is he the most important filmmaker of all time?
not even top 1000 if we're being moderately hyperbolic
No.
Maybe Eisenstein.
Probably the most self-important filmmaker of all time, that's for sure.
Truffaut, Bergman, Lucas, Speilberg, Wes Anderson, Tarantino... He might be top 20?
I watched Breathless a few years ago and it didn't strike me. Watched Alphaville a few weeks ago and it really stuck with me. Maybe I should give Breathless another shot. Definitely overrated though.
>>64157981
Google famous directors
>Truffaut
>Bergman
Personal shit opinion
>Lucas (literallywtf)
>Wes Anderson
>QT
>Schpeelberg
>>64157697
Inarritu is a fucking hack youi moron
>>64158771
OP's pic is Alfonso CuarĂ³n, you retard.
>>64157981
>Wes Anderson
>Spielberg
>Tarantino
1/10
>>64157697
>some french faggot which english people cream over since his movies arent in english and they are old as fuck
yeah no
>>64158543
Lucas has been getting lot of boost with faggots thinking prequels were good (all around internet movie communities) with its risky and innovative CGI and video game aesthetics in prequels
>>64157981
Griffith, Ford, Welles, Eisenstein, Melies, and maybe Chaplin come well before any of them except Truffaut and Bergman.
>MUH OLD TIMEYS WERE GOOD BECAUSE THEY WERE DA FORST XD
YEah I'm sure the caravan with the first wheel is better than a fucking Boeing 747 cargo plane or something.
Fucking hipster shits.
>>64159581
Are you the faggot that made the Taxi Driver thread?
>>64159651
No and I didn't even read it. I just don't think you hipsters have any taste and I think you are insecure as fuck liking these old timers just for the sake of them being considered 'high art' or 'classics'
>>64159581
We're talking about importance, not quality. Older directors are more likely to be important because they established the principles of film making.
>>64159705
You cannot upgrade an image. It doesn't work like that.
>>64157697
He did make it easier for entry level cinephiles to understand the filmmaking, especially in regards to the building of a coherent aesthetic work, deconstructing the archaic paradigm of narrative cinema. Some of his films are just about playing with cinematic language (Vivre sa Vie). I just don't know how important his films are for filmmakers today. We are entering in a completely different age for cinema, with newer possibilities and filmic interpretations coming up, added to the need of having to stand up to rival industries like videogames which will inevitably push filmmaking to a radically new direction...but without a doubt, Godard was a very important guy for filmmaking, especially during the 60s-90s period.
>>64159705
Yeah the first fucking wheel was important at the time but it's no longer relevant, it's deprecated, it's been surpassed million times and one.
Why still think it has any sort of meaning unless you aren't historian?
>>64159742
Haha this insecure hipster fuck with no taste calling other people tasteless? Insecure and projecting much?
>>64159821
Kill yourself
>>64159933
>>64159926
>First reply with meme image because he is too insecure to even respond to argument.
>Second one is some insecure tard too
Yeah I got you, fucking tasteless echo chamber faggots
>>64159980
I never had an FB account and never will tho, projecting much? Do you feel aura of superiority when you write 'Eisenstein is my favorite! Because he was first in blablalbalbag'
>>64159238
Why don't you learn French then you ignorant anglo fuck?
t. speak four languages fluently
The films he influenced were better than his own.
>>64160030
I'll try again: Kill yourself
Do you need a drawing?
>>64160133
Why so insecure? First you thought I was here for SW; but I have all that shit filtered, then you have been doing nothing but being a broken record
did your normie mind just explode from the fact someone couldn't give a shit of deprecated movie and its deprecated images that have been surpassed by even the most mediocre youtube movie makers as of today?
>>64159821
>Why still think it has any sort of meaning unless you aren't historian?
Why do you think /v/ still creams itself over super mario and /k/ over the sks or ak-47 ?
>>64160104
holy shit no. Carax is great but he was aping Godard/Ray so fucking hard in the 80s it's kind of embarrassing to watch now.
>>64160199
How about now? Does it work for you?
>>64160030
You haven't made a response to the claim "You cannot upgrade a picture". Maybe I wasn't clear: technology does not necessarily make a film better, and that's the only way you're accounting time in your claims. There's another way to approach time that you miss, context. Charles Chaplin, one of the main clowns of cinema in the 20s, created his films from his memory of industrialized London, putting a lot of focus in the proletariat. That memory is far gone now, but his movies remain. From Chaplin's genius, we have quality in comedy and through context we get importance.
