>death star: destroyed
>death star 2: destroyed
>starkiller base: destroyed
will imperials eventually realize that the design is flawed?
>>63966446
A single kamikaze could take down a aircraft carrier
Doesnt mean its a flawed design. Nothing can be completely indestructible.
The psychologically effect that kind of thing has on your enemies is worth the risk, let alone it's actually destructive powers.
>>63966446
>we'll just build a bigger one!
>mfw star destroyers doing a trench run on a star sized superweapon
Where do you get the cash to build a fleet of star destroyers, let alone a battle station the size of a moon or a planet? Those contractors are making mad bank.
Rehashed story: check
Enemies that have been beaten before: check
Another Death Star which has been destroyed before: check
Gee I wonder why some people didn't feel any excitement or tension. It's almost as if this same shit has gotten tired and predictable or something.
What bugs me is that this problem is addressed by the new comic books, which should be canon, so how the fuck did Abrams thought this was a good idea?
>>63966732
Well the Empire has the combined economic powers of like a thousand populated planets.
Then add the fact the leader of said Empire is a fucking space wizard who could just mindfuck construction workers to work for free or some shit.
Also this is a movie aimed at kids to sell toys so stop asking these kinds of questions, they will just make up some bullshit. Go to any wookipedia article to see what I mean.
When they destroy the Force.
The thing about the force is that it literally manipulates the odds of shit happening so that the good guys will win against stupid odds. That's why Rey was such a shit character; audiences need that shit shoved in their face because they can't do subtlety.
>>63966852
5 foot sphere toy when?
>>63966446
>death star
>charges the beam for 15 second
>destroys the planet
>death star 2
>charges the beam for 15 second
>destroys the planet
>star killer base
>siphons the star for half an hour
>destroys the planet
explain this
>>63966718
That should have been in the movie.
>>63967043
Bigger is not always better.
>>63966718
>star destroyers doing a trench run
holy kek
>OT had a DeathStar
>new movie needs a climactic plot device to destroy
>create a huge, round, planet-destroying ship that will ultimately be destroyed by the protagonists
>"It's 100x bigger than the DeathStar™!" (they actually said this)
>have to come up with a name for it
>StarDeath is too obvious
>Star*KILLER*
Pottery
>death star's weak point can hardly be considered a flaw in its design. Only a force sensitive person like Luke could have made use of it to destroy the whole thing, any other person would have missed the shot. The emperor simply didn't think there were jedi left
>death star 2 was destroyed because the rebels were smart enough to attack the death star because it was finished
>starkiller base had an even bigger weak point than the original death star, there was no way to miss the shot
>no one ever tried attacking it before it was finished even though it must have taken decades to build because of its size
>>63966718
>the trench is so long they have to enter hyperspace to get to the thermal exhaust vent
>>63967043
star killer base could destroy 5 planets at the same time
>>63967043
They are not as good as the original Empire, so their super weapon is nigger rigged to where they have to have a extension cord plugged into the nearest power source.
Think of it like the Roman and the Holy Roman empire. Romans did it better first, like concrete, plumbing, and being a better empire over all.
>>63966718
I would actually pay to see this. The thermal exhaust port is as big as a planet and requires a full salvo of 3 destroyers launcher protons
>>63967117
Starkville was the original surname of Luke and Anakin. That's why it's called that. The sun shit was thrown in there to justify it.
>>63967249
Starkiller *
>have engineers smart enough to contain the entire mass of a star within the core of a planet without it collapsing into a black hole
>design it so that main shield for the entire installation can be deactivated by a low ranking officer in a small auxiliary control room
BRAVO DISNEY
>>63967249
Canonically it was their surname, or that's what writers were originally considering naming them?
>>63967274
>Luke will die by the hand of Kylo's new new base
>>63967403
Next time they'll use a gas giant.
And next next time they'll build it in a sun made out of ice.
>>63967127
>>death star 2 was destroyed because the rebels were smart enough to attack the death star before it was finished
Death Star II was bait to lure the rebel fleet into a battle. The rebels would have been screwed had they not happened to recruit the ewoks to assault the shield generator that was more heavily guarded than anticipated.
