How do we save the horror genre?
Understand that CG alone isn't scary.
The less you see the better, and that doesn't mean "the less you can see it, the better".
forget the 2000s happened.
Stop remaking remakes, everyone already knows their schtick so no one will be scared.
>>64185241
>CG alone isn't scary.
CG isn't scary, period.
>>64185283
CG is a tool. When used correctly it can help make something scary.
Slapping a big CG monster isn't scary anymore, because we're used to having monsters in TV and films since the 40s.
>>64185190
Have the people who made this make more horror movies.
Then have them teach other horror directors how to make horror movies.
>>64185310
>When used correctly it can help make something scary.
[citation needed]
When were you ever scared by a cg creature or makeup effect etc?
Actual legitimately scary movies. Not movies that pander to genre tropes and do things that are "acceptable" in the realm of what general audiences find scary. I've never really been too interested in horror movies but if I were I'd look to make something way the fuck off center. Imagine uncanny valley being the inspiration instead of gore, FX or jump scares.
You never see any truly frightening uses of depth-of-field, editing, score, etc. Everybody is too bound to what's already been done.
>>64185313
babadook wasnt horror tho
Buy the rights to a mediocre flick then pay people to shill your mediocre flick on the internet so teenagers think it's the best thing ever, even though it's really just a mediocre flick.
>>64185375
thriller/drama/horror is what id call it.
kek.
you might be right. it might be too good to be considered horror.
Make more horror movies on mentally ill people instead of le spooky cgi monsters
>>64185363
No point making one genuinely great horror movie when you can make 10 found footage movies for the same outlay.
>>64185426
What is this actually from? It looks spooky and I keep seeing it, but searching it gave nothing last I did it.
I guess the mystery factor coupled with the shoddy looking design make it so creepy. People fear what they don't know and like others have said in this thread, the less you see the better. It's a delicate balance.
>>64185313
Put in less annoying child screentime and change the sound effects a bit and this movie would be this generation's exorcist
>>64185344
I have none (aside from Cloverfield, perhaps, and it wasn't that great either) but
>CG =/= big 3D creature
Again, CG is a tool and it's now incredibly precise so used with pragmatism and taste it can enhance something that was already created by the original shot. Used well it would be another tool that can be used to add to the original scene, the same way sound editing, additional lighting and such are. Instead it's treated as a go-to solution every time something would require too much work or money during shooting.
>>64185375
>>64185423
Any "horror" movie that becomes mildly sucessful becomes a "psychological thriller" because the horror genre has a terrible image and reputation, especially among critics who are basically the ones responsible for genre branding.
In its core, the Silence of the Lambs is a horror movie, but since it was both critically and publicly sucessful and got rewards and acclaim, no one will call it that since it would discredit it.
horror is a pleb genre anyway
Flooding + unknown creatures underwater
The creatures are never totally seen.don't hate me
>>64185466
>>>64185423
>Any "horror" movie that becomes mildly sucessful becomes a "psychological thriller" because the horror genre has a terrible image and reputation, especially among critics who are basically the ones responsible for genre branding.
What about the Exorcist?
>>64185466
Yes it's a very useful tool - for certain things. Evoking fear is not one of them. You can't feel afraid when the most salient point about the thing you're looking at is that it is obviously CG and fucking fake looking, which in horror movies it ALWAYS is. In order to have emotional response like that you have to suspend disbelief.
Give ONE example where the fact that something was CG made it scary or shut the fuck up.
Explore new gimmicks. instead of using the same monsters like zombies, vampires, and ghosts because the only recent good movies about vampires recently dealt with it in a more meta way like Let The right one in and a girl walks home alone at night take on one that hasn't been used yet or rarely, or you can make something up entirely and just go along with it. I think the fear of not seeing something can be the most scary thing in a movie, but in some movies like The Thing if you blow away people's expectations with something that can work too.
>>64185518
To be angry is to be human.
>>64185458
>he doesn't know
It's better that way, don't go looking
>>64185581
>Le Grifter 2.0
>>64185313
No thank you
>>64185458
Look up Lucifer.avi
>>64185531
>>64185551
>>64185581
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Weird.
>>64185516
Most of the time when people who are not usually horror fans praise it, they tend to mention everything except the horror elements. Stuff like all the religious connotations, the writing, etc.
Same could be said about The Haunting. YOu can see the movie getting credit (rightfuly so) but when that happens no one is going to say it is a "haunted house movie", instead you will see it described as a character study, an introspective look at a situation, an exploration of context-person interaction. None of this is wrong, but you still can't take away the fact that it is a haunted house movie, and that doesn't stop it from being more.
