With all the speculation going on about snoke, can someone clear up some questions for me ?
>1. Does the rule allow for multiple sets of sith lords and apprentices or is it ONLY one apprentice and one master
>2. Is the rule still in effect after vader effectively ended the current ruling line of the siths by killing sidius and then dying?
>3.what would you call someone who isn't a sith lord or apprentice who is still a lightsaber user and affiliated with the dark side?
1. Just one set
2. There needs to be a guy. One to hold the power and the other to want it, iirc.
3. I would assume they are learning the dark side from someone. So apprentice. If not then idk
>>64034880
they abandoned lots of 'wiki' stuff from the prequels, like the basic force powers, the force is now back into being unlimited power, hence people stopping time/reading minds.
This was part of the effort JarJar went tru to give the new movie the original trilogy vibe
I got Kylo Ren is just fallen to the dark side/he's an edgy autist
>>64034880
>3.
I'd call them a Sith Neophyte.
>no sith lords in forever
>sith lords are our specialty.
>jedi master gets hit by chair give up entire galaxy
>sith is unironically just 2 guys
Rule of 2 died when Sheev died.
What a stupid fucking thread, look it up you idiot
The problem with the rule of two is that its just not sustainable and has many flaws.
If it's literally only two then you can't sustain that for a thousand years. Remember when Vadar and Palpatine died within the same hour? You think thats the first time it opened since the rule first came into effect a thousand years prior?
Also was Snooke just like I wanna be a sith lord but I have to wait till one of the two current guys dies?
Is there a force waiting list for the sith?
Also it isn't technically canon but remember Vadar had is own apprentice.
The rule of two makes more sense when its per person. IE you can have a master and an apprentice, but your master can't know you have an apprentice.
>>64034880
>>64035642
1. One master, one apprentice, but the apprentice would usually train one or more of his own apprentices in preparation for the day they'd usurp their master, although these third-tier dark side users were not considered Sith themselves (usually). For example, the legends-canon had Darth Vader secretly train an apprentice named Galen Marek, while he himself was under apprenticeship of Darth Sidious, but Marek was not a Sith. An exception is when (in what is now ambiguously canon) Darth Plagueis mastered over Darth Sidious who mastered over Darth Maul, which violated the Rule of Two, but was accepted by Plagueis because Maul was always treated as an expendable Sith who could die on any of the suicide missions he was sent on.
Darth Tyranus, better known as Count Dooku, had his own amount of apprentice acolytes for when he planned on usurping Sidious, including Asajj Ventress and Savage Oppress, but they were not considered Sith. The Empire under Sidious and Vader would have several dark side force users act as Inquisitors whose job it was to hunt down the remaining Jedi and other force users for recruitment/execution, but these were not trained as Sith apprentices and thus were never set to become Sith themselves.
2. Seeing as there is no successor to the Sith "lineage" ended by Vader and Sidious, and the fact that Snoke and Kylo do not appear to practice Sith beliefs while still being de facto representation of the dark side at present, it would appear that the Sith (and the Rule of Two with them) appears to be dead. At least for now.
3. "Dark Jedi", even if they were never Jedi to begin with, according to new canon rules. Asajj Ventress is described as such. However, Mace Windu has a unique form of lightsaber combat in which he flirts with the dark side to give him unrivaled combat ability , and is not known as a "dark Jedi". Any other individual who attempted to learn this style either failed, turned to the dark side, or was already dank.
>darth sidious
>sidious
>insidious
>he is literally acting in an insidious way
Holyyyy sheeeeeeit
reminder that Darth Bane came up with the rule of two
>>64035668
I was just about to put my vast and now pointless knowledge of the EU and history of the Sith to good use for once but you summed it up pretty damn well. The Rule of Two worked for an extremely long time so it really isn't nearly as flawed as the second anon you're replying to would like to believe.
