Domestic Avatar is going down
still don't think worldwide will beat avatar
>>64061176
>those pathetic numbers
Based Jim does it again.
And soon he's going to break the record he's already broken.
Star Fags on suicide watch.
I still have hope for Episode 7 taking down Avatar. I think its staying power in theaters plus its strong opening will put it over the top.
>>64061176
>Domestic Avatar is going down
OP confirmed for butthurt hater
you need to win china to win the grand prize and chinks hate star wars
>domestic
>>64061460
They also hate niggers, Disney really fucked up.
>>64061656
It is all about marketing. I doubt any of the marketing for Star Wars in China has Finn featured heavily.
>>64061176
At least this gives JC at least a small record to work towards. It can't be fun holding all the relevant records and having nothing to work towards, but he'll take what he can get.
>>64061656
>>64061460
They only get a tiny percentage of the Chinese gross. Even if Avatar keeps the record, Star Wars could still end up being more profitable overseas because most of that is coming from Europe, who give a higher percentage of their profits to the studios.
>>64061176
>Domestic avatar going down
>>64061762
Yeah good luck with that. Avatar made $1.82b overseas without China.
China wasn't even a big market when Avatar was released, and it's STILL the #8 highest-grossing film of all time there. In fact, Avatar is the only movie in the top 40 to be released before fucking 2013 or something. If Avatar were released today it would have made over $600m in China.
>>64061762
>trying this hard for kike wars
pathetic dickless faggot
LMAO good luck KEK
>>64061956
>HAHAHA THEY ARE ONLY 29TH
>been out for less than a week
>>64062006
Getting anxious, shill?
>>64062006
It's been out for at least a week even in the last markets it was released in, dumb kek
>>64061930
I don't even care, i'm just stating facts. Star Wars being a financial flop wouldn't change my opinion of the film at all.
>>64062006
kike on suicide watch
>>64062040
Getting worried that Star Wars is gonna bulldoze your faggy video game about blue native americans?
>>64062080
>Star Wars being a financial flop
that train has left the station
>>64061956
>>64062056
It's the fastest a film has ever reached that sum of money.
>>64062006
its not going to beat avatar domestic. The majority of its money was from last week and the rest from this weekend. Now it if makes 300 more this weekend then it might beat avatar
>>64062090
Yeah, and then Alvin and the Chipmunks 4 will beat Titanic
>>64061956
>less than the phantom menace
JJ on suicide watch
>>64062090
>Kike wars bulldozing a JC movie
nice going cuck
>>64062102
it's all downhill from here
What a fucking flop
>>64062102
>speed "records"
How long do you reckon that will stand for? A few months? If you're lucky you might even get a year.
A lot of movies have broken speed "records" and haven't even come anywhere near Avatar. It's nothing new.
>>64062174
>A lot of movies have broken speed "records" and haven't even come anywhere near Avatar.
Force Awakens will make $780 million domestically. Screenshot this.
>tfw praying next week's headlines will be about TFA having a huge disastrous drop
>>64062234
>will be about TFA having a huge disastrous drop
lol nope. It's the Holidays. I checked for tickets for tomorrow and most of seats in my theater were already sold out. The 3D IMAX had some tickets sold as far from now as new years eve, and the Monday drop was fairly small.
>>64062206
I don't know why you care about the irrelevant domestic record, Avatar is the highest-grossing film of all time domestically and is only #14 when you adjust for inflation.
The only record that matters is "the highest-grossing film of all time". Avatar made over $2b overseas en-route to becoming "the highest-grossing film of all time". Do you think TFA can match that, or even come close? Before you answer, you might want to know than TFA is tracking at a measly 48%/52% domestic/overseas ratio (abysmal for a 2015 blockbuster). Avatar was at 27%/73% by the end of its theatrical run.
>>64062347
Cameron can keep his 10% of Chinese box office gross.
>>64062424
See
>>64061887
Even a weak film like TFA could potentially outgross Avatar in China, purely because of how much the market has grown since 2009.
>Most likely, Star Wars will drop around 55% compared to last Friday, before removing the $57 million in Thursday previews. Removing Thursday previews we're talking about something closer to a 14-15% drop and a Friday in the $53-55 million range. This would lead to a second weekend around $175+ million and a domestic cumulative total around $565 million by Sunday. It took Jurassic World 24 days to cross $550 million, it will take Star Wars around ten.
