Best delivered line from the films
>>64192739
Why did she talk with an accent when she was dressed up like that though?
>>64192786
typical british garb
>>64192786
Fuck, did anything in those fucking movies make sense?
>>64192786
Naboo trying to look more important than they are
Take a big step back
>>64192862
C-sections have not yet been discovered in the Star Wars universe.
>>64192739
who the fuck is valorum? 16 years later and I still don't know
>>64192739
She was being formal, as befitting someone of her position. I wonder how she would feel to know her granddaughter is a man-faced chav.
>>64192999
the previous chancellor
You see him in Ep I
![1353290550996[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/r5c20ec.jpg "1353290550996[1].jpg")
>>64192739
She isn't a member of the Senate. How does she have the authority for such a motion? That's like the governor of a Alabama going to Congress and trying to enact laws.
>>64193049
the person who blew up on the landing pad?
>>64192786
>>64192862
>Why did Leia talk to Tarkin in a British accent
>>64193092
the other old white guy before sheev
>>64193092
No, this guy
>"At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi, at last we will have our stonehenge" - Dennis
What did he mean by this?
>>64192999
Zod
>>64193103
This. It was a callback. Poetry, if you will.
>>64193086
All the planets' ejected leaders automatically become senators. It is exactly like your analogy, but thats just how the Republic rolls.
>>64193092
in the eu he does
even after he was ousted he knew palps was up to no good and tried to stop him
>>64193121
Is that Michael McDowel?
>>64192739
How the fuck does a 16-year-old get elected queen? I can understand if she inherited the position (which is stupid, and a sign of a broken government, but it does happen), but who the fuck would vote for her?
>>64193210
It worked in VVV.
i love the politics in the prequels. what does tfa have? apart from explosions and nice effects. nothing
i love the prequels
>>64193198
Terence Stamp
>>64193086
Wasn't she goaded by Sheev though? It probably implied that she would make Sheev put up the motion for no confidence.
>>64193210
It's a fantasy film for christ sakes.
>>64193210
Naboo is a rural backwater, they probably had some weird sex ritual behind electing young virgins to the royalty
>>64193157
But Palps was Senator before that. So Padme took his job?
>>64193121
compare this image to any image of sheev
mcdiarmid knew how to have fun
unfortunately Stamp got stuck with the stuffiest, underwritten character in the worst SW fim
>>64193127
Just as the English have their own stonehenge that points to their ancestry and strong mythical past, so too did the Sith. Presumably the Jedi took possession of the site, effectively outlawing the Sith's own cultural heritage and breaking them as a people.
Hence, Dark Maul was on a mission to win back the Sith's stonehenge and punish the Jedi for its theft.
>Oi myoov fra veaut of neau coonfdance een Choncleh Vlooooorim's laydahshap, eauld shop.
>>64193239
Yeah, no politics or world building is the biggest let down of TFA. They just copied ANH to play it safe which likewise was all action and explosions.
>>64193313
What do you mean? Valorum had the best lines in the prequels
"Will you defer your motion to allow a commission to explore the validity of your accusations?"
- Chancellor Valorum
>>64193418
kek thanks for reminding me why I still come to this shit board anon
>>64192739
>From my porn of you, the Jedi are evil!
Since when was an Obi-Wan sex-tape floating around, and just what evil acts does it show?
>>64193386
tfa is just so fast paced. theres no depth atall. a simple flick to please the easily entertained. i dont get the hate for the prequels at all. there was so much life to them
>>64193313
He's such a smug fuck lolol
>>64193552
it's almost like you've never even seen the originals
>>64193552
Agreed dude. People were just expecting a retread of the OT.
>>64193646
That's what I was thinking while I watched TFA
>>64193646
is there only a choice to like the originals or the prequels? why not both?
i do find the prequels more interesting to watch though
i loved her fake queen voice in ep 1
Muh dick
>>64193552
Star Wars was always a simple/fun fantasy-action flick. It was the fans that wanted to see more lore and more day-to-day stuff in the universe. Then when they got it, they realised it wasnt fun anymore, so they turned on Lucas. George was innocent; he gave people exactly what they asked for in the prequels: an official EU.
>>64193780
it was fun though
>>64193418
but...weren't the jedi the commission that was sent there to explore that there is a blockade or not?
and they tried to kill them. why didn't qui gon just say that the queen is telling the truth. wouldn't that be easier than to vote for no confidance againts the fucking chancellor??
>>64193780
>It was the fans that wanted to see more lore and more day-to-day stuff in the universe
u wot m8? that sounds like nerdy star trek talk
>>64193871
The fact that Valorum is asking if she would allow a more official commission be sent when he already sent private ambassadors to survey the situation and knows very well what's going on personally is one of the reasons Amidala asks for a vote to impeach him and replace him before his term is up.
Not only did the Jedi fail to negotiate a settlement but now the Chancellor who sent vainly requests another commission be sent as a formal appeasement to the same people who invaded her planet? Fuck all that noise.
The point was that Valorum was the Queen's strongest supporter but quickly bent to the whisperings of the bureaucrats standing next to him.
>>64193871
I never really understood what the jedi's role was supposed to be, I guess to scare the fish people?
But a commission was proposed by the fish people as an obvious delaying tactic, and I guess the point was that Valorum was so spineless he went along with them, which justified the no confidence vote.
>>64193871
The blockade wasn't a secret. The Trade Federation put it there because there were disputes in the Galaxy over correct taxation costs of the trade routes.
The Jedi were sent to negotiate to get them to remove the blockade.
>why didn't qui gon just say that the queen is telling the truth.
That's still not proof. The Chancellor wanted an official Senate investigation.
>>64194032
>>64194060
You ever think that sending a pair of telepaths to a negotiation might be considered an underhanded maneuver? Maybe the fish people were right to try to kill them.
>>64194163
Obi Wan could sense the general feeling of the place, not literally read their minds.
