wingo edition
last christmas - >>64098785
>>64108874
>Guest actors used well
Hardly.
>>64108942
How were they not? They had significant presence in the episode and used for their strongsuit
>>64109087
>significant presence in the episode
They were introduced and quickly forgotten. Underused like the majority of guest actors on the show.
>>64109138
Except King hydroflax was there throughout the whole episode until the final act where he's killed, and what's his face fat guy had at least 5 separate scenes over the course of the episode literally from the very start to the very end where he showed up to speak in his silly voice
What in your opinion would have made them well utilised?
>>64108851
He left that sonic in the library.
>>64109192
a decent plot
>>64108677
>you turned up on my doorstep
>could be considered a figure of speech
He literally showed up at her doorstep though. It was just the doorstep of her space ship.
>>64109226
yeah this bothers me
>>64109306
what if 11 just forgot about river during his time on trenzalore
At least the Singing Towers Restaurant set looked awesome, and had some incredible lighting job.
>>64109226
>it's a huge fucking paradox
the only thing huge is your autism tbqf
>waiting for series 10
Time to catch up on classic, books, audios, and comics.
>>64109346
what
>>64109306
He could have given her a screwdriver from the Cloister matrix thingee on Gallifrey somehow or lost his memory or something happened and she just thought it was the Doctor but it wasn't. River could have given it to herself somehow. There are a million ways Moff could fuck it.
>>64109492
but he already knows that he gave it to her himself and when
river tells him all of that the first time he meets her in the library
So, Series 9 has officially ended.
I guess the song that Murray Gold was talking about wasn't used in any of the episodes.
>>64109528
Yeah, what happened? I remember him saying he did a song with lyrics for S9.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSzGg9e7XD0
>>64109549
what if Clara originally had lyrics?
>>64109346
Why would he forget? He remembered Clara the whole time.
>>64109528
>>64109549
Would the singing tower song not count as a song with lyrics?
>>64109557
From what I remember this interview took place before Moffat had written Hell Bent, and for sure before Murray would be scoring ep 12. I can't think what episode this series would have needed a song with lyrics.
The bigger question is how can the River song hologram thing exist on bad future trenzalore when that river song had met 12 from the good future?
>>64109550
>implied a threesome
when?
>>64109516
>everything River says is always true and accurate
>>64109641
I seem to remember a remark about something like that although I can't remember the exact quote
also river mentioned this episode 'hey remember that time when there were two of you' which might be a callback assuming that there was actually a quote I can't remember referring to the threesome
>>64109654
she was about to die and was realising that the doctor knew how she died from the first time he met her
literally had no reason to lie there
>>64109622
Trenzalore(for River and 11)was after her death in the Library.
Singing Towers is before her going to the library(think of it as a prequel to SitL and FotD)
Excpect River to pop up again at some point though. Just because we have witnessed her death and her 1st adventure with 12, that doesn't mean we've finally got rid of her.
>>64109671
>>64109641
it wasn't really a threesome
She was referencing those S6 minisodes were 11 meets a future 11 and River on her birthday
>no Doctor Who will return in
>>64109714
>that doesn't mean we've finally got rid of her.
>>64109714
I get that part
But in the timeline where 11 was gifted regenerations and 12 exists, Name of the Doctor did not happen - meaning that in the timeline where Name of the Doctor happened (the one where the time lords didn't give regenerations and 11 died on trenzalore), 12 did not exist meaning river never went to the singing towers or got a sonic or any of the stuff that she says in Library
>series 9 getting pruned off torrents
why
>>64109765
SING IT WITH ME NOW
WIBBLY WOBBLY....
>>64109765
Wait, why should the timeline with Trenzalore not exist?
Just because 11 was given more regenerations, that doesn't mean the Doctor is still not going to die on Trenzalore.
>>64109783
Everything is still here.https://rarbg.to/torrents.php?search=Doctor+Who
>>64109898
The decomposing tardis we see on Trenzalore is 11's interior console
When clara and 11 jump into the timeline, neither of them see any future doctors
It would literally be more of a retcon if the doctor eventually does die on trenzalore for good
i wanna fuck cloister!
