Defend this Star wars babies. Star Trek will forever be the superior sci-fi franchise. Also JJ abrams movies aren't Star Trek so don't bring them up.
>>64121201
FROM THE DIRECTOR THAT BROUGHT YOU THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS
>>64121201
Star Trek > Star Wars
>>64121201
They do have shields
You are a retard
They also have Ion shots to penetrate other shields.
>Star Trek is more scientifically accurate
Everyone knows it, even the die-hard SW fans. What's your point.
>>64121264
no they dont
they have the force
faggot
LOL STAR WARS IS FOR FAGS
besides star wars shields are paper thin in comparison
>>64121201
>Imperial Star Destroyers don't have shields
Now let's discuss the several hundred TIE bombers and fighters that will be released from said Star Destroyer before the battle even engages shall we? How many supporting craft does the Enterprise have?
Why can't we all just love both? ;_;
>>64121600
Phasers pinpoint targeting would one shot any tiefighters easily not to mention tiefighter lasers wouldn't even tickle a galaxy class starship let alone a sovereign class.
>>64121600
Best case scenario the Star Destroyer gets blown up and the enterprise gets its shit pushed in by a bee hive of TIE fighters.
>>64121640
Fuck off I bet you like Sony and Nintendo both too.
>>64121483
>No they dont have shields!
>Akktually they do but they're not as gud!
>>64121483
>besides star wars shields are paper thin in comparison
This is the sort of shit that go us Starkiller Base. JJ wanted the baddest base with the biggest shields instead of an actual good movie with a plot.
I want manchildren to go and stay go
>>64121483
>no they dont
>besides star wars shields are paper thin
Pick one fucker.
And they dont use the force either, that doesnt make a goddamn bit of sense.
>>64121600
Star Trek has computer controlled targeting.
>>64121201
Star Wars is just space adventure shit.
Star Trek is more about the cool science shit.
>>64121718
If you consider what Yoda said about Force having no considiration about weight, you should actually be able to use it against other ships
>>64121201
>photon torpedo directly onto their bridge
educate me, trek friends. would this vaporize the shit out of every living thing in its blast radius? that smug look suggest that it would.
>>64121802
You have to be force sensitive to use the force. Your argument makes no sense, and Im done arguing.
>>64121201
>Star trek is in the future
>Star wars is in the past
Imagine the tech the star wars universe would have it took place during star trek times.
>>64121201
>Star Destroyers can literally orbitally bombard planets until nothing is alive.
>Star Destroyers can cross the galaxy in days, maybe weeks.
>Starfleet's vessels take months to cross one quarter of the galaxy.
Even if Star Trek ships would win, their planets would be devastated long before they could rush to their defense. The Empire would literally rule their galaxy through the tactics the Rebel Alliance had to resort to (guerilla tactics.)
>>64121855
So what is your fucking point you retard?
That there are no force users on a Star Destroyer?
>>64121839
Yeah pretty much
>star wars is science fiction
when will this meme die
>>64121856
Not exactly taking sides here but Star Trek takes place a few hundred years into the future, which implies humans went from cell phones to starships, teleportation, and replicators in a few centuries.
Meanwhile in Star Wars, technology in the Old Republic is literally almost identical to technology in the Galactic Civil War, except for the HoloNet which is pretty technologically marvelous to be fair.
So essentially if it's a tech arms race, Star Wars may never catch up.
>>64121950
Star Wars has legit magic. Star Trek only has sufficiently advanced technology.
>all the fucking nerds in this thread
more pussy for me
>>64122029
The only advantage the Force has on Star Trek is the ability to mind control people, and there's tons of ways to affect that too. Put Data in charge of capturing the Jedi and trapping them in a transport buffer, for example.
Star Trek also abuses the shit out of time travel on a routine.
Again not taking sides but don't act like name-dropping the Force wins the argument.
