"The issue was ultimately, they looked at the stories and they said, 'We want to make something for the fans,'" Lucas said. "I said, 'All I wanted to do was tell a story of what happened--it started here and it went there. It's all about generations and the issues of fathers and sons and grandfathers.
"It's a family soap opera," he added. "People don't realize it's actually a soap opera and it's all about family problems--it's not about spaceships. So they decided they didn't want to use those stories; they decided they were going to do their own thing so I decided, 'Fine.'"
those fucking assholes
damn..
>>63974713
>Lucas was ready to make Dallas in space a thing
Why Disney Why
George is a terrible liar.
>>63974713
It would have been shit if he directed it and you know it
>>63974713
>issues of fathers and sons and grandfathers
That really is what Star Wars is about. From Luke finding a father figure in Obi Want, to him finding out that Vader is his actual father.
And of course in the prequels, there's the relationship between Obi Wan and Qui Gon Jin, and later the relationship between Obi Wan and Anakin.
>>63974976
Not worse than The Capeshit Awakens atleast. Hell, George did ok with ROTS. He was aware of some of the criticism to the earlier prequel movies.
>>63974713
When did he say this? Because during the prequels in an interview he said he will never do ep7
>>63974976
So don't have him direct it, the man has good ideas he just needs help focusing them
>>63974713
>It's all about generations and the issues of fathers and sons and grandfathers
Isn't that exactly what TFA was?
>>63974976
Of course it would be, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have used some of his story ideas.
Lucas came up with the general stories to the Star Wars and Indiana Jones films, which were great because other people executed and made the film, it's his execution that's the problem.
>>63974976
George is a good director, so you're wrong
Episode 7 had abysmal directing
>>63975065
Look at the retarded shit being spewed and Lucas just says "yeah yeah sure sure but this is what it needs to be"
>>63974713
>it's actually a soap opera and it's all about family problems--it's not about spaceships
>it's not about spaceships
Oh Lucas, you're so full of shit
>>63975094
>Sand. It's coarse and rough and it get's everywhere.
>Good director.
>>63975094
George put on a tripcode
>>63975094
>George is a good director
>shot reverse shot ad nauseam
epic
>>63975127
/tv/ has turned into the most insufferable fucking board. Lucas, a man who has shown that he has a fundamental misunderstanding on directing and writing human characters, is saying that he wanted it to be a duxking soap opera in Space and /tv/ is so far up its own ass its hard to tell whether people believe he would have made a good movie (he wouldn't) or if its just shit posting.
>>63975127
Yeah but Spielberg actually did the girl thing with Indiana's whip.
>>63975127
>you'll never be besties with Spielberg and engage in autistic banter with him
>>63974713
That sounds legitimately awful.
>>63975155
It was elegant, balanced and appropriate compared to the heap of shit we got with TFA
George is a visual guy
J.J. clearly is not
>>63975013
>George did ok with ROTS
Only in the way that we were all relieved when that movie ended. All the prequels were shit.
>>63975220
I imagine it's 50 percent trolling and 50 percent sincerity.
As is most things on this board.
>>63975360
You are so full of shit you should actually kill yourself
>>63975360
yeah why do all JJ movies feel the same camera-wise?
is it all the close up shots?
>>63974713
No it's not
Let me explain something to these young ladies and feminists in general.
The Force awakens is not a feminist film.
It is a film about a lonely mentally ill girl who imprints on a dark stranger who lies to get her off her home planet and an old man she uses as a substitute father.
Due to their incompetence and abandoning of her on a foreign world (the reality is Finn leaves for the outer rim, solo and chewbacca got out of there) she is knocked unconscious (the trio fighting storm troopers and the Resistance arrival is a fantasy) taken aboard a ship where a man tells her he can take anything he wants from her then figuratively gets 'inside her' as she is being raped and tortured the girl screams at her attacker he will never be as evil as Darth Vader (a boogeyman) which triggers the rapist who tortures her to death.
At this point we know it's fantasy because she masters using the force in minutes, at a totally unrealistic level. It's all just a dream.
In her moments of dying she fantasies seeing her father figure and the dark stranger again, joining the resistance her lifelong fantasy and saving the galaxy from the First order, in reality she was getting brutalised to death in a cell, and after the fantasy made to cope with the trauma ended, she went over the subconscious waters her mind had always dreamed of ascended a great length of stairs and met the creator of her dreams, her world, a mythical man of divine powers.
You see she died.
The real story of the force awakens is a lonely deranged girl was raped and killed and her corpse thrown out an airlock.
