Yep. All of this.
>Luke whines the entire movie
>Han is such a scumbag that he refuses to help the rebellion until the last second
>Vader's backstory was retarded anyway in PT but its fine for a villain to be good at something considering they're a fucking villain
DUDE MISOGYNY LMAO
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>>64112760
she didnt need no man
>>64112760
Luke:
only talent is being an ace pilot and being born with a connection with the force. Takes two full movie to fully master the force. Has to be saved time and time again (first by obi, then by han).
Han: gets BTFOED in 2 seconds against vader. No force powers.
Vader: Mary Sue villain. But he starts as the villain and not the main character.
Rey: good at all possible skills. Combat, piloting, linguistics, fighting, lightsaber dueling. Gains full mastery of the force and all the force powers with no training at all.
>luke
we literally had training montages of him
>han
A smuggler with a vast past related to these things
>vader
he is a fucking villain and how does everyone like him, what the fuck are you babbling about
>>64112760
You can smell the desperation and cheeto breath coming from those hambeasts.
>image.jpg
sage
>>64112926
The force "trainig" is just belive in the force rey learns it while kylo is trying to mind read her
all that scene in the falcon in anh with luke and obi wasn't about learning to deflect blasters but to learn to feel the force.
the combat skills and the mechanic skills she learned through she's hash life on jakku
the prequeels make people think that you need to take classes in a former school or something
>>64112760
Fuck off back to redddditz
>>64113116
So if you spend your life scavenging parts out of old X-wings and Star Destroyers you instantly know every circuit and bolt in an old freighter?
>>64112926
>>64113003
Don't forget
>both Han and Leia initially cold towards Luke
>Leia initially bitchy towards Han, Obi Wan just wants to pay him and leave
>Jedi concuil is wary of Anakin through pretty much all 3 prequel movies
Yet Finn falls in love from the first sight in Rey, she's instantly liked by Chewie and Han, and Leia gives her a big friendly hug when seeing her for the first time ever.
>>64112760
Confirmed for not having seen the original movies or knowing the definition of Mary sue
>>64113204
That won't stop them from arguing about it, though.
>>64112760
>Luke
everyone dislikes him initially and he gets defeated all the time
>Rey
everyone likes her intiially and she defeats everyone
>>64112926
Luke:
Saves the Rebel Alliance and the Galaxy the first time he ever pilots a real star-fighter in battle.
Rey did what? Beat up some edgy fanboy?
>>64112760
>she's a plucky scavenger living on her wits and a pretty decent pilot
>oh cools so she's sorta han solo
>she's also a jedi with crazy force powers and lightsaber prowess
Bitch please you can't be Luke AND Han. There was always one kid on the playground... always one.
I like how people rush to defend her with logic like "She's strong in the force. That makes her an amazing engineer and fighter and everything." when that dumb logic was what was wrong with the prequels. When you use "DA FORCE" to just wave away entire stretches of plot it just doesn't make for a good movie.
>>64112760
>Luke
>talented young pilot who is strong in the force but still has a long way to go, as evidenced by the fact that he gets his shit cracked and is beaten down by his teacher for being reckless, full of anger and impatient. We see Luke fail and struggle. The story doesn't revolve around "look how great Luke is."
>Han
>Smuggler with a number of talents. Is never portrayed as over powered, just cunning. Han suffers and fails throughout the story as well and is punished for moral failings.
>Vader
>tragic villain. Had talent and potential, but turned to the dark side because he felt powerless and felt like people weren't giving him enough respect. Got his arm chopped off because he was still not skilled enough, and over estimated his own power just to be burnt to a crisp and forced to live in a suit as half a human being for the rest of his life.
A Mary Sue is not just a talented character who may seem to succeed. A Mary Sue is a self-insert that the story revolves around just making feel good and appearing like she's talented at everything and the only reason anyone gets mad at her is cause they're jealous or haven't yet realized how awesome she is.
I find it especially ridiculous to call Anakin a Gary Stu of all the characters. I can sort of understand Han or Luke, but fucking Vader/Anakin? Seriously?
>>64113248
>Saves the Rebel Alliance and the Galaxy the first time he ever pilots a real star-fighter in battle.
With the direct help of Obi-wan and Han Solo.
>>64113267
>when that dumb logic was what was wrong with the prequels
Come now, we all know there were an ocean of problems with the prequels, rather than just one.
>>64113267
The prequels didn't really even do it that often, except for maybe Anakin's podracing skills being due to his high Force sensitivity.
>>64113267
yfw Han even makes a nod to this bullshit in the fucking movie when Finn says he's just gonna use the force to blow up the sheild.
shes a mary-sue but i like her
so why isnt anyone complaining about the black anymore? What the fuck happened? Before the movie came out he was enemy number 1 and now this girl is the target of /tv/'s hate
>ignoring the fact that all of those male characters were flawed human beings who trained to do the shit they did and failed a lot
>>64113267
They're using the force to hand-wave character development, not plot. Because the former is apparently okay, and the latter is ... not?
>>64113296
My point was that making excuses for a nonsensical plot and character motivations was the problem with the prequels. Not JJ's fixation on practical effects which is laughable now after seeing the movie.
Rey managed to master about what it took Luke 2 movies to learn... and he actually was beight taight and learning... Rey just magically learned the ways of force....
>Choosing to ignore the difficulties and mistakes that Luke, Han (and Anakin because he's fucking stupid) make
Are people this retarded that they can't tell what is going on, Luke even fails at the end of Jedi
>>64113338
Turned out to be the only decent character in the movie and got friendzoned hard.
>>64113116
>force "trainig" is just belive in the force
SHE SPECIFICALLY DOES A JEDI MIND TRICK
YOU DON'T INSTINCTIVELY KNOW THE FORCE LETS YOU DO MINOR TELEPATHIC BRAINWASHING
FUCK
>>64113338
It's retards looking for excuses to hate this movie because everybody loves it.
another dork wars thread yawn
>>64113376
Luke never fought anyone who was actually trying to kill him either.
>>64113338
He turned out to be the best character.
>>64113376
What? Ren is not Vader. He's just an apprentice. Defeating him is nothing like defeating Vader.
>>64113421
Vader was never trying to kill luke, at any point. Ren never had any (shown) reason to want to keep rey alive.
>>64113385
Yes Anon. I'm sure there are no stories or legends about what Jedi were capable of.
>>64113338
Finn was the best character in the movie next to Kylo Ren is why. Turns out someone being black or having a vagina isn't enough to complain about a character when you've actually seen the story unfold, there actually need to be story problems. Who woulda thunk?