FAST
AND
FURIOUS
>>64121201
>why didn't they make ships in franchise A that can stand up to ships in franchise B
You're all fucking autistic, kill yourselves
>>64121201
I CANT STAND IT
>>64121201
Star Trek is the superior Sci-Fi franchise.
Star Wars is the superior Fantasy franchise.
>>64122213
Who is more autistic, the autist who posted the thread or the autist who replied to him?
Aerospace engineer / autist here.
Saying Star Trek is more scientifically accurate than Star Wars is like saying 300 is more historically accurate than the bible. Technically you're right but that doesn't make it fucking accurate at all.
Large scale space battles are completely impossible and implausible. Hell small scale too. Not just because you can't go past the speed of light either. In fact, even with a magic story solution where faster than light travel is possible, that only further renders space battle impossible/pointless.
You can't do star wars dogfighting in space, spaceships don't turn like jets. In episode 4 the x-wings should be able to turn the ship 180 degrees towards their back while still going forward at full speed and just shoot the tie fighters off their own ass. Further, no one should ever be able to dodge enemy lasers in space because you can't do fast maneuvering without an atmosphere and wings to support you. You would be fighting your own momentum to turn the ship.
Why would civilizations with the ability to power faster than light engines be fighting? What the fuck could they possibly war over with an essentially endless supply of planets and resources at their disposal?
As far as I understand, Star Trek actually has FtL speed (star wars uses some kind of interdimensional travel) meaning every ship can essentially double as a doomsday device by blasting through planets and stars at warp speed, ignoring all the impossible rulebreaking of FtL in itself
>>64122270
I ask myself that every time I post on 4chan.
I'm at least confident in the fact that I won't ever question why two separate properties didn't write in space ships to counter the ones in the other.
>>64122124
The Force is an omnipotent entity beyond even the Star Trek V faggot, Trelane, and/or Q. Sorry, but Data can't defeat God.
lmaooo trekkies on suicide watch
>>64122325
>the Force can kill one capital ship in the time a single Borg cube can wipe out 40
come now
>>64122325
>implying they cant just reverse the tachyon flow in the deflector array to collapse the force's power on local space
>>64122442
You're forgetting about the midi-chlorians
>>64122325
>Data can't defeat God
Q can
>>64121690
>>64121718
>they dont understand sarcasm
thats the sure sign of autism
>>64121235
AND THE CO WRITER OF SHAUN OF THE DEAD!
>>64121797
... uh star trek is literally an adventure show where they travel and get into new situations
star wars is just shit.... one movie (it should have just been ANH like lucas had intended and not more shit ass fucking star wars faggot shit) that was deformed into a franchise by money grabbing jews who wanted to sell shit
>>64121868
star wars shits travel at the speed of light which is a quantum impossibility, everything about star wars screams "little children's show" while star trek stays grounded in adult themes and scientific accuracy
Ships in Star Wars have shields. And how do Star Trek ships having shield make them impervious to lazers? How is it any different from a phaser?
>>64122496
They are still physical things, following the laws of physics. Just like anything else this can be affected by other physical things.
>>64122823
>there's literally a recurring story arc in Star Trek where Wesley Crusher learns how to manipulate reality with his mind
YEAH REALLY GROUNDED IN SCIENTIFIC ACCURACY THERE BUDDY
>>64121600
Yes good goy, now let's discuss how a space station the size of a planet had maybe a few dozen tie fighters defending it.
>>64122905
dude star wars has ghosts so whats your point?
>>64122823
>Q
>grounded in scientific accuracy
By the Nagus
>>64123036
THERE'S LITERALLY AN EPISODE WHERE BEVERLY CRUSHER IS BEING RAPED BY A GHOST.
>there are people who will actually defend SW
This is a universe in which the most common weapon is a gun that shoots at less than half the speed of any gun currently in operation.
Meanwhile Star Trek has weapons that fire at light speed.