The end
>>63975134
That was a well directed scene though
>>63975065
This right here.
The only bad IDEAS of the prequels were taxation of trade routes and midichlorians.
>>63975386
>I have no rebuttal so I'll tell him to kill himself, that will get me upvotes for sure!
>>63975456
>acting is bad it might as well be a parody
>well directed
are prequel apologists brain damaged?
>>63975424
You completely forgot about the trap Order spy who ratted on the cantina. How could a feminist manifesto have a trans villain? So gendernormie-tive.
>>63975386
you first, underage youtube shitter baby with no sense of aesthetics
>>63975583
Well, you have to be brain damaged to like the prequels in the first place.
>>63975360
but TFA looked a thousand times better than any of the prequel episodes.
>>63975623
> defending the prequels and calling some underaged
That's fucking rich
>>63975522
There were a lot more bad ideas than just the ones you mentioned
>>63974976
It would have been great, but everyone would shit on it.
I would have taken walking and talking scenes and overused CGI over the steaming Pile of JJ we got.
>>63974713
Sounds shit.
I'm sick and tired of hearing about Skywalkers.
I hope Rey will be related to absolutely no important character and will simply be more powerful than any other force user with no explanation whatever. BTFO Lucas.
>>63975607
Apart from C3Po how many droids do you think are teams or openly gay? I think it's disgusting the robots don't have a choice and should be able to choose and display their respective gender parts.
>>63975094
No. He directed 3 movies that were good. Of those three, one was saved by the editing.
George is a GREAT producer, but he's fallen a long way down from the days of American Graffiti.
>>63975723
*trans
I wonder how many defend Lucas/the prequels just to bait people and how many do so because of the autistic desire to shit on the new Star Wars as much as possible
>>63974713
I doubt he has any good ideas left. The prequels were shit, as is Star Wars in general.
As far as i'm concerned any Star Wars film without George is not real Star Wars.
George IS Star Wars, he created it.
>>63975809
and the movie he has the least control over, empire, is by far the best one. the ones with more control are the worst
it's like poetry
>>63975809
You mean Joseph Campbell
When will people realize the best thing Lucas ever did was Indiana Jones? Fucking Crystal Skull was loads better than any of the prequels.
I feel TFA is going to split the Star Wars fans even more than the prequels did.
Which is probably good. Gives nerds something to argue about for years to come
It hasn't been about actually enjoying the movies for a long time anyway.
>>63975884
Wanna know how I know you're a fuckhead?
>>63975809
Yeah along with thousands of other people in the cast
>>63975809
And Star Wars with him is shit. The less Star Wars a movie is, the better it is. Gotcha.
>>63975670
What bad ideas?
The major failing of the prequels was the execution. NOT the underlying ideas.
>>63975906
Please tell me friend :^)
>>63975065
He's the Akira Toriyama of America and vice versa
>>63974713
lol
what a fucking moron. Completely out of touch.
>>63975744
it's amazing and weird when you think about it actually.
Lucas has directed two movies that are in the National Film Registry (A New Hope, American Graffiti) and contributed significantly to the creation of several more that are there (Indiana Jones and TESB). And he made THX-1138 which is a pretty good movie.
and he's done nothing but shit since. I guess he just doesn't have that much more to say creatively. the divorce (and the antidepressants that followed) and the fact that he became a billionaire fucked him over, artistically speaking.
>>63975867
the real poetry lies in the fact that you and everyone else who spouts the TESB meme are the biggest star wars plebs out there
IV is the best one
V is a toy commercial
>>63976066
eric simbly ebir
>>63976066
>likes prequels
>doesn't recognize empire as the best sw movie
Could you be any more of a contrarian fuckboy?
>>63975944
> four different climaxes at the end if Phantom
> Dexter Jexter and his 50's diner
> Dexter Jexter knowing anything that the Senate nor Jedi Council doesn't know
> all those clones being a clone of Boba Fett's father
> Anakin slicing up and murdering children jedi in your children's space adventure movie
> CGI baclground and extras, hope your actors can play off of literally nothing
The list goes on I'm spit balling here
How is this different from what we saw? The continuing drama of the Skywalker clan. PT has zero human element, he is plain grasping at bullshit.
Seriously between PT and TFA, which was more about CG and which was more about character drama?
>people come out of the woodworks to shitpost after TFA comes out
Color me surprised, most of you come here just to meme about anything inflammatory, it's pathetic.
>>63975944
are you actually, literally saying the plot of phantom menace was a good idea and only failed in execution
fucking lol
>>63976066
Fucking finally, someone said what we were all thinking but were too afraid to say.