>>64159821
>Yeah the first fucking wheel was important at the time but it's no longer relevant,
Wheels are of a huge importance to sour society. Without it we would be lacking in a huge number of ways. The future developments of the wheel are dependent upon the creation of the original one.
We also must also remember that art doesn't improve like technology does, and that some of the greatest artworks are hundreds or even thousands of years old.
>>64159743
What do you mean by this?
>>64157749
>>64159238
>>64159581
>>64159693
>>64159821
>>64160030
>>64160199
>>>/starwars/
Oh, wait. You're already there.
Why can't people be like this guy >>64159757 ?
>>64160404
>Retard that can't open a picture because he is posting from his iPhone which can't open up a 2560x1440 picture
I have all of that shit pre-filtered :v)
>>64160359
Wheels are but the first wheel is DEPRECATED AND MEANINGLESS outside historical investigation
>>64160496
I addressed that:
>The future developments of the wheel are dependent upon the creation of the original one.
>>64159757
>filmic
>>64160546
Yes you are a historian, I am not. Nobody studies the first wheel because it's meaningless
>>64160607
More projecting from insecure anon?
>>64160496
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>>64160359
See above. I must add that art is a reflection of humanity, which does not change essentialy over time.
>>64160687
Ahaha there the pleb goes telling people on typical /reddit9k) fashion in meme writing to off 'emselves
Epic post
this thread is a pretty good example of this board's taste, general sensibilities and knowledge when it comes to film
>>64160758
K-i-l-l Y-o-u-r-s-e-l-f
>>64160791
>The TRUFFAUT THE GODARD LIST GOES ON patreon can only memepost like >>64160797
>>64160687
Yeah these hipsterkeks got btfo today.
>>64160791
Unfortunately, you can find dozens of these pretty good examples in the catalogue at literally any time. We're fukked.
>>64160834
Kill yourself, mate.
>>64160834
Man, fuck off. The wheel analogy is a fallacy and nobody is stupid enough to not see it when formuled.
>OP asks if Godard is the most important director of all time
>some autistic child who doesn't understand important ≠best derails the thread with his "ALL OLD STUFF IS BAD" bullshit
This board is beyond redemption.
>>64161068
>>64161000
>Still replying.
Look how retarded the Truffaut list goes on.. patreon is
You fuckers are just as fucking stupid as the average redditor here
>>64158543
>Schpeelberg
>>64161186
You're the redditor. You're the tumblrino. You're the cancer. You're the philistine. You're the autist.
Copying the other guy, best advice: kill yourself.
>>64161186
Please, respond with some kind of argument. At least defend the wheel analogy in comparison to art.
>>64161298
>>64161257
>STILL replied
GODDAMN it's like fish in a barrel
>>64161370
KILL
YOURSELF
>>64161298
I think that one is just a comment about bait.
>>64161370
(You)
BASED GODARD
Making plebs mad since the 50's
>mfw Godard is losing his mind by trying 3D and "experimental" techniques just like Chris Marker fucked around with Windows Movie Maker and YouTube near the end of his life
>>64161816
you moron, marker had been experimenting with consumer-grade computer programs since the eighties which is why Set Theory exists and the "experimental techniques" of godard have been present in his films since week-end. go watch hail mary and it's incredible how similar it is to adieu au langage.
fucking dumbfuck facebook "cinephiles"
>>64162318
>which is why Set Theory exists
>>64162425
yes i know the only marker films you've watched are sans soleil and jetee.
>>64162460
How is Theory of Sets in any way similar to the amateur shit he put on YouTube?
>>64162538
because he made it using hyperstudio, aka the kidpix suite
http://www.mackiev.com/hyperstudio/
>>64161816
>>64162318
>>64162538
Indeed, do you consider Marker was degradating, putting himself to ridicule with that kind of Youtube content?
>>64162589
But Hitchcock very large influence is restricted to genre filmmaking. Godard's is bigger. As is Griffith's and Eisenstein's.
>>64162617
la jetee is a fucking slideshow
>>64162617
marker was a 90 year old experimenting with technology. how can anyone ridicule him for that? unless you're manoel de oliveira most 90 year olds have given up filmmaking entirely. it's great that he was still active at 90 and not just that but exploring the new limits of what film could be. marker has always said that his films are just home movies.