>>64123074
shit i better consult the orbs
>>64123084
phasers take time to reach their target too
There were never any true laser beams (come to think of it you wouldn't even see the beam in a space battle)
>>64123084
Captain Faggot/Picard would have tried to negotiate with Vader at Cloud City and gotten laughed at, Han shot on sight.
Star Wars: 1
Star Trek: 0
>>64122292
That's a very reasonable approach. Thank you for the interesting read.
>>64121201
>Star Destroyers, and almost every single ship in the SW universe have shields
>Their lasers aren't actually traditional lasers, because George Lucas is a dumb fuck
>The output of a shitty Tie Fighter's main weapon is stronger than the combined weaponry of every single thing on even the Enterprise-J
>The shield capacity of a Star Destroyer is so great, that the entire of Star Fleet combined wouldn't be able to actually bring the shields of one of them down
If you don't believe me, Star Trek wiki vs Wookiepedia that shit. I personally think it's fucking retarded for Star Wars to throw such exaggerated figures out there, but then again they have had 50,000 years of technological development over the Federation races.
>Yfw the Millennium Falcon could take out the entirety of Star Fleet, and it's just a shitty transport vessel
Can we do Star Trek vs Lord of the Rings next?
>>64123233
Can you be a dear and specifically source the entries that prove a TIE fighter has greater fire power than the enterprise, given that the Empire's main source of material seems to be paper mache?
>>64123258
Tom Bombadil/Q crossover when
>>64123084
There are probably advantages to blasters, and slugthrowers (as in, ballistic guns like irl) do exist, they're just not popular and super cheap.
For one I think blasters are probably more instantly lethal, they're probably also much cheaper to arm, lighter, have lighter ammunition, the noise they make probably doesn't carry as far, they're probably easier to hit a target with, they're more intimidating because you can actually see them flying at you so they're probably better for suppression, they don't ricochet all over, they will actually burn through armor and shit, they can have their power toned down to be nonlethal, they can be fired continuously, they don't seem to ever jam, they don't seem to require much maintenance (but I could be wrong), they still fire fast enough to hit personnel and can be fired with targeting computers to compensate for their projectile speed in long range combat, there's probably some I'm missing too.
>>64121235
B T F O
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>>64123233
>a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away
Star Wars science is thousands of years behind the Federation, hence why they haven't even mastered teleportation of matter.
>>64123281
Not him but you're about to get fucked up because I've actually seen these stats, I remember it being proven the Slave-1 is more effective than the Enterprise in speed, shield output, and firepower.
Better get the fuck out dude before this guy wrecks you, final chance.
STARGATE HAS THE BEST AND MOST AWESOME SPACE BATTLES BETWEEN CAPITAL SHIPS
deal with it.
>>64121201
Ships in Star Wars can cross the galaxy in a matter of weeks/months.
In Star Trek it would take hundreds or thousands of years.
>>64123365
I'm not arguing with him though, I'm just interested. I'd be happy to see the proof, as I find the claims a little unbelievable. Even if TIE's have greater firepower than the Enterprise, what's to stop the Enterprise beaming the pilots out of their ships?
Can someone post the stat of the Slave I compared to the most advanced Enterprise?
>>64123361
>he hasn't head of the Aing-tii
Guys we've been through this a million times. Star Wars isn't sci-fi, it's fantasy in space
>>64122292
please write a bit on why Legend of galactic heroes is unrealistic too
>>64123468
>fantasy
>in space
pick one
>>64123258
>>64121235
>you will witness captain kirk jumping intergalactic bridges while drinking corona.
Both went to shit when they took hold of them
>>64123490
All planets are in space you dumb fuck. All fantasies take place in space.
>>64123281
Some autist wrote an essay on it in the link below, complete with citations.