>>64112926
More importantly, how the fuck was Finn able to use a light saber so proficiently throughout the entire movie? Especially against Kylo Ren, who had the power to just choke him or throw him off a cliff? This movie was completely illogical the entire way through.
>I'm going to continue fighting this whiney bitch and upstart chick with light sabers, rather than force choke both to death or just throw them off the cliff.
>>64113358
The thing is, the prequels used "the Force" as an explanation, but it made sense in context. The Will of the Force bringing people together by what appears to the common mind to be pure chance. Characters possessing certain talents and developing them with greater ease because they are stronger in their ability to tap unconsciously or instinctively into the Force's power. These things make sense within the universe as we know it.
Hand waving Rey's ability to do a Jedi mind trick though when the Original Trilogy and even the prequels portrayed such techniques as something one has to learn to do with some training (we never see Luke do it until ROTJ where it's used to establish he's closer to Obi-Wan's level now) just seems like ignoring the fact that they're trying to make Rey Donut Steel stronger and more naturally talented than Luke and Vader.
>>64113409
Technically true. Vader was ready to blast him in the Death Star trench though.
>>64113385
To be fair, they established ren's mindreading was two-way when rey called him on his fears. So a decent explanation is she picked up a lot of shit from that.
She still had to try three times (and almost ended up raped) before she got it right.
>>64112760
Fuck women. Fuck you cuck.
>>64113338
Rey isn't the one getting blacked so its fine now
>>64113267
The prequels didn't do that though. Anakin being a fantastic pilot and mechanic was separate from him being a Jedi. Obi-Wan was a shit pilot and nobody else I can think of was a great mechanic. The force only came up in that it gave him good "reactions" because he had precog.
Anakin is the only one that you might be able to argue the Mary Sue thing on, if it wasn't for the fact everybody didn't like him like Rey (in fact most characters either viewed him as unstable and arrogant, or as a tool to be used) and he actually didn't beat anyone until the third movie, which is the movie where he becomes the villain, and he still loses at the end.
>>64113474
Vader didn't know it was luke he was about to shoot.
He just knew the force was strong with him.
>>64113440
Except he did? Snoke wanted Rey alive. He fucking told him. Kylo would never defy Snoke. He was talking to her about Dark Side while they were fighting.
And he was beating the crap out of her for 2/3 of the fight. While bleeding the entire time. By the time she starts winning he was tired as fuck and lost a lot of blood.
>>64113472
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you, sir. When you make something "the will of the force" that means you essentially take away all the struggles of the characters and make their decisions null and void. Any kind of device like a prophecy or destiny makes the characters pointless.
>>64113512
I'm just talking about their relative skill levels. Vader had Luke beat without Han.
>>64113499
>Anakin being a fantastic pilot and mechanic was separate from him being a Jedi.
Anakin's force sensitivity was specifically referenced as the reason he was a great pilot and mechanic.
>>64113517
Yea, you're right. Ren also did start bitching out heavily once rey got a lightsaber.
>>64113542
No, it's the reason he can do the Pod Race, because it allows him fantastic reactions. Again, Obi-Wan isn't a good pilot is spite of that, and he also can't just build a protocol droid from scratch.
Anyone got a way to see the Rey vs Kylo battle again?
>>64113443
Finn literally works alongside Kylo Ren and needs to be told "it's true, all of it" with regards to the Sith and the Jedi. He also needs to be told by Han "that's not how the Force works". However, Rey knows what a Jedi Mind Trick is and how to execute it? Okay motherfucker.
>>64113615
You can try buying another ticket and seeing it again.
>>64113542
It allows him the capacity to do that shit in the sense of giving him precog and good hand eye coordination. Other Jedi can't do that shit despite having the force as well. It doesn't just grant you knowledge all all talents that exist.
>>64113453
>More importantly, how the fuck was Finn able to use a light saber so proficiently throughout the entire movie?
IT'S JUST A LASER SWORD
>>64113338
I have a problem with him because he could somehow use a light saber better than anyone who had picked one up their first time, and hold his own against someone like Kylo Ren, who for some reason didn't just crush his trachea and then curb stomp the knocked out Rey. None of it made any sense.
>inb4 he wanted Rey as a mentor!
The rule of two is a Sith concept, which is something Ren is not. If he wanted to be, he wouldn't get caught up in all the bullshit he was in. The movie was honestly shit overall.
>>64113636
>paying 10 bucks to see a mediocre movie just so I can see a scene again
good goy
>>64113643
Good luck swinging around a pole made of plasma (that therefore has zero weight), without hurting yourself.
>>64113338
I admit that his monkey-like face made me think he'd be bad, but he was one of the good points of the movie for me.
>>64113643
He's trained in hand to hand combat despite working in sanitation his entire life and he was only on his first combat deployment a couple days ago? This is why the whole raised from birth thing was dumb.
>>64113598
obi-wan wasn't as force sensitive as anakin.
force sensitivity is basically the reason for anyone being good at anything in the prequels.
>>64113440
Except the part when he wanted to turn her to the dark side.
>>64113663
That was the joke, yes. Thank you for pointing that out.
>>64113679
>that therefore has zero weight)
Fucking filthy casual detected, lightsabers are heavy, don't try to bring science into my space opera you cunt. Trek is that way =====>
>>64113722
> lightsabers are heavy
EU isn't canon anymore :^)
>>64113643
>The equivalent of an infantryman in an army holds his own against someone like Kylo Ren.
Anyone can swing a sword, but then they quickly get their shit wrecked by someone who is trained to use one. Finn is somehow fighting better than Luke did after some training. Makes no sense.
>>64113688
>He's trained in hand to hand combat despite working in sanitation his entire life
>working in sanitation his entire life
He worked sanitation when he was stationed at Starkiller Base, which he was not when the movie began. Did you even watch the thing you dumb fuck?
>>64112809
>well uh well it was retarded anyway so uh it's like this see it's only a political agenda when it's a chick that has retarded writing see
>>64113746
I did watch the movie and it looked to me like the village was his first time in actual combat.
>>64113691
>force sensitivity is basically the reason for anyone being good at anything in the prequels.
Except it's not. It makes you better than other people yes, because it basically makes you on a physical level better than everybody who doesn't have it. It doesn't grant you extra talents or knowledge.
Obi-Wan was one of the most powerful Jedi that exists. He's a shit pilot. He's certainly not a fucking mechanic, and neither are the other Jedi.