>>64194238
Obi Wan can control their minds.
>>64193998
what i dont get is that the two jedis were sent secretly so no one else bar the chancellor and people who jedi met (gunray, padmes group etc) knew that anyone knew what was going on on naboo.
basically, how does a vote of no confidence work, by majority vote? if so why what reasons do the other senators have to vote in padmes favour?
>>64192786
Formal speech for a formal occasion.
>>64193103
Purely by accident. Carrie was fresh from drama schooling in London when ANH was filmed and she'd picked up an accent while studying, and it came out particularly strongly when she was playing (or actually being) angry.
>>64194273
>when she was playing (or actually being) angry.
It didn't show up at all when she was screaming at Han or Luke
>>64194297
Once she dies, Padmè will no longer have a decoy. She is sorry for that b
>>64194371
Does every Senator have a decoy? Does Fatty McBlue have some?
>>64194266
The senate knew there was a crisis, and Valorum was obviously not solving it, so they voted him out.
>>64192739
"I've lost the Auryn and I can't find my luck dragon!"
Prequelfags plz go
>>64194444
nice quads
he was a good friend
>>64194472
they knew about the blockade, but not the droid army.
>>64194444
It looks like he ate the other bodyguards already
>>64193121
Who?
>>64194371
Plus it'll be hard to find a decoy that not only looks like her but sounds the exact same too.
Unless Padme is proficient in ventriloquism or something.
>>64193127
shit, it didn't hit me until now
>Dennis the Phantom Menace
well fuck me
>>64194444
Is that a real photo, are those prosthetics? Goddamn that looks amazing.
What the fuck is so important about Naboo anyhow?
>>64194974
Nothing, I don't think. They were just settling a simple trade dispute, but then it blew up into this whole big thing.
>>64194273
>>64194326
She was on Graham Norton recently and this story came up. She seems pretty fun and cool irl.
>>64195068
It was surprising that she's best buddies with GrahamI bet she fucked him too
>>64193086
>trying to use logic on the prequels
It gets worse when you realize the republic, which is made of at least a hundred planets, has no military, votes against a clone army for a military, wants 50-100 jedi to comprise of their entire defense, hates palpatine with every fiber of their being, then goes with his story about the jedi assassination attempt and go along with his assumption of power until he dissolves the senate decades later
I love star wars but I still have no idea about the bullshit politics and gay drama the built up in the prequels
>>64195068
She seems fucking batty, which makes her interesting. At least more so than Harrison "I'm gonna marry ally mcbeal and go away for 10 years" Ford.
>>64194949
It's interesting how Lucas choose to kept some practical effects and sets and made sure they look as good as ever, yet still comprise entire sets, sequences, characters, and locations in CG
>>64192739
>I move for a Vote of No Confidence in Chancellor Valorum's leadership
I movie for, you know, children.
>>64193701
I can't understand how so many people can watch the prequels.
The effects are so god damn bad and distracting.
>>64194974
Palps is from Naboo. He worked with the Trade Federation to influence the Senate to raise prices on the trade routes, then whispered into padmes ear that the current chancellor was too inept to solve the crisis, which caused him to be voted out, and palps voted in. Naboo as a planet isnt important.
>>64195373
why does taxing trade routes cause a crisis?
why does the trade federation invade Naboo then even though Padme did her part?
>>64195499
In fact what was the motive or goal of the trade federation? This is so fucking preplexing I'm pretty sure everyone releases this as soon as the movie is overwhich you can tell by their reactions in the initial screeningthey had change the bad guys to "separatists."
>>64195499
Trade Federation blockaded Naboo because Darth Sidious (Sheev in disguise) told them to; also because they're dicks who do it all the time.
Palps made Naboo and thus himself look like a victim; giving him more attention and support so he could become Chancellor.
He knew The Senate wouldn't react without him because the factions that would eventually become the Separatists (Trade Federation, Techno Union, etc.) were too strong and influential.
He basically created the schism on purpose; and convinced the Sepies that they could defeat the Republic - which led to the Clone Wars.
I still have no idea why anything that happened in episode I and II happened at all.
>>64195499
>why does taxing trade routes cause a crisis?
raised taxes means naboo people cant afford to pay for use of the trade routes, but they continued using them cause they need supplies, which is why the trade federation put up the blockade.
>why does the trade federation invade Naboo then even though Padme did her part?
palps had more goals to acomplish. he wanted the trade federation to overtake naboo (but padme teaming up with the gungdans stopped that). why? im not sure desu
Why would Lucas make a children's movie with such complicated political plot?
>>64196070
It's a soap opera, really.
>>64196070
because theyre not childrens movies?
>>64196470
Yeah, right...
>>64193115
Stop saying Sheev god damn it
>>64196591
What's wrong with Sheev, senpai?
>>64196675
It sounds fucking stupid.
And basically every non main character in the SW universe goes by their last name, but Palpatine gets an exception because his name is a fucking meme.
>>64192786
because having actors that cant act playing someone who is acting is a good trick.
>>64193311
The US senate has two senators per state
>>64196537
its got children elements but its not a childrens movie. all the politicing rules that label out
>>64192739
>>64192739
Howcome this lipstick style never caught on pham?
>>64196746
But sheev is sheev my dude
Wait, the Queen of Naboo is Padme?
WTF? I never even thought they were the same character.
>>64196933
She had a body double to be a decoy for assassins. That's who got shrekt by Jango Fett's bomb in the beginning of Episode II.
>>64196863
from my pov my parents are evil
>>64192786
I'm under the impression that every woman who incarnates the queen is supposed to do a number of things:
>speak emotionlessly
>never smile
That seems obvious from the movie.
>>64196866
dunno why girls dont experiment like this with lipstick. its always just one colour over both lips
>>64195393
Why the fuck do we still not have sounds on webms?
The handicapped chan has had it for over a year now.
