Hi /tv/. This is Star Wars fan theories general.
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A thread made specifically for all speculation and theories about the upcoming star wars novels, films, games, and other media.
Current /tv/ theories:
* Sheev is future Luke theory
* Snoke is Darth Plagueis theory
* Snoke is Sheev clone theory
* Finn is a double agent theory
* Rey and Finn were both former members of Knights of Ren, but had their minds whipped, implanted with false memories, and hidden like Luke and Leia in episode III
* Rey is Luke's daughter
* Rey is Sheev's granddaughter
* Rey is Obi-Wan's granddaughter
* Finn is Mace Windu's grandson
* Kylo Ren is Luke's son
* Finn is Lando Calrissian's grandson
* Rey and Ben Solo are brother and sister.
* Luke is on Rakata Prime theory
* Maz is a droid being controlled by Yoda's ghost theory
* Bigger Luke theory
* Sith lord Jar Jar theory
* Expanding Force Theory
* Rey's sister massacred the Jedi theory
* Hux is Luke's son theory
* Hux is Tarkin's grandson theory
* TR-8R desperately wants to leave the First Order, and is so furious that Finn achieved what he never could, causing him to lash out theory
* Kylo Ren is a secret good guy theory
* Plagueis created Anakin theory
* Finn and Kylo are actually half brothers. Kylo was able to rattle off Finn's stormtrooper ID because he knew he was family. It would also further explain the Han Leah separation and gives more reason for Kylo killing his dad because he let his mom get blacked. Lando ran off to let her raise the kid by himself so Leah let someone adopt Finn which was actually an agent of Snoke who knew he had potential and why there was such importance on the First Order finding a random deserter.
* Luke is grey Jedi theory
* Kylo left Rey on Jakku because even he couldn't kill his little cousin. The force vision shows the jedi massacre and that part starts with someone attacking Rey only to be killed by Kylo. Then it flashes to Rey being left on Jakku. Luke thought his daughter died theory.
* Rey's vision is here recalling when Ben Solo was taken from her either by Snoke (in which they would have been looking for the child of Luke and he would have lied to protect her and said he was Luke's child) or he was taken by Luke/the new jedi order for training theory.
* Snoke created Rey as his ultimate apprentice theory. Luke saved her as a child, mind wiped her, and left her on Jakku where Plagueis couldn't find her theory.
* Lor is Luke's stepfather and his wife was killed by Kylo and all his padawans and was left by Luke to watch over his daughter from a distance Luke left Rey mindwiped and on her own because he was scared she would turn into Kylo theory
* Leia is Snoke theory
* Luke created rey out of the force theory
* Finn is a clone theory
* rey is luke and leias daughter theory
* Rey = Kateel of Kuhvult theory
* Poe and Finn end up together, everyone else dies, no more Jedi or Sith theory
* Snokw is a native of Rakata Prime theory.
* Starkiller base = Ilum theory
* Kylo wants to capture and join Snoke because he already knows that Snoke is going to kill him for a more powerful force apprentice anyway so he would rather sacrifice himself for his sister Rey rather than Snoke kill her off because she refused his offer theory
* Hux is Luke's son and a double agent theory
* Sheev is alive theory
* Han survived because no one in Star Wars who falls down a shaft dies theory
* Luke has a wife who's alive. (Who hopefully looks like and/or is named Mara Jade) theory
* Sheev and Darth Maul are working with Snoke theory
* Qui-Gon had a sexual relationship with Shmi Skywalker (a clone?), who had her mind erased before she gave birth to Anakin. Qui-Gonn remembers her in TPM, but she doesn't remember him. Qui-Gon therefore would have raised up Anakin the same way that Dooku raised the clones, and Grievous raised the Separatist army. Luke inherited Anakin's lightsaber, and later he reconstructed a green saber from Qui-Gon's old crystal. After Return of the Jedi, Luke taught at a temple but had a baby girl on Jakku theory.
* Rey sells herself as a sex slave for food theory.
* Snoke and Kylo Ren are part of a cult that worship Sheev as a god. Their goal is bring about end time apocalypse theory.
>>63970233
>LETS FUCK THE EU
>THEN LETS STEAL THEIR IDEAS AND MAKE THEM OUR OWN
fucking disgusting disney
>>63970392
>tfw Thrawn will be the major villain in episode 8.
>>63970233
>Kylo Ren is Luke's son
Wait, what? Hasn't it already been established who his parents are?
>>63970233
Don't expect any theory that drastically changes the status quo of the first movie like Finn being a double agent to be true.
Disney is selling characters and their identities, not character development.
>>63970632
>Wait, what? Hasn't it already been established who his parents are?
>hurrr durrr Leia is the daughter of Senator Bail Organa right?
>>63970233
Episode 8 will be called: The First Order Strikes Back
Episode 9 will be called: Return of the Mary Sue
Is it true that in the novel Kylo fought Luke to a standstill when the Jedi massacre was taking place?
*Rey was artificially conceived by Darth Plagius aka Snoke by medichlorians
*Her mother is an unknown
*Luke knew of this and wiped her mind and hid her
*She has a medichlorian count of 40,000 which would explain why she wrecked Kylo
>>63970723
>Is it true that in the novel Kylo fought Luke to a standstill when the Jedi massacre was taking place?
The novel hasn't come out anon.
When I get the novel in Jan. I'll let you know.
>>63970472
if only
>>63970780
why did they align rey's fat ninja staff with ren's lightsaber? it looks really weird.
>>63970926
>why did they align rey's fat ninja staff with ren's lightsaber? it looks really weird.
They are implying Rey will turn to the dark side.
>>63970751
>*Rey was artificially conceived by Darth Plagius aka Snoke by medichlorians
What if Rey is the artificial vessel for Sheev to come back to the physical world?
>>63970926
Not aligning it would look weirder.
>>63970472
>red-eyed blue-skinned demon voiced Beneficial Cucumberpatch is introduced taking command away from Hux
My body is ready
>Rey turns to the dark side = 8
>Finn becomes the hero and brings her back = 9
The newly released canon map of the System reveals that Rakata Prime is a definite planet in this "revmped" universe.
Rakata Prime is the location of the FIRST force-sensitive race of aliens - also the location of the first Jedi temples. In VII, Luke was searching for the first temples and where we find him at the end of the film is similar to the planets geography.