Empire has some memorable moments (mostly during the Yoda training sequence) but it's mostly just an hour and a half of random events plot, and then it ends on a cliffhanger. That cliffhanger is fucking offense. After a nice, self-contained story in SW '77 we get a movie that meanders around thoughtlessly before haphazardly ending on a literal advertisement to go see the next movie.
At least Jedi has an actual ending.
>>63974713
Look. I liked TFA if for no other reason than that Abrams is a good mimic and he had Lawrence Kasdan along to create that "Star Wars" feeling. They did a pretty good job.
Rian Johnson, however, is an unknown quantity to me. I feel like this was the last true Star Wars movie we're ever going to get...
>>63976322
What is the cliffhanger in ESB? It is a 100% self contained film.
In all honesty VII is the first ep that ended on cliff
>>63976322
>the second movie in a trilogy ends in a cliffhanger
>the final movie in a trilogy has a real ending
WOW LADS
The core story of the prequels is very good, but the details and the execution are terrible. With TFA we seem to get the opposite: the core of the story is an afterthought, a servant to “cool details” (old characters! new characters! exciting scenes! practical effects! fun details you recognize!) and the execution of them is well done.
>>63976441
This is my favourite meme, when Empire-loving contrarians try to twist their movie's non conclusion into some kind of daring stylistic choice instead of plain old bad writing from Georgie.
>it's the le DARKEST movie in the trilogy, of COURSE it ends on a commercial
>>63976554
>and the execution of them is well done.
No. Not at all. The execution is awful. If you want an example, just look at the destruction of the Republic. No impact. Just a random event that they wanted in because it needs to be a 1:1 of ANH for some absurd reason.
>>63976580
Lucas didn't write the screenplay of Empire
Check mate retard
>>63974998
That continues in TFA between Han and Kylo and, to an extent, Han and Rey.
If Rian Johnson sees as much, then that should be central to Episode VIII. Orphaned Rey should logically look to Luke as a father figure. And Luke would be seen to redeem his failure with Kylo Ren by successfully training Rey.
>>63976322
>trilogy
>the second movie ends on a cliffhanger
>the third movie ending wraps everything up
>this means the third movie is better
do you have fucking brain problems
>>63976219
>Color me
>this shithole tries so hard to be contrarian that there are people genuinely trying to pretend George Lucas is a good director in the current year
Holy fuck, you guys are so unbelievably try hard.
>>63974998
>there's the relationship between Obi Wan and Qui Gon Jin, and later the relationship between Obi Wan and Anakin.
i just realized this literally rhymes
POETRY
>>63975013
lucas pls go
>>63976750
I'm waiting for people to start saying Strange Magic was the best kids movie of the decade and that Red Tails was a masterpiece.
This fucking board
>>63976638
By execution I meant that that scene is well made, and looks impressive, but because it has a vague place in the story it has almost no emotional impact. So, I agree. It’s just another detail they threw in because they figured “I guess we need something emotional to happen now”.
>>63974713
If he cared so much them why did he sell it?
>>63976750
Underage never changes, Matsumoto-san.
>>63976645
>Lucas didn't write the screenplay of Empire
even better
just goes to show how shit TESB really is since it didnt have lucas
>>63976842
>Implying Red Tails wasn't a masterpiece
>>63976694
Yeah. I'm also hoping for a Finn storyline in this vein. He got abducted as a kid and probably doesn't even remember his parents, so there's room there for a father figure storyline.
>>63976750
Personally, Its not that I think George is good. Just better than J.J.
>>63976883
Oh yeah, I see what you mean. Some of the sets and costumes looked pretty nice I guess.
>>63975744
>producer
He's a TERRIBLE PRODUCER. Outside of Star Wars and Indiana Jones what has he ever produced that was good? Strange Magic? Radioland Murders? Howard the Duck?
>>63976954
>Its not that I think George is good. Just better than J.J.
>We will never see Lucas' VII
>A rightful successor that isn't a blatant copypaste, that doesn't steal capeshit memes and doesn't force diversity down our throats
Thanks RLM and Redditors. You made the guy hate himself so much he sold the rights to the most cancerous corporation in showbiz.
>>63976954
> Its not that I think George is good. Just better than J.J.
hiroshima please delete this board already
>>63977003
For Star Wars, definitely. Abrams SW was capeshit with lightsabers.
>>63976938
It beginswill /tv/ consider an oscar bait movie about racism in the army during WW2 patrician?
>>63977047
That's Episode II you're thinking about.
>>63976954
Star Trek Into Darkness is honestly worse than any of the prequels.