>>64196933
>>64197196
this confused me at first cause even when she was undercover she went by the name padme. like, no one knows the queens first name?
>>64194238
>you will remove the blockade
>>64194266
Everyone knew about the blockade and it was one of the hottest issues in the Senate along with the taxation of the trade routes which the Trade Federation was opposing by way of the blockade, Valorum had sent the Jedi because he thought the Jedi could quickly end the crisis without creating chaos in the Senate.
Really, Amidala is probably the main one responsible for the Clone War. By taking it upon herself to fight and punish the Trade Federation and bypass Republic protocol to pursue her own system's own interests, she actually set a precedent for the Trade Federation and other systems to bypass or break away from the Republic if they felt the Republic was no longer going to look out for their interests either. Had Amidala not done so, the Republic's unity may have remained intact, possibly at Naboo's expense depending on the results of the election and what the new Chancellor did, or possibly with Naboo becoming free of the Federation by way of a more peaceful, albeit more prolonged method.
Most of the problems that the galaxy went through in the PT era can be traced back to Padme's decisions.
>>64194472
>>64194762
It'd be more accurate to say that the Senate voted the chancellor out with each doing so for their own personal reasons.
As Sheev told Amidala, there is no interest in the common good in the Senate. If Valorum was voted out, it was because each system had its own motivations for doing so.
>>64198749
Stop trying to argue the logic of the prequels, man.
The people who actually defend those shitstains are beyond hope or reason.
I'm so fucking glad TFA is pretending that shit doesn't exist.
>>64195499
.why does taxing trade routes cause a crisis?
"muh free market"
>>64192739
Supreme Chancellor: Be careful of the Jedi, Anakin. Only through me can you achieve a power greater than any Jedi. Learn to use the Dark Side of the Force and you will be able to save your wife from certain death.
Anakin Skywalker: What did you say? How do you know that...?
Supreme Chancellor: Use my knowledge, I beg you.
Anakin Skywalker: [igniting his lightsaber] You're the Sith Lord!
not
>it's treason, then
>>64194163
>>64194238
The space chinks knew that as soon as it was revealed the ambassadors were Jedi that they would be forced to settle the dispute and they were legitimately afraid to go against the Jedi Order.
The chancellor knew what he was doing in sending Jedi, what he didn't account for was Sidious' control of the situation. Under any other circumstances, the Neimodians might have buckled under pressure from the Jedi Order.
Qui-Gon even says that he sensed "an usual amount of anxiety for something as silly as this trade dispute" and when Panaka says the trade federation couldn't afford to kill the queen, he says that there is no logic in the Trade Federation's actions over something so trivial as this dispute.
The Trade Federation's actions were radical due to their being controlled by the Sith in the shadows. Valroum couldn't be expected to predict that the Jedi wouldn't be enough to force the conflict to end before it caused any more trouble in the Senate.
>>64199549
Holy fuck is this really the plot of the prequels
>Squandered potential: The trilogy tbqh familia shaking my head rn
the world trade federation was a good friend
>>64199362
A communication distruption can only mean one thing- Invasion
>>64199549
But why didn't the chancellor believe the jedis about the crisis on naboo?
You know, the two jedi he trusted enough to send to deal with it in the first place
You know, Clones and Revenge at least have SOME sense buried in them, they are just written very poorly and are edgy as fuck. Phantom Menace is just so out there, so different from any other movie, it feels like a bad LSD trip.
>>64199628
yes
>>64195108
Graham Norton is gay you fucking idiot.
>>64199808
But it had lightsaber fight
>>64199808
It felt like a dream. You know how in dreams things don't logically connect to each other and you're just washed through a sequence of things?
Like the jedi are in a dream world where one second they're sitting down drinking tea, the next they're like 'let's go down on the planet in separate vessels to warn the naboo'
Warn the naboo? It's a goal that would only make sense in a dream. The entire dream just nods and accepts the rediculous premise and they somehow meet up on the planet.
Then they meet an alien fella and go underwater, and it's like yep that's normal we just carry rebreathers all the time
Dream logic
Planet core? Oh yeah that's the planet highway, shortest distance!
>that boylover fan service by casting Jake Lloyd
When's our turn? Rey should've been 10, at most.
>>64199926
Watch the casting behind the scenes stuff. George samples a few cute little boys. He actually picks the worst actor and the one that looks the least like mark hamill.
It's bizarre. You see him going 'hmm I like this one' and then you see which one he's talking about and it's like a comedy show. All it needs is a laugh track, but the reality is that no-one is laughing.
>>64200052
I'm sure Lucas gave Jake's lil weiner kisses.
>tfw no prime portman girlfriend
>>64200353
I want holodecks to be real already.
Imagine being able to have fantasy sexual adventures with any person from any point in their lives in any combination, inexpensively and almost perfectly simulated?
Not just one portman, but I'd have fucking 10 of them. One would be her from when she was 18, then 19, and then so on.
>>64200423
>you can add dicks to your favorite girls
no homo tho
>>64200491
Or add vaginas to your favourite ladyboys, the possibilities are endless.
>>64200521
or add vaginas in places where there shouldn't be.
you can finally fuck that armpit you always wanted! or penetrate that base of the skull you always dream off!
literally endless
>>64199157
>Really, Amidala is probably the main one responsible for the Clone War.
- The Senate raised the taxes on the trade routes out of greed.
- The Trade Federation, under Sidious' guidance, "dramatically overreacted" by setting up a blockade, effectively condemning an entire planet to death.
- The Trade Federation/Sidious invaded that same planet and took everyone hostage to further put pressure on Amidala to sign their treaty.
.. yet when Amidala gathers an army to fight back in self-defense against these injustices, somehow you put the blame on her for starting the future war? That's some bullshit anon.
>If Valorum was voted out, it was because each system had its own motivations for doing so.
But we don't really know because those motivations aren't touched upon at all, to my knowledge. You're essentially just assuming.