>>64034880
>Canonically it's just 1 set as the dark side is kinda like the greed ring but the sith always want an apprentice to pass on the dark side teachingsbut the apprentice always ends up killing them so idk, sometimes sith will go a while by themselves but i think the dark side overpowers them then and then more force users start getting pulled to them
>Who knows
>Dark Jedi that know the power of the dark side so they try to tap into it without using true sith teachings, they might not even be completely evilkylo said he felt the light and not that he didn't wanna feel it but that he needed the darkness. Idk why he feels the need to get more power at any means yet, it might just be a craving or he is just trying to protect something.
>>64035730
I think that was the rule of 4
>>64035767
>>64035668
1. So what happens if some far away hermit force user stumbles upon a sith relic hologram and learns the way of the dark side of the force. Wouldn't that violate the rule?
2. Imagine how complicated a bloodline would get after a thousand years. Do you really think that at any given time during a thousand years there would be only two sith?
3. What happens if they both die?
its just lucas being lucas.
>ben wore farmer clothes
>now all jedi wear farmer clothes.
>luke practiced with that helmet and blaster thing on hans ship
>now all younglings do
>darth vader used a jedi weapon
>now all sith use jedi weapons
>>64035767
It's okay anon, we're in this boat together. RIP EU. Hope some good stuff slips through the cracks and resurfaces as canon.
You can go answer >>64035832 questions if you want.
The Rule of 2 is autistic fan interpretation.
>>64034880
The rule of 2 is just some dumb prequel shit Lucas made up.
It doesn't work at all in the practice of making Star wars movies and side shows.
For instance in Rebels they needed an evil force user. But you have this sily rule of 2. So instead they are inquisitors.
I hope they just skip the contrived dogmas of both the Jedia and the Sith in the new movies.
>>64035642
>Also it isn't technically canon but remember Vadar had is own apprentice.
a lot of times too iirc.
>>64034880
1. Just one set. Darth Bane set up this rule, as all previous incarnations of the Sith ended up killing each other.
2. Dunno, depends if Snoke is Plagueis or not.
3. Usually they're called 'Dark Jedi'. The Sith aren't the only Dark Side users in the galaxy, there are lots of Dark Siders that don't follow Sith philosophy. Some become followers of the Sith, without being Sith themselves.
>>64034880
1. Just one
2. No clue
3. Sith inquisitor
>just one
Then explain this
Maul is the apprentice of Dooku
BUT Dooku IS/WAS the apprentice of Sidiuos
How something like this is possible? Did Sidiuos just stopped being a sith for a while?
BUT when Anakin killed Dooku there was only Palpatine/Sidiuos left
But at some point all four siths were alive
Maul, Dooku, Siduous and Jar Jar
???
>>64036397
dookie took on a secret apprentice, if sidious knew he would probably have killed him then and there
>>64036397
yeah it's fucking dumb.
It should just be a pyramid hierarchy. The sith would be able to accomplish way more that way.
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>>64036630
it was a puyramid. literally.
but then people started infighting. Because wehn you are on the quest for UNLIMITED POWER, you'll soon come too realize you must no be bogged down by hierachies and obligations nor rules.
Then some nigga named Bane joined the Sith and wiped out all of them, Order 66 style.
And he came up with the Rule of Two for his future following after his death
I'll let Sheev himself explain you what it consists of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hBZNsPnyg
>>64036397
Dookie was a Jedi and learned of the Siths plan. He thought he could use the dark side and get more info and stop the plan. This is why he tells obi wan that the sith took control of the senate.
Sidious doesnt want to be discovered by the Jedi so he gets dookie to train maul too keep his shit on the DL. Maul was always a pawn from the get go. Maul knew what he was and thats why he was so dominate. He knew he was going to die so he had nothing to lose or fear. When Anikin came into play palpatine seen how much stronger he naturally was compared to everyone else. So he naturally ditched dookie for teh stronger more naive and easily controlled kid.
>>64035668
>Savage Oppress
Who names this shit.
Snoke and Kylo aren't Sith you imbeciles
>>64037667
This.
The Emperor abolished the Rule of Two and replaced it with the Rule of One, intending to live forever.
>>64034880
>3.what would you call someone who isn't a sith lord or apprentice who is still a lightsaber user and affiliated with the dark side?
Dark Jedi.