>>63977047
I want you now to explain with words why you think this is, and how the prequels were better outside of just havong different ideas, because I can assure you that the prequels fail on almost every single fundamental level of film making
>>63976968
Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters
that's the only one I can think of.
>>63977047
>Abrams SW was capeshit with lightsabers.
>someone is this autistic
>>63977081
No. That's Episode VII. Episode II was bad but atleast it was still Star Wars. Episode VII can literally be called anything without confusing anyone.
>>63975867
Episode IV is the best one though senpai
>>63974713
This is back from '83, around the time his marriage was falling apart and he felt depressed over the amount of shit he had to handle making those movies
>In the sequel Luke would be a 60 year old Jedi knight, Han Solo and Leia would be together, although Lucas says, they might be married or not. We have never actually discussed marriage in this galaxy. I don't even know if it exists yet. Who knows what relationship they will have? I mean, they’re together, let's put it that way. The sequel focuses mainly on Luke, and Lucas says Mark Hamill has the first crack at the part if he is old enough. If the first trilogy is social and political and talks about how society evolves, Lucas says Star Wars is more about personal growth and self realization, and the third deals with moral and philosophical problems. In Star Wars there is a very clear line drawn between good and evil. Eventually you have to face the fact that good and evil aren't that clear cut and the real issue is trying to understand the difference. The sequel is about Jedi knighthood, justice, confrontation, and passing on what you have learned.
>>63977124
There's is literally nothing more capeshit than the Yoda stuff at the end of Episode II.
>>63977112
The prequels atleast had some semblance of original, had a good score, had some decent scenes with Palpatine, Darth Maul and Qui-Gon and an expansion of the SW mythos.
TFA is a ANH copypaste, adds literally nothing to the mythos but ANH pasta and then forces some out of place jokes and characters down our throats because hey, it's 2015! Star Wars is no longer just for white geeks!
>>63975127
>Kasdan
Errytime
>>63975127
did you read the whole thing? Lucas is a fucking genius and was pretty much 100 percent the reason for Indiana Jones being so good. Confirms people who say he got lucky with Star Wars are full of shit
>>63975583
>are prequel apologists brain damaged?
Not necessarily, but /tv/ users are.
>>63977140
No it isn't. It's a clunky cheap looking sci-fi movie saved by editing and a good John Williams score.
>>63977226
top pleb
confirmed for video game player from reddit
>>63977182
There is nothing more capeshit than the big bad villain of the movie going on a tantrum and the stormtroopers turning the other way when they hear him. Yeah, that's a perfect way to build tension. Not even Lucas was so incompetent to trivialize his villains like that.
>>63977191
>The prequels atleast had some semblance of original, had a good score, had some decent scenes with Palpatine, Darth Maul and Qui-Gon and an expansion of the SW mythos.
>TFA is a ANH copypaste, adds literally nothing to the mythos but ANH pasta and then forces some out of place jokes and characters down our throats because hey, it's 2015! Star Wars is no longer just for white geeks!
This is what /tv/ has come to.
>>63976694
youre delusional
>>63977271
>Not even Lucas was so incompetent to trivialize his villains like that.
No he made them spin with huge puffy shirts and dance around on a lava planet for 30 minutes.
>>63977279
Nice bro. You managed to greentext and add a reaction image. How is 4chan posting working out for you?
>>63977279
not him but if you think TFA was good in anyway, youre delusional
it pretty much shit all over the series and turned it into what they turned star trek into, fucking fast and furious movies
>>63977259
it actually was saved by editing and people smarter than lucas. do you not know a single thing about the movie you like so much?
>>63975867
the most reddit opinion out there, and also incorrect regarding his involvement
adorable
>>63977323
>>63977327
Yeah good luck with the shitposting, underage newfriends, you'll get it eventually.
>>63977271
the OT had a sense of humor.
and how the fuck can people not understand a character in a movie as simple and straightforward as TFA?
>>63975884
>Crystal Skull was loads better than any of the prequels.
Fuck
>>63975220
you keep repeating things you have no idea about
>>63977318
And he still wasn't dumb enough to let his villains be almost beaten by some dumb Imperial janitor. He wasn't dumb enough to have the Emperor as fucking CGI. Palpatine will forever be more menacing than a game of Snooke.
Lucas may have gone too far in a few places, but the Disney movie doesn't dare to go anywhere. It's a movie so aware of its meta that it becomes painful to watch.
>>63977356
epic reply Reddit. Goes to show that Disney shills can't type a coherent argument when faced with objective facts that Lucas was far better for SW than Disney jews will ever be. Well, enjoy your yearly SW shit that will eventually tie into Marvel shit.