>>64200568
Or a giant loli portman and you go potholing inside her vagina with some breathing gear.
ENDLESS
>>64199549
Prequels had god tier plot but poor execution
Anakin, Chancellor Valorum is evil
>>64200611
OR SOUNDING WITH BEADS MADE OUT OF TINY NATALIE PORTMANS!
ENDLESS
>>64200640
From my point of view democracy is evil!
>You underestimate the power of the Dark Side.
>>64200052
Are you talking about this video? Because Jake is a much beter actor than the other two boys. Skip to 3:19 in particular, that kid delivers his line like he's scared as shit to be auditioning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZSnB7yGylc
>>64192739
I always fast-forwarded through this part as a kid. I could not for the life of me understand the plot at all aside from the podracing and epic battle at the end.
>>64193103
Leia was mocking him?
Or maybe trying to be formal and royal sounding like Padme?
Guess she drops that when she isn't royalty anymore.
>>64199727
>But why didn't the chancellor believe the jedis about the crisis on naboo?
It's not that he didn't believe him. I think people are confused about what happened in the Senate scene. Valorum knows what is happening on Naboo better than anyone else, but because the fucking Neimodians have so much money and clout, they can use the bureaucracy to drag out the conflict. The Senator from the trade federation interjected and demanded a more official commission be sent. Valorum was all prepared to help Amidala, but as soon as the bureaucrats came in, Valorum capitulated to the trade federation's demands even when before he was telling the Trade Federation's senator to shut the fuck cause they hadn't been recognized to speak yet.
>Enter the bureaucrats, the true rulers of the Republic, and on the payroll of the Federation I might add. This is where Chancellor Valorum's strength will disappear.
When Padme sees Valorum and the Senate, instead of passionately jumping to help poor little Naboo against the corporate powers invading it, they just sort of sigh and say "send another commission even though the Queen herself is right here telling us her homeworld is being invaded."
>>64198441
Because moot and bunnyman after him seem to be okay with limiting it to porn and john cena videos.
>>64201627
>oh they stole me locked me in a cage and now are making demands but at least they are civilized and polite cting nice guys.
>>64202018
>>64198441
jewt was too afraid of screamers. Jap moot seems like he would do it if enough people bugged him
>>64201898
>even though the Queen herself is right here telling us her homeworld is being invaded."
The Viceroy of the Trade Federation is also right there denying the accusation.
>>64196070
Kids just ignore this stuff, they just look at all the things and ignore plot.
>>64199839
That's the joke, mong
>tfw on brink of galactic civil war and all you want is to frolic with the queen on her homeland of naboo
>"Where is...Padme..."
Quarterly reminder
>>64193239
>>64193386
>>64193552
The thing is though, the prequels have more "epic" moments, e.g. Duel of Fates etc.
and yet more politics and world-building than TFA.
It looks like JJ failed on both counts
>>64195361
and the terrible effects in the originals are unwatchable for me. like yoda for example. how can you enjoy that?
>>64195678
War profiteering
Watch the Clovis Arc in the Clone Wars - they grow through it quite deeply
>>64203824
yoda looks pretty good actually compared to the other aliens
>>64202905
Everyone knew the blockade was happening and Valorum knew what was going on on the planet from the Jedi. The problem was the Senate itself needed to be convinced. Padme was too impatient to allow a more official commission to be sent and thought that Valorum should have just been able to do something right there, moreso because he knew very well what she said was the truth.
It's kind of clever of George the way the corruption of the Republic plays out. Small and weak systems like Naboo are threatened by stronger corporate power with more clout and money, so smaller systems like Naboo choose to elect a new and "stronger" central authority figure who can be expected to protect them.
>>64195678
The Trade Federation was just one of the groups that joined the CIS which included the "Banking Clan, Corporate Alliance, Commerce Guilds and the Techno Union"
The CIS were basically all part of the major corporate sectors of the Republic. Given the reason the Trade Federation was blockading Naboo in the Episode I (neimodians don't like paying more taxes), we can assume this had a lot to do with their desire to separate from the Republic. The election of Palpatine may have also been a catalyst for it too as one his aims was to end the corporate corruption in the Senate of which the Trade Federation was a part. If they couldn't control the Senate with their money because Chancellor Sheev is too busy looking after the "little guys", they may as well leave the Republic or band together with their armies to force the Republic to obey their demands.
It'd be like if the federal government's taxing big business in the interest of the "99%" led to these companies, which in this case have their own private armies, to separate from the American government with their smaller business allies and eventually this led to a full scale war between the Federal government and its supporters who want a more centralized economy headed by the Executive office of the presidency and a bunch of large and middling companies who support a more free market under a decentralized system.
This actually works well with the deleted scenes from A New Hope with Biggs and Luke, where according to Biggs, one of the biggest sins of the Empire is apparently their efforts to nationalize everything and he tells Luke that sooner or later his uncle won't own his moisture farm anymore but just be another chump working Imperial property fro the glory of the Empire.
>>64203949
>The problem was the Senate itself needed to be convinced.
Right, that's what I'm saying. We as the viewer know that the Trade Federation's droid army has attacked Naboo, but no one on the Senate knew and there was also no proof of it.
>>64199910
The plot of both episode I and II were like a dream to me. Watching them again I realized I had forgotten literally everything about the plot and only remembered the action scenes. The biggest problem is that they leave out important information while having a convoluted political plot, which is why we're still trying to work out what the story of Episode I is.
PALPATINE'S BEHIND IT ALL!
>>64205406
You can't take over the Galaxy by just showing up and saying "I'm a Sith, guys, hand it over." You need some kind of Sheev plan.
Remember when they spent an hour of the plot trying to get a part for their ship? Oh man, that was great.
>>64200572
>... yet when Amidala gathers an army to fight back in self-defense against these injustices, somehow you put the blame on her for starting the future war? That's some bullshit anon.