>>63966718
>>63967135
>>63967228
>Starwars 15
>deathstar 1,2 and starkiller base do trench run on galaxy sized battlestation
>all of them have to use their ray beams to destroy planet sized exhaust port
>>63966718
>>63967135
>>63967228
To think they escalated the scenario to stupid proportions, only to waste the opportunity to actually make overcoming said scenario visually impactful.
J.J. can't even do the only thing action flicks are good for right.
Once the sun was used up (and before) Starkiller base would have flown off at a tangent into interstellar space. WTF would they do then?
It's about the shittest thing in the film.
>>63967348
>low ranking officer
not defending that shit character, but she clearly was fairly high ranked.
During Hux's speech she was directly behind him on the stage in the center of some other high ranking stormtroopers. She is like queen stormtrooper as far as I can tell.
>>63966446
Will the screenwriters eventually figure out that the concept is trash?
>>63967348
Why didn't the new death star have AI? Every other robot seems to have one, except the most important one.
>>63966852
When the planet blew up a part of me died. I was really hoping they'd change it up and have the deathstar survive longer than a movie or at least just disable it and not destroy it completely
>>63967614
yea, they rehased one of the most famous parts of a famous movie series and they smashed box office records with said rehash movie,
yea anon, they are so dumb, gunna make billions, fucking num skulls right?
Superweapons are a fucking waste. It's more cost-effective to build capital ships and fighters with the resources, tech, and labor put into the Death Stars and Starkiller.
Or maintain a massive network of spies and surveillance to sniff out rebellion.
Even a chain of cheap space stations that are positioned in strategic locales with mass drivers to hurl asteroids are a better idea to instill terror.
>>63967519
>star wars 16
>galaxy sized battle station has to do a trench run on the multi-verse super weapon
>>63967749
yea, but muh nazi comparison and imagery.
How will we know who to root for is the bad guys are not literally nazis?
>>63967558
>To think they escalated the scenario to stupid proportions, only to waste the opportunity to actually make overcoming said scenario visually impactful.
seriously. the whole third act could have been a battle for the planet. Large scale ground action with Republic and New Order Fleets converging on the base. But nope we get the same small scale raid+trench run because lol remember when they did this in the OT
>>63967825
>one trench run takes three hours
What's the point of having a fucking planet as a weapong if some shitty mosquito-tier planes can blow up your weak point and destroy everything up.
Space nazis didn't thought this very well.
Also, I thought the
>it's bigger than the death star
thing was kinda a joke to the whole idea
>>63967993
>What's the point of having a fucking planet as a weapong if some shitty mosquito-tier planes can blow up your weak point
What's the point of having a fucking aircraft carries as a weapon if some shitty mosquito-tier planes can blow up your weak point
Its called risk reward anon. The power to destroy whole star systems was worth the weakness of being a giant target. I mean, they got what they wanted accomplished with it, they destroyed the Republic's capital.
>>63967348
Did it use up a whole star? I didn't get the impression that it did since there was still light on the planet and I think you see the nightlife terminator when it is blowing up
>>63968129
Why not just build a deathstar 3 but put a piece of plywood over the hole instead.
I mean they could build like two or three death stars instead with plywood covering the holes.
>>63968411
Why don't they just strap some engines on a planet? I don't think the rebels have a death star to blow the planet up, and a planet doesn't have a thermal vent.
In the next movie they will have the Death Star prototype Space Lightsaber and it will be destroyed once more! The suspense!
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>>63968129
aircraft carriers have these why didn't starkiller have something like that for their 3rd superweapon. they even said in IV that they didn't consider small aircraft to be a threat or they would've had smaller lazers equipped
"Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man." - Patton
I hope the narrative structure of the next two follows something more like Patton and Lawrence of Arabia, where the big political forces are mostly off screen and only rumored or heard about on screen. Big pitched battles against the personal duels. Like could have been done in RotJ but without the death star.
Braveheart in space.
Or put Death Star power-level weapons onto regular star destroyers to up the "hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned" trope and have a renewed legion of Jedi using the force to win a massive space-land-and-personal duels battle.
Dune with Jedi.
the Jedi temple can be the central prize which is fought for. Enough spherical superweapons.