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html
>Star Wars: Acclamator troop transport
>Light guns: 300 million GW (6 megatons per shot, 24 guns, assume 1 shot every 2 seconds for time-averaged power output rather than peak output)
>Heavy guns: 2.4 million megatons (200 gigatons per shot from each turret, 12 turrets)
>Shield heat dissipation: 70 trillion GW peak
>Reactor power: 200 trillion GW max
>Star Trek: Enterprise-D
>Main phasers: 3.6 GW (5.1 MW per emitter, 200 emitters in the main phaser array, 2 full-sized saucer arrays and 3 smaller roughly half-size arrays on the stardrive section, p.123). Note that phasers appear to have a chain-reaction effect so their raw power output may be deceptively low.
>Photon torpedoes: 64 megatons max theoretical (based on 1.5 kg antimatter payload, p.129)
>Shield heat dissipation: 3311 GW peak (473 GW per generator x 7 generators, p.138)
Reactor power: ~4 billion GW at max warp 9.6 (scaled from the warp power chart on p.55 which uses units of joules for power; we assume this is a simple mistake). From the chart, their fuel supply for 7 years of warp 6 cruising would be roughly 2E23 J (enough to run an Acclamator's reactor at full power for just 1 second).
>>64123397
could a Daedalus class-ship full upgrades plus the output from a ZPM beat an star wars or star trek vessel?
>>64123479
This isn't the anime board motherfucker.
>>>one Y-wing took down the largest imperial starship
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW_hGOFukMQ
>>64123520
Space is on planets now? What the heck are you talking about? Are you challenged?
>>64123521
This
>>64123432
Presumably the fact that in Star Trek, you can't beam through shields unless you're O'Brien, and that Star Wars vessels have stronger shields.
>>64123521
fucking Lucas he went the fanfiction route
>i'm gonna make the strongest everything
i mean i understand him, if i made a series about anything i would put the figures on the retarded high levels so if anyone compares my series against any other they will always lose.
>>64123361
>Earth faces an apocalypse, humans die out
>1 million years later a new race develops on the planet
>They get to the copper age
>"We are so much more advanced than our pre-cursors. They were millions of years behind us!"
>>64123605
this is a 12 year old's logic
>>64123479
Ain't that guy bro, but.
>Galaxy shaped like two opposing horseshoes.
>can't get past the narrow bottom because it's ruled by a seperate planet.
>can't get past the narrow top because of an invulnerable deathstar.
>Space battles take place over days with thousands of ships casually engaging in line combat and then dying.
>The real battle takes place in formations of fleet armadas. Admirals furrowing their brows until they figure out to make a half circle formation. Which would technically reduce fire output by a significant amount.
None of which makes any sense because space is three dimensional.
>>64123635
12 year old logic or not thats what lucas did.
>Travel
Star Wars
>Speed: travel from galactic core systems to outer rim systems ("halfway across the galaxy" as Amidala put it) is shown repeatedly in ANH, TPM, and AOTC. It is invariably same-day traffic, typically a few hours.
Star Trek
>Voyager took 7 years to crawl across part of one quadrant of the galaxy, even with repeated assists from alien races, stolen technology, and even the occasional shove from a godlike being. Not hours ... years.
>GUYZ, STAR TREK CAN DEFEAT STAR WARS
>JUST BEAM PHOTON TORPEDOS!
Reminder that you can't beat an entire Mary Sue franchise.
>>64123537
Yep. When the shields were down and he hit the command bridge. Unfortunate series of events for the Executor.
>>64123537
That's an A-wing.
>>64123896
>>64123433
>>64123365
Fuck yeah
>>64123595
>Presumably the fact that in Star Trek, you can't beam through shields unless you're O'Brien
TIE fighters don't have shields
>tfw the Rebels trounce the Federation because TIEs are vulnerable to having their pilots beamed away but X-Wings aren't
>>64121201
>http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/
Treknerds BTFO
>>64121783
So does Star Wars
>>64124002
Some TIE fighters do, actually, just not the standard ones. If they were facing Federation beaming tactics I'm sure they'd stop using the shieldless fighters.