That being said, the origin of the Starkiller Base is near Rakata Prime, and for those who played KotOR, it's also the location of Darth Revans Star Forge.
Confirmed that the new trilogy is based of KotOR, that Luke is on Rakata Prime, that the Star Forge is canon, and that most likely,Rey is actually Revan with her mind wiped.
>>63971297
>Kylo becomes the hero and brings her back = 9
Fixed that for you anon.
Ren's defeat of Kylo is very Dark-Side-ish, given the way she beats him down and overpowers him and the way she gives him several Sheev Stabs. She seems completely ready to kill him, too, but the destruction of Starkiller Base stops her by splitting them up.
Also, remember what Yoda said about the Dark Side: it's the quick and easy path. Rey's whole development in the Force to this point is about being 'quick and easy.' It might even be that she's naturally inclined to the Dark Side. This would make her a nice contrast to Kylo/Ben, who's naturally inclined to the Light Side.
>>63971324
That map is seriously lacking some canon planets.
Try this one instead
http://imgur.com/a/l3yl8
>>63971384
This desu, anybody who didn't notice she was going total darkside in that scene is scene. That's why Kylo suddenly wanted to train her, he could tell it came much more naturally to her than to him
>>63971494
>http://imgur.com/a/l3yl8
Is it canon? If not FUCK OFF shill.
>>63971384
If that's true then it wasn't properly conveyed at all which is just bad moviemaking.
She just beat him in an "epic" and calm way, no visible dark/light side conflict at all.
>>63971583
She gave into her anger. That's a clear sign of the dark side.
>>63971384
Part of me wants to agree, but look at the shit m8, her face was basked in blue and 'good guy' music played as she prepared the massive asspull 'it was teh will of teh force' victory.
If they were going to go with that angle, they'd make it more ambiguous or even show that she was also drawing on the dark side. Also that's probably not the angle Disney is going to take with this.
Rey is just the next Disney princess character, she'll become the Jedi Princess and there'll be some bitches dressed like her at disney land to do autographs just like the rest of their characters.
>>63970233
>Rey and Ben Solo are brother and sister.
>Rey and Ben
It all makes sense now.
>>63971549
>Being this mad about the legitimacy of map based on a fictional location in a fictional franchise
Ho boi
>>63971665
Like I can see how this scene would look if she was drawing on the dark side, they'd saber lock and it'd cut to a shot of her face bathed in the blue glow of her blade, then Kylo's bathed in red, he'd have a mocking look on her face and slowly push the blade in on Rey, her face would slowly start glowing red and her look would go from fear to rage before she broke the lock and started going apeshit on him.
In the movie, she closes her eyes, still under the blue glow and some heroic music plays, she's clearly 'focusing' to gain the inner strength to find victory like a Jedi would.
I agree that her drawing on the dark side to gain such power so quickly makes much more sense in terms of the classic understanding of the force. But JJ directs at such a fast pace that he doesn't leave time for actual character development, so I guess the dark side is just being a fucking edgy cunt and the light side is being a goody two shoes KOTOR style.
* TFA and everything from here on out is shit theory
>>63970926
Diagonals. It's like basic picture building 101.
>>63970780
The sabers form a lambda.
Half-Life 3 confirmed
Unfortunately, Rey might be Luke's daughter - or a manifestation of the light side summoned by Luke (or maybe Luke found her at the first Jedi Temple and sent her to Jakku, this would explain his very sad look at the end of the film).
>expert pilot
>Maz Kanata asks Han Solo about her identity - cut to another scene
>when Kylo Ren invades her mind, he "can see the ocean, the island" (the same island where Luke is?), although she's been living on a desert planet her whole life
>the Force is super strong in her, she resists and beats Kylo Ren
>>63972272
>Rey might be Luke's daughter
No you are thinking ofKylo Ren
>>63972614
>kylo ren is luke's daughter
The twistyest of twists
>>63971665
why the forced separation if she wasn't going to kill him.
She could have just as easily walked away from his prone body. Or hesitate like Luke dude when he went apeshit on Vader
Last I checked killing a defeated and wounded enemy is a dark side move.
>>63972942
>Last I checked killing a defeated and wounded enemy is a dark side move.
>Windu kills Sheev
>Windu becomes the new Sith lord with Anakin as his apprentice.
Holy shit, not matter what happened, the same shit would have happened regardless.
Jar Jar Sith Lord is still the best, most viable "theory" out there. Backed up by so many facts, it's even hard to brush it off as a theory at this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yy3q9f84EA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOf3hhsjtOg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUOwsRv6MLc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t02Zl6Iqagw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmL2vnNsNcg (pay close attention especially between 0:49-0:52, Jar Jar clearly does a jedi mind wave and we can see this affecting Sebulba with his rapid eye-blinking, as if he's just been mind-wiped.
Hux is Luke's son because...
>he is shown to be on equal footing before snoke
>looks like Luke
>is played by actor Domhall Gleeson who could carry the responsibility of the role
>all they would need to do in the sequel is show a scene which gives Hux more personal characterization and the audience would believe it
>hux has no prior history that we know of in the movies; though there is contradictory evidence in the star wars visual dictionary
>hux has a strong political career because he was raised in the new republic where Luke and co were running the new galaxy for a time
>character has turned away from the force because he loathes his father etc
>hux is a qt and I won't him to have a bigger role
In a bowcasting blow of fatal devastation to any theory involving Revan, this fanboy in a waifu thread has found the origin of Reah's name:
>>>63972477 →
>>>63972849 →
>>>63972899 →
Like FN->Finn, it's not even her given name.
Here's the webm. You can look up "Aurebesh" at the wookiepedia yourselves.
>>63973503
Hux's origins are explained in a new-canon book, his daddy is an imperial officer.
Can someone explain Expanding Force theory?
>>63971773
Take your fan fiction bullshit elsewhere. This is a canon only thread.
>>63973345
>Windu becomes the new Sith lord with Anakin as his apprentice.
>They finally let Samuel L Jackson cut loose and show some fucking emotion as the new Darth Fury
MY
DICK
IS
DIAMONDS
>>63970233
>sheev clones
when will the EU-fags stop with this ?
>>63973930
>This is a canon only thread
>>63970233
>Hi /tv/. This is Star Wars fan theories general.
