Best fight, superior to Rey VS. Kylo
Debate me, bros.
Too short but it was ok
Kylo didn't look as sloppy in it as in the one against Rey.
>angry angsty kylo
>angry finn
>"that belongs to me!!!"
>"come and get it!"
>random side punching
>kylo only sorta better with the saber
>finn holds his own for a bit
>that uppercut
indeed better than kylo vs. rey
Looks very ho-hum.
Why wouldn't Kylo just snap Finn's neck with the force, retrieve the lightsaber with the force, and then be on his merry way? Is it because that wasn't what was in the script?
I bet tv is pissed that there weren't any ridiculous flips and jumps like the prequels light saber fights.
>>63963416
It's because Ren got shot in the chest by the strongest gun in the movie and he wanted to fuck up that traitor.
>>63963306
Certainly, but he didnt have his arm hit with a lightsaber before that point. People seem to forget the fact that he tanked one of those bowcaster shots(which si the equivellent of being hit by a car apparently, given how every time it hits someone it sends them flying) and has been hit with a lightsaber, yet still holds his own. That said though, after all this it wouldve been way more impressive had he actually beat Rey too, an actual setup for a physically determined antagonist.
>>63963416
Because he was wounded. Why do people forget that Chewie fucking shot him a few minutes earlier. Kylo was nowhere near 100% during both Finn and Rey fights.
>>63963154
I loved this one. the one with rey didn't feel as badass. When Finn picked up the lightsaber you could tell he was scared shitless but he still rose to the occasion even though he got his ass kicked.
>>63963501
What does being wounded have to do with anything? It would seem less strenuous to just choke Finn and pick up the lighstaber rather than charging into physical combat.
>>63963501
I always thought that was pretty obvious. He even beats his wound to try to enrage himself to do better since he is so fucked up.
>>63963363
>random side punching
proof that the average /tv/ user doesn't watch movies
>>63963552
Using the force requires mental focus. Ren just killed his dad and got shot with the most powerful gun in the movie.
>>63963634
>Ren just killed his dad
Dark side users only get more powerful from doing edgy bullshit like this.
>>63963416
Fin is a regular Joe with no Force enhanced reactions and precog, he is just swinging the sword like a club, that's exactly why Fin got REKT by Tray Tor and by Ren.
But you have missed something.
Check it out now. >>63963154
Ren is showboating, he is toying with Fin, doing fancy moves and shit
Notice how when Fin managed to nick him, it took literally 3 seconds and 3 moves for Ren to end the fight.
>>63963154
It was the better fight objectively.
Rey was a fucking mary sue in the second half.I hated when she force pulled the lightsaber when before she touched Lukes saber, there wasn't anything that led up to it before that
>>63963154
Why does he keep hitting himself?
>>63963671
Are you literally retarded?
The entire point of his character is that he is conflicted between the dark and the good, killing his dad doesn't help with that
>>63963701
Pain is good for the emo side of the Force.
>>63963701
>pain leads to anger
>anger leads to hate
>hate leads to suffering
>suffering is the path to the Dark Side
He was boosting
>>63963416
Because it was a poorly written third act
>>63963703
>killing his dad doesn't help with that
It pushes him towards the dark side kind of like how Anakin's eyes started to glow Sith yellow after the Silence of the Younglings. Even if you're conflicted, guilt and remorse and pain only fuels connection to the dark side of the force.
>the negro needed whitey to save his ass
kek
>>63963750
He's not a Sith though. Imo I think he thought that killing his dad would help him grow in power, but it ends up fucking him over.
>>63963776
Ya, his face when he kills Han is pretty much regret. He knew he just fucked up
>>63963363
>random side punching
he hit the wound, it wasn't random
>only sorta better
he was toying with the nigger, after he got hit he got serious and ended it instantly
>finn holds his own for a bit
no he doesn't
I love that anakin's saber is smooth while Kylo's saber is wonky and shit
>>63963732
Can't they just cut the middle steps, pain kinda leads to suffering by default
>>63963791
There's mention of him going through some sort of "training" with Snoke (or whatever else he says, I can't remember exactly). I think part of it is trying to remove everything from his life that could make him turn to the light side, ergo his dad.
And then when he finally goes through with murdering his own father, he realizes he's messed up. It doesn't help him. It just makes him weaker, seeing as he tried to do something which only hurt him.
>>63963701
>Why does he keep hitting himself?
The same reason why Emo girls cut themselves. Pain makes you a better Emo.