Jurassic World is getting bodied
>>64061762
You're getting into a level of detail that is never really exposed to the outside world - the only number us plebs in the public ever get are boxoffice.
it's doing really poorly everywhere else though
girl powers and niggers dont earn in europe (and won't earn in china either)
>>64062802
>it's doing really poorly everywhere else though
lol
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl//
>Adjusted for inflation, Gone With The Wind had a $1.6 billion domestic gross
PEW PEW SHIT BTFO
>>64062833
Popular movies were in theaters for like a decade back then, and they only had like three movies out at a time. You can't really compare
>>64062821
>opening $30m worse overseas than fucking Harry Potter in 2011
>the "most anticipated film of all time"
>>64061176
Who knows. I went to see it again on tuesday at 10am and it was fucking packed
>>64062833
Gone With The Wind was the Avatar of its time. A mediocre story with amazing visuals.
The only redeeming things about it are the costumes, the sets, and the music.
Prove me wrong, niggers.
>>64063039
I don't really mind - was just talking about how much money it made.
>>64063001
It still beat the worldwide opening weekend record. Harry Potter had an insane second week drop, which Star Wars isn't going to have.
>>64063075
Which again, made it the avatar of its time.
>>64063125
>the most "anticipated" film of all time
>has to rely on millions of American manchildren to watch the movie dozens of times each over opening weekend to push it to a pathetic $4m above the old worldwide opening weekend record
>the most "anticipated" film of all time
>beaten at the box office by The Himalayas and some nip cartoon film
>>64063036
>trying this hard
nice shilling faggot
>>64063236
It also didn't open in as many markets simultaneously as Jurassic World did, which is why it's so difficult to use international opening weekend gross as a whole as an indicator of success. $99 million of Jurassic World's opening weekend gross came from China, which Star Wars doesn't open in until next month.
>>64063036
Oddly enough, I know someone who went to an early show on Sunday that was almost empty. It's like people had assumed it was sold out and didn't try to get tickets.
>>64062656
Wasn't FAN DANG OHH reporting that Christmas day was the other day that they sold a shit ton of presales?
This weekend could be incredible. And everyone is on break and it's so outstanding to see TFA posting high 30's for each day.
I went to a 9am showing yesterday. And I was surprised for how many people were there for such an early showing. It was one of the bigger auditoriums. And I'd want to say at least 40-60 people for that early in the day.
>>64063388
manchild confirmed
>>64063388
I bought the last tickets of a 5 PM 2D showing for tomorrow after everything else was sold out. Some seats were even taken as far from now as New Years eve
>>64063343
>the most "anticipated" film of all time
>has to be propped up by Thursday evening "midnight" showings to allow it to beat the worldwide opening weekend of a kids movie about wizards (which also didn't open in China)
JUST
>>64061460
China's not that important. Looking at Avatar's box office, it was pulling insane numbers in countries like Italy, Japan, and South Korea, clearing 100-150 million dollars in countries where movies don't usually break 50 mil, it's important to win in every country and not just bank on China.
Star Wars is losing in those places(it's actually doing pretty good in Japan but it's tanking in South Korea), South Korea was the test market for China, both had no interest in the movie and they wanted to see how badly the movie would do in SK. It only made 6 million dollar opening weekend and is doing like 1.5 in dailies, compare that to the 150mil that Avatar made in SK and you have a problem.
That's why the Chinese marketing blitz is happening, and it's working. The movie will eclipse Avatar's Box office in chink-land.
Also TFA is destroying the box office in Japan(albeit it's underperforming for their expected values because of yo-kai watch), Britian, Germany, France and Australia, the dailies are in the 10's of million and the second weekend for TFA in Britian and Australia will bring it pretty close to the overall total of Avatar in those two countries. Germany and France should be about equal between the two movies. This doesn't sound that significant but you need to remember that those countries constitute 800,000,000 dollars of Avatar's total box office.
I have a really long write up about this but /tv/ is not going to read it and just keep shitposting.
>>64063590
interesting stuff, do you know why the koreans hated it?
>>64063590
>try harder
>on suicide watch
>>64063708
Gook here, we hated niggers more then /pol/ 'cause of the LA riots.
Fin is niggy as they come, also we are sexist as fuck so no girl power shit.