>>64109941
Sure, but time can be rewritten and the future has yet to happen.
We can talk about something that happened in the show but we can't consider something a plot hole(at least in Moffat's run)until Moffat leaves.
We know he likes to leave stuff hanging around, but yeah, the Trenzalore thingy is probably not on his plans.
>>64109978
go to bed belle
I want friendly neighbourhood anon totake off his trip!
i wanna kiss gallifrey_immigrant!
i wanna really hurt friendly neighborhood anon!
i wanna buy this!
https://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/the-diary-of-river-song-series-01-1313
>>64109995
Timeline where Doctor dies was aborted by Time Lords who acted as an outside force. But some time-sensitive things likely remained, like GI and Clara's doubles.
This makes sense to me.
>>64110043
I wanna hear if it's actually any good first!
>>64109851
TIMEY WIMEY
>>64110082
i wanna buy it! :D
>>64110163
Cheeky.
Finally got around to watching the episode. Decent bit of silly fun, followed by serious feels. I usually don't care much for River episodes, but this one was not too bad. Finally an good episode where she wasn't in the know about the Doctor.
The Husbands of River Song 5.77m (overnight)
>>64110506
Decent for a Christmas Special.
>>64110536
lel tennant got 14m on his shittiest xmas special. face it, the show is fucking dead now. tennant was the only man who could bring it to those heights.
Which companionhad the most cummable face?
>The Zygon Invasion/Inversion and UNIT: Extinction
>The Husbands of River Song and The Diary of River Song
It's weird seeing the main TV show and Big Finish practically working together.
>>64110549
>this meme
>>64110572
It's calledsynergyand it's a really good thing for Big Finish. I think it's great. Makes it feel like one big experience.
>>64110571
>>64110506
Objectively the worst series
WE ARE DOCTOR WHO!
>>64110572
speaking of river audios, are the episodes with her an in Diary and Doom Coaliton going to be related? like theyll be two sides to the same story, so whatever 8 does in DC2 will lead him to wherever river is in that episode, and we just experience the events from their perspective?
So we might get river at the end of a phone in DC2, and then in diary we get 8 at the end of the same call?
>>64110722
If they don't cast someone very well known and loved by tumblr and co for the next companion, the show is going down.
>>64110804
we don't know but it's possible as Diary River Song 8 is Time War 8
>>64110722
This is a shitty meme and you should feel bad for forcing it
>>64110829
wait really? so its even further down his line than we've seen?
Are they pulling some sort of reverse river on us, and we have to wait for war 8 audios in 2 years to see what happened?
I havent listened to Diary yet, gotta finish War Doc first, but Ive got them sitting there
>>64110829
Does he have The War Doctor's console at this point then? Like in Night Of The Doctor.
>>64110804
Not sure. Don't think they'd do that, though. More separate River adventures.
Having said that, it'd be quite the cross promotion. And it's a neat idea.
>river has a fez in her bag
fucking hell moff leave it in the past
I can't think I don't know I I I Ice cream ice cream ice cream ice cream ice cream ice cream ice cream ice cream ice cream
>>64110877
until Briggs tries to out moff moff and put river into the time war
>>64110876
doubt it as briggs loves the movie console room. i imagine 8 has that all his life
>>64110874
kind of, yeah. 8 isn't going to sequentially keep moving into the time war, i think doom coalition will be it for a while. I'm positive it was talked about in a Vortex issue: they plan to have 8 start 'running away' from the time war more which lets them
a) do general adventures with him and not be stuck to big arc stuff eventually leading to night of the doctor
b) use mcgann indefinitely
also, not sure if you're aware, but we saw time war 8 in the audio "Mary's Story" many years ago.
>>64110840
What objective measures would you use to rate episodes/series?
>>64110923
Until Brigs tries to out moff moff and give River her own Tardis and have her join all the Doctors in saving Gallifrey from the time war
>>64110985
how far into it I can get without playing darts
>>64111018
>>64110960
>>64110923
>>64110877
Would Briggs and Moff swapping roles (Briggs running tv, Moff more or less running BF Who) be for better or for worse?