>>63963866
Kylo is set up to be the most interesting character in Ep 8. as long as they get rid of that whiny side of him
>>63963701
He's punching his blaster wound to get himself angry. All berzerker and sith and shit.
>>63963154
>Best fight
Nah.
>>63963701
It's the equivalent of slapping yourself to stay awake. It's to help him regain focus and numb the pain of the wound somewhat.
>>63963899
I think the whiny-ness of Kylo makes him interesting. He's clearly not suited to be in such a high position of power. He's an immature shit, that's what. Although I can understand why people dislike it, lol. I just find it funny, seeing as Kylo is myhusbando.
>>63963453
He should have beat her and then she can have her feminist revenge porn next movie. But you're not allowed to hurt the Mary Sue
Kylo is Zuko you fucking retards how hard is that to get?
>>63963154
Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul is still best fight.
I hope they get a rematch in the future, even if Finn doesn't turn out to be Force-sensitive.
>>63963963
Actuall its not that bad, but seeing Snoke be so... not calm kinda makes the villains seem too whiny as a whole. Snoke should've been more collected like the Emperor
>>63963951
I was just happy to see a Stormtrooper doing something engaging for once. Instead of being basted into cornflakes by Rebels.
>>63963860
Yoda said so, gotta throw it back at him.
>>63963776
>>63963866
He was emotionally unstable short term, but lo0ng term it will help him gain more Dark Side power.
>>63964027
should have used captain phasma instead of a generic stormie
>>63963501
And? He uses the Force on Rey 10sec before, he could have done it to Finn too.
>>63963416
He wanted to humiliate Finn, but then Finn landed a blow and he stopped fucking around.
About 2 seconds after he decides to get serious he slices Finn to shit.
>>63964026
I see what you mean, yeah. Although we still have no fucking idea who Snoke really is or what his /true/ intentions are, so we'll have to see why he's so "not calm" as you described him in the later films.
>>63964028
Yeah, long term. I just think he didn't realize how painful it would be to kill his own father at the time. Like, he was distraught by it, so it weakened him when he fought against Rey and Finn.
>>63964063
I keep thinking this. Phasma is so useless in TFA, why didn't they just have her fight against Finn? It would have had the same impact in the end, seeing as Finn betrayed his fellow Stormtroopers (including Phasma).
>>63963991
I got these vibes major big-time 5 sure.
>>63963154
rey was a non-character, so her fight had no impact
>>63964068
He was obviously toying around with him. The moment he got hit, he got serious and beat him in 3 seconds.
>>63963951
justice for Traytor Martin
Not much to debate. It was a better fight, visually, but also on a story level too.
Rey's ridiculous "I'm good at everything!" character made it boring. In that fight, fucking Ben Solo was the underdog.
When Joe Sixpack, the Janitor, takes up a lightsaber against the current black knight, he's being brave IN SPITE of his abilities, unlike Rey who is brave BECAUSE of them.
tl;dr finn is interesting, rey is boring
But I agree.
I wish we got to see regular dudes handle light sabers more. I really liked that this movie de-mystified them a bit. Specifically how when Finn tells the little old lady he needs a weapon, and her response is 'You're holding one, you idiot'
>>63963991
Samefag thought continuation: I wonder if he will get the exact same "lel lost my magic juice because I'm not mean anymore" story arc at some point, too.
>>63963701
He got shot by the most powerful blaster in the serie.
>>63964063
agreed
>>63964068
read>>63963683
Showboating, humiliating, toying.
>>63964164
I imagine Rey's darker more imperfect side is gonna show in Ep. 8 as she trains with Luke, but Kylo's good side is gonna show as he trains with Snoke. I think Ep. 8 will be the empire though, as I've personally enjoyed all of Rian Johnsons work so far
Poetry
>>63963991
He's even got a gnarly face scare now too
any webm of the girl star wars charcter vs the bad guy?
>>63963154
>burning him with the exhaust port
fuckin nice
>>63964219
I'm like 80% sure that if the earth didn't splittered she would have killed Ren
If they'd have some unique, memorable piece of music they'd have been one of the best duels in the franchise
>>63964305
It would have been nice to have seen her start swinging before it separates them
>>63964294
>>63963951
Just a thought. Would this fight have been better if the Storm Trooper was Phasma? Whether she dies or not, it would have added more leverage to her character.
>>63964343
I think you're right anon. Unless they're saving her combat debut for a bigger moment
>>63963701
hes hitting where he got shot with a laser crossbow to psyche himself up and overpower the pain with rage
>>63964329
Finn is the best character in this movie.
