Do people seriously claim that practical effects look better than cgi?
>>64160682
They are
>>64160682
One of these looks bad and dated, the other is practical effects.
>Dealing with absolutes
>>64160788
Definately a Sith desu
>>64160682
Yes because it does
CGI Yoda looks like a fucking video game cover.
The thing about practical effects is that even if they're not perfect, you know they're real
Look at TFA
Even as far as we've come in prosthetics, animitronics, and other practical effects, you still know that the creatures in the movie aren't real. But, even though you know they're not real, there's actually something there and it's easy to suspend your disbelief.
With CGI, like on Maz, you can tell it's CGI and there's nothing actually there. You know it's not real AND you can tell when things as subtle as the lighting are off. It's much harder to suspend your disbelief and pretend what you're looking at is actually there.
>>64160682
In your picture case sure did.
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>>64160857
puppet yoda looks like a puppet
>>64160880
They actually found a way around this with the planet of the apes movies
>>64160682
Fun prequels drinking game:
Pick a CGI character, and then you have to drink any time an actor talks to your character but fails to look in the correct location as they're speaking.
Also, OP is an autistic prequels apologist.
>>64160682
The puppet looks like an old Buddhist monk, the computer rendering looks like a progeria baby. Why did they change his face so much? Was it even on purpose?
>>64160682
The OP looks like a cutscene from an xbox 360 game desu.
>>64160847
Davy Jones in pirates of the Caribbean is the only one I can think of where it's perfect.
And how would you let a shitty puppet fight?
Exactly.
Now fuck off, retarded hipsters. We all know you guys don't really have stadnards and just felt like shitting on the prequels because that's why. At the same time you give 7 9/10s which is a piece of shit.
>>64161099
Yoda should never have fought in the first place.
>>64161041
Oh man I forgot about Davy Jones. That was spot on.
>>64161166
dis
>>64161009
you misspelled ps2
>>64160682
The very simple answer is that our eyes can still spot the fakery. Maybe someday CGI will be just as convincing but that hasn't happened yet, and it sure as hell hadn't happened yet when Episodes I, II and III were made.
>>64161166
When he started jumping around waving the lightsaber the entire theater bursted out laughing.
Bravo George.
>>64160880
Your mind picks up on those subtle lighting inconsistencies (insert plinkett reference) no seriously it does. It's a bit like how your brain can roughly estimate a number of objects by just seeing them for a second.
All of that wears down on your suspension of disbelief. And obviously CGI always looks like garbage a few years later.
Theres just no way CGI artists can accurately replicate lighting and everything else
practical will always be superior to cgi if done right
just look at Terminator:
in the original he looks like an actual machine disguised as a human
but in genesys he looks like hes not even in the scene, like a hologram
>tfw no Sci Fi Adventure using all practical effects for a gimmicky marketing stunt has happened yet
>>64161511
looked freaky
>>64160682
My conclusion as far as Star Wars is concerned is that they were both equally bad.
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>>64161511
"muh practical effex! xD" comment is the "le wrong generashun" comment of movies
>>64161763
literally reddit:the post
>>64161763
back to reddit with you
>>64161763
You have convinced me
>>64161763
Just look at OP's motherfucking picture sire. Is clear as day.
>>64160924
And the puppet looks real :^)
Is the mod a redditor?
>>64161166
This
>>64161763
Yes were all wrong and you are the only one thats right...kill yourself
>>64160924
CGI Yoda looks like CGI. What's your point?
>>64160682
Sometimes.
For faces practical effects are usually better.
>>64161346
They did that at my theater too but the kids were talking about it.
So job done I guess.
They should have had Yoda and Sheev be so powerful they are above the use of Lightsabers and normal Jedi/Sith wield The Force itself via Lightning/Telekinesis.
And they kinda did....sort of
cgi can never get lighting, dirt or cloth/hair movement done properly.
practical effects looks like it has weight, exists in the real world and interacts with the environment (air) properly.
>>64161763
Your generation is garbage.
>>64161166
Yep, that was the worst decision.
>>64160682
At least practical effect didn't inspire the staff to make the old wise tiny character and acrobatic super fighter.
>>64160682
You tell me, OP.
You might not get it but your brain does. Poor CGI takes me out.
Tremors was a good example of practical
which is better really does depend on how well it's done. Of course nobody wants to see a puppet doing air born kicks and shit
Puppet Yoda looks better, Episode 1 aside. Only limitation was the lack of precision in facial movement. Practical with a few CG effects to enhance it when necessary is the way to go.
>>64160984
lmao Obi wan and qui gon are always looking above Jar-Jar's eyes or at his mouth and they react to what he says completely late as shit
>>64161166
thank you.
Now where does The Thing and The Thing Prequel come into the CGI vs Practical Effect argument?
From what I hear they tried using cgi to touch up the practical effects but overdid it to the point where it looked like shit.
IMO puppets look like shit, but that's just opinion.
What isn't opinion is that you generally get much better performances out of actors on set with a puppet than you do with a tennis ball on a stick.
>>64165462
Jurassic Park did a good job of hiding their CGI, sans the "They do move in herds," and that one scene where those pack of herbivores were stampeding scenes.
I dunno but I converted to practical effects after watching this:
https://youtu.be/NDrgyq_QUpo
https://youtu.be/V4MeNd0Bp_o
https://youtu.be/vVkzRe-iLmA
>>64161166
>shows up shittalking warriors literally in his first infection with luke
>doesn't even own a lightsaber
>told Luke to leave his weapons behind for his most important test
>"a jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense, never for attack"
>whips out that little lightsaber of his and goes to town
And people say Lucas understands these movies
>>64164323
>Windows 10
>Opera
>>64166010
I dunno about the prequel but there was never any CG involved in the original
The physics is wrong with CGI. Nothing looks like it has any weight.