>>64061176
i'd like to take this opportunity to say
>PIRATES ARE KILLING THE INDUSTRY HURRR
>>64063769
based gooks
>>64063590
>Also TFA is destroying the box office in Japan Britian, Germany, France and Australia, the dailies are in the 10's of million
>Sunday cumulative totals
>UK ($48.9M)
>Germany ($27.3M)
>France ($22.7M)
>Australia ($22.7M)
>Japan ($13.5M)
>Russia ($12.3M)
>Mexico ($11.3M)
>Italy ($9.2M)
>Brazil ($8.3M)
>Monday cumulative totals
>UK ($59.4M)
>Germany ($31.4M)
>France ($26.9M)
>Australia ($22.4M)
>Japan ($15.9M)
>Russia ($13.3M)
>Mexico ($12.7M)
>Italy ($10.4M)
>Brazil ($9.6M)
Where are the tens of millions?
Source: http://deadline.com/2015/12/star-wars-the-force-awakens-overseas-box-office-1201668699/, http://deadline.com/2015/12/star-wars-force-awakens-monday-box-office-record-1201670879/
>>64063236
If you're talking about Yo-Kai Watch, it's like Pokemon popular in Japan. It's the highest grossing movie of all time in Japan now. It's fine though because Star wars daily BO in Japan is really good, it's making 4 million dollars daily which outpaces Avatar's 4 million dollars a week.
Also Star wars doubled the opening weekend of Avatar even with the hardest competition it could go up against.
>>64063708
I think it's due to a lack of marketing and Korean pop-culture.
Understand that Disney is pumping millions right now into getting that marketing blitz in China to generate interest in the film, they were riding on Star Wars trumping everything even though the social media analysis showed the movie to flop in those countries.
The marketing was spent on Western countries and it's doing well. Some countries are holding out however(Italy, Russia, Spain, Egypt, ). It's all about this second and third week though, we have to see if the numbers remain, the movie doesn't need the longevity of Avatar it just needs to make large amounts of money daily in a few weeks.
Russia and South Korea are not loving the film though, the daily numbers are abysmal which sucks cause that's like 250,000,000 dollars of Avatar's gross right there.
>>64063886
I should have been less retarded there, by dailies I meant the non weekend days as a collective. (M-TH)
Still SW is making 9-10 million dollars a day in britan, 4-5 million dollars a day in Germany and France, The Australian number is inaccurate that you posted because it's claiming negative box office and those Japan numbers are out of date, look at Box office mojo.
Compare that to Avatar where in like Germany for example it was making 9 million dollars on weekends and like 3-4 million dollars in the mondays-thursdays days all together,
>>64064128
>Russia and South Korea are not loving the film though
Kek
>>64063708
70's Star Wars never played there, prequels were garbage films so there is no nostalgia fanbase like Japan who fucking love SW.
>>64064128
>star wars is literally making negative money in based Ausland
J
>those Japan numbers are out of date, look at Box office mojo.
Of course they're out of date, they're from Monday. Boxofficemojo says $18.3m in Japan as of Tuesday, which looks consistent.
>Compare that to Avatar
No don't compare it to Avatar. Don't compare any normal blockbuster to Avatar. Any normal blockbuster makes 90% of its total worldwide gross within the first 4 or 5 weekends. Avatar simply didn't.
Either way, there's no point talking about TFA vs. Avatar any more. It's no longer a competition. TFA is doing like 48/52 domestic/overseas, incredibly poorly, and needs to up that to at least near 70% overseas to compete with avatar. It's simply not doing well enough overseas to come close. This movie doesn't have 30 weeks to makes it gross like avatar does. It has basically 4 weekends like any other blockbuster, and time is running out to get that ratio up.
SW is suffering not a lot but at least a bit from Latin American countries currencies being in the dumps. All the pesos are at record lows.
>>64061176
screencap this. tfa will fail to surpass avatar and will probably only make 2b.
avatar was released during the big "reintroduction of 3d" boom. its main appeal was seeing it 3d and people were amazed by the special effects even though the story sucks and is really forgettable. not to mention avatar stayed on cinemas for months.
now, tfa is just as forgettable but there's literally no reason to rewatch it because nobody cares about 3d any more.
>>64064427
I doubt it will match Avatar but you're underestimating Force Awaken's legs.
>>64064128
To add on to that last part, TFA made 20,000,000 in Australia and another 5 million on Monday and Tuesday.
At 2.5 million dollars per day, we can say that's 10 million dollars on M-TH and realistically at least a 10-15 million dollars weekend.