>>63975522
>Anakin built C3PO
>Every stormtrooper is Boba Fett
>Chewbacca knew Yoda
>The force is caused by midichlorians
>Anakin was born of a virgin
>Jar Jar Binks
Go read "The Secret History of Star Wars". Lucas didn't even come up with Vader being Luke's father until ESB. He originally wanted SW to be a fun, Flash Gordon like serial adventure. All the epic shakespearean stuff is a retcon.
>>63977313
But... that's the way the story SHOULD play out.
>>63977346
>if I call him reddit that will invalidate his opinion!
/tv/ is truly the place of intellectuals
>>63976968
>Howard the Duck
When was the last time you actually watched it? For a light hearted adventure comedy it's pretty fucking great.
>>63977456
It's pretty well established just by reading first-hand accounts of star wars production over time that Lucas literally made everything up as he went along.
>>63977456
Visions change as productions go on. What matters is results, not opinions.
>>63976066
Empire is still good but mostly in terms of specific scenes. A new Hope is really the best Star Wars.
>>63977488
lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74LdMwDe2Qk
>>63975155
>parroting plinkett reviews
kek. ok mr director.
>>63977525
He's not wrong though.
>>63977157
Didn't he have another idea that would have been about teenagers?
>>63977191
Almost every good idea the prequels introduced was botched in some way either execution, and I'm not entirely sure of the value of the stuff they added to the lore, since it could be largely ignored and should be for the benefit of the OT, sonce they diminish the Jedi to such a degree its absurd.
Thats not even mebtioning the writing, directing, acting and absolute over reliance on CGI. Replacing your settings and fucking extras with lines with CGI when it isn't necessary is the pinnacle of control.
The new movies are sequels, they add about as much as aby other distant sequels, expand on the OT characters in ways that make sense, while introducing new characters. Whining about forced agenda (even though everyone's favorite characters outside of ther returning ones tend to be either Poe, Finn or Kylo) is unfounded and baseless.
>>63977271
How the fuck is any of that capeshit? Do you know what capeshit is?
>>63975884
>>63977370
>When will people realize the best thing Lucas ever did was hire harrison ford
>>63974998
Don't forget Palpatine and Anakin. Their relationship is more screwed up, but Palpatine was always there for Anakin so he was a father figure as well.
Ian Mcdiarmid mentions RotS is a story of "fathers and sons".
>>63976750
HOWARD THE DUCK. Ends the argument,
>>63976066
Think what you want. IV was the great standalone story. However, V doubled down and cemented that story as the saga and cultural phenomenon that it subsequently became.
>>63977653
Capeshit is the atmosphere of light-hearted fun and action. That nothing of consequence is actually happening and it's all just for fun.
>>63974713
>it's a "the prequels weren't that bad and Lucas doesn't totally suck cock" thread
>>63977657
He was actually adamantly opposed to Ford for Indiana Jones.
>>63977586
>the prequels did everything wrong
>TFA does everything right
Yeah no that's fucking bullshit. When will you admit that TFA is a turd of a movie that doesn't continue Star Wars as much as it desperately tries to mimic it for a modern audience? It had nothing new to discover. There was no sense of wonder or awe. It was just shit we've seen in ANH but with better effects. Atleast the prequels fucking tried. Disney didn't even do that. They took the easy route.
>>63977657
Shiiit nigga I couldn't have said it better myself.
>>63977769
Whoa stop the fucking presses, Star Wars wasn't about fun light hearted space adventures??? You fucking WOT M8
George was the key to all this
>>63977822
>it's a redditor post
>>63975013
b-but redditlettermedia told me everything about the prequels was bad
>>63977733
but.... 80's Lea Thompson...
>>63977822
bonjour reddit!
>>63977846
Point out where I said TFA did nothing right?? I'll wait
Yea sure all for the fans you lying fuck, that's why you forced Jar Jar into Ep 2 AND fucking 3 despite the global backlash against that loathsome cunt.
>for the fans
Yeah right.
>>63975583
A well directed but poorly acted scene
>>63977871
Reddit loves the prequels. They just watched them for the first time 2 weeks ago.
Learn your memes, faggot.
>>63977514
I couldn't make it more than 5 minutes into that to be totally honest.
I'm not saying it's Kino or high cinema, but it doesn't deserve the reputation it has.
Also Lea Thompson, you can't fuck with Lea Thompson.