>>63966718
BIG GUYS
ARE THE FUTURE
>>63966446
>starkiller
Wait, is that what it's called? I haven't seen the movie yet. Is there a background for that name? Or are they just reusing names now that the EU isn't canon.
>>63967348
It was so fucking dumb how easily she gives up and powers down the superweapon. I'd assume someone so promoted to that rank would be incredibly loyal or at least indoctrinated highly. But no a brief back and forth and she's like "oh welp i guess i'm taking the shields down hopefully my subordinates will stop you"
>>63968584
Finn is gonna have his hand cut off andPoeis going to save him because Finn will callhimthrough the force.
>>63966446
3 strikes anon
I'm guessing they won't have another big weapon. Disney knows it got some backlash in VII, especially after RotJ.
>>63966640
No US fleet carriers were sunk by kamikaze's
protip: Tiny little escort ships don't count
>>63967366
Lucas was originally going to give them that name.
>>63968872
Star Wars had a lot of versions before they made '77. The protagonist's last name was going to be Starkiller. They aren't stealing from The Force Unleashed.
>>63968872
They're just reusing the name, even though Starkiller was in an early draft for Luke Skywalker's last name.
>>63969034
They also can't pull the RotJ twist again where a half finished Starkiller base ends up actually being operational.
That said this is Disney, and if the Marvel movies have taught us anything it's that there will just be some new stupid McGuffin.
I really hope they avoid doing the thing 50% of Marvel movies do and have some little super cube/sphere that can destroy the universe that the heroes must protect/get back from the big bad.
>>63969124
>They aren't stealing from The Force Unleashed.
I know, but Force Unleashed used it. So it's kinda weird seeing it used again.
I'm going to have trouble separating Legends EU from Disney EU.
I wonder if they'll be reusing other names from the Legends EU.
>>63966446
>Will imperials eventually realize that the design is flawed?
No, and that's the point. The Empire is a a saturday morning cartoon bad-guy force, like cobra from G.I. Joe. They seem to have nearly unlimited resources and instead of doing smart things with them they build super-weapons. This of course directly references what the Axis powers were doing in WWII, the biggest tanks, the largest battleships, the largest artillery guns, etc... were all made by Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. In that historical context the superweapons make even more sense now than they did in the OT. When you can't outbuild your enemy in numbers (which they couldn't) you have to outbuild them in quality so that your tank can kill 10 of their tanks, or your battleship can fight 1:5 and keep going.
Overthinking Star Wars is a complete waste of time because the people making it (including George) didn't put as much thought into the 'why' as people think. It's like being a hardcore star trek fan and having to do the mental gymnastics to justify why the same 5 ship models keep showing up in 700+ tv episodes when the answer is clearly that they didn't have the budget to build new ship models so they just reused the ones that they had even if it made no sense for the universe.
Sometimes you guys make laugh irl.
>>63967043
Starkillerbase destroys 5 planets and shoots actross the galaxy.
BUT IT CAN ONLY EVER FIRE TWICE.
What a waste
>>63966446
if you build it, they will come
>>63968822
>3km tall window
>>63969401
EPIC SCREEN CAP, FRIEND! TO R/4CHAN!
FRONT PAGE HERE WE COME!
>>63969252
>new movies are Disney EU
no, they're the new movies
>>63969432
It didn't shoot across the galaxy, it was parked next to the sun, in the solar system in which they were destroying the planets at.
>>63969557
Starkiller's destruction was more a problem with the writers, not the space station. It's stated in the movie that they basically only expect to disable the weapon system, and that the planet imploding would just be a maybe. If the weapon hadn't been fully charged chances are disabling the occilator would not have destroyed the station.
I still think they should have gone with leaving the weapon disabled and feature it in the second movie with the clock ticking on the repairs of Starkiller, but again that's more of a problem with the writers. The base itself seemed to be fine.
>>63969790
The map posted here 2 days ago tells another story.
How the fuck could they keep a planet sized weapon secret next to coruscant?
>THE WEAPON WILL BE FULLY CHARGED IN 2 MINUTES
>10 minutes later
>THE WEAPON WILL BE FULLY CHARGED IN 30 SECONDS
>>63969892
How do you siphon the sun from the other end of the galaxy? The only reason the rebels knew they were on the xhairs was because their sun started getting dimmer.