>On a more matter-of-fact level, I could tell you that the film intended to be, and is nothing more than a home movie. I really think that my main talent has been to find people to pay for my home movies. Were I born rich, I guess I would have made more or less the same films, at least the traveling kind, but nobody would have heard of them except my friends and visitors.
How can you fault a 90 year old filmmaker for messing around with Windows Movie Maker? i'm fairly certain that everyone here has. the only difference is that more people are interested in what he messes around with.
>>64162671
This is false and just because Hitchcock was so focused on suspense people tend to underestimate his influence. Like Griffith for example Hitchcock added new communication tooks to the language if cinema in general, not just to horror or thriller genres.
NxNW has a lot of examples.
>>64162891
and BTW, being able to see that marker was still active and spirited at 90 is vastly better than seeing someone like rivette who currently has completely withdrawn from public life because of dementia.
>>64162671
>But Hitchcock very large influence is restricted to genre filmmaking.
Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've read in this thread and it's full of really dumb shit.
>>64162891
>>64162948
>>64162863
Lots of good points. I will take this position from now on. To be trying at a very decaying age is a thing of merit in itself, most of all for someone who didn't have anything to prove anymore.
And hearing of Rivette's state is always sad.
>all these posts
>no Terry Gilliam or Mel Brooks
Why so serious /tv/?
>>64157697
the most "important" technically is DW Griffith. No question.
I would say:
Hitchcock
Kurosawa
Ozu
Goddard
Spielberg
>>64163189
Why?
>>64163222
considering how long everyone but japan ignored ozu, how is he important?
Don't mind me guys
>>64163376
Based Welles is the example of how to not have a career
>>64163275
I would say he perfected the family based drama in a way that nobody else really has.
Lots of big guys, but, focusing on modern times, in the last 20 years who is the most influential figure in cinema: Tarantino? Haneke? Fincher?
>>64163376
I won't.
>>64163501
The Wachowskis
>>64163501
Haneke? Influential? Lmaoooo
>>64163501
Hollywood: Tarantino, Coens, Spielberg
Art house: Bela Tarr, Hou Hsiao-Hsien, Tsai Ming-Liang
American "Indie": Tarantino, Soderbergh
>>64163501
Wong Kar Wai, Tarantino as well.
>>64163584
The aesthetics of 'cold' has been very strong in the european scene for a good time.
>>64163639
Coens? Thef uck they've influenced fuck all outside some indie trash movements.
>>64163501
Spieelberg
What do you guys think about Bresson?
I find his films overwhelmingly tedious while his writings on the subject remain in my memory as great thought provoking speculative epigrams, so I'm left with the feeling that I am missing out on something powerful behind the aesthetic.
Is there any other entry to his filmography that is not Mouchette?
>>64163501
Wachowki former-brothers-now-sisters had huge,massive influence on action movies with Matrix trilogy and to culture in general
![00800.mpls_snapshot_00.46.55_[2015.12.10_16.43.50].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sivjn05.jpg "00800.mpls_snapshot_00.46.55_[2015.12.10_16.43.50].jpg")
What do you guys think about Fincher?
He has a knack for making cold looking films with amazing visuals. I dont even care what the characters do or say in his movies, I just test drive my new monitors or TVs with his Gone Girl or Girl w Dragon Tattoo.
>>64163685
>Coens? Thef uck they've influenced fuck all outside some indie trash movements.
indie trash is still movies
and big lebowski / fargo / no country for old men /barton fink are very much reflected in hollywood
>>64163708
I didn't know people recommended Mouchette as an entry-point. That's a bad choice. If you're not already an 'expert' on more difficult cinema, Pickpocket is the best choice for Bresson.
And I couldn't disagree enough with >overwhelmingly tedious. Have you seen A Man Escaped? Masterpiece and tense as few tensions have ever been tense in the history of film.
>>64163855
I honestly can't see how they've had bigger impact than Wachowki sisters or Spielberg or Tarantino or even Bay
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>>64163788
The images are just so pretty to look at.
![Nostalghia.1983.1080p.BluRay.x264-PublicHD.mkv_snapshot_00.19.06_[2015.12.27_23.52.45].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/003KqAU.jpg "Nostalghia.1983.1080p.BluRay.x264-PublicHD.mkv_snapshot_00.19.06_[2015.12.27_23.52.45].jpg")
Why wasn't Tarktard more influential
>>64163911
well I included Spielberg and Tarantino in my response
>>64163788
I think he is a filmmaker king that rarely pushes himself farther from his comfort zone, which sucks because when he does he creates unbeatable pop-cinema masterpieces.