>>64113722
Prequels are canon fucktard. Them having weight was just something Lucas told Hamil because he wanted him to use it in both hands and swing it a certain way. He later changed his mind in how he wanted them to swing them. They never had weight, and they certainly don't now.
>>64113734
That's not EU, that's Lucas. Word of god. Again, keep your filthy casual shit away from this discussion or at the very least be inquisitive rather than authoritative because you clearly don't know shit.
>>64113520
>Any kind of device like a prophecy or destiny makes the characters pointless.
>>64112760
If Luke were Rey, he would have beat every Tusken raider, beat both those dudes in the bar, blasted away tons of Stormtroopers, and then grabbed Kenobi's lightsaber with the Force after he dies and seriously wounded Vader in a lightsaber fight.
Instead, Luke gets his ass chumped by a single tusken raider, needs Kenobi to back him in a bar fight with two drunk idiots, runs away from stormtroopers, and then runs from Vader when he kills his mentor.
Rey is a fucking Mary Sue. If you like her, that's fine. Hell, I liked her and I liked the movie. But, yeah, she's a Mary Sue, stop trying to pretend she wasn't one.
>>64113304
>prequels didn't really even do it that often, except for maybe Anakin's podracing skills being due to his hi
Anakin wasn't podracing for the first time either. He says he "has never finished the race before".
>>64113338
I liked Fin. He was actually a relateable character. He wanted out because he was scared, didnt want to for some noble reason.
>>64113338
Because star wars had likable black actors since forever? Besides, this movie has much larger problems than what color some stormtrooper is. Like hyperspace, the map, directing that was more indepence day 2 than star wars, and the complete shitting all over the end of RotJ
hello reddit
>>64113781
>a six year old building a protocol droid and podracer (which is also the best podracer) has nothing to do with force sensitivity
You're stuck trying to defend the prequels, dog. You might just want to bow out.
>>64113788
Can you please explain how it doesn't and not just post reaction images with greentext?
>You are destined to defeat the great evil. It it told in the prophecy you are the chosen one.
>(They defeat the evil after one or two missteps)
>See, I told you so
>>64113787
>that's Lucas. Word of god
You mean the guy who then had them swing them around like nothing because they specifically didn't have weight and that's why only Jedi could use them? Retard.
>>64113787
That explains why lightsabers were weightless in the PT.
>>64113739
>Finn is somehow fighting better than Luke did after some training.
Wrong.
>Luke
Fighting his father who wants to make him an ally.
>Finn
Fighting a guy who has just killed his father and was wounded by a bowcaster that took numerous dudes out. Also, Luke's training was incomplete and the only lightsaber training you saw him complete was getting show in the side in A New Hope. Finn has combat training and got fucked up worse than Luke (aside from not losing his hand).
>>64113654
You could literally say that about every lightsaber battle in Star Wars.
>why didn't maul force choke obi wan to death
>why didn't dooku force choke anakin and obi wan to death instead of wasting his time with a long lightsaber battle
>why didn't obi force push grevious off a cliff instead of fighting him one on one
See what I mean? That whole use the force for everything is stupid and bullshit.
Lucas wanted the lightsabers to look like they were heavy because he wanted them to fight like broadswords. That doesn't mean they were actually massive things. Han solo uses one fairly easily and it doesn't look like it has that much weight to it. He was talking about the aesthetics of the fights.
>>64113771
>it looked to me like the village was his first time in actual combat
It looked to me like he'd had enough of actual combat. Final straw.
>>64113811
>and the complete shitting all over the end of RotJ
You mean yubnub?
>>64113798
This. Judging by how everyone's backgrounds were initially portrayed, Rey and Finn were someone more competent in everything than they should have been, and Kylo Ren was a bigger bumbling dip shit than he should have been.
>>64113867
Maul was trained wrong as a joke.
Dooku was toying with them and probably was under orders not to kill Anakin.
You have me on the Obi-wan vs. Grievous one, though.
>>64113814
Are you retarded? Please show me all the other Jedi who built droid like nothing? Or explain how Obi-Wan wasn't a great pilot if the force apparently just downloads the information directly into your brain?
He was a mechanic that could build a droid at 9 because he was a genius at it and it's literally what he did his entire life as a slave. Did you miss where he worked or something?
You're literally making up headcanon, dog. The force is never said to do what you're saying it does, and your bullshit in contradicted by literally every other character who has force sensitivity.
>Anakin works for Watto
>Watto owns a junk shop and deals in parts from droids and pods
>Makes Anakin race pods and repair junk
>Anakin manages to get some spare parts over time from his job and builds stuff because what the fuck else is he going to do for fun on Tattooine as a slave kid
That's literally all that little fuck had to do since he could walk and talk.
>Max Landis is responsible for the Rey Mary Sue meme that has the internet on fire right now
BASED MAX DOES IT AGAIN
>>64113867
To be fair, all of those are from the PT, and basically everything about the PT is retarded.
>>64113520
>I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you, sir. When you make something "the will of the force" that means you essentially take away all the struggles of the characters and make their decisions null and void.
I was talking about things like Qui Gon coincidentally through some series of accidents appearing to find the Chosen One of Jedi prophecy and understanding that it must have been the Force that brought them together for a purpose, which makes sense in context. These things don't make any of the characters' conscious decisions "null and void" they are intended to develop the Force as an abstract concept within the mythos. As far as Anakin's talent goes, it was only stated that his high force sensitivity gave him quick reflexes and better problem solving skills. You might as well say anyone having any kind of natural talent is null and void if you're gonna cry foul there, especially when the story doesn't spend time just giving Anakin more and more powers and its clear he has weaknesses, whether due to nature or his own bad choices.
>Any kind of device like a prophecy or destiny makes the characters pointless.
It doesn't though, especially with Anakin, where the tragedy is supposed to be that it seems almost inevitable that he's going to fall because of destiny or because he refuses to follow his true destiny and suffers from it or because the Jedi misunderstood a prophecy.
>>64113817
>Good in the end, no matter how hard the road due to the choices of men, will always triumph over evil
>somehow this makes being good or good's victory over evil pointless
>>64113826
>only Jedi could use them
Jedi like General Grievous and Han Solo? Fucking idiots everywhere.
>>64113898
Because everyone (other than sheev) was less force sensitive than anakin.
Another specifically and regularly referenced central plot device of the prequels.
>>64113867
All of those are people with the force fighting people with the force. Finn didn't have the force. he couldn't have resisted anything Ren could do.
>>64113879
No. I mean how han is now a smuggler again, leia is a general, and luke goes awol for 15 years, undoing everything 3 movies worth of character building set up. That the new republic basically dearmed themselves with the first order still in existence is just the shit icing on the cake.