>>64111084
I'd swap Briggs from 7 years ago but not current Briggs. Can I do a Moffesque timeswap and pull past Briggs for present Moff?
>>64111103
You can, but to protect the integrity of the timeline River and Rose have to become the new tardis console room
>>64111048
Subjective depending on how big your beer gut is.
>>64111084
>mfw people think Briggs is a good writer
Does anyone know when the christmas special is on?
>>64111444
I hope you burn in hell for continuing to force this meme.
>>64109995
>but time can be rewritten and the future has yet to happen.
That's utterly meaningless. Saying time can be rewritten is the same as saying it hasn't been written, thus totally nullifying the point of a timestream and literally all of the significance of any of the Doctor's actions.
>>64111444
Next June
Man the ending started out well but now I think it retroactively ruined river in silence in the library.
I swear moffat is trying to ruin all his good episodes.
>>64110043
Heard someone review it saying that River is more like the River we see in Husbands and is not a walking "spoiler sweetie" machine and the plot is like a female Indiana Jones story.
I may pick it up.
If the War Doctor is supposed to be a secret that the Doctor was ashamed of, then why did River Song have a picture of him?
>>64111555
Because the secret's out now
>>64111493
>I think it retroactively ruined river in silence in the library.
In what way? It's been a while since I've seen Library but I can't think of anything Husbands did that contradicted it
unless you're just disappointed that the mystery surrounding the singing towers is gone
>continued a disappointing Christmas run under current timelord, Peter Capaldi, attracting an average of 5.9 million viewers, down from 6.3 million last year and 8.3 million who watched the 2013 special when Capaldi’s predecessor, Matt Smith, made his farewell appearance in the role.
Cancelled when?
>>64111598
No I mean she actually only realizes why he was taking her to the towers and was crying right before she sacrifices herself for tennant.
Now that makes no sense.
>>64111493
If stories could be ruined by being made canonically inaccurate, Doctor Who would be a wasteland.
>>64111555
Because she's his wife.
>>64111555
she does her research, she even knew about 10's second regen, shes a stalker
>>64111598
>"You cried, you wouldn't tell me why, but I suppose you knew it was time, my time, my time to come to the library."
>>64111630
I've taken it as river figuring out she won't see the doctor again and river knowing she's about to die are two completely separate things
>>64111622
Moffat needs to go. Staying on was a mistake, he's splitting the fanbase in half.
Doctor Who is soooo going to Netflix after Series 10.
/who/ liked this episode?
>>64111622
It was only 1M less than the highest viewed program that day
Comparing the show against itself over the years instead of its competition at that moment of time is inaccurate
Brits in general have just completely stopped caring about live TV
>>64111644
I guess you are right.
It was just so frustratingly close to actually being good.
If they just cut out the part about river knowing this was the last time.
The dramatic irony of it would also be a nice reversal of river usually knowing everything and the audience knowing nothing.
>>64111704
How many reasons are there she'd never see the Doctor again? Really m7.
>>64111728
>netflix
>>64111737
>Brits in general have just completely stopped caring about live TV
Which is why the show will be on Netflix after Series 10.
>>64111744
>If they just cut out the part about river knowing this was the last time.
I'm almost certain moff had to throw that line in so the casual viewers would be aware of the significance of the events that were happening
>>64111737
We shouldn't be judging things on live ratings. Especially not on Christmas Day.
People have better things to do on Christmas Day than watch Doctor Who. Check the final ratings in a week for a more accurate figure.
>>64111704
>river figuring out she won't see the doctor again
>silence of the library starts with her message to him
>>64111774
Fuck off you squid kid, it's not staying on TV unless you want it to be cancelled like in 89.
>>64111728
Why are Americans so stupid
>>64111802
She was still holding out for the doctor to have found a way around it most likely
>>64111807
Even if it went to a streaming service, it'd be Amazon Prime, not Netflix.
>>64111774
The show is huge on Netflix. I always see it on the Trend category and Most Watched.
I can see Doctor Who exploding in popularity if it went American.
>>64111811
Why would I be stupid?
>>64111815
Why not on Netflix? Are people really paying for Amazon's streaming service?