>>64161394
>Theres just no way CGI artists can accurately replicate lighting and everything else
t. have no idea what im talking about
>>64166085
That's probably because the majority of jurassic park was practical effects.
>>64160682
The secret is to use both practical effects and CGI - you only add minor CGI details to existing practical effects
>>64166010
The prequel scrapped the already-made practical effects entirely for CGI I thought.
>>64160682
CGI looks like fucking crap, get the fuck out lucas, its passed your bedtime.
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>>64166832
It's weird. The recent prequel was meant to have mostly practical effects, and the people behind them were very enthusiastic about it. It was all done and shot that way, but in post-production someone decided that the movie needed cgi so they replicated the props and stuff digitally and inserted it al over the movie, so we didn't get to apreciate the practical effects.
This video became very popular for showing the special effects that were originally intended:
https://youtu.be/fBzpT7VmSaU
That alien at the end was meant to be the pilot of the ufo that the thing hijacked.
>>64166581
What's this "t. " thing?
I'm not a native speaker of the english language
the puppets moved like crap though. At least with CGI you can do motion capture and get realistic movements.
>>64160682
They do, puppet Yoda had more charisma and personality than the whole prequel trilogy put together. Also him prancing around like a faggot looked seriously retarded.
Why do the prequels get constant threads trying to defend them and getting laughed out of the board immediately? I'm thinking it's just the one autist posting these threads over and over. Kill yourself, retard.
>>64160924
CGI yoda looks like a nintendo.
>>64164323
Are you mildly retarded? Seriously you took a screenshot with your phone, didn't crop it and posted it sideways. Are you trying to piss me off, you piece of shit?
Practical effects are only for nostalgia now
fury road pretty much proves practical effects are still far superior
CGI blood looks retarded, stop motion monsters look stupid. The best way is to have a healthy mix of both and composite them properly. CGI Yoda looked constipated, but that had more to do with the shitty writing than the quality of the effects.
The prequels are terrible in every way.
>>64167973
The Road Warrior was better. That proves practicaler is even more practical than Fury Road practical.
>>64168089
>The Road Warrior was better.
Not in any way, shape or form. Fury Road is by far the most effective Mad Max movie.
>>64167973
Fury Road had a ton of CGI though
People are missing the point. The real problem is FX taking precedent over story. Having the FX be practical doesn't address the problem.
>>64160682
The one on the left looks like a cartoon, the one on the right looks like a real object.
>>64168133
>effective
Feel free to elaborate.
>>64168178
>Having the FX be practical doesn't address the problem.
In a way it does, the creatures, explosions and effects you're dealing with, you're filming on set. Everything is happening right in front of you.
With CGI the effects are added in post after some render farm is done with them, designed by a team off set. Having control of everything on set shows a director's mettle, directing a portion of the movie and then having a different team make the other part causes a severe disconnect.
>>64168178
one way TFA is getting a pass on its inexcusable shit is because of the various psychological safeguards immunizing it against criticism. being different to the prequels is one of the key aspects of that.
honestly if Lucas hadn't been such a sperg in the first place we could have probably had 2 great trilogies of films, it's primarily his fault that now the moneymen are in charge and it is going to be almost impossible for an actually good Star Wars film to ever be made.
>>64168285
>In a way it does
not in a way that fixes terrible writing and copying of ideas from earlier movies. it's a smokescreen.
>>64168262
When the director finally has the means to realize the script he wanted to adapt and isn't constrained by budgetary or technological burdens. Most of the time it results in detached products but with fury road it blended in perfectly. It also is the better film of the 4.
>>64160682
Are you seriously trying to claim that the image on the left looks more real than the image on the right? The image on the left looks like a fucking video game. The image on the right looks like.....Yoda.
>>64167437
I'm a native English speaker, and I have no idea what it means. It's used like "signed" at the end of a letter, but I don't know what the "t." stands for. I can't keep up with all these memes.
>>64168285
>In a way it does
No it doesn't. Look at the first Star Trek movie. All practical, but the fx were top heavy and bogged down the rest of the movie.
>>64168381
>No it doesn't.
I'll do the same and disregard the rest of your post.
>>64160682
The real question we should be asking is why the puppet Yoda in TPM looked so fucking awful.
>>64168285
Battlefield Earth were mostly practical effects. You get what I'm saying?
>>64168460
Silicon instead of latex.
>>64168307
>shit is because of the various psychological safeguards immunizing it against criticism
The problem is that what you just posted isn't criticism about the film, it's mental gymnastics trying to justify why people mistakenly liked it. This is why you fail and nobody takes you seriously. If you want to deconstruct the movie itself, you have to talk about the movie, not whatever psychobabble is ailing your brain this week.
>>64161763
Hello reddit
>>64168466
I wrote "in a way", implying that while practical doesn't guarantee a good end result, it gives the director more control over what's going on. Movies directed by a committee rarely end up being good.
If EP2 takes place 20 years before EP5 and Yoda is thousands of years old, what made him go from Jediflips to arthritis practically overnight?
>>64168460
Because Jim Henson is dead.
>>64168615
>Yoda is thousands of years old
He's only 800.
>>64168615
He didn't. The arthritis was scam to get disability benefits. That's why he goes back to his gimp cane after his fight with Dooku.
Why did Lucas fuck up CGI Yoda so badly. He doesn't look like the Yoda.
>>64168691
He didn't model him himself, you know? Leave Jorge alone!
>>64168691
The puppet Yoda in TPM was fucked up more.
>>64164323
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>>64168375
too many memes, senpai
can't keep up with them all
>>64164323
this is the most sophisticated bait ive seen in 2015.