Anakin piloted a fucking naboo starfighter. I think people forget how cartoony is star wars.
>>64113847
Fair points, except that Storm Troopers do not receive light saber training. He somehow picks up a light saber and is wielding it as if he had training with it. Unless we come to find out he somehow received training at some point in his past, it makes no sense.
>>64113867
>why didn't obi force push grevious off a cliff instead of fighting him one on one
This is the nigger who purposefully got sucked out into space so he could walk to the escape pods, force push would be like a minor breeze.
>>64113972
he had R2 tho
>>64113798
This. Liked the movie but they did not do a good job with Rey. Wouldve fixed it by removing the mind trick and then have her use her emotions and anger to beat Ren. She had reasons to be angry. Just saw Han die and Fin get sabered. But no she was able to channel the force and fight like a jedi because reasons. Wouldve been interesting to have her use the darkside.
>>64113972
It was on autopilot. When he got control of it, he crashed it into the hangar. He didn't even shoot down another fighter with it, he just launched some bombs and flew it out of a hangar with the assistance of R2-D2.
He didn't do a 360 noscope on a trained tie pilot with a broken turret.
>>64113915
We have to feel at least the vague, unlikely notion that the good guys might not win. When it's written in stone (sometimes literally) that good will prevail then you can't even pretend the bad guys have a chance.
We've seen it a thousand times already. The character is the chosen one. They say "I can't do it." Then someone says "You can do it. You're the chosen one." Then they say "Oh yeah, I can do it." Then the movie ends. It's just lazy writing.
>>64113982
Yeah isn't that nigga basically set up to be crush proof? Even if you threw him from a great height he would probably just walk it off.
>>64113935
So you have nothing then. Obi-Wan was, again, one of the strongest Jedi, he could equal Anakin in the force at the end of III. They had a scene where they both tried to force push each other to show it. He was not a fantastic pilot or mechanic or anything else other than a good Jedi. Hell, Luke in ANH doesn't know shit about what he's doing when it comes to droids, and he's bullshit force sensitive.
You've literally invented your own headcanon that is not supported by anything and are now claiming it's inarguable. Based on nothing.
>>64114012
>He didn't do a 360 noscope
Woah woah woah. You're forgetting his flawless execution of tactical spinning. That's a good trick.
>>64113981
Really? Because both times Finn used the lightsaber he got his ass kicked 5 ways to sunday. Against TR-8R he gets yolked up swinging wildly before han solo saves his ass.
Against Kylo Ren he gets slashed in the back,stabbed in the shoulder, gets a lucky shot in, and is left to remain unconscious the rest of the movie. Where do you see that as him wielding it better than anybody?
>>64113938
Thank you, anon. This is my point. You can find reasoning it the other battles, but not Finn vs Kylo Ren.
>>64113811
>Because star wars had likable black actors since forever?
but that didn't stop /tv/ from shitting on Boyega for months
>>64113941
Whats funny is all of that logically fits together, but it takes more explanation to fit it together than it does to shitpost. So I guess you win!
Luke never had any training, thus failing spectacularly at training new force-users fucked him up and sent him looking for information on how to train people without them it ending mass murder, which turned into exile once he realized the jedi order had nothing on that short of "get em young, emotions are bad."
Han's primary goal was to get the falcon back, hence the ship hes flying that's specfically for capturing large salvage, and pulling smuggling jobs on the side.
Its not like leia has any family or connections or planets to go home to. What else is she going to do?
The first order was clearly new and unknown. Basically the taliban or al-Qaeda, except without the republic training them.
>>64114133
Because he was ugly and looked out of place for a Star Wars movie.
>>64114151
>looked out of place for a Star Wars movie.
makes no sense
>>64114033
>We have to feel at least the vague, unlikely notion that the good guys might not win. When it's written in stone (sometimes literally) that good will prevail then you can't even pretend the bad guys have a chance.
And that's what we got with the Star Wars saga. Heck, Lucas even purposely made it a little vague whether Anakin was really the Chosen One.
>We've seen it a thousand times already. The character is the chosen one. They say "I can't do it." Then someone says "You can do it. You're the chosen one." Then they say "Oh yeah, I can do it." Then the movie ends. It's just lazy writing.
And that's not what we got with Anakin. The dude is a fucking child murderer and responsible for bringing one of the greatest victories of darkness the galaxy has seen and only redeems himself at the last possible minute.
>>64113919
Han didn't use them to fight. Greivous is a very specific case. Please point me to Finn's robot body and his four lightsabers that he just spins around like a retard hoping to overwhelm his opponent because he can't use them like a jedi or he'd cut himself up.
>>64114164
I bet you think the Kanjiklub look like they belong in a Star Wars movie.
>>64112760
>Luke
Got rekt by the tusken raiders, needed Obi Wan to save him
Nearly got killed by the men in the cantina, needed Obi Wan to save him
Needed Leia and Han to cover his ass constantly during the rescue mission, which ended up being a clusterfuck
Screwed up deflecting blaster bolts while Obi Wan was training him, never actually does that until 2 movies later
Rarely used his lightsaber at all
Needs C3PO to interpret droids for him
Initially annoyed Han and Leia with his naivete and innocence
Needed R2 to save him from being crushed by the trash compactor
Needed Obi Wan to protect him from Vader
Needed Wedge to protect him from a TIE fighter during the trench run
Needed Han to save him from Vader during the trench run
Piloted competently, didn't do anything the other rebel pilots couldn't do (except aim the torpedo)
Used the force once
>Rey
Beat up four guys by herself
Skilled marksman
Skilled mechanic
Knew more about the Millennium Falcon than Han and Chewie, who piloted and repaired it for years
Piloted the Millennium Falcon by herself competently enough to outmaneuver two TIE fighters, even though it required two pilots
Gets kidnapped once, ends up saving herself anyways
Better at using the Force than Kylo, who trained under Luke for years
Instantly knowledgeable about probing minds, telekinesis, and using Jedi mindtricks
Instantly skilled at using a lightsaber
Has super saiyan jedi mode, which no other jedi has ever used in the movies
May have possibly learned all of this at the ripe young age of 4, depending on her backstory
Instantly liked by everyone
Instantly trusted by the Resistance to go on a mission to find Luke, even though they barely knew her
Can speak Droid and Wookie fluently
>>64114168
The force prophecy in actuality did not exist prior to Phantom Menace. The original movies did not operate with that logic.