>>64111812
Go to bed MIDF
>>64111812
I feel like you need to rewatch silence again.
It wasn't some desperate message to find the doctor. It was a casual message to get his help. Just like the jumping off a building and and shooting out an airlock.
>>64111840
Ah yes, just like last time.
>>64111842
Lots of people have Prime
>>64111840
How successful was the movie?
>>64111883
Highest grossing movie ever before Titanic
>>64111842
I have Amazon Prime, and not Netflix.
Amazon's much better value. Free One Day Delivery, and a streaming video library, and a book library and a streaming music library.
I'm not getting Netflix just to watch the latest Marvel trash.
>>64111842
Amazon Prime has Transparent and Man in the High Castle as its most successful shows.
Think of all the successful shows that are on Netflix.
Answer;Almost all of them.
>>64111867
Even still, it's entirely possible she just figured it was worth a shot
>>64111922
It's far more possible that Moffat is a lazy writer.
>>64111907
Netflix doesn't have the new Jeremy Clarkson show.
>>64111744
>If they just cut out the part about river knowing this was the last time.
But it's her suspicion that it's the last night that makes 12 telling her "24 years" such a big gesture. (Frankly I think she'd suspect it anyway the moment he told her that)
At the end of the day SitL/FotD is the ending to a story that didn't yet exist. Doctor Who operates in a place where memory and time are malleable things, stories can outgrow their predetermined endings. Maybe 12 subtly changed time and there's now an alternate version of FotD somewhere where River's last speech to 10 is different.
>>64111948
>writing a script that doesn't line up 100% with every detail of something you wrote seven years ago
>lazy
What if Alex Kingston played Missy and Michelle Gomez played River?
>>64111907
Now that you mention Transparent, has Season 2 come out yet?
>>64111922
Look I don't wanna go too much in it since it is an incredibly nerdy nitpick but that just doesn't make sense.
She wasn't surprised to reach him. She wasn't surprised when she saw him in the Library. And don't tell me she was acting and just didn't show the surprise to ruin the timeline or anything. Because she reacted quite visibly to being told he didn't know who she was.
>At the end of the day SitL/FotD is the ending to a story that didn't yet exist. Doctor Who operates in a place where memory and time are malleable things, stories can outgrow their predetermined endings. Maybe 12 subtly changed time and there's now an alternate version of FotD somewhere where River's last speech to 10 is different.
Don't get me wrong I get that. It was just so close to not needing that defense.
>>64111997
River would have a Scottish accent.
>>64111997
No.
Just.
No.
>>64111840
Americans would ignore an American version of Doctor Who entirely. The Britishness is part of its idiosyncratic appeal.
>>64111997
Kingston would not play Missy well
she's not posh enough
>>64111972
Would 12 have even existed when those stories happened? At that point wasn't The Doctor still due to die on Trenzalore
>>64111988
>destroying the impact of your best moments and characters because you can't be bothered to check what happened
>>64112058
>replying to obvious bait
You are too easy.
>>64111948
Also am I the only one mad the show is forcing their atheist beliefs again.
You know the "blah blah nothing lasts forever, everything has an end bs", I mean it was like a theme from the Tennant are and even then it was starting to be overused. But now it is just getting old and lazy. I mean River's death was handled well but after watching that and also Clara's back to back it is sort of frustrating , especially since it never explains if freaking Masie Williams ever dies or not. You can't say everyone has their time and have this immortal girl run around.
>>64112109
'nothing last forever' could be interpreted as a life.
it's only obvious when they mention that ghosts cant exist.
It does make DW unique as one of the few fictional universes without an afterlife.
>>64112149
river's sonic certainly got dirty after 24 years
>>64112159
Does star track have one?
>>64112176
I'm a fan of that as well and I'm going to say no, there's a few episodes that may hint at it but mostly no. Star Trek doesn't do spirituality well.
>>64112162
>>64112162
I can see a Sonic Trowel and River's Sonic(the clean version) set being released.