>>63969981
>Implying time doesnt pass by slower in space
Holy fuck Americans never cease to amaze me
>>63966446
How about take all the metal used to build these giant space stations, and instead literally build millions of Star Destroyers and billions of Tie Fighters so you can have 100% control of every planet in the galaxy 24/7?
>>63969753
Well, Disney Canon. It's not really an extended universe anymore like it was before.
>>63970031
admin and manpower costs, mainly
1 big stick > 10,000 twigs
>>63969401
We Gurren Lagann now.
>>63969892
>>63970011
you guys are missing the real question here.
if an idea as STUPID as the Starkiller base got in an actual Star Wars film, what were the plots they rejected like?
>>63966943
The Empire has the wealth of millions of star systems.
>>63970071
>admin and manpower costs, mainly
Yeah, really big issues in a universe with clones and droids.
>>63969892
That wasnt Coruscant, the new Galactic Senat is always at the planet which is currently the host this time it was Hosnian Prime
>>63966943
> space wizard
i dont know why but it sound but insulting AND magnificient at the same time.
Like an actual merlin but in space, in comparison jedis are just weak, cant brew potions, no pointy hats, no lightsaber wands with spirit powers
space wizards are cool man
>>63966640
>A single kamikaze could take down a aircraft carrier
nope
how is there a snow planet right next to the sun?
>>63968129
A post-war fleet carrier has never been sunk in combat
>>63966640
An aircraft career doesn't flirt with bankrupting the entire government.
>>63970553
It was winter
>>63971045
How cold do winters get on Venus?
>>63967581
Yet she gave in and deactivated it like a low ranking stormtrooper.
>>63970071
10000 bound twigs > 1 big stick
Learn to facism
They could have built dozens of Death Stars with the amount of resources they spent on that Starkiller Base.
Where did they even get those resources and manpower now that the Empire is dead?
>>63971045
Thats not how winters work son.
>>63970553
>>63971091
being this retarded
also, I might have missed the part. Does Starkiller move from one solar system to another to drain the sun energy?
Cause that's what I thought it did.
>yfw the First Order will realize how easy is to infiltrate a spy in the good guys side
>the spy can literally say he was a stormtrooper and everyone will still trust him afterwards
>they will literally make their whole plan around something he said
so easy
>>63972015
Why did they need Starkiller base when a single Death Star is enough to kill a planet?
Range?
>>63966446
>Death Star
>Flawed
The exhaust port wasn't a flaw, however it was something that the Rebellion believed that they could exploit. However the size of the target was so small that their targeting computers couldn't actually pick it up (Red Leader's shot missed and Wedge later stated that he couldn't pick up the exhaust port, only the tower).
It took Luke's space magic to guide the torpedo to the target. Without it the Rebellion would have been destroyed.
>>63972228
Being able to destroy an entire solar system at once.
>>63966852
But if you rush through it really fast and don't leave time for things to digest then everyone will be on the edge of their seats, right?
>>63972247
I thought they only blew up the planet + some moons.
>>63972236
>to guide the torpedo to the target
luke did not 'force nudge' the torpedo in, it was just a reflex 'when do I press fire?" thing
>>63973112
What a huge and important difference.
>>63973593
Yeah, telekinesis and enhanced relfexes are totally the same thing and in no way affect how easy it is to blow up the Death Star.
>>63972051
Yes it is retard
We'd all freeze or burn if the Earth stopped spinning
>>63967825
>Star Wars 17
>Star Wars Universe has to do a trench run across the concept of infinity to hit a hole in hypertime so it can undo its own existence and the franchise can finally rest in peace
>building an energy storage hub completely exposed on your planet
I wonder what the meeting was like when they decided changing the name from deathstar 3 to "star killer" sounded good
>>63974200
It was under a shield and two dozen X wings throwing missiles at it did nothing until a special forces team of some of the galaxy's strongest people went in and blew a hole open from the inside with multiple strategically placed charges.
>>63973941
>star wars 18
>fifth dimensional necromancers resurrect the series to run trains on its trenches
Do deaths stars travel around space? Seems kinda funny to picture some guy driving a giant ball around space.
>>63974293
>han, chubaka, fin and muh Rey Sue
>special forces
>>63974347
I like to imagine they just orbit whatever body makes gravitational sense.