>>63973537
I read aurebesh and can confirm Reah
>>63973930
>canon only thread
>Name of the thread is Star Wars Fan Theories General
>Darth Plagueis could create life
>He wanted to create something greater out of the force than Light and Dark
>He wanted balance
>Anakin has no father, it was a virgin pregnancy
>Anakin in the chosen one to bring balance
YFW Plagueis is Anakins father
>>63974788
The eu already explained anakins conception as being unintentionally caused by plagueis.
>>63974747
Only canon theories allowed. No dumb shit like LUUUUUUUKKE
>>63974788
FUCK
WHY HAVE I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT?
>>63974980
>canon theories
>>63974788
Only problem with this is that Plagueis is a Sith and the Sith desire power (and it's continued existence) above all else.
>>63975300
>Sith desire power (and it's continued existence) above all else.
But isn't that the most logical thing to do. I mean its not like anyone wants to die. So when someone has the ability to save people from dying logically everyone would try to learn it, even if you do some bad shit in the process.
>>63970392
It's more like:
>LETS FUCK THE EU
>EUFAGS WON'T LET GO AND NOW COME UP WITH RETARDED THEORIES HOW TO TIE IN OLD SHITTY EU INTO MOVIES
Just let it go, nerds.
>>63975553
Literally 90% of the ideas from this film was EU retard.
>>63971324
Pablo the Canon Neckbeared already confirmed it's not Rakata.
Stop it, Kotor is never coming back.
>>63970392
name one instance that's been confirmed
>>63975586
Because 90% of the EU is based on the OT, and TFA is an OT rehash.
>>63975601
My head canon.
http://www.theladbible.com/articles/this-guy-s-insane-star-wars-the-force-awakens-theory-has-the-ultimate-twist
guys, what do you think about this theory? would you be cool with it? ignore the retarded exclamation marks
*Dooku was the real hero of the Clone Wars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaXHDpCe-KI
>Dooku, like Qui-Gon, knew about the corruption in the senate
>Dooku also knew about Sheev plotting to take down the jedi
>assembled the Separatists to help him try and reform the senate and stop Sheev
>he tried to convince Obi-Wan to help him stop Sheev before he tried anything
>he played along with Sheev's plan until Coruscant
>told Grievous, who knew nothing about any of this, to capture Sheev and bring him to the Invisible Hand
>was probably going to try and reveal Sheev as being a Sith
>Sheev turned the tables and manipulated Anakin into killing Dooku, thus eliminating any possible opposition
Dooku did nothing wrong.
Rey is plagueis/sidious.
>>63976077
>Rey is plagueis/sidious.
>Snoke is having a fight over control over the darkside
>only way to beat them is to hardness both the light side (Luke) and dark side (Rey)
>>63976014
Thanks for making me go on tumblr. And I already posted the same theory.
It's probably a red herring, but the dialogue in Han Solo's death scene is very ambiguous, which is why I think it's plausible.
>>63976014
Might be cool, on a side note. WHY DO EVERYONE IN TUMBLR WRITE LIKE THIS?
>>63976250
what is it
>>63976282
Kylo is actaully a double-agent that joined the darkside willingly because it's the only way to stop Snoke. He is asking Han Solo for his help to kill his father so that he can continue his mission of getting close to Snoke (which happens at the end of the movie). Luke is probably in exile because he disagrees with those ends justify the means methods.
I'm not convinced it's true, but it's plausaible and would make for an "ebin twist in the 2nd movie of the trilogy," that Disney will not be able to resist copying.
>>63976372
>Kylo is a double-agent for Luke
>Finn is a double agent for Snoke
Pottery
I'll throw in a theory:
Poe Dameron is actually gay. It will never be outright stated in the movies because Disney & needing to appeal to the widest common denominator - but it will be heavily, heavily implied.
Ever since Disney started going crazy with the promotion for the movie within the last 5 months, Oscar Isaac has been throwing around a bunch of gay jokes and implications regarding Poe and his role in the Force Awakens.
>When an interviewer asked him, "what kind of lightsaber would you/Poe wield," he humorously, replies "a rainbow colored one."
>in another interview, someone asks Isaac how people should treat their Poe Dameron action figures. He basically flat out implied that they should jam it up there ass to arouse their prostates. No joke.
>During a recent Star-Wars related episode of Ellen that just aired several days ago, Ellen asked Oscar, Boyega and Daisy about the romance antics of the trilogy, and who would pair with who. Oscar's reply was both semi-serious and interesting; he basically outright admitted that he played Poe's relationship with Finn as a subtle romance.
>the novel details that Poe's jacket was prized possession of his, which he owned for years. Not only does Poe give Finn a jacket, but he also gives him a new identity and name.
>Finn and Poe reuniting was handled in a surprisingly emotional way, Poe biting down on his lips when he replies that the jacket looks good on Finn
>in terms of staple roles, Finn is the new Han while Poe is the new Leia. And we all know what happened between Han and Leia in the second OT movie.
Meanwhile, Rey will spend a good deal of time training with Luke in the next movie, while Finn is being treated at the Resistance base for his spinal wounds. It's inevitable that Poe and Finn will engage in some comedy or bromance shenanigans with each other. Unlike the original trilogy however, Poe's interest in Finn will remain one-sided.
>>63976014
I actually thought about it, and it would be a great twist but I don't think jew jew is this much into pottery
>TR-8R desperately wants to leave the First Order, and is so furious that Finn achieved what he never could, causing him to lash out theory
Fuck off. He knows he's fighting for the good cause and he's loyal to it.
>>63970233
the vader mask destruction and snoke face destruction look similar
Does anyone have a picture of the Snoke hologram from the film? I need it for meme purposes.
>>63971324
There were no Jedi on Rakata Prime, the Rakatans were dark side users. But the lore around this shit is all non-canon now, all of KOTOR, ect.
In the old EU, the Jedi originated on Tython, with the Jedi following the light moon of Ashla and the Dark Jedi who later merged with the Sith followed the dark moon of Bogdan. There was a civil war and the followers of Bogdan were expelled. This is how the ancient rivalry between the light and dark began.
>>63976482
Good thing he isn't directing the sequels and didn't even write TFA then.
>>63976549
>Fuck off. He knows he's fighting for the good cause and he's loyal to it.
>we later mind out TR-8R was Finn's brother and was so madden by his betral he tried to personally kill him.
>>63976551
Not really.
how deep does the lore go
Sometimes Kylo jerks off on the Vader helmet
>>63976754
not very after the EU got wiped
>>63976726
Then it's confirmed, you aren't fooling anyone JJ, time to come up with a new plot.