Compare that to Avatar making 10-12 million dollars weekly, for the time being TFA is pulling better numbers(not that significant though)
It's definitely doing better in Europe though, those daily and weekend numbers point to it outpacing Avatar.
Regarding Japan as well, TFA is making 4 million dollars a day compared to Avatar's 15~ million dollar weeks. TFA will make more money on the dailies than Avatar will including the weekends.
>>64064216
The film is doing fine in Russia but it's not breaking records. It's doing abysmally in Korea though, the Chinese marketing wave might have some spillover and help it out though, who knows.
Overall I think TFA has the current numbers to beat out Avatar, but it's an issue of longevity then. It needs to countries where it's blowing up in (UK, America, France, Germany, Mexico) to carry it a lot more than Avatar did because I don't think this movie can hang around for a year like Avatar.
>>64064427
Lol at the first part, also 18.3 in Japan coming from a 10 mill weekend is a different implication than what the numbers your posting have. Your's imply 2.4 million dollars a day while the correct ones 4 million a day.
The ratio for Domestic/Overseas doesn't matter if TFA makes enough domestically. It has the potential to sell as many tickets as ANH and that's 1.1 billion dollars. Plus the daily foreign numbers in a lot of places indicate it will make more money than the average blockbuster during the weekdays(which is more important than it making 3-4 million dollars every single week for 8-10 months, if it can make 3-4 million dollars every day for 4-6 weeks.) but we still need another weekend and week at the least to make any substantial predictions.
>>64064493
>only 2b
I'm sick of these shit threads. Sales threads are full of the most cancerous faggots on every board.
>>64064551
Why would it have legs much greater than that of a normal blockbuster?
It's holding up well past its opening weekend only because it's the Christmas week. Everything is playing in TFA's favour right now. After that it'll drop like a rock.
>>64063526
Breh, you better strap the fuck in and saddle down, because you're in for one helluva fucking ride.
This hype train is going on full steam and ain't no signs of stopping soon.
Look how /tv/ has blown the fuck up about this movie and actually
WE /starwars/ NOW
Look at your new Man of Steel.
Because we're here.
>>64064711
>this post
>implying a film not made by Cameron can beat Titanic or let alone Avatar
Hahahahaha.
>>64064590
>It has the potential to sell as many tickets as ANH and that's 1.1 billion dollars.
I'm sorry, reality check. Even with a $1b gross TFA would still need to make 1.8x its domestic gross overseas to equal avatar, and that works out as a 35%/65% share. The ratio matters hugely.
Again, the only reason it's playing better than average weekday numbers is because it's the Christmas week, everyone's off holiday, etc. Expect them to drop dramatically in the new year.
>>64063769
>gook here
Nice try blanco nino
>>64064746
Look at the catalog faggot.
Look at your precious board.
It's our board now.
>>64064670
I don't mind the threads themselves but why are people retroactively making Lucas and Cameron out to be geniuses?
Lucas didn't direct the better two films in the franchise, no ROTS is not better than ROTJ, and Avatar is still just a mediocre film.
I just want to speculate numbers because it's relevant to what I studied in school and do somewhat in my day to day job. It only becomes annoying when people are looking at TFA break every box office record and saying flop.
>>64064758
Your freaking out about early ratio numbers, For Avatar the foreign total was 411 mil, Domestic was 212.
That's a 35:65 ratio and it finished at 27:73. The ratios are not set in stone and TFA is breaking Domestic records, of course the early ratio numbers are going to be in favor of the US.
Also we don't have completely accurate foreign data, relax.
>>64064590
>this entire post
I think we all realise every major blockbuster in its first week of weekdays did better both domestically and overseas than ANY single weekday stretch in avatar's theatrical run. You can say that about The Avengers, you can say it about Jurassic World, fuck you can probably even say it about Minions.
All the "analysis" you've done boils down to saying that if these first-week weekday numbers hold out for significantly longer than they do for the average blockbuster, then TFA will beat Avatar. No fucking shit. By the same way you've concluded that TFA CAN beat avatar, you can conclude that any major blockbuster released in the last 5 years can beat avatar. None of them have, because they are blockbusters, they make 30-40% of their gross during their opening weekend and 90% by the end of the 5th. Suggesting that any movie other than Avatar/Titanic can hold out as long as they did is ridiculous reaching because no blockbuster has ever done it, and there's absolutely no reason to think that TFA will. It's doing well because of Christmas, that's it.