His only motive the whole movie is fleeing, he's a coward all around, then man up when he sees the power of the Starkiller, and when the one he loves gets BTFO he takes a lightsaber and confronts a fucking Dark Jedi on 1v1.
>>63963634
>Using the force requires mental focus.
But he did use the force just before the fight. He force pushed Rey into a tree.
Look https://a.pomf.cat/euoiny.mp4
>>63964343
I like it the way it is. Fin is not special, he should not have special opponents. Getting REKT by a regular Stormtrooper like himself was nice.
>>63963951
i like how tr 8r was apparantly fighting with what, a blaster and a shield?
>>63963154
>people act like finn held his own against kylo
kylo is toying with him, he even knocks him down but doesn't follow up.
then finn gets a lucky hit in and kylo immediately disarms him.
>>63964343
The fight itself wouldn't be. But having Phasma do literally anything would add something to her character. I'm actually fine with her being a non character though, effectively just being the chrome armor.
Like, she didn't get that shiny armor because shes a badass. She got it because it makes her look impressive, and the First Order needs its middle management to look nice.
If I was injured and fighring agaisnt a force unsensitive enemy Id use the force take him out asap.
So to me thats eighter just shit writing or they are trying to say Kylo is a really stupid and unskilled motherfucker.
>>63964010
it's fucking shit
Somebody post the webm where his face gets slashed.
>>63964396
I agree with your reasoning (altho I prefer Ren as a character).
Just shows how much he stepped up when the moment arrived to face a Froce user 1v1.
Ren toyed with him, showing him how inefficient he is and took care of business with three moves after Fin managed to nick Ren by luck. Gives even more props to Fin for having the balls to do it.
>>63964467
>then finn gets a lucky hit
It looked like Kylo was lucky to hit Finn not the other way around
>>63964526
What? no Kylo completely toyed with him and dominated until he was hit and became serious
>>63964305
>>63964312
what possible reason could you have to leave a child on a shitty desert planet?
1. To keep her safe
2. To keep everyone else safe from her
Rey will be darker than luke ever was, i'm sure of it.
>>63964526
Watch the webms of the fight please idort.
>>63964458
Given how blasters seem to work, with mostly surface impacting 'blasts' it's kind of surprising shields aren't more widely used.
>>63964436
>Spends most of the fight running away
>barely keeping pace with Ren, even with his injuries
Yeah, she got lucky.
>>63964567
>Kylo completely toyed with him
He could just use the force too painfully kill Finn, like break his bones and force choke him if he wanted to toy with him. He didn't look all that superior in lightsaber fight
>>63964624
>Given how blasters seem to work, with mostly surface impacting 'blasts' it's kind of surprising shields aren't more widely used.
Requires large power sources, some stormtroopers had them but weren't very useful
>>63964575
She has way too much emotions.
But still she will be like Luke. Luke told Yoda to fuck off and flied to the help of his friend;_;.
The strong point is that even though she acts through her emotions, the only negative one is the fear of never seeing her "parents" again. Otherwise she's very pure and innocent, she acts instinctevly like a feral child
>>63964638
kylo was a real hero
>>63964668
>He could just use the force too painfully kill Finn,
Yes. The reason he didn't do that is because HE WAS TOYING WITH HIM
>>63963701
>you have a hole in your gut
>you are outside on a cold, snowy planet
probably to keep his senses sharp I don't know it looked cool so whatever
>>63964547
this is worse than capeshit
SCREENER RELEASE FUCKING WHEN?
>>63964612
I literally just watched the movie for the second time in theater you faggot
>>63964436
>that webm
I don't see why people would hate on Kylo losing this fight. Rey is clearly getting rekt for 90% of this fight and by a guy who just been in one short duel, shot to the body and cut on the shoulder if his dominant sword hand. Rey completely catches him off guard.
>>63964547
That was weak as fuck the way the fight just changes in favor of Rey. I guarantee that Ren will beat Rey in the next movie, so that in the last movie its actually up in the air as to who is stronger.
>>63964361
>>63964677
>“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”
Rey's primary emotion in TFA is fear.
She's gonna fall in ep 8 and redeem herself in ep 9.
The downer 'empire' style ending will be the good guys losing their most powerful asset, (but maybe gaining kylo as a consolation prize)
>>63964702
>can possibly break every bone in his entire body by using the force
>that's not toying
>barely hit him in lightsaber fight
>THAT'S TOTALLY TOYING HOLY SHIT HE ABSOLUTELLY DESTROYED HIM
>>63964361
>>63964436
>>63964547
>>63964638
lol. I can't believe people actually like star wars. Is there a more normalfag pleb fanbase?