>>63970472
fuck, if only
theory: Vader's spirit will come back to life and possess Kylo Ren
>>63976754
>how deep does the lore go
Here's a few of mine. The Resistance is not actually supported by the Republic as is implied. A few alternatives:
- The Resistance is operating independently and is trying to incite the Republic and the First Order into a war to weaken them both and then take over.
-Same as above, except it's a third party (Remnant of Luke's Jedi Order) supporting the Resistance and trying to take over the galaxy.
-The First Order is secretly supporting the Resistance in order to provide a reason to go to war with the Republic.
>star wars fan theories general
There's certainly a subreddit you should all fuck off to
>>63970233
Has no-one thought that Poe could be a clone working on 'The 6th Day' rules? Where every time he dies, they whack out a clone and upload his memories?
It just seemed a bit shitty to me that they explained his survival on Jakku as pretty much 'Oh yea, i got off there ok! Glad you did too!' So it makes me think theres more too it.
Read an article the other day where Poe was originally intended to die at that point - but JJ worked something out to keep him alive. Maybe im giving them too much credit, but there must be more to it than what we were told in the film.
The Empire / First Order are the good guys.
just kidding kekThis is not a theory, it's an established fact.
>>63970233
>Hi /tv/
well hi there reddit!
>>63975553
just like Ben is totally not Jaycen Solo dressed as Revan, right
Rey is Luke's daughter. The female sith lord they're casting for Episode 8 is her mother.
Kylo / Ben was the apprentice that screwed things up for Luke. This is the same one mentioned by Han in the TFA.
Snoke is an illusion, like the Wizard of Oz. That should have been obvious to anyone seeing the new movie.
The answers are already there, all you have to do is look.
>>63976014
So basically Kylo Ren is Itachi?
>>63977062
Indeed, he isn't.
>>63975601
Baron Sontir Fel has a different name now and appeared in two Rebels episodes doing nothing, flying regular TIE Fighters.
Ben Solo is obviously Jacen Solo with a different name which brings me to another detail: Only Luke knew Obi-Wan as Ben and would givea shit about that name as he was apparently somewhat friendly with him before ANH. Han only heard the name once, and didn´t give a shit about the man. Leia only knew him as Obi-Wan. Having Lukes son be called Ben is the only course of action, something the EU did and was only changed for no reason.
Rogue One will be about aquiring the Death Star plans which happened like 20 times already so they are bound to steal the plot wholesale from one of those stories.
>>63971324
Snoke =Malak
Kylo Ren =Revan reborn
>>63970472
Thrawn Trilogy would've been ten times better than this
>>63976434
My biggest gripe with Poe: he should have been Poe Antilles. You don't even need Wedge's actor for that.
>>63977178
>Thrawn Trilogy would've been ten times better than this
Do you think we'll never get Disney to make a Thrawn trilogy?
>>63977306
no because people wouldn't be able to not see the empire as evil
>>63977272
>Even more shoehorned references
no
>>63977077
Star Wars 77 dubs confirm.
>>63977448
that would be one reference that would actually make sense tho
>>63970233
Finn has an Order 66 style trigger that's going to go off and betray the Resistance.
>>63977471
Nah Wedge was the old man in the beginning of the movie who had the map.
Here's a fairly serious theory:
Snoke is actually a dwarf and projects himself big on the hologram to make up for his short stature in real life.
This would mean he's like some sort of Sith Yoda.
>>63976551
Snoke is a last ditch attempt at getting Darth Vader back, they couldn't find the Emeprors body so they tried their best to clone Vader
>>63977489
I think that would be Poe actually, lets say Kylo planted it during the interrogation.
>>63977019
Finn was parachuted out with his seat, it is just natural to assume Poes seat worked exactly the same.
>>63977533
what is everyone's obsession with cloning
>>63977077
>The female sith lord they're casting for Episode 8 is her mother.
Source
>>63977077
If snoke is an illusion then who is behind the curtain?
>>63977644
That's the only unanswered question.
Probably Luke.
Speaking of Thrawn, were the last 2 books in the series any good? Shadow of Thrawn or whatever they were called?
>>63977588
>what is everyone's obsession with cloning
>have a war called "the clone wars"
>hurrr why is it so important in this series
>>63977588
> not having imagined the clone wars before the OT as full on arnachy because everybody got cloned and multiple sides sent clones of high-ranking figures of their enemies as spies and nobody was sure if they are really talking to the person they know or some clone
>>63977077
>The other big rumor that is being floated to licensees is the introduction of a "Female Sith" for "Episode VIII."
>>63977734
That would've been a much better story, how the fuck did they miss something that obvious?
>>63977698
So Luke is a sith now?
>>63976014
I think a better twist would be that Kylo didn't willingly choose the dark side but literally got mindfucked by Snoke, and the reason he feels the pull of the light is because he's unknowingly fighting off the brainwashing.
>>63977813
Grey Jedi
>>63977779
Because it would not be family friendly.
i mean why the fuck do you think lucas removed all stakes from the war by having droids fight clones (and attempted to make OT's stormtroopers clones as well in one of the most retarded retcons in existence), neither of which are 'real humans' ?
It was silly attempt to make the series more into the space opera for kids.which with all the things like >younglings and lot of other EPIII stuff just shows how poor the tone consistency of the prequels is
>>63974980
>canon theories
Dumbest shit I've heard all day
i think BB 8 is named after this Quantum key distribution protocol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BB84
What i could think of after watching the flick today.
What do you think?
>>63977644
>If snoke is an illusion then who is behind the curtain?Jar Jar.Not even fucking joking. >>63973406
>>63978138
I could go for that.
I didn't wanna shit up the board with another Star Wars thread so I figure i'll ask this here.
So over the past month or so I watched episode 1-6 and just saw episode 7 last night. Little confused about some of the factions in this universe.
So as I understand it, the Empire came around by the galactic senate voting to give supreme power to Palpatine because General Grievous was waging a war that the Senate for the most part was losing. My first question is how did General Grievous build such a huge droid army? What was his motives beyond just getting bossed around by Palpatine (but he didn't know it was Palpatine so he was just taking orders from some random dude?).