Planets when it's moon sized, stars when it's planet sized.
>>63966732
Don't the prequels go over all this? Interplanetary taxes and stuff. I dunno I haven't actual watched the prequels for a long time.
So wait did they build the planet or did they take an existing planet and put a massive gun inside it?
I was a little confused why it had trees
>>63974315
>Star Wars 19
>Great Lord Cthulhu awakens from his slumber, and begins to eradicate this world but is stopped by the ghost of L. Ron Hubbard whose Thetans became real world midichlorians do to the fuckery of Necromancers involved with previous film (CONTINUITY!), and L. Ron is now prequel Obi-Wan levels of bad ass, kicking Cthulhu's ass back to Ryleth, before going off to make war on Xenu in his 747 shaped Star Destroyer
>>63973805
They're effectively the same thing in this instance if they both have the same outcome.
Plus luke has displayed both abilities anyway.
>>63974493
I'd pay money to see this ridiculous concept realized
>>63975031
I think you're retarded. I understand what you mean by "it doesn't matter" because it doesn't affect the story. What it does effect is how much of an oversight the thermal exhaust port is by the Empire.
>>63970042
Since Disney is the official owner of Star Wars now, that makes it officially official canon
>>63974492
The trees were there to prevent soil erosion.
>>63975080
I think you think I'm retarded because I don't understand your point, when in fact you haven't explained your point at all.
Furthermore both a force nude and enhanced reflexes both amount to making the torpedo more accurate. So can you explain exactly what the difference is? (I'm a little slow, sorry)
>>63969557
Atleast it's not a /v/ screencap where they plaster the screencap full of reaction images and enlarge random bits of text.
>>63975046
Did I tell you about the part, where the sequel movie would only be released in specially equipped movie theaters? It would be an interactive film!
>You sit down to watch Star Wars 20
>Movie begins, L. Ron is cruising around in his bitchin' 747 Star Destroyer, fuckin' bitches takin' names all that good stuff
>Xenu (who is a reanimated Snoke II from XVI who was a reanimated Snoke Prime from XIV, who was a reanimated Red Snoke from XIII, who was a reanimated Awoken Snoke XI who was a reanimated Snoke from VII-IX, who is a reanimated Darth Vader) shows up, starts talking shit
>All of a sudden, a big light shines up between everyone's legs, as the specially installed Interaction Bin(TM) rises up before the viewers, instructing them to support scientology with cash donations by throwing money into the bin (there's a credit card reader on the side for convenience)
>The audience goes through the movie, and every time L. Ron Hubbard tries to overpower Xenu, he will use the power of Scientology (which comes for symbolic donations via the Interaction Bins) and the audience has to support him in real time
>Ending of the movie depends on how much they supported him in the various scenes with 4-5 endings
They should try making it a cube just to see what happens
>>63974380
Infamous smuggler and gunslinger
Muscleman that can rip arms out of sockets
Former stormtrooper, one of the most feared soldier types in the galaxy
Jedi chick who can beat down multiple dudes at a time
To say those aren't comparable or stronger than the SW version of special forces is stupid. Compared to the Rogue One crew, this gang is super op.
>>63968791
>Braveheart in space.
>Dune with Jedi.
Will Star Wars ever have a concluding battle without a large lethal sphere?
>>63975443
>Bizarro Death Star
>If you fire at its weak point, your entire fleet explodes instead
Why didn't they think of this before! You're a genius Anon!
>>63975483
Revenge of the Jedi had one.
>>63975285
If it's just reflexes then an alien, droid, or better computer might be able to pull it off.
If it requires telekinesis and is impossible otherwise then it's more excusable for the Empire but harder to rationalize Luke having that kind of power.