>>63964624
>Yeah, she got lucky.
Yes. Trouble is people are quick to judge and slow to think these days. TFA SHOWS what's going on without TELLING.
Despite the wound, the emotional and physical trauma, Ren absolutely REKT Fin and even played around with him beforehand to show him how useless is a stormtrooper with a lightsabre.
He the proceeded to spare Rey several times, he could have easily killed her there, she kept running the whole time, he could have easily destroyed her with the Force or with 3 moves, like he did Fin. People don't realize he wanted to turn her, like the Emperor wanted Luke in ROTJ. Ren wanted her to be his apprentice.
Then she uses the Froce to overwhelm him at the end of the fight, which in no way undermines his abilities. He absolutely dominated both Fin and Rey despite his life threatening injury and emotional trauma after killing his father.
>>63964706
>>63964796
Here's your reply
>>63964436
sometimes the glow of kylos saber looks like a cock n' balls
>literally shot with a Bow Caster, the most powerful handheld projectile/laser weapon in Canon
>still wanting to fight
I don't see what people are complaining about with this fight. This guy was not any where near 60% and yet he did everything he could.
>>63964547
look how angry she is here, she's more of a sith then he is at this moment
>the force breakthrough that allows her to win isnt the light side of the force, its the dark side
>>63963701
That was disturbing in a right way. Driver is pretty good.
>>63964361
Can someone make an explanation for this webm? What's happening here? Surely it can't be that Kylo is too weak to simply move an 11 inch piece of metal. Is Rey pushing it as he pulls it, thus creating some sort of tug-o-war effect? That would make no sense, because she's behind him, she'd be pulling it too. So suppose she just pulls it stronger than he does (which is mary sue as fuck), it wouldn't hold still for a few seconds. Since they're both applying the Force in the same direction, it would move quickly (since it has having double the required Force applied to it). What I really hope isn't happening, though I fear it is, is that JJ is pushing some sort of "the lightsaber is special and can only be used by those true to the light side of the Force" meme, which is borderline midichlorian-tier. In ANH Obi Wan says that the force is an energy field created by all living things, which makes the Force necessarily anthropocentric and not just a kind of ambient mysticism that can be contained inside an inanimate object. I hate this scene so much, it makes the Force a kind of crapshoot instead of something that is always present but only accessible to those who have put in the time to master it.
I've heard it said that maybe Luke did some kind of Force wizardry to imbue the lightsaber with some kind of power, but to me that seems like Siddhartha making a chair reach Nirvana, it just wouldn't make sense. Also, I don't believe Luke was planning to lose his fucking hand at the end of TESB, so it'd be suspect to me if he did a quick spell as it was tumbling thosands of feet to its supposed grave.
If objects could be more or less Force sensitive, why didn't Luke have the same sort of connection with the lightsaber when he first gets it from Obi Wan? What I hate so much about this magic lightsaber meme is that it takes the Force out of the hands of the Jedi or Sith and instead just makes it some deterministic coverall where nobody really matters.
>>63964792
>but maybe gaining kylo as a consolation prize
They will gain Phasma.
The reason we didn't see her without her helmet is because she will appear as an ally without in 8 without revealing her identity. She will then betray them but save them nonetheless at the end ala Lando.
In the book the troopers come and rescue 'emo goth' Ren leaving the heroes to die with the planet - and Ren internal dialogue makes it clear Finn is using the force but not really embracing it so a bit rubbish
Guess it was cut as people thought the troopers would have just shot them up anyway
The troopers and first order are pretty shit at fighting anyway - trained from birth and still get shattered by republic forces and gunned down by a scavenger who never fired a gun before
Oth republic having their entire fleet in one system whilst knowing first order have the star killer base is shit as well
>>63964808
People are just butthurt some chick beat the character that they identified with
>>63964868
Ah shit Finn is force sensitive confirmed
>>63963154
Shouldn't even have happened considering Ren could at any point use the force to take the lightsaber out of Finn's hand. God damn this movie falls apart as soon as you put any thought into it.
lol. why are star wars fags saying chewbaccas gun is the most powerful blah blah blah. like star wars is so fucking Reddit that weapons have stats and shit. FUCKING LOL.
>>63964743
>>63964766
Agreed.
>>63964795
Now you are simply trolling for the sake of it.
Watch the OP webm, watch Ren's fancy moves and nonchalant attitude and body language. Literally toying and humiliating Fin. Ren wants to show Fin how superior he is. Ren has an inferiority complex and wants to be powerful like his grandfather, using every chance to reafirm, how great he is.