>>64114042
You're defending the prequels by arguing things that did happen didn't, and things that were never mentioned or hinted at once, did.
Which I admit, is necessary to defend the prequels.
>>64114145
Why would luke not be chasing and trying to stop Kylo?
Why would the not leave Leia and Han together?
Why would they demilitarize the entire republic with an evil empire still out there?
Just to shit on 6 so they could reboot from 4. Fuck you for defending this travesty of a movie.
>>64114131
>Where do you see that as him wielding it better than anybody?
He wielded it better than someone with his level of training, which as far as we know, is absolutely none at all. MAYBE he could have held out as long as he did against TR-8R, but even then, for TR-8R to carry a shield and melee weapon into battle, we can assume he had extensive training with it, unlike Finn.
Realistically, his ass should have been killed within 3 seconds of facing Kylo Ren, injured or not. Even if Kylo Ren didn't just use the force to fuck him up without a fight, which it would make sense for him to because Rey was a bigger priority.
>>64113487
Wow a THREE WHOLE TIMES until she managed to use the FORCE and ALTER SOMEONE'S MIND for the first time ever.
>>64112760
>Luke gets taught some minor dealings of the force, uses it to guide photons with an x-wing (not fight a trained force user in lightsaber combat)
>Han is an established swashbuckler/smuggler - it's his JOB to be an amazing pilot and a good shot
>anakin grew up on tatooine, working with mechanics and talking to star pilots and other Han solo types his entire child hood, raced pods because of his affinity for the force - since he was CONCEIVED by the force.
>Rey grew up a harsh life style, using a metal stick to protect herself daily and scavenging used parts and mechanics. Deconstructing ships and quite literally living in technological wreckage.
None are Mary Sues. This is fucking star wars.
>>64114238
>Why would luke not be chasing and trying to stop Kylo?
ren was being influenced/trained by a legitimate force master, luke had a week of training and some playfighting with his daddy. So he had a choice of finding more information on the force or just getting dominated by snoke.
>Why would they demilitarize the entire republic with an evil empire still out there?
They didn't. First order wasn't considered much of a threat. Proxy war.
There's nothing that actually shits on empire. Why are you so upset?
>>64114332
>None are Mary Sues.
One of these things is not like the others...
>>64114238
aghhh, stop asking questions, anon! Here's a round robot for you. Isn't he cute?
>>64114318
Now you're just bitching for it's own sake.
>>64114201
saved for copypasta
>>64114208
Which is probably why Lucas didn't make it so central an element in the prequels. The prophecy was mainly there to justify why Yoda and the others put up with Anakin despite the feelings that Anakin was a potential danger or something they couldn't get a clear read on. The prequels never really say for certain whether Anakin is actually the Chosen One or whether the Jedi accurately read the prophecy and Lucas probably threw the bit about Darth Plagueis being able to create life to do a bit more to the end of creating the right amount of ambiguity necessary to make this Chosen One element work a little better with the OT where it is never mentioned. You can deny that Anakin is the Chosen One yourself and nothing is taken away from either the prequels or the originals as far as Anakin's fall and redemption are concerned. It leaves things a bit open for different interpretations there.
>>64112760
>people think that a mary sue is defined by what they did and not how they did it
top lel
also we watched all those characters develop into what they became
Rey was just supersaiyan 3 from the start
>>64113116
>The force "trainig" is just belive in the force
Let's just accept that modern Star Wars will never have proper characters again. It's all about spectacle now regardless of how little sense it makes. That's because character development takes away screentime from all the spectacle and its special effects. Better to just make a villain, a mary sue, and a comic relief, then throw them into wild scenes with non-stop action.
Everything was literally over in a couple of days and she ended up being a Jedi prodigy, the owner of the Millenium Falcon, and savior of the universe.
Jesus Christ people think Finn was a good character?
Child soldiers don't fucking get scared and turn good. His entire character is a stupid impossibility
>>64114416
>You can deny the 9 year old who is the only human being who can fly pod racers and has midicholorians higher than Yoda is the chosen one
Are you retarded?
>>64114459
He wasn't a child soldier. He was a child sanitary worker who they promoted to soldier.
>>64114432
also
>darth vader
>a crack shot
literally never even touched a blaster
>>64114459
this, it would have made sense him abandoning the FO if he just volunteered cause he thought he was fighting the good fight or something
but they made them stolen from birth? why? just cause it made the FO more evil...
>>64114475
Hes defending the prequels. That's all you need to know.
>>64114485
>He wasn't a child soldier. He was a child sanitary worker
The ridiculousness of this statement and the fact that this is actually what happened in the movie is astounding.
>>64114291
I would imagine as a storm trooper raised from birth he has battle combat training or else he would never have made it to Jakku. He literally gets tossed around by TR-8R and gets slashed up pretty effortlessly by Ren. Literally Finn swings at him, and Ren just side steps him while swinging his sword around smooth, as if to just toy with him before driving him into a tree and digging his crossguard into his shoulder, knocking the light saber from his hands, and slashing him in the back The pacing sucks but the Finn/Ren fight did not last very long and there was very little sword swinging and it was mostly hack/slashing by both parties.
Was finn slightly overachieving? You could make that argument. But adrenaline and fear of death for himself and Rey (2 massive ball points for Finn's char who wants to run away and save Rey) probably helped him stave off death as long as he did.
Rey on the otherhand was made OP as fuck superwoman demi god force user extraordinaire who has no business doing anything she did in this movie.
>>64114475
> implying shitloads of 9 year olds cant fly pod racers
>>64114497
>literally never even touched a blaster
He did force-grab and catch hans blaster in empire.
>>64114520
that made him a crack shot?
>>64114518
Come on now you faggot. You knew exactly what I meant by that. By the wayIT'S A NEW LAP RECORD
>>64113487
mindreading =/= mind trick
You know what would have been amazing? She reads the stormtroopers mind and starts intimidating/persuading him based on what she is able to gather.
>>64114361
i want to marry BB-8®
>>64114512
Why is the concept of forced child labor ridiculous?
>>64112760
Someone was so mad about the fact that people on the internet call Rey a marry sue, that he made this image.
Was it autism?
>>64114547
... the idea is she didn't only pull ren's fears from the mindreading, and instead, got a lot of experience and snippets that weren't useful in that situation.
Its still crap, but its not just "INSTANTLY NOES 2 MINTRICK"
Who cares about her being Mary Sue, I'm just glad I don't have to sit through two movies until I can see a Jedi in action.
>>64114589
I would rather see no fighting at allin this movie if it was 10/10 story set up for the next one.