>extremely important FO base/superweapon
>has hardly any guards
>has hardly any AA guns
Even japo shit-boats in the pacific had better defenses
>>63975480
>literally just a smuggler
>one of a species of creature that can all do that shit
>janitor for the first order that freaked out on his first battle and defected
>literally Mary Sue
Yeah OK
>first death star is perfectly capable of destroying a planet
>let's build a bigger one for some reason
>>63975610
>Literally anyone can just walk in and out
>No cameras to track anyone with (there were cameras in the First Death Star, and they only ever got out of there because it was Tarkin's plan)
It's more difficult to break out of a prison in the avarage Western Movie, than to infiltrate/escape the Starkiller Base as long as the one guy who can sense their presence via magic isn't there, and even he didn't notice them until Han shouted at himAlthough that one bit is cloudy, maybe I remember it wrong
>>63975480
An old man
One wookiee
A space janitor
And some chick who thinks she might be a Jedi but has no actual training (relying on the plot to hand you powers as you need them is really stupid and rarely works in real space combat situations)
They're not who I would send in first, but at least they didn't bring fucking C-3PO with them this time.
>>63975761
This.
Why not build several in strategic locations and fuck shit up all at once?
>the rebels in charge of Intel
How do you let somebody build a fucking planet sized weapon and not notice the huge demand for materials in one solar system?
>>63966943
JUST
TURN
YOUR
BRAIN
OFF
:^)
>>63975778
He knew Han and Chewie were in the room but he didn't know where. Maybe he just deduced that they would go there, but since hes a space wizard of at least some power Im going to assume he could sense them.
>>63975778
Kylo knew Han was there but he hadn't fond him yet - he was wondering around looking for him iirc
My guess is locating people via the force is more like a sense of smell than a radar
>>63975921
>>63975988
Ah alright, was a bit fuzzy on that.
Seriously though on the main point, imagine if for whatever reason, Kylo Ren was not on the Starkiller base when they got there.
They barely found them because of his involvement, and the fact that he sensed they arrived.
If he goes off the base, they could have gone in and out without anyone noticing.
This in the single most important base of the First Order, which somehow Snoke still didn't sound that about when he heard it's lost.
>>63968822
The death star is that big and they managed fine
>>63975656
>>63975832
Old smuggler who smuggles them into a place they aren't supposed to be
One wookie who can fuck up pretty much anyone, fucks up Kylo Ren a bit
Space janitor who is so thirsty he chases that white girl across the galaxy, has the power of boners
Chick character in 2015, making her potentially the most powerful character presently relevant
Nice try contrarians.
>>63975580
That's a fair point then.
You should have said that in the first place.
>>63976057
Yeah security on Starkiller Base was worse than on fucking Babylon 5. I guess they put all their faith in the planetary shield to protect them, but that doesn't explain why they just went "fuck it she'll turn up" when a Jedi prisoner escaped.
>>63966732
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iQdDRrcAOjA
Obligatory
>>63976469
Adam Driver actually talked about this as his motivation for Kylo.
>The idea of two sides thinking that they're both right, both sides kind of commit this mass murder. You have the Death Star [that was destroyed] and all the people that were on there, they all had families and things like that. The line between the light and the dark is very fine, I'd say.
>>63976462
The planetary shield doesn't make any sense either.
I mean Han instantly figured out how a hyperdrive might get past it.
Let's say that the First Order just assumes that the Rebels wouldn't be crazy enough to try.
1) What if they are crazy enough, and they come out of hyperspace too late, crashing into the Death Star at relativistic speeds right above the room which is the weak point, and is literally just under the surface?
2) What if the Rebels really aren't crazy enough to try it themselves, but use some old droid ships to do it?
3) What if the Rebels just use rockets with mini hyper drives?
What is the purpose of a shield that doesn't keep things out?
>>63966446
Yes, they should definitely stop trying to build giant ball shaped space stations with planet destroying laser beams and weak points that can blow the whole thing up. They'll probably build another one next movie or the one after it though.
If they really gotta destroy a planet, how about using impractically huge bombs instead? Just like in my Chinese cartoons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzWfu3STLtQ
>>63976656
The number of ship/pilot combos that could realistically pull that off are very few. Even if one of the say dozen ships that could do it got through, they've got hundreds, possibly thousands of TIE fighters stationed on the planet.
Droid ships might be able to do it, but then again Starkiller is clearly a mobile station so the enemy would need constant surveillance to pull it off. Beyond that, maybe none of them know how to program an astromech droid to do something that its intrinsically designed not to do - fly at warp speed into rocks.
Ballistic tech in SW generally sucks because everyone moved over to energy weapons and their virtually limitless ammo.
