What would your IDEAL special editions look like?
For me it'd be:
>1997 special edition
>Remove the clutter in Mos Eisely
>Fix Han shooting Greedo
>Remove Jabba in the hangar scene
>Remove Luke's scream in ESB
>Remove the Cloud City CGI in ESB
>Remove the Jabba Palace music number in RotJ
It would finally be perfect. A lot of the 1997 was just polish like removing lines from matte painting and touching up CGI. Go to 2004 or beyond and you have to start removing even more hackery like Hayden Christiansen
>>64106295
Turn Ewoks into Wookiees
>>64106295
Theatrical cuts.
The end.
Can't see any problems with the 2004 release of Empire Strikes Back. Having Ian Mcdiarmid as Sheev instead of the woman with chimp eyes was a good call.
>>64106357
Hello, Reddit!
>>64106295
>Remove Luke's scream in ESB
The Blurays and 2006 DVDs already did this
![Carol-Poster[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WGP8zva.jpg "Carol-Poster[1].jpg")
All recorded footage.
>fix Han shooting greedo
Fucking what
He was a fucking smuggler. A pirate. He shot people. Everyone needs to get the fuck over this.
>>64106405
Pretty sure he means having Han shoot first
>>64106398
Yeah but then they messed up the Emperor in ESB and added Hayden to RotJ among some other stuff
I'd rather have Luke scream than have Hayden at the end of RotJ
>>64106370
but that ruins the mystery of the Emperor
The chimp didn't look like him, but his face was shadowed and saved his big reveal for RotJ
>>64106295
>A lot of the 1997 was just polish like removing lines from matte painting and touching up CGI.
If by polish you mean recompositing every single ship and special effect, to the point not only ships looks better and with the right colors (less visible garbage mattes and that stuff) but they also have the incorrect positions and movement, giving you a wrong perspective about how the movie was made and released, then yes, it's polish. And pure revisionism.
The original special effects were fine.
>>64106830
>The original special effects were fine.
Darth Vader doesn't say NOOO in the throne room. Goddamn that was a stupid addition.
>>64106295
>>download despecialized edition
>>they removed all the graphics improvements not just the dumb stuff like unnecessary screams and whole new scenes and the emperor hologram\vader's ghost fuckup
>>64106295
I recently watched the despecialised editions.
I have to say, other than the picture/sound improvements from Lucasfilm/ILM's masterful cleanup of the degraded prints, there isn't a single thing added in any of the special editions that improves anything.
>Model shots throughout A New Hope look great even after 38 years
>Everything in the original cut of Empire Strikes Back is perfect as it is
>Return of the Jedi is still the weakest of the three, that happens to have some absolutely stand-out sequences like Luke's return to Dagobah, the final space battle and Luke vs Vader and the Emperor, nothing added to it like Hayden's force ghost improves it in any way, and the musical number in Jabba's palace actually severely drags it down
Just release them in 4k on Blu-Ray with nothing altered except print and sound cleanup. They're two perfect films and one very decent one that don't need anything changing about them.
>>64107488
>>64107517
Despecialized might not be bright and shiny but it's perfect. I don't need bells and whistles.
Replacing Yub Nub was the best decision George ever made.
>>64106295
Blu-ray editions.
>remove the slapstick droids and jawas in Mos Eisley
>remove the creature walking in front of the speeder before the checkpoint scene
>Greedo doesn't shootI really don't care that much about this one, fanboys are retarded
>Remove Jabba in the hangar
>Restore Luke's "you're lucky you don't taste good" line
>Restore "Bring my shuttle"
>Restore Lapti Nek, remove Jedi Rocks
>Remove Vader's 'no's
>Remove the shots of Tattooine, Naboo, and Coruscant
>Get Hayden Christensen to come into a studio for a few hours to properly shoot the end sequence because neither the original or the DVD version are ideal also fuck you
Keep literally everything else.
>>64107606
Agreed, best change
>>64107622
Lapti Nek is really no better
>>64107517
To be honest, ESB Despecialized 2.0 has, for the most part, SE recompositions. There are a few exceptions (battle of Hoth) where SE compositions have been replaced, but I think half of the scene of the Falcon flying on Bespin has the wrong Cloud City ships.
And even the despecialized compositions does not have green garbage mattes, which would have been visible back in 1980.
SW Despecialized 2.5 is also wrong in a few parts, but it has far less space scenes outside the battle of Yavin IV.
>>64107643
It's a hundred times better and fits the sleazy aesthetic far more than a ridiculously cheesy CGI pop band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV0LD-QAzg0
This sounds like music from the same universe as the cantina band in A New Hope. Jedi Rocks does not.
>>64106830
Nothing wrong with fixing stuff up for special editions, as long as they're just the original elements and not recreations.
>>64107679
Agreed, this fits the sleazy vibe of Jabba's palace much better. Also the CGI, even putting aside how dated it looks, never gelled with literally everything else in the scene being puppets/practical.
>>64106370
I don't like Ian McDarmind's delivery of those lines.
>>64107579
While I appreciate Harmy and his hard work, there's a lot of work to be done.