Here in Italy I went to see it at 11 PM after work and the theatre was half-empty, like 50-60 people, and this was last Sunday.
People here would rather go see the latest domestic comedy movie than Star Wars for some reasons.
I was happy though because I dodged annoying teenagers and I also managed to smuggle a couple beers in the theatre.
>>64061656
it'll make $300m in china. more than avatar did.
>>64064886
Mate TFA threads have already significantly slowed down and it hasn't even been a week yet. By the 2nd week of January there'll barely be a trace of star wars on the front page and probably a bunch on pages 6-10 with no replies. It's the trademark of a soulless blockbuster movie that leaves no impact whatsoever.
>>64065042
But that's incorrect, Avatar was doing comparatively the same as JW and The Avengers in the foreign dailies.
Look at the numbers on Box Office Mojo, they're all there.
Avatar made 1 billion dollars as fast as the Avengers did without having China so actually Avatar did better day by day.
The situation we have now is TFA is doing better day by day than any film to come before it, unlike JW which pulled Avatar numbers for a week and then fell of the map, TFA is breaking records and pulling in daily numbers 2-4 times higher than those of JW/Avengers/F7 and Avatar.
Even if the numbers drop 50% in the next week in many areas it's still going to be doing better than Avatar, yet somehow you guys are trying to make it out to be like Avatar was not also a monolith Blockbuster in its first weeks and TFA is flopping
Fucking 4chan revisionist.
>>64064904
>Your freaking out about early ratio numbers, For Avatar the foreign total was 411 mil, Domestic was 212.
Avatar's opening weekend was 31.9% domestic, 68.1% overseas. By the end of its theatrical run it was 27.3%/72.7%, and the only reason it changed so much was because it was grossing so consistently for so long. Every other major blockbuster settles pretty much exactly at its final ratio by the end of the 3rd weekend, provided it has opened in every major market by then. That should be obvious - once a movie has made a significant (70-80%) portion of its total gross,then the domestic/overseas ratio will not move much at all.
If you look at TFA's numbers, it opened with 46.9%/53.1%, and has actually become more domestically-loaded as the weekdays go on, ending up at 47.5%/52.5% at the end of wednesday. That's the exact opposite of what you want to happen.
>>64065453
>32/68
Yes and then it went to 35/65 second week.
OH NO THE DOMESTIC WENT UP, CLEARLY AVATAR FLOPPED IN THE FOREIGN MARKET.
The thing about TFA is, it's breaking Domestic records. If you pasted the foreign figures for the same time frame as Avatar onto TFA you'd have similar figures, actually fuck ill do it right now.
TFA Domestic(6 day total): $363,460,329
Avatar Foreign(1 week):$258,900,499
OH NO LOOK AT THAT RATIO!!!!!!
Also you're comparing an accurate 6 day number to a number that hasn't been updated for the foreign countries, like ffs learn to statistics.
Last point to be made, in the same time frame as Avatar(actually 2 days less since the foreign numbers are 5 days statistics for TFA, also some are only opening weekend and the numbers are still low ball estimates, but I digress) Star wars made 142 million more dollars.
In the same time frame Jurassic world made 216,952,740, this number is without China because neither Avatar or TFA had China in their first week Foreign total. So yeah, Avatar did better than JW at the Foreign Box Office.
I don't see how TFA doing better significantly in Domestic than any film that came before it has any bearing on it flopping.
>>64065424
There are no such thing as "foreign dailies" on boxofficemojo and no website has access to that information for any movie. The only thing you'll find on boxofficemojo is the by-country weekend haul for every weekend of a film's run.
>The situation we have now is TFA is doing better day by day than any film to come before it
Wow, just like Avengers, just like Jurassic World. Wait hang on a minute, you say JW pulled avatar numbers for a week and then fell of the map? Not only is this wrong, but we haven't even SEEN past the first week of TFA's gross yet, so why you're writing off JW and calling TFA record-breaking is beyond me.
Avatar hadn't outpaced JW domestically until the end of its tenth weekend at the box office, overseas by the end of its 5th.
>TFA is breaking records and pulling in daily numbers 2-4 times higher than those of JW/Avengers/F7 and Avatar.