>>63977328
He never said that was the part he disagreed with
>>63977871
>>63977896
Bandwagon jumping faggots. I'm sure two weeks ago you were talking about how shitty the prequels were and what a hack George "I may have gone to far" Lucas is.
>>63977929
>well directed
>poorly acted
>the whole scene is shot reverse shot
>>63977911
Your inability to point at any flaw in TFA, pretending it got basic shit right when even the fundamentals were broken.
>>63978103
>well directed
>Poorly acted
What the fuck????
>>63978103
That was a perfect fit for the scene though
>>63977929
What the fuck do you think directors do?
I'm fucking lost for words, this is incredible
>>63977841
figures.
>>63978103
>shot reverse shot
>what is established aesthetic
pleb
>>63978168
Act?
>>63977929
>well directed
>but poorly acted
IF IT'S POORLY ACTED THEN IT'S NOT WELL DIRECTED IS IT
>>63978128
Wow is this that new autism I've veen hearing so much about? What were the basic fundamentals TFA got wrong that the prequels got right in terms of basic fundamental film making?
>>63975127
>>63975178
Spielberg's suggestion for Indiana Jones was a russian ballet dancer,
>>63978182
> applying establishing shots for the entirety of a scene
Yes its real fucking art
>>63978241
TFA starts off with a protagonist that has no real motive. Why is he running away? Because he's tired of war? Yet he doesn't seem so hesitant on killing his fellow stormtroopers. Nothing about this shit movie makes sense. The characters fall apart when you actually start to think about their motives.
>>63977861
Yeah, you may have mixed up the original trilogy with the fucking Ewok specials but the humor of the OT was based on character interactions, not winking at the audience whenever something kooky happens. If a character points out something ridiculous, it doesn't mean the movie is clever and self aware, it means that the writers couldn't be arsed to come up with something that wasn't ridiculous.
>>63978156
yeah shot reverse shot really complemented the shit acting and script I can see what you are talking about autismo
>>63978285
He doesn't want to hurt innocent people. Its about as basic a motivation you can get how is it hard to understand?
>>63977841
Didn't he want Deniro or Hoffman for Indiana?
>>63978298
I can only think of maybe one instance of that type of hoke (Poe's first interaction with Kylo) but most other bits were jokes between characters via banter.
Whether it was funny or not is up to you.
>>63975867
He was all over that one as well. He wrote the story. He was there for all the effects stuff and in the editing room. You know where they assemble the fucking movie. Interviews with crew members say that he was all over the post-production process. Sure Kershner directed it, but it's not like Lucas just fucked off to Hawaii and came back for the premiere to collect his check.
This revisionist bullshit that helps you sleep at night cause you enjoy something that Lucas had a hand in is stupid.
>>63978330
He doesn't want to hurt innocent people yet he works as Imperial Stormtrooper? What? And in the scene, it implies it's his friend dying that makes him break. What kind of an asshole would later go and kill his former comrades in battle like that?
>>63978418
He didn't write the screenplay though.
>>63978421
A nog
>>63976842
>Strange Magic
you don't see it being shitposted do you.
>>63977444
Wrong. Storm troopers were Jango Fett. Boba was a clone especially made for Jango. It wasn't like Jango just picked a clone out of the production line and named him Boba.
>>63978313
Well plinkett'd my friend, but in reality you're plain wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tLf1JO5bvE
>>63978421
He as abducted as a child and forced into being a storm trooper, he didn't have a choice.
I don't understand why you or any one assumed that other storm trooper was his friend. It was more likely he saw himself as that storm trooper getting blasted considering his cowardly nature.
So he didn't want to hurt innocent people and was a coward he didn't want to get hurt. Sounds like a character in a movie
>>63978592
> posting the Sand scene as a positive example of Lucas's writing/directing
You're missing your colo claw fish
>>63978486
What the screenplay that Kershner changed to the point that Kasdan was disappointed that his version of the Han/Leia courtship didn't get to the screen?
And again, he wrote the story, and knowing what a pedantic micromanaging type of guy he is, I'd be surprised if he didn't do some work on the script.
Those "Making of..." books show just how involved he was with every step of the way. He did give Kershner free hand with directing to the point that Kershner thought it was silly how Lucas didn't want stand with him next to the camera but rather watch from behind. But the rest of the stuff he was very involved.
People are so hung up on grinding their axe with Lucas that they refuse to give him any credit.
>>63977378
ha The Force Awakens is a race car going full reverse with the break on.