Her lack of faith in the Republic's ability is what led to the rise of the Empire. Had she been more patient and had more faith in Valorum's and the Senate, Palpatine would never have had the opportunity to become Chancellor. Amidala threw a fit simply because the system wasn't moving fast enough in her planet's own interests and basically called for a radical decision that would alter the nature of the Republic dramatically in the long run. What's worse is that she called for a vote for a new Chancellor who might help Naboo, only to run to Naboo to fight the federation herself, meaning she never had to open the door to Palpatine at all.
>But we don't really know because those motivations aren't touched upon at all, to my knowledge. You're essentially just assuming.
It's not assuming, it's just logical. If Valorum was voted out of office due to a vote of no confidence, we can assume each system that voted to get rid of him had their own reasons. Otherwise, they wouldn't have voted for him. We can also get some insight what may have motivated them based on the nominations:
1. Bail Antilles from Alderaan (who is portrayed in a deleted scene as having seconded Naboo's move for a vote of no confidence and Alderaan & Naboo seem to be very similar planets)
2. The guy from Malastare (presumably the one who spoke out in support of the Trade Federation
3. Sheev (who either cashed in on sympathy for Naboo or used his influence as Sidious to make sure he was nominated)
>>64204787
But I think the point was that had Valorum been a "stronger Chancellor" with more power he would have immediately done something to help Naboo, he wouldn't bother with this formality of sending a more official commission to convince the Senate.
>>64205532
remember when padme was a little kid running an empire but people didnt suspect younglings.
>>64205509
get sheevpilled
>>64193210
>leia inherits the title of princess of alderan
>daughter of a queen
>who was not born into it, but elected
>at the age of 16
>who ruled an entirely different planet
how did this connection between leia and padme make it into the final draft of the story. a lot of the ridiculous things about the prequels could be believable with a little mental gymnastics on the viewers part, but this part was such a mess.
>>64205678
The originals fucked things up by making Luke and Leia siblings which created far more questions than it answered
>>64205644
Where does the spin come into the equation
>>64205678
Leia get her title because she was adopted by Jimmy Smits and the royal family of Alderaan.
>>64205561
>Had she been more patient and had more faith in Valorum's and the Senate
That's assuming this faith would have paid off. This we do not know. And there were hints that the Senate would not have come through.
Valorum himself KNEW what the Trade Federation were up to, he must have. He was the one who sent Obi and Qui to negotiate with them after all (who they tried to assassinate).
>called for a radical decision that would alter the nature of the Republic dramatically in the long run.
She put the idea forward then a Majority agreed. Yet you still put the primary blame on her.
>we can assume each system that voted to get rid of him had their own reasons.
Obviously.
Let me rephrase: We are left to assume/conjure up reasons for why the majority of Senators voted to remove Valorum.
The film didn't touch upon why they did what they did, to my knowledge. That's all I'm saying.
anyway, good chatting with you but i gotta go now. maybe we'll pick this up in another i move for a vote of no confidence thread.
>>64205360
I think the problem lies less in Lucas' writing and more in his editing.
Case in point. Who the fuck was Count Dooku? Well had Lucas kept the part @ 3:20 here, the audience might have had a clearer idea sooner in the film who the guy was and what his motivations might have been
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDPmS7a1UYo
Some of the scenes like "Extended Arrival on Naboo," would have probably been better left in as well
Scenes like "Changes to the Constitution" (4:23) and the scenes with Bail Organa and Mon Mothma might have also made Episode III feel a little tighter in the story department
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-hFh35U3go
>>64205989
I think the Senate voted no confidence then and there because Valorum committed the ultimate political sin of looking weak and unable to stand up to the bad guys.
Also, I would not be shocked if Palpatine helped via using the Force to "push" some of the Senators into voting for ousting Valorum.
Also it should be noted (since no one has brought it up); Sheev did not IMMEDIATELY become the new Chancellor.
The film ends with Sheev telling Amidala he was a shoe-in to get the job.
The various extended universe explains exactly HOW he did that; basically Sheev was super friendly and mysterious and almost completely "without ambition", which garnered him support in the Senate of people who thought that he would be, at worst, someone who would bring dignity back to the office after Valorum was shown to be a quisling
>>64206037
The Dooku part would have added a bit of context, but it still leaves his motivations mysterious. If the basic plot isn't laid out in the writing no amount of editing can make sense of it.
And I disagree about the constitution changes scenes, it's already stated that Palpatine needs to give up his emergency powers since the war is drawing to a close. Those scenes are very slow and boring anyway.
>>64205989
>That's assuming this faith would have paid off. This we do not know. And there were hints that the Senate would not have come through.
Whether it came through or not, the question is whether Naboo's sake is worth changing the entire system for. We don't know if the Senate would eventually move to help Naboo under Valorum because Padme was too impatient to wait and see if things could possibly work out in Naboo's favor under the then present system. But even if things moved in favor of the Trade Federation instead, when we consider everything that happened as a result of Padme's push for a vote of no confidence, thinking that it would be better for Naboo to suffer in order for the Republic to remain intact would not be unjustified. No Sheev in office would mean no Clone War and no Republic.
>Valorum himself KNEW what the Trade Federation were up to, he must have.
Whether he knew or not I think is irrelevant because he did not have the power to do anything for Naboo besides offer his own moral support. This is the point, as Sheev says "The chancellor has little real power," and "The Senate is full of greedy squabbling delegates, there is no interest in the common good" Sheev's election saw the gradual emergence of a stronger head of state who could control the bureaucracy and act over and above the Senate in the interest of the "common good."
>She put the idea forward then a Majority agreed. Yet you still put the primary blame on her.
There was no indication that Valorum was going to be ousted until Amidala put forward the idea that he should be replaced. The blame does fall on her in as much as her actions are responsible for the Emperor assuming control and for the Trade Federation breaking away from the Republic, both of which led to the death of the Republic.