Avatar is irrelevant in this discussion. 2-4x higher is an absurd exaggeration. Overall, TFA is doing maybe 20% better than its nearest competition at the same points in its run domestically, and 15% internationally. If you're not delusional you can chalk this up to it being the Christmas weekend. As I have said multiple times, expect huge drops in the coming weeks putting TFA back on the "normal blockbuster" schedule.
>Even if the numbers drop 50% in the next week in many areas it's still going to be doing better than Avatar
How many times do you have to be told that avatar never had a record-breaking week? It doesn't hold any speed records until its fucking 10th+ week in cinemas where it becomes the fastest to $700m domestically or whatever. TFA doing better than Avatar in its first WEEK of release like literally every other blockbuster. It'll probably do better than avatar for the first 3 or 4 and then drop off. All of this is completely irrelevant to total box office takings.
>>64066056
You can estimate the foreign dailies by the differential between the overall week and the weeknd. It's even easier to tell know because we saw the monday and tuesday data get posted and I can just compare it to cached post when it was just the monday numbers.
As I point out here >>64065740
Avatar was actually doing better, we can check these numbers easily because Box Office Mojo has the weekly numbers and weekend totals, just subtract the weekend totals off the second week and we have a number that's equal to about what we'd have for TFA now or any other film we want to compare. I was also talking about foreign box office, context clues.
Yes, TFA is doing 2-4 times better in the dailies in some territories. I'm not going to post number because you can check Box Office Mojo yourself and I'm also right in every other part of this post so fuck it.
As I pointed out, Avatar beat out Jurassic World if you take away China, which Avatar did not have. until it's 3rd week.
> It doesn't hold any speed records until its fucking 10th+ week
Also Avatar was the fast film to reach 1 billion dollars at the time, how fucking retarded are you
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2015/4/furious-7-speeds-past-avatar-to-take-fastest-1billion-box-office-gross-world-rec-377519
Avengers tied with it while also having China, which Avatar did not have so Avatar did it faster. F7 was the first film to beat this record holy shit you're stupid.
>>64066271
I also want to add to first part of my post, yes the foreign numbers are slightly inaccurate and we should all wait until the weekend before making any actual statements, however if retards are going to make claims that TFA is flopping I'm going to use the data I have.
TFA is pulling better Domestic numbers, and relative foreign numbers. In the Avatar might still win but you people aren't right making false equivalencies and comparing numbers inaccurately.
People can't act like Avatar was pulling mediocre numbers in its first weeks though, it was the fastest movie to 1 billion dollars, it broke records, holy fuck you people are deluded.
>until it's 3rd week
I'm saying here that Avatar didn't come to China until it's third week, I'm not talking about foreign totals for the movies just to be clear.
>>64065740
>creating a ratio between the domestic 6-day takings from one film and the overseas 7-day takings of another, completely unrelated film
You've gone off the deep end. What does this prove?
>Also you're comparing an accurate 6 day number to a number that hasn't been updated for the foreign countries, like ffs learn to statistics.
No the data I've used is completely up-to-date both domestically and overseas. Source: https://twitter.com/giteshpandya/status/680076950396899329
>actually 2 days less since the foreign numbers are 5 days statistics for TFA, also some are only opening weekend and the numbers are still low ball estimates, but I digress
You're a fool that takes boxofficemojo data seriously. I know exactly what you're doing, you're looking at this page (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=starwars7.htm) and seeing that some of the individual countries only has data accurate from the 20th/22nd. That is completely irrelevant. The only number that matters is the foreign total, $402.4m, accurate as of WEDNESDAY. You'll find if you add up all the individual grosses from each country that the total doesn't come anywhere near $402m, because the data is clearly out-of-date for most countries. If you think they've just added up all those mismatched stats accurate as of Sunday/Monday/Tuesday to produce a total overall gross that's accurate as of Wednesday then you're dumb as fuck.
>(...) So yeah, Avatar did better than JW at the Foreign Box Office.
"Avatar hadn't outpaced JW domestically until the end of its tenth weekend at the box office, overseas by the end of its 5th."
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=avatar.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=jurassicpark4.htm
>blah blah blah flopping
Who even used that word? TFA is not "flopping" but it's not going to get close to Avatar at the box office. That's the end of it.
>>64066422
>You've gone off the deep end. What does this prove?
That the ratio doesn't matter, TFA is doing better domestically and internationally. Why is the ratio so important then?
I want to just focus on the absolute totals.
>No the data I've used is completely up-to-date both domestically and overseas.