Second question, Episode 2 is all about the clone army, The clone army was commissioned by Palpatine without the senate knowing right? How did he pay for it? Does everyone know this random water world has the capacity to make 50 million or so solders? I know Ep2 Obi Won got that info from some alien dude that works at a diner but wouldn't more people know about it? Then like when researching it the info about the planet was deleted from the senates database by Palpatine? Do I have that right so far? So if the clone army already takes orders from palpatine, why doesn't he just take the clones and general grievous droids to face roll the galaxy, why does he need to be voted supreme leader? The senates home planet is on Coruscant right? Why is everyone happy on Coruscant at the end of RoTJ, that would be like cheering in Berlin after Hitler was killed, why would the New Order in Ep7 want to blow it up anyways?
So my next confusion is the Storm Troopers, is the clone army from Ep2 the same as we see in 4,5, and 6? Are they just clones? I get in 7 they are just recruiting whoever since all the clones are dead at this point right?
Who the hell are they beyond just being the rebellion? I assume they are the forces from the senate that wouldn't go with Palpatine when he went full evil?
>>63978850
Also I'm trying to remember if the word "Sith" was ever said in 4,5,and 6. Is that just a prequel thing? Also Sith is just an off shoot of Jedi right? Other followers of the Dark Side exist?
>>63978850
Even by EPIV majority of stormtroopers are recruits - both volunteers and conscripts. Clones simply age too fast and most of them were dead not that long after the empire was established.
>>63978850
>yet another poster that does not understand the political situation
>>63973406
Only hole in this is no way Disney is going to allow any references to the prequels. Disney it literally going to ignore them forever. This script was not written by George anyways so any seeds he may or may not have planted are void.
Though it would be cool
Am i an idiot for actually believing the jar jar theory?
>>63979051
Thanks
>>63979102
That explains who the Resistance is going into Ep7 but what about who they where in EP4,5 and 6? Watching 6 gives me the the impression that the Resistance is whats left of the Senate and they used the last of their forces to for the battle in Ep6. In the special editions they show Coruscant at the end of 6 and it looks normal and happy. Isn't Coruscant the birthplace of the Empire? Wouldn't it be
>>63979315
Woops, posted before I was finished.
Wouldn't it be full of empire friendly's? I can see the make up changing by ep7 but right at the end of 6 it would be like Berlin after Hitler was killed
>>63979315
There is no resistance in the OT.
There are rebels. An entity completely different from the resistance.
>>63979249
Yes simply because George is not making the movies anymore. Disney won't have any references to the prequels
>>63979392
But they use the same logo and lead by Leia, also on a side not. What is Leia princess of?
>>63979454
jesus christ
watch the movies again pal
>>63979413
>Yes simply because George is not making the movies anymore.
>what could have been.
>>63979413
Doesn't mean he didn't intended it.
>>63979524
I don't think he did, unless it was gonna be in extended universe bull shit because he said flat out time and time again there would be no Ep7.
Hes kinda right as well, unless I missed it I haven't seen the Words "Episode 7" anywhere on official documents.
Also you all can put Luke or any other well liked character out of the picture for Snoke because Disney wouldn't hurt the merchandising sales. At best it may turn out to be the Emperor who somehow survived the fall down the shaft.
>>63979454
Alderaan.
>>63979683
>Alderaan
I'm a retard, I didn't mean to ask what she was a princess of but how. Shouldn't it be a princess of Naboo, how did she become princess of Alderaan?
>>63979769
By being born to reigning monarch of Alderaan probably. Also why the fuck would she be princes of Naboo? She has absolutely no relation to it.
>>63979769
>Shouldn't it be a princess of Naboo,
Wasn't that an elected position?
>>63979769
She's Bael Organa's adopted daughter. He married a Queen.
>>63979834
Yes, Queen and King were synonymous with President on Naboo. They were voted in for a term. I think it was maybe a year.
>>63979825
And before this confuses you even more, by being born i meant adopted by.
>>63979825
Shes Padmé daughter who was queen
>>63979834
How can a queen be elected?
>>63979842
Is Organa in 4.5.and 6 at all? Is the fact Leia being adopted brought up anyone besides Leia when she tells Solo that luke is her brother?
>>63979989
>How can a queen be elected?
Elected monarchies exist:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City
>Absolute monarchy,[2] ecclesiastical[3] and elective[4] theocracy[5]
>>63979989
She knows that she's adopted and tells Luke about Padmé in 6 because he says he can't remember his real mother.
I'm not sure if Bael is mentioned but he might have been in 4 right at the start when Leia is captured. It's his ship she's on I think.
>>63980125
Does it explain how luke and leia got separated? Wouldn't Beal adopt them both?
>>63980276
>Does it explain how luke and leia got separated?
Did you even watch these films?
>>63980276
Explained in 6 and probably 3. Obi-wan separated them so that at least if Anakin found one of them, there'd still be hope for the Jedi since the other could be trained.
>Kylo left Rey on Jakku because even he couldn't kill his little cousin. The force vision shows the jedi massacre and that part starts with someone attacking Rey only to be killed by Kylo. Then it flashes to Rey being left on Jakku. Luke thought his daughter died theory.
I like this one. A lot.
>>63970233
I'm asking in a few threads,
Does anyone remember when exactly that "there has been an awakening" line happened in the movie? I know Kylo and Snoke are talking but I don't remember at what point in the story it takes place.
>>63976014
This was my initial impression too. Then my second viewing pretty much confirmed it for me. If he isn't a double agent, then he's still a person filled with good with the light side, and still deeply cares about his loved ones, despite murdering Han, his father.
How do we know he's a double agent? Compare his actions to that of Vader's, and it all begins to come together.
Our first big clue happens in Rey's flashback. In the Knights of Ren sequence, Rey is knocked down to the ground. We then see a knight of Ren or a jedi student hovering above her, about to bludgeon her to death with a blunt weapon. Kylo stabs the guy with his lightsaber before he can properly attack her. She then stands up. The next few seconds are spent with Kylo and the other knights eyeing Rey down. Kylo walks over to her, shoulders facing the camera - immediately flipping to the Jakku sequence, with a younger Rey being abandoned by a mysterious figure whose shoulders are also facing the camera. You can watch the entire flashback here: http://sendvid.com/i0q9ybuc
This informs us that she was there when it happened, and that Kylo was protecting her from certain death, for what ever reason. He might have gone so far as to drop her off on Jakku to secure her own safety, perhaps from Plagueis himself.