>>63976988
>The number of ship/pilot combos that could realistically pull that off are very few. Even if one of the say dozen ships that could do it got through, they've got hundreds, possibly thousands of TIE fighters stationed on the planet.
Where were they when the Millenium Falcon got through?
That's my problem. There was no system to detect when the Shield went belly up, and no response ready to eliminate the intruders.
And this one the biggest, most ambitious space stations.
>>63976462
>why they just went "fuck it she'll turn up" when a Jedi prisoner escaped.
There's a scene where some guy is reporting to Kylo on where she might be and Kylo says "she only just discovering her power." Plus she's doing the sneaky obi-wan thing.
>I mean Han instantly figured out how a hyperdrive might get past it.
You mean Han knew a trick to a particular piece of technology? A smuggler of illegal shit knows how to bypass a certain kind of shield? The rogue archetype knew about a risky back door? It's the same as his floating away with the garbage trick, it's just a little thing he picked up working in the black market for decades.
Crashing into shit in hyperspace fucks you up, not what you hit. Why? Because that's not how it works. Star Wars has space ships that fly like planes in atmospheres, physics isn't really the focus here.
I interpret this, so right here I admit his is my own view and only based on the movie not stated in it, as a trick only Han and maybe Poe could pull off. It might have to do with the Falcon the same way he made the kessel run in 12 parsecs, that either shows the hunk of junk has some tricks up her sleeve or han is just that fucking good to set the record with a crap ship. Either way, he says Leia wouldn't like it. That implies it's probably too suicidal even for the Rebels/Resistance.
>>63976656
Personally I would put a hyperdrive on an asteroid and use that rather than a superweapon.
But it's never really said that hyperdrives would work like that in the movie, maybe it's like a little bubble of space that implodes under it's own mass when it's burst, and makes a little black hole lasting just long enough to suck a single ship into it.
When you think about dumb stuff like star wars, it's more fun to think up explanations than to just nitpick
>>63977069
>There was no system to detect when the Shield went belly up
Han says he's got to stay low to avoid their sensors while they crash through the trees.
>>63968878
Poetry, rhymes, etc.
>>63967707
Yes, I was really hoping they would have just been able to destroy it. It doesn't make sense that attacking one part of something that big would blow it up completely in so short a time (unless its designed by a complete idiot).
Even better would be if the weak spot Finn pulled out of his ass wasn't actually the weakness and the think fired and destroyed the resistance base planet.
>>63977594
>unless its designed by a complete idiot
w-what if it was?
>>63968411
They should have built two death stars, put them right up against one another with their exhaust points touching. zero weakness ultimate weapon.
>>63977594
Sorry, contract rules
All giant planet-destroying space stations are required by law to have a small exposed weak spot that you can attack to destroy it completely.
Just like Bowser from Super Mario Bros. is required at all times to be near a lava pit or other type of cliff any time he is battling Mario.
I USED TO BULLSEYE WOMP RATS IN MY T16 BACK HOME
>>63977658
>exhausting into each other
lewd
>>63977775
I loved the movie, but it's sad that they have had 30+ years to come up with a sequel and they end up rehashing the death star, again. I really hope they come up with something original for the next two.
>>63977528
So they have a system that is easily circumvented.
How exactly don't any sensors pick up the fact that half a forest just got destroyed though is beyond me.
>>63977408
My nitpicks are thinking up explanations though. Explanations for all the various ways the Star Killer Base could have been destroyed even easier by the Resistance or anyone else trying.
For example: They don't even need Poe to fly through a tiny hole!
All they really needed was some Y-Wings with their photon torpedos. Blast the shit out of the wall at the end of the trench. They must be able to do as much damage as a couple satchel charages.
Once the hole is open, just keep sending photon torpedoes. Blow that entire room to hell, and enjoy the spectacle.
Maybe park a single ship with turbo lasers, maybe a republic Star Destroyer (You know they ought to have them, right?) and just bombard the surface installation from space. It's not like they need another death star to damage it, if satchel charges and X-Wing blasters did the trick and it's right there on the surface.
Infact, hey that hyper drive trick! Maybe you can only really get like a ship past the shield, but what's stopping you from packing said ship with as many explosives as will fit, strapping a Pilot droid into the driver's seat and telling him how he'll fly forever free, shiny and chrome before sending him off to kamikaze the fuck out of that thing?