>>64192916
ANDGO FUCK YOUROWNFACE
>>64206320
That's a good point, Palpatine always got others to grant him more power. And actually this image >>64205644 makes a good point that all the separatists were corporate, banking, and trade organisations. So he got supreme control of the republic's military as well as its economy before even creating the empire.
The jedi were all that stood in his way and had to be eliminated. Plus he was a sith so hated jedi anyway.
>>64205644
>/pol/
fuck off with this tinfoil bullshit
>>64206668
>And actually this image >>64205644 makes a good point that all the separatists were corporate, banking, and trade organisations. So he got supreme control of the republic's military as well as its economy before even creating the empire.
Like I said here >>64204576, economy plays a subtle yet important role in these movies. Sheev created a war that saw the corporate sectors of the Republic, who fought primarily with the pooled resources of their own private armies of battle droids, fighting against the more public sector, which used a federal army of clone troopers.
The war devastated the economy of the Republic, leaving room for Sheev's new Imperial government to control all major areas of commerce through nationalization, which eventually became one of the many motivations for some to join the later rebellion.
>>64203394
Based Anakin, keeping his waifu priorities straight
>>64204576
ok hold the fuck up
where they raising taxes to make more money or just fucking not wanting to pay taxes?
what the fuck is going on here
why didn't they mention any of this shit in the movie with just a one off line of dialogue which would have made things make more fucking sense
why do i need to read a fucking book to make any prequel movie actually make sense
fuck these movies
>>64206364
*anonkun
>>64207030
Padme seduced a young Jedi who was confused and suffering from mommy issues and enabled his fall to the dark side. Fuck her.
>>64207036
>where they raising taxes to make more money or just fucking not wanting to pay taxes?
It's never really explained why the Republic is taxing the trade routes, whether it's just greed or for the common good. We can assume that they were taxed for the same reasons we tax shit in our world.
>why didn't they mention any of this shit in the movie with just a one off line of dialogue which would have made things make more fucking sense
But they mention the taxation of the trade routes and the Trade Federation's protest against it in the opening crawl of Episode 1 and remind us of the connection between the invasion and the taxes during the Senate sequence.
>>64207189
>Fuck her.
Just saying out loud what we're all thinking
>>64207220
I would have preferred Keira Knightley to play Padme to be honest family
>>64207220
DELETE THIS
>>64206968
I guess the old assessment keeps getting proved right: the prequels had some great ideas but weren't good at getting them across.
>>64207189
it's all so unfocused though, couldn't they elaborate a bit more on a central element of the plot's setup? i know why you tax things but it's nice to fucking know more about what's going on in the movie instead of making up my own reasons because the film can't be arsed to try
>>64192786
So it would be easier for her doubles to impersonate her most likely.
>>64207603
Yeah this is still the biggest problem for me. Stoklasa is wrong when he says the movie makes no sense. It potentially makes sense, but you have to fill in all the gaps yourself because so much is unexplained.
>>64207392
I don't think even people who like the prequels necessarily deny that. For myself, I've always felt that the prequels had a lot of substance under their surface, but I also think that had Lucas been more clear when it came to "getting these ideas across" it might have dragged down the movies even more than they were already by such things, which is probably why unlike the Originals, whose story is very simple and direct in comparison because it doesn't go much into the Empire besides "they're with the dark side", the prequels were often much more dependent on their supplemental materials coming out of the Expanded Universe to explain the finer nuances of their political and religious themes.
>>64207603
>it's all so unfocused though
I agree that one of the main problems with the prequels is a lack of better focus, but I also feel like Lucas was in a position where he had all these ideas that created a complex and nuanced situation stacked with a lot of personal drama but he also had to try to make a film each time that was only 2 hours long or less and not make it one that would put people to sleep.
The prequels suffer a lot from a grandiose vision that might have been better treated as a long running television series or series of comics or novels than for just three movies. At least that's my opinion.
>>64207825
>but you have to fill in all the gaps yourself because so much is unexplained.
you LOSTfags literally make my head hurt
One of my favorite lines is when Anakin is contemplating whether or not he should kill Count Dooku and Palpatine suddenly goes into his Emperor voice and says, "Do it!"
>>64207929
??????
I said that was a problem with the films
>>64205644
Did they really need to do "senate gives Palpatine more power" scene three times?
>>64207961
That was genuinely creepy.
>>64208217
when will this Lucas revisionism meme end?
>>64207825
>but you have to fill in all the gaps yourself because so much is unexplained.
Either that or you have to check out some Expanded Universe materials which either attempt to make sense of George's ideas or use the ideas he wasn't able to fit himself into the final cut.
This goes back to the production of A New Hope. Originally, there was going to be more context given on why people were fighting against the Empire, which would have gone well with some of the political talk in the Death Star council chamber (and certainly would have made you care more when Biggs dies, which is treated like it's a big deal), but this stuff was removed in order to keep the story fast paced and flowing and while there are some hints why people don't like the Empire, it's not quite the more complex vision Lucas originally had.
It's possible that Lucas could have made a three hour movie for each prequel that provided all sorts more context and exposition that made the plot clearer, but there's also a good chance that audiences would nonetheless have complained in this case about the movie being too slow and boring (more than they may already have been with the final cut)
>>64208136
No. They didn't need to do any of the scenes from the prequel trilogy at all.
But if you're going to write a story about an evil genius subverting an entire galactic political structure, it's unrealistic to imagine that he'll convince his constituents to give away ALL their power in one vote.
>>64193127
those were confirmed fakes
>>64208253
it's upsetting to watch
I'd take every thread devolving into baneposting again over this abhorrence
>>64205644
>use the entire Galactic Republic
>use the Jedi, his sworn enemies,
>kill democracy and everything the Republic stands for, after he's done with them
>wipe out the Jedi after he's done with them
>lyrical wordsmith tier with words
>powerful ass Sith Lord
>invented the Sheev Spin
Sheev is god tier
>>64206330
>The Dooku part would have added a bit of context, but it still leaves his motivations mysterious.
