumb enough to think trannies are actually women and refer to them with female pronouns
>>64223849
That word too
People are just shitty to each other and would rather not personally change themselves to be more accommodating because thats too difficult to be a decent person
>>64206057
What a gigantic faglord.
>I have a right to define, identify, and categorize another human being.
Nah, you don't.
>>64223376
masculinity and femininity aren't gender exclusive traits.
>>64219995
>Discrimination, victimization, or violence at school, at work, and when accessing health care
i.e.:
>"My boss wouldn't let me come to work at the daycare wearing my thong and high-heels since I'm a man! I'm being discriminated against!"
>>64220447
>That isn't an opinion, that is a fact.
Wrong.
>>64220930
>Choose to mutilate yourself into a hideous circus-freak based on delusions.
>Expect everyone to just never have a negative opinion on it.
>>64205870
No, I don't talk about that shit with my friends and my family is far right
>>64221023
Kek, people are ALREADY pushing back against this vocal minority.
Pendulum is swinging back and its swinging back hard. Enjoy your crushed hopes.
He.
The fuck do you expect if you look like a crossdresser.
If you're going to try and be a woman, at least try and look like one. Facial surgery should be done first.
>>64223875
>adolescent
>that never went through their natural puberty
>a big hairy dude
Well it sounds like you're still going through adolescence because you clearly lack reading comprehension.
>>64223983
and stupid white power supporters were thinking the same thing during jim crow era
Get fucked with your shit world views based on being a fuck to others
>>64223983
Kek, ok mother's basement.
All of this reminds me of that Seinfeld bit where Jerry asks Elaine to call him Jerry the Great. Just because someone wants to be called something doesn't mean they deserve to.
>>64223805
>Deny reality, or you are an asshole!
There are also people that believe the Earth is flat.
I guess you're an asshole for not saying the Earth is flat, because doing that offends people that believe the Earth is flat.
Stop crying over reality, faggot.
>>64223888
>Change your speech and behavior to accommodate my delusions! Conform or be castigated, shit-lords!
You are LITERALLY trying to control other people with peer-pressure.
>>64224020
>WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY!!!!! IT'S 2015!!!!
Every fucking time.
You retard progressives need to get a better argument. Is this literally all you have?
>>64224058
Lol your shit isn't going to fly. They're saying accept people who are different which you don't.
>>64224085
Acceptance is inevitable.
>>64224058
>Continue being an asshole to me because you are unwilling to change your views
I'm not the shitty human being anon
Your logic is all sorts of fucked up and doesn't actually justify your language use
>>64224085
Your opinions will be destroyed over time anon, not my fault you are unwilling to see why you are wrong being a gigantic asswipe to others
>>64224020
>and stupid white power supporters were thinking the same thing during jim crow era
History is full of dumbass progressives that thought their retarded world-views would be mainstream in the future.
Idiots like you thought in the 70's that by the 90's porn-stars would be revered as artists and Cocaine would be decriminalized. Look how that turned out.
>Get fucked with your shit world views based on being a fuck to others
The fuck does this even mean? You retards can't even fucking type at this point?
>>64224027
The people who get triggered over Bruce Jenner getting called "he" typically live in their mom's basement.
Nice try at a non-argument though.
>>64224096
>They're saying accept people who are different
They're saying that children being mutilated with unnatural hormones to live a delusion that will never be real is to be accepted.
I'm not going to accept it, and if you look at an opinion-poll sometime, neither is the majority of America.
I'm sorry that that fact triggers you, Leftist, but it's not going to change.
>>64224134
History is also full of dumbasses who thought there non acceptance would continue to be mainstream in the future
Look how far that got :)
>>64224161
They do though.
>>64206057
this
>>64224123
>Your logic is all sorts of fucked up and doesn't actually justify your language use
You don't justify any reason for me to change it.
"It hurts muh feelings" isn't a valid reason, and it never will be.
Why would I talk about this show with anyone?
>>64224191
>I'm not going to accept it, and if you look at an opinion-poll sometime, neither is the majority of America.
>fact
LMAO
They said that about gays and gay marriage 10-20 years ago.
>>64224123
>Your opinions will be destroyed over time anon, not my fault you are unwilling to see why you are wrong being a gigantic asswipe to others
Still no argument?
OK. Just wanted to establish you're a typical Leftist.
Stay triggered.
>>64224246
It is inevitable.
>>64205870
He.
The only person who gets uppity about it is my youngest brother.
>>64224226
Gay marriage is still pretty unpopular.
You realize it wasn't legalized by popular-vote, right? The Supreme Court literally had to FORCE it on every state.
Or did you not know this? Like most Leftsists?
>>64224203
>Look how far that got :)
Yeah, pedophiles and trannies are STILL castigated and looked down on despite being around for hundreds of years. Some shit doesn't change.