I'll trust you on this one then
>the foreign total, $402.4m, accurate as of WEDNESDAY.
Which means TFA is doing better in Foreign than Avatar did in the same time frame.
>but but mawh ratio
>"Avatar hadn't outpaced JW domestically until the end of its tenth weekend at the box office, overseas by the end of its 5th."
You're comparing the Box Office with China, Avatar wasn't released in China in the same time frame.
>Who even used that word?
Ctrl + F Flop
Multiple results that aren't me
Ok
Also
>fool for using BOM
>you also use BOM to make point
Top kek
>>64066664
>tfw so close to get
Let me just sum up my points in one post, maybe people are getting confused and I want to be concise.
Don't even bother reading this previous post because it's easier if I just restate everything
>Avatar had record for fastest grossing film
>Tied with Avengers
>Didn't lose record till Fast 7
>Jurassic World Foreign total without China in first week is less than Avatar(which had no China cause not released yet) in first week
>TFA has better Foreign Total than Avatar by 140 mil with 1 less day and also no China as well
>TFA has better Domestic Total than Avatar in same time frame
>TFA is doing better than JW/F7/Avengers by a significant margin so they are not comparable blockbusters
All of these statements are facts. All of these statements give no indication that TFA would die down or do worse than Avatar.
I disagree with the idea that
>Avatar did not perform like a normal blockbuster in it's first few weeks
Avatar was outperforming most comparable blockbusters if you take out China from those weeks since Avatar did not have China.
Avatar then sunk to normal blockbuster numbers but the difference between Avatar and every film before it was that the drop off stopped and it was losing a few percent per week/weekend instead of double digit numbers.
We can't make a statement about TFA losing to Avatar until we see second/third week/weekend numbers.
>>64066664
>That the ratio doesn't matter
Yeah ok then, let's keep on at this 50/50 ratio for the entire theatrical run of the movie. It'll only have to make $1.4b domestically to equal avatar!
>Which means TFA is doing better in Foreign than Avatar did in the same time frame.
So did Deathly Hallows Part 2, not released in China until later. Made $1.3b worldwide or some weak shit. It would be unfair and nonsensical to talk about anything other than the first week of DHII's theatrical run because we haven't even seen what drops await TFA in the same period.
I didn't say you were a fool for using boxofficemojo, I said you were a fool for believing they actually summed up the country totals when they only had opening weekend stats for most of them and up until the 22nd for most others. What kind of a fucking stat would that be? A floor and that's it. Pay attention to the total overseas gross which is updated daily; the only individual country stats you'll get after this week are weekend ones.
TFA WONT HAVE HALF THE LEGS AVATAR HAD
AFTER THE NEW YEAR WEEKEND ITS GONNA BE DEAD IN THE WATER
IF YOU ADJUST FOR INFLATION SINCE 2009 AVATAR RAPES IT EVEN HARDER
>>64066925
I agree with you in the second part. We shouldn't say anything until we see second/third week numbers and see the drops, but the ratio argument is retarded.
You're assuming the ratio is this strict all-binding force. Movies don't have to behave predictably, that's how Avatar became the highest grossing movie of all time remember?
Star Wars is doing incredibly domestically, like better than any film ever.
It's also doing better than any film ever internationally even without taking out China from the total of other movies. Without I don't understand what your obsession is with the ratio when the absolute numbers tell the full story.
But I guess because TFA isn't pulling like 800,000,000 foreign in 1 week, which would be like double the film with the number 1 7-day foreign box office figures, it's not even going to come close to Avatar.
You're clearly intelligent, what point are you trying to make?
Do you guys think it will surpass The Avengers?
>>64066892
>Jurassic World Foreign total without China in first week is less than Avatar in first week
Not even true; see pic. 590-168 > 410. End of 2nd weekend.
>TFA has better Foreign Total than Avatar by 140 mil with 1 less day and also no China as well
Not even true; no idea where figures come from. Avatar at $410m by end of second weekend, TFA $404m end of first Wednesday, 4 days to go until end of 2nd weekend. Outpacing significantly because avatar first week overseas not impressive in 2015; see above, even JW beat it. Also Christmas weekend is only thing causing it to outpace JW first week overseas.