I think that extra context would go a long way especially once we reached the interrogation of Obi-Wan Kenobi
>>64209154
yes
>>64209207
Maybe
>>64209268
i don't know
>>64193086
Senators are represantives from the different planets.
She is the Queen of Naboo so when she was there she didn't need their senator to speak but could speak directly
>>64209583
can you repeat the question?
What did he mean by this scene?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaXHDpCe-KI
>>64210094
This is one of the scenes the prequels are very fortunate to have in my opinion.
>>64192739
Why does Sheev go through all the effort to make it look like a Jedi set up the clone army and didn't point to that when called out by the Jedi? Wouldn't that have been a better plan that melting his own face? Being like "Yo I found out the Jedi are behind the clones and a Jedi is the leader of the trade federation I think they're bad!" would have been a much more solid plan.
What was Sheev's plan if Windu had called him out in public with a bunch of cameras around? Would he just have said fuck it and whipped out his laser sword?
>>64210482
>What was Sheev's plan if Windu had called him out in public with a bunch of cameras around? Would he just have said fuck it and whipped out his laser sword?
I doubt Mace would have done something like that. It would be better to arrest teh Chancellor in the quietest way possible and move quickly to seize control of the Senate.
>>64208408
desu if he wanted to do something really different a 3 hour thing probably would have been the shit
if people could sit through 3 LOTR movies they could probably handle longer ster wers prequels
>>64210094
>Count Dooku
>Count D........u
>Count Dracalu
Holy shit, it all makes sense now
>>64210482
Did Sheev even need the Jedi to actually attack him? It's not like he can present the evidence that it happened without exposing himself as a sith. Any security footage would show him spinning with a lightsaber and all. So the Senate pretty much has to trust his word.
>>64210797
Took you that long to figure it out?
He's even played by Christopher Lee
>>64210912
The senate were cucks anyway, and since he was controlling both the separatists and the clones he was kind of the only guy in the whole galaxy with an army
>>64210591
Yeah, Palpatine could have just feigned innocence, there'd be an outcry if the jedi just overuled the government and arrested the chancellor.
>>64192739
>>64195393
Why is she so sad, bros?
>>64211300
all these adde ornaments and hair were really heavy. Lucas thought her look added to the situation she and her planet are in
>>64210591
Why the fuck wouldn't Windu have done something like that? If Sheev had done nothing more than be a Sith then it would have made sense to not be loud about it but they were planning on pulling him out into the public to go on trial for what he did. It made no sense to try to assault him alone in his office.
They would have won completely if they had just walked up after a meeting in senate like they were doing constantly anyway.
>>64210730
Maybe. But one complaint from casual audiences towards LOTR was their length.
I think Lucas was a bit autistic on this area though. The entire story of the Original Trilogy only covers about three years time, but the Prequel trilogy consists of three movies of at least 2 hours and 15 minutes length and covers more than 13 years of Anakin's life and the decline of the Republic. It's rather difficult to believe that that would be all that is needed to tell what is really, even just by looking at the prequels' finished product, is a very complicated story filled with all sorts of intrigues, backstabbings and emotion. This is also why I think the prequels are better when viewed as more part and parcel of the Expanded Universe. Not to say that Lucas beheld himself to the EU, but his dependence on others to provide the greater context for his movies, often by using ideas he himself originally wanted to do, is very obvious throughout the time the prequels were being released and after.
Had Lucas opted for either longer movies, more than three movies or produced a television, he probably would have been able to do everything he wanted and the prequels may have been able to stand better on their own without the need for a television series or a series of comic books to do things like explain who the Sith are to the casual crowd or explain who the fuck Sifo-Dyas was.
>>64211254
In the Expanded Universe, before the establishment of the the Republic we see in the Prequel Trilogy, the Jedi actually did have direct control over the Republic and were its rulers in a time of crisis. Mentioning something to that effect in the movie would have been really good
>>64211596
You don't think arresting the Chancellor, who is apparently popular enough that people are voting to give more executive power, in broad daylight and telling the Senate that they are now beholden to Jedi Council and not their democratically appointed leader might not be the best PR?
>>64211596
Sheev had a super high approval rating and the Mace, to his credit, knew that if they publicly accused Sheev, he'd use EVERY bit of corrupt influence he had to discredit the Jedi and their charges AND get acquitted at any trial.
Mace's logic is that Sheev could not be taken out through legal means and more to the point, every second Sheev breathed after they found the truth out about him, ran the risk of Sheev doing what he ultimately did and make the first move to wipe out the Jedi before they could move against him.
TL;DR: Sheev had too much power and was too popular with the masses for the Jedis to bring him down legally and would have killed them off first chance he could. They had to kill him first THEN worry about explaining things to the Senate how a fucking SITH LORD that was behind all of the galaxy's problems was hiding in plain sight and played everyone for fools to get supreme power.
>>64212465
>TL;DR: Sheev had too much power and was too popular with the masses for the Jedis to bring him down legally and would have killed them off first chance he could. They had to kill him first THEN worry about explaining things to the Senate how a fucking SITH LORD that was behind all of the galaxy's problems was hiding in plain sight and played everyone for fools to get supreme power.
And by that time, the Jedi would have assumed control of the Senate and Courts anyway, so if anyone questioned this whole "Sheev is a Sith responsible for the Clone War" thing, the Jedi could shut them up or just prevent them from speaking out.
Looking back on it, Anakin may have actually saved Mace from himself if we assume that seizure of such power for themselves would inevitably corrupt the Jedi in charge.
>>64212465
Yeah but then they literally have video of Sheev saying KILL BABIES.