>>64112267
After a whole series of the doctor using unsellable raybans instead of a sonic they go ahead and provide the marketing team with 3 new sonic toys to make
bravo moffat
>>64112162
>>64112245
What a way to fuck with expectations of what people thought was gonna be a future Doctor's sonic screwdriver. The fact that it's obviously an RTD-era sonic only makes it even more jarring when it's been 'revealed' that 12 gave it to her, considering the busy looking sonic he now has.
>>64112324
It's a little disappointing moff passed up the opportunity to make it 12's sonic for an episode before he passed it on to river and then the tardis spat out that one
Although all of the concept art and the fact that the light pole's default color is clear makes me think this one might have the fabled red setting
>>64112324
Not really impressed by 12's new sonic, desu.
It doesn't really help that it looks like a magic wand.
It's just a stick, imagine if the light was different, it would make it totally unsellable.
>>64112162
You can only guess what they used it for.
>>64112324
Where'd you get such a good picture of it from?
>>64112324
This sonic is just weird, isn't it?
>>64112324
If only they'd gone with black instead of metallic blue
>>64112026
This. I think American girls especially like the idea of being whisked away by a quirky Englishman Doctor, it's quite classically Byronic, I suppose.
Personally, I'd take an American Doctor a million times over the two other alternatives that I don't need to name. I always thought a younger Gene Wilder would have been a great American Doctor.
>>64112397
The combination of blue and gold just doesn't match capaldi's outfit in the slightest, even less so if it does have red lights like the concept art
>>64112159
Yes but they are repeating that theme over and over again.
I mean back in the Matt Smith era, he mentioned a few times like when he thought he was going to die but I can't stand when they force the message but at the same time have an immortal girl that never dies.
>>64112287
I hope they also make a replica of the Confession Dial and the damaged 11's sonic and sell it as a The Magician's Apprentice/The Witch's Familiar setMaybe they could also add in Missy's device thingy.
I like how they had a throwback to 'every christmas is last christmas' desu
>>64112209
Ha! Star Shrek fans get owned by Star Wars again!
>>64112415
And a companion who never stays dead
>>64112429
>Maybe they could also add in Missy's device thingy.
They need to make it an iphone case
>>64112429
>I hope they also make a replica of the Confession Dial
They already have
>>64112413
This.
Black, grey, dark grey as main body, gold or orange-y for the light and burgundy for the red setting.
>>64112413
It's based on the TARDIS, it only matches him as much as that does.
>>64112459
>actual red nib
did they just use one of the toys as a prop in Husbands? It's not unprecedented since War's sonic was just a modified classic sonic toy
>>64112465
Really?
Pics?
I hope it's not one of these RubberToe replicas cause their sonics are expensive as fuck.
>>64112324
someone photoshop this, but make it black, dark grey, grey and gold light.
>>64112504
Loosely based, the tardis doesn't have gold
Maybe this could be the part that flicks and goes up and down.
>>64112415
I was just talking about the Whoniverse rather than story elements..
fixed it
>>64112413
I can live with this design but I thought a more subtle version would've suited 12.
i wanna kiss cloister!
i wanna cuddle belle!
>>64112661
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEjzEbwPVww
Sammi thinks we haven't seen how The Doctor and River first me
i wanna massage schlemil!
i wanna touch gallifrey_immigrant!
i wanna punch friendly neighborhood anon!
i wanna nuzzle cloister!
>>64112800
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>>64112661
i wanna hurt friendly neighborhood anon!
>>64112640
I wish it looked like this
i wanna humiliate friendly neighborhood anon!
>>64112857
red/yellow/blue is a very unpleasant color palette
i wanna ban friendly neighborhood anon!
i wanna attack friendly neighborhood anon!
>>64112857
>>64111678
Twelve never outright tells her about the library or confirms her suspicions, so depending of how you interpret the scene it's perfectly compatible. Plus >>64111798
is right, I definitely needed a refresher, havn't watched Tennant's run in ages.
i wanna disturb friendly neighborhood anon!
i wanna impress cloister!
>>64112516
>I hope it's not one of these RubberToe replicas
oh dear
i wanna make out with belle!
Why didn't you save me, /who/?
i wanna tickle the faceless one!
>>64113084
because you're black
>>64113004
It's maybe a stretch, but I think an ice blue light would really work well with the black.