Secondly, Kylo's massacre of the jedi academy strongly parallels Anakin's massacre of the jedi younglings, as well as his inevitable assistance in the Order 66 jedi massacre.
And why did Anakin partake in the youngling and jedi massacre to begin with? Because Sheev convinced him that his loved ones were in danger from the senate and the jedi. So,
>Vader kills students and brings the jedi to near-exinction, to save Padme and his children - aka his family.
>Kylo kills nearly all of the students at Luke's academy, essentially bringing the jedi into another near-extinction phase again in order to... save who? A potential family member like Rey, perhaps?
Ok I got it all figured out now except the relation of the Empire to the senate. The Empire is what was created when Palatine took over right?
>>63980815
Didn't Vader's body get burned at the end of 6? How the hell would he be alive?
>>63980815
>Does anyone remember when exactly that "there has been an awakening" line happened in the movie?
it doesn't.
>>63981078
Snoke says it.
>>63970233
>Sheev is future Luke
Then RotJ makes no sense. Why would he want to kill himself?
>>63980815
It's when we're first introduced to snoke.
Hux leaves and Kylo has a 1 to 1 with Snoke.
>>63981310
>Snoke says it.
I forgot that part.
>>63981366
>Why would he want to kill himself?
Cause it's not "technically" him. It's an alternate him.
>>63980859
Thanks for the video.
>These are the first steps
The first steps to what?
>>63980859 (You)
>CONT.
The next GIANT red flag are the parallels between Kylo and Snoke's conversations, to that of Sheev and Vader's conversations, especially in regards to Rey.
What happens in TESB:
>Vader contacts Sheev
>Sheev tells him that he feels "a great disturbance in the force."
>Sheev then says that this disturbance comes from Luke Skywalker.
>Vader attempts to convince Sheev that Luke could become a great asset to the dark side.
>Palpatine agrees, but he's still wary. He clearly senses that Vader is proposing this idea in an effort to save his son from certain death.
>Eventually, Vader and Luke have their face-off, Darth Vader attempts to convince him to join the dark side.
>It doesn't work.
>Luke gets his hand cut off.
Now, let's see what happens in TFA:
>Snoke contacts Kylo.
>Snoke tells Kylo that he senses a "great reawakening" from the force.
>Snoke then implies that Rey - "aka that girl" has something to do with it, as well as Luke
>IIRC, Kylo tries to brush her off as some nothing, that he and Snoke are stronger.
>Snoke orders Kylo to capture the girl regardless, so that he can train her.
>Kylo has no choice but to agree and carry out his plans.
>Eventually, Kylo and Rey have their face-off, Kylo attempts to convince her into joining the dark side.
>It doesn't work.
>Kylo gets his face slashed open.
In other words, the conversations are nearly identical in their subtext. The crucial difference relies on who's persuading who.
Vader is the one who vies for apprenticeship in the original trilogy. Meanwhile, Snoke is the one who vies for apprenticeship in The Force Awakens. It's almost as if Snoke knows whats going to come out of Kylo's mouth, having had some nasty experiences and bad memories from the past...
You can watch the conversation between Vader and Sheev here; can't find a webm or snippet of the conversation between Kylo and Snoke yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaBlw1gNWdg [Embed]
>>63982338
Honestly, I think the biggest clue is the conversation/scene with Han. He asks for his help. Han says "anything." Han grips the saber and does not pull it away. Hell, it looks like Han is the one pulling the saber towards himself before Kylo activates it. Then Kylo thanks him.
It literally looks like Kylo is asking for Han's permission to kill him and Han willingly sacrifices himself to help his son.
Even if Kylo is not a double agent, there is more to this scene that will likely change the context after the twist in episode 8 or 9.
>>63970926
It's actually very pleasing to me.
Jar Jar Binks = Snoke
>>63982483
>It literally looks like Kylo is asking for Han's permission to kill him and Han willingly sacrifices himself to help his son.
Pls god make this reality Disney.
>>63976014
if it is true, then why didn't Rey realize it when reading his mind?
>>63971494
>where are we?
>the noad system.
>the noad system, there's not much there
-Han and Leia right before they find Bespin
Why the hell is this the most populous area of the galaxy? Is Leia just really stupid?
This was on here a few days ago.
are you ready for Darth Rey?
>parallels with Anakin: both naturally gifted pilots and mechanics, unnaturally strong in the force, she was pretty much a slave to Unkar Plutt, it's like poetry, it rhymes
>currently wielding Anakin's lightsaber with a dark history of summarily executing Dooku, slaughtering younglings and Luke losing his hand while wielding it
>has a toughness hidden under her cute exterior like young Anakin from growing up on a shithole barren planet struggling to even have enough to eat each day, has to have given her a lot of repressed anger
>could probably see the upside of a fascist dictatorship that imposes strict order on every planet after being assaulted on a regular basis and exploited every day by scummy alien criminals
>she's lonely, she's afraid of and runs away from her destiny, has trust issues from being abandoned, all negative emotions that lead to the dark side
>>63984524
cont.
>fights Kylo brutally, even biting him at one point, was about to execute him as hes laying on the ground wounded before the ground splits between them
>she clearly has some connection to Kylo's massacre of Luke's other pupils and probably had her memory erased
>an obvious twist is she is the only innocent pupil who escaped, a less obvious twist is she was spared because Kylo sensed her dark potential and that's why she was dumped on Jakku and mindwiped rather than simply taken with Luke
>thematically it's clear Kylo will be redeemed Vader style and another character will need to fill the role of Snoke's apprentice if that happens sooner than later
>will probably turn out to be Luke's daughter which makes Vader her grandfather too, allowing her to complete the themes of carrying on his legacy and of conflict between child and parent
>would be extremely deep pottery never done before if the protagonist and antagonist end the trilogy having switched moral sides
>would be deep characterization for a female so feminists couldn't talk shit but would also stop people calling her a Mary Sue, satisfies both sides
>>63984524
>>63984597
Technically it would be Rey Ren.
snoke is
>>63984597
>>63984524
I love this too much
>>63985240
A big guy?
>>63984597
Was in the same thread.
>>63971324
Too bad Revan would have to be thousands of years old for that to work, and I doubt that they'd ever bring Revan into this. Revan fans are terrifying and would nitpick the ever loving fuck out of him and anything he's involved withI would know,I'm a massive Revan fan
Putting aside it objectively the best direction the series can take in terms of storytelling
Realistically what are the odds the story actually takes the direction of Rey going darkside?