I'm hyped he is working on a new series for Netflix more on his vein and bummed by his uninvolvement on the sequel or whatever the fuck they are doing with The Girl with the Dragon Tatoo, I read somewhere he was working the script with the writer for Seven. Fuck Sony.
debatable whether hes more important than hawks ford welles hitchcock
probably more important to many filmmakers than they are
>>64163911
The Coens only got moderately big after No Country for Old Men and True Grit
![Social Network.2010.BD.Remux.1080p.h264.Rus.Eng.2xCommentary.mkv_snapshot_01.44.54_[2015.12.27_23.58.16].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wqD9BnI.jpg "Social Network.2010.BD.Remux.1080p.h264.Rus.Eng.2xCommentary.mkv_snapshot_01.44.54_[2015.12.27_23.58.16].jpg")
>>64164082
I just hope he does more cold-feeling stuff like his latest movies. The cinematography and his visual sense is so goddamn good when he wants things to feel distant and cold.
Good cinematographer he is, I guess I'm trying to say that?
>>64163644
Who's Tarkovsky?
>>64164269
Some Russian-pretend-not-Russian fuckwith that had little to no impact in culture.
>>64164169
Nah, they were mainstream at least since Fargo. They happened to EXPLODE with No Country.
>>64164269
I would think that someone still making films is more influential than the guy who is dead since the 80's.
>>64163875
Damn you are right anon, somehow having seen Pickpocket slipped my mind completely, great film. Its just that Mouchette stuck out for making such a strong sad impression on me, I'm really looking forward to watching A Man Escaped now.
Is there any other I should pay attention to?
![00800.mpls_snapshot_02.15.10_[2015.12.28_00.04.39].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mao4Mlo.jpg "00800.mpls_snapshot_02.15.10_[2015.12.28_00.04.39].jpg")
>>64164247
Fucking hnng at everything involving grey and blue in Gone Girl
>>64157697
He holds as much importance as Baudrillard, Deleuze, Foucault, Derrida etc.
All you need to do is wait for /tv/ Sokal to come along.
>>64164356
Well, go for all of it if you can, mate. It's a short filmography compared with other great directors, and one in which you can clearly see the evolution of a very particular style film after film.
>>64164247
He sure is great at staging, desu I don't know if he has a recurrent cinematographer, maybe you should keep an eye on that name. Myself I really like how his films are so tightly paced, he is just really great at his craft, also the soundtracks for his films are among the best.
>>64159520
I'd also add Kurosawa, Hitchcock, maybe Herzog if I'm drunk.
Everyone in this thread is going full pleb as hard as they can.
>>64164560
He isn't working under the name of cinematographer, but I guess I wanted to describe what is exactly that I like of him. All three of his movies that I like look the same with same cold feel to them and same visual sense and I believe Fincher is the connecting dot in this.
Fact: Isolated European directors are not important. Literally 10 people care about Fassbinder u dorks
>>64164605
Come on, it got considerably better than it was one hour ago.
>>64157697
doesn't have shit on Bergman, Bresson, and Tartovsky
>>64164658
Well, I'm happy to be one of those 10!
>>64164544
Great, I will be paying attention to the refinement of his style for sure but will start by watching A Man Escaped tonight. Thanks!
>>64164679
You realize the majority of Bergman's films were essentially filmed plays?
>>64163708
>>64163875
>>64164356
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>>64164828
What a nice thing. And with a happy ending too. Why can't /tv/ be more like it?
![00800.mpls_snapshot_02.15.45_[2015.12.09_17.45.19].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZXf4V1g.jpg "00800.mpls_snapshot_02.15.45_[2015.12.09_17.45.19].jpg")
>>64164958
Go to eight chan's film tho it's pretty slow post frequency board
>>64164828
good choice, enjoy
>>64164605
good adds
>>64157697
That honor goes to Tartovsky without a doubt
>>64164883
I wouldn't go so far as saying "essentially" he did have a strong formal sense: amazing -not in your face- camerawork, domain over contrast, light and colour, I don't know I find his skills really integral great actor director, great writer as well for sure among the best.