>>64123605
Lucas had nothing to do with these figures.
>Star Trek bestest because muh powerful shields and beams
>Show prove of SW having shields and plasma, not laser
>Star Trek bestest because more powerful shields and beams
>Show numbers proving SW wins over ST
>Star Trek bestest because muh numbers are more realistic
Star Trek always wins
>>64123713
You just happen to have caught me while making First Contact webms.
That tiny blur could be anything.
>>64124671
sorry this is only 720p
>>64124658
Star Trek wins arguments even when they're wrong because Star Trek is all about using words to make problems go away, whether through diplomacy or technobabble
>>64124671
>>64124713
its gotta be the falcon no fed ship looks like that.
>>64123361
>hence why they haven't even mastered teleportation of matter.
Because teleportation will never be possible thanks to Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.
>>64124893
Except the Defiant from a distance looks almost exactly like that.
>>64124781
Star Trek BTFO
>>64124933
That's spooky...
>>64124933
This. Also phlogiston.
>>64124933
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation
>>64121201
...But I enjoy both franchises, can we just leave it at that and stop fighting?
>>64122574
Sarcasm is incredibly difficult to discern through text alone
That's what "/s" and images are to be used for
>>64124949
maybe if your blind i guess.
>>64121201
>implying Picard wouldn't try to solve this situation diplomatically
>>64125082
>/s
Fuck off back to reddit
>>64123521
>Acclamator troop transport
Those numbers are retarded as fuck. 200 gigatons per shot? It would be able to vaporize a small country with 1-2 shots.
>>64124235
>he switched off his targeting computer
Yeah reliable star wars computers.
>>64121201
I've never watched Star Trek. I'm a huge Star Wars fan. Star Trek is the superior sci-fi franchise for the simple fact that (at least from what I've read and heard) Star Trek is ACTUAL science fiction. Star Wars is space fantasy.
>>64125165
How fucking awesome would that be? Seeing picard trying to reason with vader and that wrinkly guy. haha.
>>64123626
dumb cunt
>>64124781
i... i like technobabble
>>64124893
There are some pretty weird looking, never before seen ships in that scene, though.
>>64125285
Would be funnier when Picard learns Vader and Sheev don't do diplomacy and one of them just force chokes picard to get him to shut up.
>>64125491
true. they have been put in random games though.
>>64121201
Star Wars just has a sci-fi setting,it's not about sci-fi. Star Trek is for autistic physicists who obsess over technology
The futuristic elements in Star wars were just a means to create a certain atmosphere
I'm a Trek guy myself, but I don't get the rivalry or why they're even compared.
>episodic philosophical Sci-Fi tv show
>fun, space-opera, adventure movies
Apples and oranges.
>>64122260
Only rational answer.
>>64124671
>the defiant a ship made to fight the borg
>gets its shit slapped
this shit triggers me to no end.
>Captain, there appears to be a dense cloud of some kind of small, letter-shaped ships converging on our position from all directions
>engage point defenses
>we have no point defenses sir, we have a gun that shoots forwards.
>launch fighters in defensive formation then
>we don't have fighters sir, we have about a half dozen of these dinky shuttlecraft that look like shoes
>launch the shoes
>...
>the shoes are dead, sir
And then someone uses the force I guess
Hey guise is Q the force? could Q be a big midichlorian?
>>64125957
The Enterprise-D wasn't exactly a military vessel. I think in DS9 they had point defenses though.
>>64125934
"Tough little ship", kek.
In the original script it got fucking destroyed. Can't have it looking better than the new badass Enterprise now, can we?
>>64125934
>realize sisko just made cannon fodder that cant explore
>>64123490
>fantasy is strictly in medieval settings
t. Retard
>>64123635
SW is a flick for 12 year olds and manchildren. Of course you make the powerlevels maximum. No one would give a single fuck about Superman if he had his original powers. But golden age Supes will live forever in fanboys' minds.