Despecialized still uses SD sources (that will change for 3.0 onwards, where only HD and film sources will be used), and even when it does not use SD sources you can still see the jump in quality. Look at nearly any cockpit shot in ESB, he used footage from a TV broadcast of the 1997 SE to zoom out the shots (the 2004 SE onwards have zoomed in for no reason), and he was forced to degrade the BD footage, which creates a visible contrast. Or look at the scene of Lando talking through a microphone while R2 tries to open a door, or the scene where Lando is talking to Leia and Han before meeting Vader: those two scenes features 35mm footage, and it's fucking clear.
And of course I haven't mention the elephant in the room: the blurays are terrible, video quality wise.
>>64106295
this except a couple thing
>keep cloud city CGI, but keep it consistent with the aesthetic (more of a matte painting look rather than digital)
>Ian McDiarmid in Empire albeit the change in dialogue
>Temuera Morrison as Boba, but actually take the time to get a few good takes and not just "read these lines and we'll call it a day" that probably actually happened, I mean there are like 3 lines it couldn't be hard to get all of them perfect. (This one isn't essential but it keeps with the continuity, Boba has an NZ Maori accent in II, but you could argue accents can change)
>remove just about every cgi creature, I don't care about the sarlacc pit, but seeing storm troopers riding on massive digital animals while Luke rides on a stop motion tauntaun really takes you out.
>>64107748
>the blurays are terrible, video quality wise.
lol no
>>64107688
But in most cases they're not the original elements.
The shot of Leia looking at the Falcon on the Death Star before meeting the Stormtroopers Han will chase later had a different composition with a different model of the Falcon.
I also think the shot of the two X-Wings escorting a medical ship before the ion cannon fires against the stardestroyer has different models in the SE too. At least their positions, movement, opacity and colors are different.
>>64107800
The blurays are sourced from the same digital master that was used for the 2004 DVDs. Said master was created from the SE negatives. The SE negatives were made from a 1995-97 scan of the original negatives and a 2K scan of the composited elements, with all the editing done on computers and the final output video put on a film. The 1997 negatives thereforr had already a decrease in quality, but the 2004 scan made by Lowry had wrong colors and heavy DVNR, to the point they needed to readd grain to the image, or to the point entire facial parts like mouths have dissapeared on several shots (example: Han talking to Lando before meeting Vader, in earlier home released and in theatrical prints you can see Han's mouth when he's very far from the camera, but in the blurays it only appears when he's much closer).
I know this is /tv/ and people speak without knowing a shit, but come on.
>>64107772
This is going to sound autistic as fuck but I much, MUCH prefer Boba Fett's original voice. I don't care if it's only four lines of dialogue, his original voice is way more sinister and well-delivered.
>>64107912
looks good on my 50" screen. maybe you need a better TV. :)
>>64107971
I guess you think YIFY encodes looked fine, right?
>>64107912
I get that it'd be less than perfect from a preservation point of view, but for home viewing it's perfectly good quality.
>>64107995
Not really, not unless Harmy stops using SD sources, then maybe it will be finally acceptable.
I hope that Technicolor scan some people are doing can be used for SW DeEd 3.0 It looks beautiful.
The thing that bothers me most about the special editions is that some changes are good and some aren't
I really want to original theatrical releases, but they'd be missing touchups like the matte lines on the speeders on Hoth, as well as some cool scenes like the Executor blowing up
I think my biggest gripe though would be if the original releases featured Yub Nub. I'm pretty sure it comes down to whichever you're used to (whichever you saw as a kid) but the victory celebration theme is so much better. Jedi doesn't feel right without it and it's easily the best change in any special edition
>>64108176
Nothing stops you from re-adding SE recomps on theatrical footage.
Oh wait, we don't have the theatrical versions to begin with.
>>64108102
sorry I thought we were talking about the blurays?
>>64108176
Yeah the problem at this point is there's been such an ordeal about george and his special editions that if Disney releases the originals and makes them canon then we miss out on the actual good changes. And if they go "okay well we'll keep these changes and remove these" then it'll still piss people off and will be like spitting in George's face (like releasing the originals is one thing but saying "we can touch up your movie better than you can, you ocd fuck" seems disrespectful).
>>64108176
Holy shit I just listened to Yub Nub for the first time
That is fucking awful, no idea what they were thinking with that
>>64106295
Jabba in the hangar scene is important unfortunately because it shows that Boba Fett was on Tatooine at the time since he was the one that killed Luke's aunt and uncle and earned the ire of Darth Vader.
>>64108339
You were talking about the blurays for preservation projects, and I said that there are mostly unacceptable for home viewing, and that I hope new material such as 35mm/Technicolor elements can be used for DeEd instead of the blurays, because the blurays are so bad in some shots even theatrical release prints badly conserved and preserved delivers more quality than supposed "professional" scans.
So yes, we were talking about the blurays.
>Remove Greedo shooting
>remove all of the kiddy humor and dinosaur shit when entering Mos Eisley
>keep the Sandcrawler from 2011's BluRay release
>>64106370
It didn't fix anything. In the 2004 version Sheev has that same makeup he had in ROTS and as we know it looks nothing like the Emperor in ROTJ.
>>64106516
This. They should have just put McDiarmids voice over it or filmed him with his face in the shadows
>>64108545
I think essentially what they should've done is what they did, but better. A lot of the 2004/2011 changes are so half assed, at least with the 1997 special editions there was notable effort put in
>>64106437
Han didn't shoot first. He just shot. Saying he shot first implies Greedo even had a chance of shooting.
>>64106295
Remove the hanger scene in all OP
It built up to Jabba having mentioned him but not showed him