>>64185423
>too good
Gr8 b8 m8
>>64185363
uncanny valley shit is nightmare fuel. I'd enjoy an uncanny valley horror movie.
>>64185458
They say whoever saves the picture dies in 7 days unless they can find original source.. Good luck anon.
>>64185601
>>64185627
Sorry about your shit tastes.
>>64185634
Watch Mars Needs Moms.
>>64185661
Well luckily I didn't save it and wouldn't mind dying anyway.
Im hoping for The Witch to be good. But Im not so sure it will...
>>64185623
That makes sense. Pretty well explained.
>>64185518
Cg isn't just a 3D image though. Film treatment and post processing is all CG nowadays.
I agree with you that 3D monsters are more often than not not scary at all though.
>>64185671
lol shit
Krampus was the best horror film I've seen in quite a while.
I suppose creativity. Frankenstein's Army worked because of the different directions it went. Yeah it was camera footage, but it also let us have long fixed shots of the carnage and show the scope of Frankenstein's monsters.
Why is practical so much better than CGI monsters in horror? JC's Thing looks a million times better than the atrocity that spawned in response to it.
>>64185785
Physical interaction and real response to light.
Shit writers in horror now.
Need a new Blatty and not some faggot max landis
>>64185785
You do know for the reboot they actually made all the practical effects but then the studio decided to go with CG because they thought the practical effects looked too fake and silly.
Yeah.
>>64185841
Yes. Have you seen the original practical work? I've never wanted to strangle suits so much before.
It wouldn't have saved a mediocre movie, but at the very least, we would have gotten some neat monsters.
The Alien pilot, despite not making it into the movie either way, was particularly cool.
Stop with the found footage and jump scares.
>>64185929
Found footage is not inherently bad, but it is overused in this day and age.
Jump scares are only bad if carried out badly. Shock is a natural part of the human capacity for fear.
They could focus on more gripping psychological horror and less on increasingly elaborate death sequences. Jacob's Ladder as opposed to Friday the 13th.
I know it's been said a thousand times now, but animatronics and other practical effects need to make a comeback over CGI. The image of burned Chucky slowly pacing down a hallway sticks with me far more than the entirety of movies like Cloverfield ever did.
The constant stream of remakes also has to end or at least slow down considerably.
>>64185190
For a subset of comedy, it has a weird name. I propose that horror be renamed comedy until a more specific name fits.
>>64185458
It's a shitty suspect sketch, some faggot posted it saying it was a picture of jesus, and then everyone started shitposting with it.
>>64185190
Name one scary movie from any era, because I've never seen one. Horror is meme genre.
Honestly, I believe that how crimson peak delivered their story was genuinely scary. They also had such a beautiful CG work with the monster/ghosts, it scared me in such a unique way that I haven't since seen in other horror movies. Like, other horror films have had me on edge and I give credit where credit is due to the babadook, older horror films, Insidious (the the story was kind of shotty) and while its a running joke paranormal activity did have me scared in the first movie at some parts. It lost its edge after that but I will admit whole heartily that I was genuinely scared at some parts. But what crimson peak did that other horror films with monsters or supernatural beings didn't do, is deliver the monster in a satisfying way. Does anyone else agree or am I just terrible at picking horror movies?
>>64186328
The Thing
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>>64186465
>being afraid of moving pictures and sounds
Are you four? Please, point me to a actually scary movie, because it would be interesting to see one.
>>64186506
>being afraid of moving pictures and sounds
Yeah, that's pretty much how all horror is delivered. I mean you could argue psychological mind fucking does it without the visuals and sounds but then you just have nothing but complete fear of the unknown. But hey just belittle because you're Mr.Badass who isn't scared of nothing no how.
Kill everyone who says things resembling the following
>Silence of the lambs isnt real horror though
>Horror Comedy is the evolution of a genre and is a step in the right direction
>I love jump scares
>Jason takes Manhattan was not that bad
>Horror movies being terrible is acceptable because muh traditional slasher
>I like found footage
Once all these people are dead horror can finally move on and be experimental again and not be the laughing stock of cinema.
For fucks sake even Romantic Comedies are more innovative these days.
>>64188129
actually i need to add a few things
>torture porn should never be forgotten and has its place in horror
>the ending to saw is good and makes perfect sense
>anything that people who normally do not like horror claim is a good horror movie is something all us true horror fans should hate (see horror fans response to the overwhelmingly positive critical reception to both the Babadook and It Follows, there are plenty more examples though)
>children singling nursery rhymes slowly is so creepy XD XD