>>64036397
>>64036630
1. Darth Maul was never the apprentice of Darth Tyranus
2. There can be multiple Sith at once. It violates the Rule of Two, but it has happened a few times. There used to be hundreds of Sith at once before the rule was put in place.
3. Everything if legends canon:
> Unnamed Sith master has two apprentices, the rightful Sith apprentice Darth Plagueis, and a secret apprentice "Darth" Venamis (arguably a Rule violation)
> Darth Plagueis kills his master
> Darth Plagueis kills "Darth" Venamis
> Darth Plagueis becomes the master of Darth Sidious
> Darth Sidious becomes the master of Darth Maul (Rule violation, three Sith exist at once)
> Darth Sidious kills Darth Plagueis
> Darth Maul is nearly killed by Obi-Wan
> Darth Maul vanishes, assumed dead
> Darth Sidious becomes the master of Darth Tyranus
> Darth Tyranus becomes the master of Asajj Ventress (no violation, did not become Sith)
> Darth Sidious commands Darth Tyranus to kill Asajj Ventress, he complies but she escapes
> Darth Tyranus becomes the master of Savage Oppress (no violation, did not become Sith)
> Darth Maul resurfaces thanks to the efforts of Savage Oppress, his brother
> Darth Maul becomes the master of Savage Oppress claiming to be the rightful Sith (Rule violation, four Sith exist at once)
> Darth Sidious personally kills Savage Oppress
> Darth Sidious personally captures Darth Maul
> Darth Maul escapes, status unknown
> Darth Tyranus becomes the master of Quinlan Vos (no violation, did not become Sith)
> Quinlan Vos attempts to kill Darth Tyranus
> Darth Tyranus attempts to kill both Quinlan Vos and Asajj Ventress, succeeding in killing the latter
> Quinlan Vos returns to being a Jedi, status unknown
> Darth Sidious, disguised as Senator Palpatine, commands Anakin Skywalker to kill Darth Tyranus
> Darth Sidious becomes the master of Anakin Skywalker, now named Darth Vader
> Darth Vader kills Darth Sidious, but he himself dies in part due to his duel with Luke Skywalker
> ???
>>64034880
Snoke and kylo are not sith lords, just dark side users. Sith are a specific cult of dark side users
So what is the Sith exactly then?
>>64037819
Actually, this is pretty much current canon, minus the first few. Legends would have to include a shitton more Tyranus apprentices, Galen Marek, and so on. My mistake.
>>64037748
True, but it never came into fruition because he died before his own apprentice did.
>>64037911
Originally, a race of red aliens who were strong in the force and used as slaves by evil ex-Jedi who sought to use the dark side to gain power. Over the millenia, the cultures of the Sith species and these "dark Jedi" intermixed, eventually resulting in a cult of dark side individuals who were always hellbent on destroying the Jedi and lusting for power. Many Sith leaders rose and fell, changing how the Sith organized themselves, but the primary goals were always the same. But then, when the Sith were faced with ruining themselves through internal conflict, one named Darth Bane put in place the Rule of Two. This meant that the Sith would be regulated to just one master and one apprentice at any given time, acting as a way for the Sith lineage to continue without the threat of it collapsing on itself. Apprentices were expected to take their master's place, either by waiting for them to die or killing them personally, and obtain their own apprentice who would continue the cycle.
>>64037819
What if Vader threw Sheev down the well, not to save Luke, but to become the lord of the Sith himself, so he could trick Luke, then technically Grandmaster of the Jedi order, into taking off his mask, killing him? Luke knew Vader would die without his mask, but wanted his father to "see him once with his own eyes". He was basically Vader's apprentice without knowing it by acknowledging he is his father and theres still good in him, but what if what just a sith trick?Luke is the Sith Lord
Has the force ever been balanced?
>>64038543
Force can never be in balance. Dark Side is just so much more powerful.
1. Only one apprentice and one master, it was put in place because Sith tended to infight and power struggle. That being said, they broke it all the time. (Sheev had Dooku while grooming Annie, Dooku was training Greivous, etc.)
2. The chain was effectively ended with Palpatine and Vader both dead
3. Dark Jedi
>>64038543
But Anakin was to restore balance to the force
>>64038595
>>64038543
Anakin was supposed to bring balance to the force, he did.