These are all valid things that could happen just as likely as the Millenium Falcon coming in, but the base didn't appear remotely prepared to handle the situation.
Even after Kylo sensed the intrusion, four people managed to run around the base without being caught, not even mentioning the fact that they could casually walk into the shield control room, and catch one of the highest ranking officers without guards to protect her.
No military installation in the history of fiction itself was run or designed this incompetently.
>expecting logic from a kids film franchise
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>63970115
All of EU
>>63977983
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>Starkiller base drains the star of it's energy
>Blows shit up
>Star no longer exists, energy is expelled across the galaxy to blow shit up
>No gravity for SKB to not just fly off into space
>No star for SKB to power it's weapons from
SKB was just a hollowed out planet, it doesn't have a hyperdrive.
SKB was the weakest part of the film by a very, very long way.
>>63972462
those were no moons.
>>63977953
"flying under the radar"
It's like you think the entire planet should have a skin of sensors in it. Most of the exterior is just planet, the base part is in that rim around it.
You don't really seem to understand what was happening at the end.
The hand held explosives did so much damage because they set them up inside the building. Proton torpedoes weren't doing damage to the outside of the oscillator, that's why Poe had to fly inside it to blow it up. The satchels cracked it open and let Poe fly around shooting proton torpedoes, not lasers.
>>63977069
They didn't see it because it happened close to the surface, which confuses their sensors according to Finn when they are trying to escape the TIEs on Jakku. That's why the Falcon had to smash through all those trees. It's silly, but at least its consistent.
They did send some troops to address the shield problem, but I'm not really sure how many they were supposed to send. There were at least 20+ fully armed storm troopers shown in that sequence, which you'd generally assume is enough to address something they have no reason to believe isn't a malfunction or someone fucking up at the shield controls.
>>63967101
Sure about that dude?
>>63973819
Nope
Spinning gives night and day and probably helps create the magnetic field that shield us from cosmic rays etc
Seasons are due to earth tilt and elliptical orbit
>>63978363
Right, so it's made of magic metal, that is tougher on the outside.
>>63978390
"They sent some troops" "Shield problem"
The entire first line of defence disappearing sounds like more than a "send a few troops to check the problem" sort of situation. Doesn't it?
This of course is both of you ignoring the points here>>63977953 wherein there is
>No Functioning Surveillance of the base's most crucial systems
In A New Hope, Stormtroopers were dispatched almost as soon as Han and Luke took out the little mini-command centre that didn't even do anything but oversee a single, small hangar. Same happens with the prison block. But somehow, they avoid all of it in TFA, without as much as the disguises they had in ANH.
>No one locks down any systems out of precaution
>There are no checkpoints
>High ranking officers that have access to the systems have no escort
The list goes on.
Seriously though on >>63978363's side. I get what you mean. But if some satchel charges could do that from the inside, how much fire power do you think it takes to realistically take it out from the outside? Because the only explanation you can possibly give for why it's weak from inside but strong from outside while it's just a wall, is that it has plot armour.
>>63978749
The room isn't just a big metal box, it's channeling massive energy. It was damaged by the small explosives, causing some stuff to malfunction. It cracks, explosions have to go somewhere. You're comparing the strength of the outside armor to the technical components inside the huge room, it's obviously going to be different.
How come the hub planet of the senate didn't have any sort of shield or defense system?
I can understand some shithole desert planet in the middle of nowhere, but how the fuck do they not have the best possible shields to protect their leaders.
>>63977983
>>63978749
They aren't expecting an attack, so the shields going down by senior officer command isn't exactly cause for alarm. Sure they could have sent people to check it out, which they did. The place is crawling with Stormtroopers which is why the team has to skulk around.
What lockdown they do try to initiate, Rey bypasses with scavenger know-how. It's a bit too convenient sure, but her pulling fuses is a nice departure from watching 6 movies of R2-D2 fucking computer sockets.
>>63970420
What of the kamikaze was armed with a nuke? Huh, what then???
>get 3 gozillian credit deathplanets detroyed by enemy fighter planes
>dont upgrade your own fighter program
This kills the empire