Sorry that makes you mad. :^)
>>64224215
Because nothing hurts you to call Jenner a she
Nothing besides admitting that maybe how you view words and speech and gender might be wrong, but its easier for you to feel threatened by something that has no effect on you. Its just a common symptom of being close minded and unwilling to be open to change in personal beliefs, and overcoming that isn't a fun process to go through.
It's like some personal vendetta to tear people down for literally no reason.
Hence why you are the asshole
>>64223900
Actually he does
Just I I have the right to call you a cocksucker regardless of how bad you are at it
>>64224270
>Gay marriage is still pretty unpopular.
>The Supreme Court literally had to FORCE it on every state.
>even though 37 sates had legalized it before the decision
lmao conservatards
>>64224291
>Because nothing hurts you to call Jenner a she
It offends me that a man is being referred to as a woman.
Why should I alter my logical behavior to appease you? I literally do not care that you get triggered when Bruce Jenner is referred to as a man.
>>64223855
>doctors choose to prescribe blocker because they're fully reversible or at the very least, much less permanent than HRT or natural puberty
>m-muh mutilation
>muh dogma
Nice meme. Come back with a more grounded and less emotional argument.
>>64224291
>Nothing besides admitting that maybe how you view words and speech and gender might be wrong
Why are you unwilling to admit the same for yourself?
Maybe you're the asshole here, if that's your logic.
>>64224226
Tranny shit is in another league. Just like how pedophilia is something leftists are trying to push but will never become accepted. Especially when they're trying to force the idea of little kids becoming trannies.
>>64224354
No, it's just you. Reading between both your posts I can already tell he's the smarter one.
>>64224298
>even though 37 sates had legalized it before the decision
So you're denying that the 13 other states didn't exist? Those states contain a lot of people.
Also, just because 51% of a population votes for something, that doesn't mean the other 49% changes their opinions.
lmao libturds
>>64224325
Because you are the one with purposefully hurtful views. There is a difference anon :)
>>64224354
I"m the one who doesn't give a fuck if jenner wants to be called a she. I'm not the one who gets all in a tizzy by calling her a she.
>>64224384
>I'm right and you are wrong.
Wow, what an argument. I can't possibly argue with sound logic like that.
>>64224359
>leftists
>are supposedly now pushing pedophilia
lmao
>>64224291
>Because nothing hurts you to call Jenner a she
Nothing hurts you to refer to the Earth as being 6,000 years old.
Better start doing it, lest you offend the Young Earth Creationists.
>>64224385
You argument was that it was unpopular even though the majority of states supported and legalized gay marriage. You got rekt conservatard. Get euthanized.
>>64224328
>much less permanent than HRT or natural puberty
They're much less natural than puberty too.
You're still mutilating children by injecting them with chemicals. That makes you an abusive and clinically insane fuck-stake on par with a religious-cultist.
>>64219799
You actual advocate that children should have the right to perminantly mutilate themselves at the age of 12?
This is what liberals actually believe?
>>64224439
>The Earth is 6000 years old
>Conservatards actually believe this
>>64224439
Thats not even a proper comparison
Whatever makes you feel morally superior though, keep it up anon , keep grandstanding against all the people like Jenner who just want to be accepted :)
>>64224480
Pretty sure Jenner wants to stay rich and out of jail
>>64223933
>nuh uh
Wow you sure showed me. Great argument you got there. 10/10
>there are ACTUALLY Liberals in this thread RIGHT NOW getting triggered and upset that Bruce Jenner still gets called a "he" and trannies are actually having their choices rightfully criticized
Boy did you fuckers ever come to the wrong fucking website.
This isn't a "safe-space". Calling someone a "shitlord" for referring to Bruce Jenner as a man (i.e. stating a fact, lel) isn't going to change their mind. "Muh feelings" isn't a valid argument here.
>>64224508
Its a 100% safespace for your shit views
You can hide behind being anonymous while being an asshole you retard
>>64224462
>it's unnatural therefore it's bad
top kek
>>64224416
They are.
Does anybody have the Salon article?
Also, the LGBBQ-whatever Movement actually aligned themselves with self-identified pedophiles in the 1970's, believing that pedophilia was a valid and persecuted "sexual orientation".
This ONLY stopped in the mid-70's when they realized it was political suicide to continue doing so.
>>64224537
How long until you realize that throwing tantrums doesn't actually work on an anonymous image board where nothing carries weight?
>>64224403
>Because you are the one with purposefully hurtful views.
I'm sorry that you find reality to be "purposefully hurtful".
You're going to go through life being offended by a lot of things if you do that.
>>64224455
Most of that happened through the courts, not through a popular vote. Only a couple of them legalized it through a vote, and far more states rejected it when that sort of thing came up, even California.
>>64224537
Looooooooool