>All of the Jedi are killed until there's only Yoda / Obi-Wan left along with two Sith: Sheev / Anakin.
Of course, the EU shits all over this by having 50 Donut Steels who survived the Jedi holocaust.
>>64035805
>Idk why he feels the need to get more power at any means yet
Because some other char we haven't met fucked up the new jedis and luke couldn't stop it, so Kylo is looking for power and revenge anyway he can get it.
>>64037304
How the fuck do old people move so majestically with light sabres?
Is it just down to 'the force lmao'
>>64037819
This shit is interesting, I didn't know there could only be two Sith at a time.
Does anything bad happen for breaking the rule, or is it just basically religious scripture?
Also
>Darth Tyranus becomes the master of Savage Oppress (no violation, did not become Sith)
What's the difference to being trained by a Sith and becoming a Sith?
>>64037304
Is that a fucking darksaber?
>>64037819
What does "become a Sith" mean? Just the Darth name and to be a successor?
I feel like they never did anything with the Sith in the movies to warrant calling them something special.
I always expected there would something more in prequels but nope, just a guy and another guy, but they the sith, but nobody knows that, accept the jedi and Palpatine FOR SOME REASON.
It erked me when Sheev calls Duko a "sith lord".
Why? Did he get Sith Land and sith tenants?
Nope, he was a jedi now he's jewi
>>64035730
is he canon?
Friendly reminder that Snoke is Darth Vader and Sheev made him immortal in episode 6
>>64038642
/thread
>>64038846
>What's the difference to being trained by a Sith and becoming a Sith?
throwaway brute/lifelong successor
you don't teach your sikrets to everyone but one :^)
So the Sith are dark jedi, but dark jedi arent necessarily sith, correct?
>>64039025
yes
First of all, practically all of this is non-canon.
Second of all, speculation about whether there can be more than one set of two is fucking stupid. It is a galaxy. More than 2 dark force users will exist at any given time. It cannot be enforced as a rule. Who the fuck would enforce that?
There is no "ruling line" of siths, there is just palpatine who happened to become emperor.
I mean, all these questions you're asking are based on some assumtpion that there is someone who enforces "rules" about sith and there's some sort of official title or whatever. Otherwise it makes no sense. So the questions make 0 sense.
>>64035933
>Always two, there are. A master, and an apprentice.
Nigger did you even watch The Phantom Memeace
Unlikely
No
Dark jedi, sorcerer, wizard, or witch
>>64039288
Yes.
>>64041045
He just meant that the bad guy must have been trained by someone. That's it.
RULES ARE FOR FAGS
SNOKE DOES WHAT SNOKE WANTS
>>64035820
Oh u
>>64034880
Rule of Two is the stupidest thing ever and only serves to limit plot potential.
>oh hey you remember that side of the force that literally revolves around doing what you feel?
>there's only allowed to be two of them at one time ever because clearly these guys give a fuck about following rules
>>64035668
>Mace Windu has a unique form of lightsaber combat in which he flirts with the dark side to give him unrivaled combat ability , and is not known as a "dark Jedi"
But he is literally a dark Jedi. badumtss
>This guy gives up to Palpatine
>Runs away
>Never even thinks about training another Jedi till luke shows up
>Oh he saw this all coming
Yoda is one of the worst jedi in the series.
>>64041180
SNOKE SMASH
Rule of 2 is a load of crap, why do people even care
>>64038871
its a force sword or something
energy weapon for nobles, non-force users
>>64041381
I know. Expecting dark side users, who by their very nature are selfish, to follow set rules governing master/apprentice relationships is just absurd. A hierarchy determined by fear and oppression would make more sense.
>>64038769
Dark side literally gives you power over life, according to Sheev.
>>64038846
>Does anything bad happen for breaking the rule, or is it just basically religious scripture?
It's just to ensure Siths remain hidden. Before they were hundreds of Siths and they all killed each other in wars for power, so the last survivor created the rule of two to ensure Siths will stay strongs (as an apprentice have to overthrow its master) and secretive.