>>64113125
i wanna stretch gallifrey_immigrant!
>>64113084
There are worse ways to regenerate than being executed by a mad, bad Doctor
>>64112357
>It's a little disappointing moff passed up the opportunity to make it 12's sonic
It it 12's sonic, he gave River a completely different sonic
>>64113139
i wanna execute friendly neighborhood anon!
>>64112857
>>64113004
Both of these are 1000x better than what we got
i wanna kiss belle!
>>64113153
swing and a miss
>>64113200
i wanna miss shlemil!
Fuck off Cats.
i wanna make a new thread!
i wanna make a torchwood general!
Is River gone for good now?
i wanna squeeze cloister!
Rose is the Doctor's true waifu.
i wanna flirt with belle!
>>64113301
Who knows, hopefully?
i wanna pinch gallifrey_immigrant!
i wanna bruise friendly neighborhood anon!
i wanna pamper cloister!
What's the order now of River Song? Was was the last time she saw him before the current one?
i wanna stress out friendly neighborhood anon!
>>64113425
i wanna order cloister!
no kiss happened though
alex must've not wanted more wrinkles
>>64113425
Does it even matter?
>>64113153
You misunderstand me
In Library, River says 'you gave me your sonic'
As it stands, what we saw in Husbands was the doctor giving river a sonic that was not his own
since the doctor just got a new sonic, they could have made it that the doctor first got that river song sonic and used it in Husbands until he gave it to her at which point he got a different one
Might be a little too convoluted though for him to get two completely new design sonics in two episodes
>>64113509
They did kiss after 12 gave her a present, it was just a formal kiss and not a sexual one but it still counts
>>64113550
i wanna kiss u!
>>64113580
i wanna play with u!
>>64113548
So you could watch it from river's perspective from first time she met him to the last time.
>>64113580
more like lightly touch their cheeks
It was ok. First story is kinda bland though.
But third one is very good. Reminded me ofHeaven Sentat times.
They're going with sonic trowel and more darker "unmasked" River charecterisation on audio. Interesting.
What's with this shitposting?
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>>64113635
What's the McGann one like?
Interesting they can even use the sonic trowel; their license only covers up to Deep Breath.
>>64113628
That's what a formal kiss is
i wanna spoil the new stars wars movie!
>>64113635Does 8's memory get wiped of having met river?
>>64113704
never heard it called "formal kiss"
it's basically just a greeting, but more importantly, not a kiss so no bingo
i wanna mount river!
>>64113744
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheek_kissing
Literally a kiss
i wanna hump river!
>>64113789
i wanna see clara's cheeks!
>>64113680
>What's the McGann one like?
Boxset story arc culmination. It's okay.
Boxset goes for me like - meh - ok- good - ok
There's Time War Eight.He never sees River, and she's pretending to be someone else over the radio.
>Interesting they can even use the sonic trowel; their license only covers up to Deep Breath.
Well, she calls her sonic device trowel in first one half-jokingly and uses screwdriver afterwards. So it could be coincidence but i think it's cheeky reference.
With River's timeline being all over the place (for example, Singing Towers originating with 10 but seen with 12), i don't think one can bash license on her stuff that hard.
>>64110643
>instant erection
she's aging well
>>64110643
she looks even more like her cousin nowher face is too fat
>>64113830wtf? The whole thing was marketed as 8 and river meeting. he's literally on the centre of the boxset
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>>64113623
You could, but then Moffat might change it and just hand wave it away in another episode because he feels like it, so what's the point?
>>64108874
>a kiss between river and the doctor
nope
>>64113909
Marketing move. I think it's bait for that part of audio fanbase that wanted Hurt dead until he could do any voice acting and hence corrupting muh pure BFA with new-school drivel
Is Peter Capaldi the best Doctor ever? I can't find a single scene with him that's not greatly interpreted. Even the shittiest episode gain a little value with his interpretation holy shit
should i start watching doctor literally who?
>>64113996
no desu
it's a silly kids show staring a quirky british man
>>64113914
Because what else am I going to do?
>>64114018
it's actually a wacky british man