>>63986128
>Realistically what are the odds the story actually takes the direction of Rey going darkside?
90%
Everything is pointing to her turning.
>>63986473
You people are fucking insane. You desperately want this series to be so good you'll believe anything. There is no way in hell modern Star Wars has that much depth. Rey will stay a super strong woman who values her family and champions justice and vurtue above all else. Han Solo has a better chance too come back as a zombie than this shit. Stop giving credit where it isn't due. This series isn't capable of a turn that dramatic. Not anymore.
Get over it.
>>63987053
>You desperately want this series to be so good you'll believe anything.
>implying we don't work on the Disney writing staff.
>>63970780
The novel has come out, I have the ereader version.I literally bought it and I'm on page 4
>>63987053
You sound like you didn't watch the movie
>values her family
The whole point of Rey's character arc is her learning to let go of her family and pursue her destiny. She doesn't seem to care much about virtue or justice, she's just a scared girl who gets caught up in this adventure. She's literally terrified of the saber when she first grabs it. And eventually learns to use the Force because she has to (she's literally trapped, it seems like the only option). When she finally ignites the saber, that's when she's fully decided to become a Jedi.
Also if they were scared of making bold dramatic decisions, I don't think they would have had Han Solo get killed by his own son in the first movie, let alone have some dramatic scene where he caresses him across the face just as the sunlight has completely deleted.
>>63976207
>pure dark side is raw unyielding power, not oppression, corruption, or "evil"
>dark side = chaos gods
>>63970233
You know every woman wants to fuck her man's friends behind his back, especially when the friends are black.
Leia and Han obviously had a rocky relationship, Leia no doubt slept with Lando to piss off Han, as most degenerate woman would.
Thus Finn is born.
>>63975601
Finding Luke with missing map is literally a copy from KOTOR1 star maps.
>>63978974
Obi-Wan says that Vader is a Sith Lord.
>>63980815
After Finn refused to kill for them and before Snoke or Kylo knew about Raeh. The "awakening" refers to Finn, not Raeh.
Finn and many of the other FO stormtroopers taken from birth are force-sensitive babies. The First Order did not continue the practice of the empire of killing force-sensitive beings but instead recruited them as stormtroopers. They were not trained in the ways of the force because of the rule of 2.
The awakening that Snoke and Kylo spoke of in the movie wasn't referring to Rey because at that point, they hadn't become aware of her existence yet. The awakening happened when Finn felt the side of light, when he refused to kill for the First Order in the early parts of the film.
>>63982338
When Kylo and Snoke spoke of the "awakening" they hadn't met Raeh yet.
>>63991268
You skipped a lot of scenes. It happens right after the gangs/tentacle monster/Han Solo scene.
>>63991440
I've seen the movie three times. The "awakening" did happen before they met Raeh.
Plus, I don't think that's how "skip" works. I think you meant re-arranged.
>>63972107
underrated post right here
>>63991589
Plus they didn't know that Raeh was strong with the Force until Kylo caught her. Remember, even Snoke was surprised to know that she resisted him? Kylo's excuse was that she's strong with the force but is untrained. That is the very first time they became aware of her power.
>>63970233
>* Plagueis created Anakin theory
I always kinda assumed this was canon.
>>63991589
ESL?
You skipped over scenes that happen between Finn refusing to kill and the awakening line.
Don't play the pronoun game. There's the scene with Kylo slashing the monitors and asking, "What girl?" The way he asks it definitely makes it seem like he's worried it might be a specific girl. The awakening line is after Rey and Finn have met Han Solo in space. Then when Kylo sees her on the Maz's bar planet he calls her the girl he's heard so much about, presumably after the cut at the end of the monitor slashing/talking to an officer scene.
The line might be about Finn but if all you have is the sequence of scenes as evidence then you're way off.
And it's "Rey" you fuck, we all know about the helmet but that doesn't change how her name is spelled in every piece of canon material.
FINN is actually a double sleeper agent and i programmed to kill leia when the opportunity arises. I mean come on FN2187 directly references Leia's cell number back when she was imprisoned by the empire, that shit is a loose end and Snoke doesnt seem to fuck around.
It was too convenient for Finn to do everything he did
>>63991663
Just because you feel a ripple doesn't mean you necessarily have to know who or what it is.
Take Obi-Wan's line here
>I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.
He doesn't know Alderaan blew up specifically, just that shit went down. Just like Snoke and Kylo don't really know who awakened but they know the feeling specifically enough to call it an awakening.
>>63986327
Can I see the original? Who were they?
>>63992245
There's a bigger chance that JJ threw that in for Nostalgia factor and nothing else. Then again, name's have a lot of intentional subtext and meaning in the Star Wars universe, so who knows.
On the other hand, yeah, it is kind of weird how the first Order let him get away so easily, scott-free with no real restriction from Kylo or Phasma.
>>63970926
poetry
>>63977144
But Luke can speak to Han and Leia, maybe he suggested Ben
>>63992245
I kind of wish they'd teased that theory a bit by showing less of him in the early part of the movie. The way he acts throughout the film (even when he's alone and has zero reason to keep up an act) kills it, though.
>>63983239
Well, Snoke does mean "pike," which is a species of fish. And the design for gungans were loosely based off of various freshwater animals and fish.
It fits well with Qui-Gon's saying - "there's always a bigger fish."
And Snoke might be the biggest fish of them all.
-Hux is Luke's son and a double agent
-Rey is somehow related to Obi Wan
-Han survived because no one in Star Wars who falls down a shaft dies
-Snoke is Plagueis
-Sheev is alive
>>63992245
I kind of agree, Finn literally casually walked into Poe's cell said something like "Carlo wants to see him" then they walk away, cut to them escaping
Luke has a wife who's alive. (Who hopefully looks like and/or is named Mara Jade)
Snoke is actually tiny
>>63973406
That would be dumb as hell. Why do people want this? Would literally walk right out of the theatre if that were to happen.
Sheev and Darth Maul are working with Snoke (Plagueis)
>>63976014
I miss it when the Force was just a mystical energy that you could tap into with the right training and state of mind. Now I don't even know what the fuck it is, this shit sounds stupid.
Poe is Ezra Bridger's son.
>>63993054
Don't really care. The franchise became pretty much irredeemable in my eyes after the prequels.