>>64212655
Jedi babies*
Remember that from their point of view the jedi were evil
>>64211300
Qui-Gon rejected her
>>64192739
The make-up and sadness on her face looks so rapeable
>>64193103
holy shit this
pottery
>>64192739
>aye muve fo'ra voate of no confedence in chancellor'velorum's'leadaship
fixed
>ITT people who haven't seen episode 1
>>64214993
She didn't speak like a cockney, you blubbering imbicel.
>>64207392
>>64207854
>I don't think even people who like the prequels necessarily deny that
Exactly. The prequels fascinate me. I'm all too aware of their flaws but the story and the themes are very intriguing to me and I enjoy discussing them. Hell, I enjoy watching them, and that includes poking fun at all the hokey parts.
I'm merely bothered that talking about them has been so taboo for so long. I hate that criticism of them has been reduced to ignorant meme spouting based off nitpicking in a video that straight up tells you the nitpicking is for humorous effect and isn't the fucking point.
I find it annoying that people act like they're the worst movies ever made because they differed in some regards and obviously didn't stack up to the OT.
In short, I dislike the ridiculous overreaction to them and how said overreaction has, in many circles, precluded any deeper discussion of their merits.
>>64211300
>>64192739
>>64195393
>>64200572
Man, I'd rail TPM Padme. Loved her costumes and big hair. Too bad she became a pointless action girl to draw in female viewers.
>>64215714
You better shut the fuck up. I'll suck your dick, nigga.
>>64216794
I think over time, people will probably be able to look at the prequels more objectively.
I do think there's a hidden "genius" to the prequels that is obscured either by the meme hate or by Lucas' own mistakes.
and the prequels I think are often held too much to conventional standards when none of the star wars movies really conventional movies.
>>64193311
she was representing naboo, which sheev normally did, but when she's at the senate she can speak for naboo and have the same powers as their senator
>>64206591
>the question is whether Naboo's sake is worth changing the entire system for.
changing the chancellor (which she didnt even do cuz it relied on majority vote) is not "changing the entire system"
>We don't know if the Senate would eventually move to help Naboo under Valorum because Padme was too impatient to wait
she was "impatient" cause the senate was ALREADY NOT HELPING. the people of her planet were already dying off day by day and the senate did nothing. at what point should padme have stopped waiting? she knew the chancellor knew about the invasion yet was doing nothing. what if they sent the commision to naboo but it took like a month for them to report back or some other hiccup occured. theres gotta be a breaking point and padme decided it had been met
>Whether he knew or not I think is irrelevant because he did not have the power to do anything
then hes a shit chancellor and should be removed on that alone
>There was no indication that Valorum was going to be ousted until Amidala
earlier you (?) said all the other senates had their own reasons for wanting valorum out. just cause she put the idea forward first doesnt make her such a primary target of blame. again, A MAJORITY VOTED for valorums removal
>The blame does fall on her in as much as her actions are responsible for the Emperor assuming control and for the Trade Federation breaking away from the Republic, both of which led to the death of the Republic.
no. you know whos responsible for the emporer assuming control? the emperor.
you trying to put more blame on padme for the fall of the republic than the fucking sheev is ridiculous
>waiting for the 1970 french remake of this section of a.o.t.c
>>64205965
>"My wife and I have always wanted a little girl"
>"And what about the boy?"
>"idgaftbqhfam"
>"I suppose I'll just send him the dirtfarm where his grandmother was raped then."
Obi Wan what are you doing
>>64193086
No, but as a representative of her planet, Sheev, or anyone else in the senate could yield the floor to her.
>>64205561
Holy fuck the prequels were way too deeppost yfw you realize everyone hates on them is because the average viewer is too stupid to understand George's brilliant pottery
>>64193086
>She isn't a member of the Senate
All positions of higher rank than a senate are welcome to join the senate. Senators are only the representatives. If the highest member of a sovereign system/planet can attend, they have a right to join
>>64211300
Because Hershlag Porkman gets the credit even though every memorable thing about Pandameat Amygdala was played by Kiera Knightly.
>>64193239
>i love the politics in the prequels
this. they should even have kept Bail Organa's and Mon Mothma's scenes/secret meetings
not only did they explain more about how the republic was being destroyed, it also highlighted how padme and anakin both wanted to trust each other but couldn't
if i was anakin i would have also burned the galaxy for Padme, i mean who wouldn't
>>64195218
>I love star wars but I still have no idea about the bullshit politics
this basically confirms people who cant appreciate the politics do not have a functional mind
>>64199175
>I'm so fucking glad TFA is pretending that shit doesn't exist
>I'm so fucking glad I have my explosions and more explosions
>a fighting force supported by the legitimate government is called the "resistance"
>who cares, it's like the rebellion it sounds cool and underdoggish
>give me more explosions!!!
>>64221101
>the average viewer is too stupid to understand George's brilliant pottery
I don't think it's this so much as George being too autistic to effectively convey his brilliant pottery to the audience without some real help.
Seriously though, as a reformed prequel hater and Plinkett parrot I would characterize my coming to terms with them as a serious labor of love. It took multiple viewings and a lot of thorough analysis to get to the point where I accepted them.
Most people do not and will not give enough of a shit to sift through the dirt and find the diamonds hidden within.
>>64220997
And he was a good friend.
>>64205644
this is why Prequel plot was God-tier and MUST be appreciated more
it builds up how much of a threat the Emperor is in the original prequels
>>64205678
>>64193210
Padmes parents were assassinated and she inherited the position
Her parents were killed bypoisionous insects bought by a droid bought by a shapeshifting assassin paid by Jango Fett hired by Darth Maul at the order of Darth Sidious on behalf of Darth Plagueies
>>64221898
Nope. You meet Queen Abudabi's parents in a deleted scene in attack of the clones.
>>64206591
>Whether it came through or not, the question is whether Naboo's sake is worth changing the entire system for.
It set a precedent for other smaller weaker systems without economic or military clout obviously.
Even then, if Amidala hasn't come forward with the vote, Sheev will find another way
>>64210797
>Dracalu