>>63978418
Lucas was involved in ESB but he definitely had the least to do with it
Although he was advised by dozens of people he was heavily involved in AHN. In ROTJ he was in almost complete control and in the prequels nobody dared to speak against him
So yes, he has the least amount of involvement in ESB than in any other Star Wars movie
Nice sprerg-out though
>>63978592
8/10 had me going for a bit
>>63978544
It's a fun kids movie. Nothing inherently bad about it. I liked how the the main antagonist didn't suddenly become conventionally pretty during his heel/face turn.
>>63974998
it wasnt
In the beginning it was just the adventures of Luke
>>63978601
>Finn was a coward
I don't get this meme. Where did he show that he was a coward? When he refused to kill a villageful of innocent people, risking torture and death? When he helped Dameron break out? When he WANTS to go to the First Order base in order to save Rey? When he fights bravely agains Kylo? When he fights bravely in the battle that takes place on the green planet where Maz Kanata is?
>>63974713
Except you made it mostly focus on a boring ass poorly explained war about trade disputes (the least interesting reason for a war) and a plot to undermine a republic that was impossible to follow unless you listened to every piece of dialogue.
>>63977822
looks like we can add hating Lucas to the how you can tell a redditor list now.
>>63974713
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Lucas confirmed for weed trying his hardest to emulate the works of Ozu and Naruse. What we got was STAR WARS.
HILARIOUS
>>63978601
>So he didn't want to hurt innocent people and was a coward he didn't want to get hurt.
What a hero!
>>63978414
There was the part where Han Solo was trying to signal that Rey was behind Finn and Finn was like "What is this, what are you doing"
There was also this part >>63977271
I would even say the part where they teamed up to destroy the tie fighter with the Millenium Falcon only to turn around and sperg about how cool it was is an example of that persistent self awareness that serves to constantly remind you that you're watching a movie. Even if it only pops up a couple times it's still annoying, and it's a symptom of bad writing.
>>63974976
Anon, directing movies is his speh-shall-TEE.
>>63975127
>>63978789
but Obi-wan is a father figure/mentor to Luke in the first film.
>>63978795
> Breaking out Poe to use him to escape so he wouldn't end up killed.
> hesitating to help Rey when she is being accosted by those guys on Jakku
> "Going back to Jakku???!? Why!?!"
> Signing with strangers for work nearly abandoning the group
He only changes his mind because his affection for Rey makes him more courageous.
Its literally his arc
>>63978895
>spe-she-all-ity
>>63977271
I agree about that second example, and that self awareness is indeed an example of poor writing, but I find the examples in TFA to be fairly few and far between, especially considering the avengers movies.
And I'm not sure why you brought up >>63978880 as a good example, when he's describong what appears to be a villain with at least a modicum of depth and complexity which is more than any thing Maul or Dooku had.
>>63978941
>How do I tell Lucas he's a fucking idiot without me getting fired
>>63978941
There are more of these and they keep getting worse.
>>63975220
Fucking this. It's absolutely grating to read what people have been saying about the prequels since TFA came out.
>>63979285
You're an idiot.
>>63979199
The problem isn't with Kylo Ren destroying stuff and getting angry, it's the storm troopers avoiding him like he's some toddler throwing a tantrum. It basically makes a big joke out of the scene
>>63979366
Sorry, did you want to discuss something? Or are you incapable of anything besides meager insults?
>>63979055
>Breaking out Poe to use him to escape so he wouldn't end up killed.
that doesn't indicate cowardice though. that indicates some intelligence and a sense of self-preservation. plus, again, the reason why he is in trouble is because he refused to kill a bunch of innocent people.
>hesitating to help Rey when she is being accosted by those guys on Jakku
he didn't really hesitate. maybe for two seconds, but he starts getting up and is ready to interfere. that scene was more to show that rey can stand up for himself.
>"Going back to Jakku???!? Why!?!"
he is afraid of the first order because they abducted him as a child and enslaved him. he literally just gained his freedom, from his perspective there really is no reason to go back to Jakku and risk death.
>Signing with strangers for work nearly abandoning the group
i'll grant this, but this hardly means he is a ''coward''. he is free for the first time in his life. in any case, he changes his mind like two minutes later.
i don't know, maybe it's just that we have different definitions of ''coward''. to me, a coward is someone who is stand up for what he thinks is right and consistently takes the easy road, regardless of the fact that he knows it is wrong. Finn throughout the movie does the right thing.
>>63975405
The tilted angle shots
>>63975744
>>63976968
The man stopped directing shit for like 20 fucking years!
He didnt direct anything between a new hope and episode 1.
OFC his skills are going to rot and get rusty.
>>63979387
Its some levity, TFA humanizes the stormtroopers, probably to a fault. Maybe it under cuts the scene a bit but it hardly ruins it.