No, we get turbo sjw injection and a new hope remake
>>64114582
Bullshit speculation trying to explain the scene.
Explain to me how mindreading and being a resourceful scavenger would not be a vast improvement. Completely eliminates the need of assumptions.
>>64113195
>Leia gives her a big friendly hug when seeing her for the first time ever.
Why the fuck did Leia hug Rey and not Chewie when they returned without Han? All the other stuff that made no sense was when you thought about it after the fact, but this was a flat out WTF moment as it was happening.
>>64112760
The only one with a dumb facial expression is rey.
Why those sluts never act proper is a mystery to me.
DONT FUCKING MAKE GRIMMACES WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO BE HARDCORE, be stoic
>>64114475
You can question whether Anakin's killing Sidious is due to some prophecy or just due to his love for his son and you can question the degree to which the Jedi interpreted the prophecy accurately. And if you watch the prequels, the idea that Anakin is the Chosen One is mostly just Qui Gon's presumption, and one could make the argument that he was wrong. That Anakin' conceived by the midichlorians or not, was more of a curse than a savior. The legend of Plagueis opens one up to the idea that something like Anakin's being conceived by the midichlorians, being "unnatural", doesn't have to be the work of the light side.
Even in that Mortis trilogy part of The Clone Wars, Anakin fucks everything up
>>64114685
It would be bullshit speculation only if rey hadn't called out ren's fears.
So its clearly established to be a two-way thing.
I'm also not sure how the second part of your post is in english.
>>64112760
>2015
>people still don't get what a mary sue character is
>>64114724
its better to just ignore the prequels as a bloated mess designed by an angry resentful autistic hack to dilute or undermine the best scenes and ideas from the OT because those scenes came from people other than him.
>>64114693
They're related, possibly.
>>64114750
Its retarded that it's a two way thing though. Theres no way an untrained person shouldve been able to do that to someone who has been trained in the force.
>>64112760
>I have no idea what a mary sue. is the image
>>64114787
But the chosen one thing, as it was actually handled in the PT, doesn't undermine shit.
>>64114809
Basically everything dark side is established as "double edged." I'm not saying rey actively read ren's mind, I'm saying it happened automatically as a result of ren trying to read someone with more force sensitivity than him.
>>64114554
That they would spend the time and money on raising human beings from birth to have them clean toilets.
>Ren tries to pull Anakin's saber
>Gets out pulled by Rey
Bravo
>>64114848
Except for how they determined he was the chosen one.
Midichlorians.
>size matters not! its your midichlorian count that matters!
>>64114887
A: they were kidnapped, B: someones gotta do it
>>64114899
Hated this
>>64114871
But you can see Rey actively reisting Ren. Dont think it was implied that mind probing is double edged. Why would Sith use a technique that leaves their minds open like that?
>>64114914
Midichlorian count doesn't really matter since Obi-Wan wrecked Anakin's shit in spite of the fact that Anakin technically had more midis. Anakin had the greatest midichlorian count of any Jedi and was still a fucking jobber.
>>64114999
>size matters not! It's the high ground that matters!
>>64113542
Yes. All jedis are good pilots and mechanics. Are you retarded?
>>64113453
I'd love to see a movie written by you m8.
>>64115061
>good
>great
:^)
>>64114501
I liked the prequels, they had some shitty scenes but I loved the battle scenes
>>64112760
>Yep.
Has anyone ever said this who wasn't a complete dick
>>64115059
Obi-Wan always had the high ground when it came everything, including morals.
The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the high ground.
>>64114997
Even poe resisted, kinda.
Why would a person use a weapon that was just as much of a risk to him than his opponent? ren is characterized as being extremely reckless.
>>64115108
That's right, just ignore the shit. Then you're left with battle sequences that have no stakes or relevance to anything. Which means you can ignore those too. Which results in just ignoring the prequels entirely.
>>64115135
But she still read his mnd without training. Im ok with her beating an injured Ren with a lightsaber but I really didnt like how she bested Ren with the force twice and used the mind trick.
>>64115165
The prequels fell short from questionable acting and writing, but the story arcs were actually good.
Tfa had the weakest story, weak acting and terrible action scenes.
How is tfa better other than it's new hype
>>64115317
The story arcs the prequels followed existed before the prequels. As everything of value in the prequels was in the OT.
>>64115420
At least the prequels added to the universe instead of retconning already established facts.
>>64115460
>inb4 muh midichlorians
>>64112760
it makes sense though because luke han and vader are men
>>64115530
Hey thats still adding. Apparently between ep 2 and 7 we've lost the maps to vast portions of the galaxy and now hyperspace is straight magic instead of a carefully plotted route. Fuck JJ
>>64115420
The prequels intention was to expand what was seen in the OT and give the OT more context and for all their faults, they did a pretty good job at that.
TFA only exists by destroying a much more comprehensive lore in order to make room for Disney to create a film to make money back on its financial investment.
>>64113182
Most of the old freighters have the same gear inside, like cars.
you faggots keep saying rey has maximum light saber prowess but i don't think she had anymore grasp of it than finn did.
>>64115606
Im more concerned about how she basically mastered a bunch of force techniques without any training. Like the mind trick and pulling the lightsaber better than Ren.
>>64115601
Yeah, like how a tractor trailer has the same parts as an aircraft carrier. You take apart one, that means you can be shown any panel in the other and know exactly what everything in it does.
>>64115572
>the prequels did a good job
>at anything
:^)
>>64112809
And Rey is hung up on her past and has to learn to leave that place behind and embrace her destiny. It was short and not well developed, but she turned down that job from Han and even told Maz and Finn how she has to go back.
The force stuff wouldn't bug me if they had spent 5 seconds showing her drawing knowledge from Kylo during his failed force invasion.
By defending herself, and Kylo being too blunt against her, she reversed it and gained some knowledge.
>>64113116
>The force "trainig" is just belive in the force rey learns it while kylo is trying to mind read her
Overpowering a much more experienced mind reader is an asspull of the highest order by itself.
>the combat skills and the mechanic skills she learned through she's hash life on jakku
So, being a fucking scavenger in some African butthole can make you a world-class engineer and better fighter than SAS elites. Who could have guessed!
>b-buh big bad prequelses!
The fact even with naturally high powerlevel you were completely no match for a trained and experienced Force user, and that even with a great mentor and a Force ghost hanging over your shoulder you needed to devote considerable time and effort to study in Episodes from IV to VI.
>>64114450
>prefers EU/prequel jedi schools to Empire Strikes Back
>>64115909
>Pretending there is a difference.