>TFA has better Domestic Total than Avatar in same time frame
One thing you've actually got correct. Doesn't prove anything, dozens of blockbusters have outpaced avatar in first week especially, some even do it for 10 (JW). Still no movie beat avatar domestic run
>TFA is doing better than JW/F7/Avengers by a significant margin so they are not comparable blockbusters
They are comparable. how many times. It's Christmas period; every box office day behaves like a Friday. if TFA release in summer, similar numbers and drops to JW. Will have huge drops when holiday period is over and will eventually level out with normal blockbusters. Absolutely no reasons to suggest so far it will do significantly better in longevity than generic blockbuster. No, strong weekdays are not a sign of this - how many times? Christmas period is the only reason.
>All of these statements are facts.
You got 4/7 at least
>Avatar was outperforming most comparable blockbusters if you take out China from those weeks since Avatar did not have China.
Removing china from 2015 blockbuster significantly more effect that removing from avatar. china not big market in 2009, barely contributed 1/10 of total overseas gross to avatar
>We can't make a statement about TFA losing to Avatar until we see second/third week/weekend numbers.
yes we can. it's not doing high enough overseas; may outpace avatar to start with like JW but won't last long. again, no indication of longer than usual legs for TFA. prob. will break domestic but come nowhere near close to overseas. stop acting as if TFA is the first movie to outpace avatar overseas; proven above it's not
>>64061421
I still have hope too.
Avatards and trolls passing for Avatards are fucking unbearable.
>>64067179
>Movies don't have to behave predictably
and yet tfa has done nothing but behave predictably by completely flatlining the domestic/overseas ratio for its entire first week
>>64061421
Its going to make a killing on christmas.
>>64067179
More retarded foreign numbers
Avatar with second weekend: $410,864,537
Jurassic world with second weekend: $590,416,030. No China: 421956030
Fast 7 with second weekend: $553,727,996. No China:490227996
TFA with no second weekend or Thursday: 402,400,000
Only thing to note is Fast 7's great numbers, although it did relatively poorly in terms of Domestic
>>64067319
Yes
>>64067407
>Not even true; see pic. 590-168 > 410. End of 2nd weekend.
I didn't use the second weekend numbers, I used the numbers without second weekend because we don't have second weekend numbers for TFA and I was trying to compare all 3/4 at once also I said 1 week, not 10 days, not two weekends. You are correct, Jurassic World was making more money if you look at it in terms of weekends but once again Avatar was not out in China.
Dozens of movies outpacing Avatar is a retarded statement, two movies have made money faster than Avatar. Maybe 3 if we technically count the Avengers which made 1 billion in the same amount of days.
>not impressive in 2015
Avatar's foreign total with no China is pretty fucking good numbers. 410,000,000 second weekend total would be great for any blockbuster.Too bad we don't have China opening weekend/second weekend totals for Avatar, It would really contribute to the discussion.
I don't know what your arguing anymore, Avatar was pulling record breaking blockbuster numbers when it came out, the numbers are comparable to the same numbers as JW or the Avengers. TFA is pulling better numbers than all of these movies. We can't make a claim about it's longevity sure, but you can't argue it's doing worse than any other movie.
>>64067575
]>>64067438
>ratio
>ratio
>ratio
Don't focus on the ratio/ percentages and focus on absolutes. Like by your logic if TFA had a worse domestic gross it would do better overall. That makes no fucking sense.
On the second point
Avatar got 200,000,000 of its gross from China
Jurassic World got 228,000,000
These numbers are similar and we can postulate that Avatar would have performed better had it come out in China at the same time as the rest of the world, just like we can infer that Jurassic World would have performed comparatively worse if it had no China.
>Not doing high enough overseas
>>64067981
With 4 less days and one less fucking weekend, TFA is pulling in numbers comparable to every film on that list. If TFA did Jurassic World Numbers it's second weekend, it would make another 100,000,000 and that's with no China.
>>64064128
>Russia
The fuck are you talking about? It's doing fantastic. It's ruble that's total shit. It's worth 2 times less than it was f year ago.
>>64061421
>>64067608
I feel like a lot of people that saw it with friends opening weekend are gonna see it again on Christmas with family that may or may not have also already seen it.
>>64067039
It doesn't NEED half the legs to youngling Avatar. There's ABSOLUTELY no way it doesn't destroy it at this point, no matter how much desperate jimfags cry on /tv/
>>64061176
>Rice Mix the movie, blew out Ubermensch Pratt's Wacky Jurassic Park Adventure
>Disney is spinning in his grave
>MFW