>>63979441
I think it comes down to whether we agree if his motivations are cowardice or not. Escaping with Poe and trying to get as far away from the first order as he can (even talking abandoning returning BB8 to the rebels) to me is fairly indicative of his character.
He does gain a bit too much courage too quickly, outright lying to the rebels about what he knows.about Star Killer but its fine since you'd want your character to participate willingly in the third act of rescuing a comrade
>>63978330
Well it kind of goes against everything we know about institutionalization, brainwashing, and social constructs. Taken as a baby. Trained to kill and to be merciless and obedient. Pusses out during first conflict.
>>63978941
He wasnt wrong.
>>63979772
Thats okay, why would this need to be a realistic thing in a story of space mysticism and evil empires?
>>63979417
Just stating facts.
>>63979941
*farts*
>>63975367
I disagree. I thought ROTS was pretty good. If he would have started there and filled in the gaps between that and ANH, then the prequel trilogy would have been great.
Reminder that Lucas had no plan and just wrote space schlock that happened to be popular, then built up this "I had a trilogy planned all along, no wait a trilogy of trilogies" shortly after Empire came out
>>63976219
How are you gonna pay for all those knives?
>>63979772
M8 even some idf scum show remorse for the shit they do
>>63976645
He was uncredited but he did help write it
>>63981124
he wrote the story but not the screenplay. different things.
>>63977047
STOP USING MEMEWORDS
YOU FUCK
>>63975238
I didn't mind that but Kasdan's input was awful
>>63978941
I think we can agree his good ideas were running a bit low at this point
>>63975127
Spielberg is such a hokey hack.
>>63980625
>Reminder that Lucas had no plan
>repeat this bullshit enough it becomes the truth
>>63979387
He is a toddler throwing a tantrum. He has no control over his emotions like a child not getting their way.
I am sorry George for every shit word I said next to your name.
Please come back.
>>63981167
I realize that but he did work on the screenplay as well.
>/tv/ now literally and unironically likes the prequels best and hates TFA
You guys are retards. I agree the prequels get shit on too much, but Episode VII is without a doubt a better movie.
>>63982305
It's shit admit it, it felt like Star Trek for fuck sake, no music, no atmosphere, no nothing
>>63974713
George actually protected SW as long as he could. Disney will ruin everything with their greed.
The Crystal skull was genuinely probably the best Indiana Jones movie, people just didn't take as well to the over-the-top style as they did before
If you seriously think that Temple of Doom is a better film than Crystal skull I urge you to go and watch both with an open mind and without nostalgia because I don't understand how anyone could think that
>>63975127
>>63975178
You can see Lucas side eying the fuck out of Spielberg.
>>63982119
Proof?
>>63977586
PT: good ideas, shit execution
TFA: shit ideas, good execution
OT: great ideas, great execution
>>63974976
100 % agree but if he had creative input that was taken seriously it would have been way better.
Now it might not have made as much money as the current film but I can just about guarantee you it would have been better.
Disney is just playing it safe for the first movie, which is completely logical.
>>63982566
>prequel story
>good ideas
>>63976694
>Rey
>A boy
It checks out
>>63982506
George pls go
>>63975623
A E S T H E T I C S
>>63976066
I like Empire a lot, really. A solid second place. But Star Wars>>>>>>>
>>63974713
TFA: a schlock that will go down infamy
>>63982506
I can't tell if this is bait or not but it really scares me
>>63976211
If I recall correctly the clone army was only at most a few million soldiers. The fact that a few million soldiers were that instrumental is pretty stupid given the population of the galaxy.
>>63983086
>English navy was inconsequential given the population of Earth
>>63983133
> Earth and an entire galaxy are the same thing
>>63982646
>not wanting to see space politics and the downfall of a huge, corrupt republic
>>63974713
>Didney are selfish pricks who use their money and high status to shit on people
In other news the sky is blue
The prequels had vision and ambition, even though the execution was shit.
TFA is soulless.
>>63983212
This is fucking star wars, of course I don't.
>>63983075
He's right, there are just as many ridiculous things in the other movies yet somehow a 50s homage featuring aliens is too much?
>>63983172
>entire galaxies account for shit when you have a gun that blow up planets
>>63983258
Star Wars was about a rebellion. It was always space politics.
>>63977003
lucas has directed far worse films than JJ, namely the prequals. But he has also directed far better films than JJ could ever dream of. And that's just directing. I think Lucas is more of a creative idea guy desu. Lucas>JJ and I honestly have lost just about all respect I ever had for lucas at this point.