>>64112760
>Luke
I may not be able to explain his piloting skills, but even after training with Yoda for weeks(?), he still gets his hand chopped off. It takes a whole 'nother movie to beat Vader.
>Han
Total badass, of course the Princess falls in love with him
>Anakin
Trained from birth, seduced to the Dark Side because he feared Padme would die.
>Rey
Spends her whole life(we know this from her memories) scavenging for trash. Admits to never shooting a blaster before, sure as hell has never touched a lightsaber before, can ID a problem on the Falcon to Han Solo even though he piloted the Falcon for decades.
She's a Mary Sue, a boring, predictable, GURL POWER character.
>>64114792
This is what I'm thinking. But why would Rey have this emotional moment with Leia? Did she even know about her and Han?
Dumb shit writing.
>>64113116
>combat skills
Fighting off multiple men bigger than you really doesn't line up.
>>64114201
>getting this much wrong
It's not like fixing the mistakes would harm your argument at all and I totally agree with it overall. The problem with saying Luke blocked no blasts or Rey knows more about the Falcon than Han because she's such a good mechanic and not because she knew about one part added while Han didn't have it are both incredibly disingenuous.
>>64116023
>I may not be able to explain his piloting skills,
He was bullseye'ing womp rats in his T-16.
>>64116023
>I may not be able to explain his piloting skills, but even after training with Yoda for weeks(?),
More like months at least. The Falcon had to get from Hoth to Bespin without its hyperdrive.
Stay mad you fat fucks, OP's image speaks the truth.
>>64113453
He didn't though. He killed one trooper by stabbing him than immediately got his ass kicked by TR-8R. He was completely on the defensive during his fight with Kylo( who was fucking with him the entire time). He managed to get a lucky hit off and was than disarmed and nearly killed.
>>64114693
She's most likely her aunt. At the end of the novel she's mothering Rey right before she goes off to find Luke, and thinks to herself how natural it felt. Plus it's implied multiple times that Ren already knows who Rey is.
That helmet Rey is wearing in the beginning of the movie has 'Raeh" on it, too. I bet Rey isn't even her real name.
>>64116066
He doesn't though. The only blasts he blocked were from the droid. And yes, Rey knows a shitton of the Millennium Falcon because she magically knows what wires are linked to what door even though she has no blueprints or anything. The fact that you take something as minor as this and assume that it's an argument with a shitload of things wrong is incredibly disingenuous.
>>64114450
Except it's all fucking true.
Luke almost lifted an X-wing on his first time trying telekinesis ever.
And his training with Yoda was running around the woods for a week.
The problem is that the script clearly originally intended for Poe to stick around.
He would have been the one piloting the falcon. I guess they got rid of him because the film became too "busy"?
Source: no normal human would write a script where the first character we meet disappears and then randomly shows up 1 hour later.
If episode 8 explains Ray's super Jedi powers I won't even be mad about 7. As it stands now, it's just sloppy writing
(Same with Kylo Ren losing)
>>64116152
You fags are literally retarded.
Rey was working for Shrek since she was a little kid. She knew what he did to the Falcon. Han did not.
>>64112760
>Luke is a crack shot
Sort of? He's just not as useless as storm troopers but he doesn't make any amazing shots or anything and kills like 1 or 2 troopers in a crowd after Vader kills Ben and that's about it.
>Good pilot
Established early on as his natural talent that was in line with his father and his hobby
>Jedi Knight
Took 3 films to master, used the force one at the end of 4 and with the help of a strong force user
Also: Whiney cunt for the first movie, overconfident that he can handle Vader and gets his ass handed to him in the second and loses Han go Bobba Fett, only becomes a strong character in 6 and even then he succumbs to anger and becomes fairly brutal with a dark streak in him.
>Han Solo crack shot and good pilot
No shit? He's basically a space cowboy of course he'll be good at what he does for a living on a more than daily basis. Him getting the Princess was just a little reward for him finally coming over being a total selfish prick by the end of the 4th movie and during the 5th.
>Vader good at everything
When did he use a blaster ever? Also he's one the bad guy (which power levels are boosted for so the audience gains some tension when our heroes confront them) and two was previously a Jedi Knight who now works directly as the fist of the Empire giving him more than enough experience in space combat, use of the force, and use of a light saber. Why Padme had to be a queen was just lazy "poetic" writing from George.
>Rey
Good at everything she does in the film on practically her first try at it. The best point of comparison would be to Luke, but Luke even in 4 was training on the ship and was learning lessons from Ben while Rey just ignored any lessons she might learn from Han because "she knows already". What can she learn now? Where does she grow?
>>64115420
>As everything of value in the prequels was in the OT.
TFA is not spelled "prequels", anon.
The weakest prequel, AotC, had at least multiple inventive, visually mind-blowing sequences, involving brand-new fantastic landscapes (Coruscant street traffic, Kamino, Geonosis arena, some parts of Geonosis battle, the clone forces rallying for war in the final shots).
TFA has only wreckage of war on not-Tatooine. Everything else is either lifted wholesale from OT or shit.
>>64116299
Han and Chewie literally maintained and added modifications to the Millennium Falcon for years
If it was just a generic ship, like a TIE fighter I could understand Rey possibly knowing about it, but in this context shit makes no sense
>>64116286
>(Same with Kylo Ren losing)
What? He was emotionally unstable even before killing his dad. And then he gets shoot in the gut and keeps bleeding out through the entire fight.
She barely beat a half dead guy.
>>64116368
>Han and Chewie literally maintained and added modifications to the Millennium Falcon for years
And then the alien dude did the same shit but fucked up. It made perfect sense.
>>64113338
The only reason I was worried about Finn was because I heard it was forced diversity from JJ's end which is usually never good, and Attack of the Block was bad imo. I couldn't care less if he was originally written as a black dude and then he did what he did, but I'm done with all these race sensitive loons who think "we need x numbers of y race or we're not diverse!" Instead of just picking the best actor for the role. Finn turned out to be pretty good actually, him and Poe were the best new characters and I'm anxious to see what they do with them.
>>64114238
This.
There was a point where Han mentions that Luke was training the next generation of Jedi when something went wrong. That would have been a more interesting follow up to RotJ than this.
They win the war at the end of RotJ, I wanted to see what happened after the war with this movie, not the same fucking war again.
>>64113598
Are you saying you couldn't build a pc given access to spare parts?
>>64113487
in the deleted scenes, she is raped by the stormtroopers for months while anakins' half anakin half darth vader ghost teaches her the force. It's also in the novelization. I have no idea why they took that part out of the movie
>>64116152
>The only blasts he blocked were from the droid.