I just want an amazing twist that mindfucks with people.
>>63993272
But the new films have literally nothing to do with the prequels
>>63976014
That's a lot more simple and reasonable than I was expecting from an "insane" fan theory
It'd be interesting to see
Snoke's only objective is to live forever. He uses his power to move his consciousness to a younger Sith, like Kylo Ren. When he says he will finish his Ren's training, he will begin implementing his mind into Ren's body.
There are multiple Death Stars left. There is no way the First Order put themselves in a position to only have a single plan in destroying their enemies/taking over the universe. During the time of the assault of the Death Star in VII, another death star was already under construction.
>>63979413
Then that would throw out every Plagueis theory.
>>63993256
His dad is named Kes Dameron
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kes_Dameron
>>63992689
Sheev and evil Luke
Here's my theory. The entire movie is one big meta clusterfuck.
>Kylo is a very powerful sith, just like TFA is a very powerful movie.
>Kylo is old powerful because of his grandpa, just like TFA is only popular because of the original trilogy.
>Kylo is actually a whiny bitch who dresses up like darth vader. However, he will only ever be a shitty lookalike.
>TFA is a shitty movie that dresses up in the clothes of episode one, but will never be more than a lame knockoff of the first trilogy.
>>63976014
>http://www.theladbible.com/articles/this-guy-s-insane-star-wars-the-force-awakens-theory-has-the-ultimate-twist
Jedis don't casually kill people, especially their fathers
>>63985794
I can't wait till I ask one of you meme-spouting diaper enthusiasts a legitimate question on the street, and you somehow find a way to relate it to 2bg4U. I will proceed, as if programmed by mk-ultra-style brainwashing, to throw an immediate left hook to your jaw, KOing you while standing. You will then fall back like a piece of plywood and crack the rear of your skull on the concrete. I will then convince everyone in the immediate vicinity, with the promise of 1 dollar, or a free bus ticket, to make their way to my position so as to give you a few boots and stomps to your head and neck.
>>63993775
Which is why he's not a Jedi or a Sith, he exists to bring balance by not being stuck in the static ways of either one
>>63976033
Dooku clearly wasn't much of a Sith, it can barely be said he was much of a apprentice to Sheev considering he was already a trained Jedi Master.
He was from an aristocratic family, and he has a bloodied history as a Jedi that took part in the Mandolorian Civil war, eventually prompting him to leave the order.
He's practically a gray jedi
>>63976207
Snoke/Plagueis is trying to control the force as a whole and likely isn't purely sith.
Resurrecting the dead doesn't exactly sound like a dark side power, and Plagueis was a scholar of the force so I'm sure he's aware of light side powers.
>>63979249
If Jar jar is snoke, then he's also plagueis and we'll see him much more grizzled and older.
We'll never hear him reference himself directly as Jar Jar Binks, or anyone else for that matter - the name will never be spoken, instead a statement will be made, to luke, "I've been influencing galactic politics from the shadows for the past 70 years, I was there at the beginning, at Naboo, at Tatooine, at Coruscant. I brought down the republic with thunderous applause and handed control to my unwitting apprentice - I was Darth Sidious's master, I am directly responsible for your father becoming a jedi and I influenced his rise to the dark side. Even now my strings pull your new republic. I am beyond the light and the dark. I am beyond mere life and death - I am the life of the force, and I am the death of it, and my deception is complete."
>>63994850
Makes me wonder if they'll still keep him as a gungan if that's the case. Or they can just give him some new appearance or body, since he basically turns his apprentices into body hosts after their death.
>>63980815
If snoke is a resurrected/ cloned vader or surviving sidious I'm going to throw a fucking bitchfit. Let them die already
>>63991268
Plagueis doesn't believe in the rule of 2, thought there could be a better system, so if he's collecting force sensitives he eventually intends to train them and discontinue the practice.
Sidious went around destroying force sensitives in comparison and his main schism with plagueis was the rule of 2
>>63993054
If it happens he'll never actually be named jar jar binks (which would have been a cover), he'll look older and grizzled but will still be a gungan, and there will be a vague confirmation confirming he's been pulling strings for the past 70 years+ as Darth Plagueis.
Which would mean the jar jar character was plagueis taking over a gungan body/reincarnating as a gungan
Sidious - From Naboo, recruited by Plagueis on Naboo
Jar Jar - From Naboo
Plagueis - likely died on Naboo
>>63970233
*Snoke is the Grand Inquisitor from Star Wars Rebels
Why is this theory not getting more attention? Snoke looks exactly like him, he has the same facial structure and everything. If it's not him, then they're the same species.
>>63985240
Luke going to the dark side is possible as fuck. Hell he's practically a gray jedi.
>>63971180
>voiced by Benedictus Cumbucket
Into the trash
>>63986125
The only way it works is if revan spent time in cyro outside the galaxy, where time moves faster, and then took a few trips in a black hole.
The Jedi Exile is more likely.
Snoke is more than a mere sith lord
>>63993054
It would be funny, memorable and it would anger crybabies like yourself.
>>63971082
Do you honestly believe Daisy Ridley could play a reincarnated Sheev?
>>63995673
She can't even play Rey
>>63971384
>naturally inclined to either side
No such thing
>>63994474
>Resurrecting the dead doesn't exactly sound like a dark side power,
Sure it is. In so much fiction, bringing people back to life always has severe consequences.
>>63977077
>Kylo / Ben was the apprentice that screwed things up for Luke. This is the same one mentioned by Han in the TFA.
How is this a theory? This is literally a plot point of TFA.
>>63979249
Are you an idiot for thinking it's plausible that it was Lucas' original intention? No.
Are you an idiot for thinking it's going to be a major part of the new trilogy? Yes.
>>63982483
>It literally looks like Kylo is asking for Han's permission to kill him
No matter how you look at it, this is definitely what he was asking. I don't think Han knew that though.
>>63987053
>implying rey turning to the dark side would be good
>>63992255
>suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced
>suddenly suddenly
bravo lucas
>>63992963
>-Han survived because no one in Star Wars who falls down a shaft dies
I hate this. Maul, Sheev, and I guess Boba Fett, surviving in the EU doesn't mean anything like that is going to happen in the actual movies. It's never happened in the movies before.
>>63970685
I'm confused
I want Star Wars to stop being a gigantic gay family reunion.