And those count. You can't bring up those blasts hitting him as evidence he doesn't have the ability and ignore when he does block them.
>she magically knows what wires are linked to what door
What are you talking about? She tells Han about this piece being added, the compressor. A minutes later when the power is fucking up Han is working on his side of the cockpit, say the electrical systems are fucking up and points Rey at a panel and she says "yeah I can do what you're telling me" then she rips out the added piece. He asks what she did and she says it was just the compressor. Nothing about that scene makes it seem like Rey is better at the Falcon than Han, it's literally only the added piece. Han is in control of the situation giving orders.
I even told you I agree overall faggot, I agree with the argument. How you argue it with dishonest and misrepresented 'facts' is what I take issue with. What you did there was pure George pottery, using the word 'disingenuous' like I did but without any of it's meaning. Calm the fuck down, we agree faggot you're just being shitty about reporting the situations.
>>64116523
She was ripping out fuses making the doors open and close and she knew exactly what was connected to what.
>>64116286
Poe had left the planet before Finn found Rey.
Source: novelization.
>>64113338
Because /tv/ is racist, no not red pilled, not time for that, just racist
>>64116368
She grew up with the Falcon. She spent time learning how parts worked from the Falcon and other ships.
>>64116672
And what's wrong with racism? Everyone is racist.
>>64116152
Rey was basically a slave to the guy who "owned" the Falcon for years. Also in the pre-guide it states Rey spent her free time in a flight simulator. It's like you're purposely finding stupid shit to whine about.
>>64114215
Kek reading through your arguments with that anon I have to say you're a fucking moron. Just leave you underaged faggot
>>64113003
>training montages
we still have 2 more movies to go
>>64116735
Clouds your judgment and the proof are the replies to the post I replied to. There are my sources, where are yours?
>>64112926
He blew up the Death Star after obi wan trained in their downtime. Don't be stupid.
>>64112760
>mfw people are starting to realize how terrible star wars is
>>64116523
>And those count. You can't bring up those blasts hitting him as evidence he doesn't have the ability and ignore when he does block them.
You're really reaching here. Yes, he blocks a few bolts from the training droid. He doesn't actually use this skill in a real situation until Return of the Jedi, though, whereas everything Rey does happens in an actual situation
>>64116652
You mean Han's non-Falcon ship? The one where she pulls the fuse and accidentally releases the monsters? She even says "oops" or something. She closes the door to save Finn at a console. Knowing that pressure doors close on a cargo ship when a fuse goes doesn't seem like crazy obscure knowledge for a star destroyer scavenger to know. Anyway, she very specifically made a mistake with the fuses. She was operating multiple doors open and shut from the fuse box.
>>64116988
Like I said, you're the one that brings up being hit by the bolts. You can't count some of the training droid scene and not the entire thing. I'm happy to just walk away from the whole scene if you are. Really that's my grip with that post anyway, it just includes extra or exaggerated points in with really good, critical and clear points. Just trim that shit back and it makes the entire argument more solid.
>>64114185
TELL THAT TO KANJIKLUB
The characters in Star Wars are poorly crafted and developed. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
>>64112760
>Luke has several lessons from Obi Wan with lightsaber
>fights Vader
>gets his hand cut off, left for dead
>Rey literally picks it up for the first time
>hasn't even turned it on before or ever seen one in her life
>beats a Sith lord previously trained by Luke Skywalker with ease
>>64112760
Mary Sue damage control in full force.
>>64116373
She beat a trained sith. It might make sense realistically (??) but in terms of making a movie it's just bad writing.
The main bad guy has already been defeated, if he returns he will hardly be a threat.
The film was set up in such a way where they could have had Ren beating Ray but she escapes because of the earthquake /chewie shows up . Then the audience will think "oh boy , how will she defeat him next time"
Now they could have Ren turn good in part 8 or something so it's not a big deal, as it stands now...it's just kind of a let down
>>64116669
Yea
It's bad writing. There was no reason to write him out of the movie for most of it.
Even if those first 3 were true, Rey is STILL a Mary Sue.
Rey or Finn In tfa never did anything for themselves unlike Luke or Han in new hope
>>64112760
>with his eyes closed
thats a very, very loose definition of him destroying the death star
>>64117358
>lightsaber and force skills are separate
>playing with a training droid game is several lessons
>>64112760
SHE
IS
A
MARY SUE
>>64112760
why turn out these obviously flawed shitposts when it would be easier for you to just admit that rey is obviously a mary sue
>>64112926
>Gains full mastery of the force and all the force powers with no training at all.
Nice headcannon.
She mindtricked a goon and moved a lightsaber. Luke blew up the deathstar with the force in the first movie. Then pulls off some mad (but not prequel mad) athletics and telepathically contacts Leia in the Empire.
The light side of the force gets stronger with a zen-like mind, hence why Luke and to a lesser extent Rey could do cool shit with it. Kylo blew it because he's stuck between light and dark, unable to effectively utilise it using harmony or raw emotion.
>>64112760
Luke earned and worked for his powers. Also he's the son of the most powerful force user in the story.
Solo isn't force sensitive. Also Hutts don't hire amateurs smugglers.
Vader earned and suffered for his abilities. Also he's the Chosen One.
Rey didn't earned her force powers. They simply, suddenly happen on screen. The most appalling part, and I believe the real problem for fans here, is that they happen conveniently too, in a very predictable way, and always in the direst of times. She's a force virgin when the audience is introduced to her. Yet she's even more stupefying than fucking Joan d'Arc.
So yeah, she's pretty much a Mary Sue
Anyone have the side by side pic of why Rey is a mary sue while Luke isn't? I need it for reasons
>>64113385
Luke was never trained in how to mind trick, yet he does it perfectly in RotJ
Who showed him? Obi-Wan didn't train him how to do it, and Yoda just trained him how to lift rocks and suck green dick. He saw Obi-Wan do it once. So obviously Rey heard about the "Jedi mind trick" as Jabba and Watto called it, and tried it out
We literally watched her learn how to do it
fuck off neckbeard Rey h8rs
>>64112760
>tumblr goes out of its way to complain about misogyny in a fanbase of which it is not a member
What else is new?
>>64120395
She somehow knew about the force allowing you to brainwash other people without having seen or hears about if before.
Luke blew up the death star only because Han prevented darth Vader from shooting him down and obi-wan helped him guide the torpedo into the shaft instead of impacting on the surface.
>>64119572
What's that got to do with OP?