Then after one lucky blow Ren disarms and wrecks Fin in 3 moves.
>>63964547
>super saiyan mode
I get the retcon of the EU for continuity and freedom but that's straight up retarded and shit on all other movies.
Why is he so perfect as Kylo Ren?
>>63963701
He was trying to active more mitochondrians.
>>63964927
Here's your (You)
>>63964939
Because Driver always plays a weird hot-headed dude. He's perfect. I love him.
>>63964879
It's never a satisfying conclusion when the antagonist beats the protagonist, but sometimes it's necessary for growth.
People who think Finn was actually holding his own need to rewatch it. It's clear Kylo is just fucking around with him, trying to relish the moment - then Finn actually hits him and he ends the fight almost instantly.
He's even winning against Rey (the fight was basically just her running away) up until the very end when she remembers to use the force and then whoops his ass.
Episode viii may feature a more well trained Kylo Ren, this time pissed and insecure cuz he got beat by a random homeless woman, i.e. he'll have something to prove and most likely even stronger in the dark side. So that'll be fun.
>>63964864
you're over thinking it, rey sees hes trying to grab it and uses her fledgeling force powers to try and stop him, then she realises she might actually be stronger and tries to pull instead.
>>63964638
>6'3 man can't outwrestle a girl
that's even dumber than >>63964547
>>63964743
I personally dont care much for reasons why, but consequences. His image as a villain is "ruined". In other words, he isnt threating enough to root against, nor badass enough to root for.
>>63964934
>Character gets pissed and ends up winning a fight they were losing
Hmm, I wonder what movie that happened in. Was it the one where Vader gets his hand cut off?
>>63964962
He beat her earlier in the film
>>63963991
damn didn't noticed but its true
>>63964816
thanks, here is yours.
>>63964850
There's definitely some Dark Side thingy going on in there. No one knows what exactly, but it will be played out with her and Luke in 8 I think.
>>63964879
I guess
>>63964864
You are delving to deep in it anon, good analysis, but not consistent with what we know. What this dude says >>63964973
>>63965026
>He beat her earlier in the film
But earlier she overpowered his mind reading and made him feel inadequate
>>63964711
next week
>>63964973
Where's the support for that? That just seems like a fabricated response that would satisfy the conditions of my complaint without really offering outside evidence for it. The other evidence for the magic lightsaber theory is that when Rey touches it, she has a flashback to the memories of Luke Skywalker, not her own. That seems to make the lightsaber some kind of vehicle for Force wisdom, which I think is bullshit.
>>63964965
Posts like these bring warmth to my heart and make me remember why /tv/ is the best board. Thank you anon senpai.
>>63964987
He is a spooky skeleton in how thin he is
>>63964772
Ye I noticed she tried the Sheev stab aswell. Sheev's granddaughter confirmed.
>>63964987
The Force can augment your physical stats a.k.a. strength (in this case) jumping, endurance, durability (getting shot by the bowcaster and still alive), etc.
>>63964772
God that fight was so bad.
>>63964638
Does Kylo's weapon get destroyed here? It certainly looks like something blows up. Does this mean, no more cross-guards on his next lightsaber?
Also other food for thought. Now he has a giant scar on his face, he no longer needs to use the mask to look menacing. That and the mask got left on the planet when it blew up. So this means no mask either for the next movie?
>>63965053
Because he's emotional and undisciplined.
>>63965137
I think you mean amazing
Whole fight sequence is the best lightsaber fight in the series I don't give a fuck what any of you cucks think
Fite me irl
>>63964547
Did Ren's leg get cut off?
all I see is gay angst
all I needed to see from this shit
>>63963154
Wow that's some pretty strong plot armour.
Notice how all the lightsabers seem to skim people in this fight instead of melting right through them.
>>63965065
you're the one changing the internal logic of the movies tho. My evidence is this: The lightsaber is an inanimate object and can't decide to not go to someone that force-pulls it. There's exactly 2 force users in it's vicinity, so anything that happens to it force related must come from them.
>>63965172
No, she cut the side of it.
>>63965161
Not sure about the weapon, but the general consensus is now that he has a scar, he has an excuse to wear the mask 24/7.
>>63965170
Way too many cuts it looked like a B movie fight.
>>63965003
I think it's more interesting this way. People will root against him because he's a weak pretty boy with clear mental issues. And he killed Han Solo. As a villain, he shouldn't have any friends.
>>63965161
>Does this mean, no more cross-guards on his next lightsaber?
I hope his next saber still has that unstable looks. Coolest bad guy lightsaber we've seen so far and the sound effects it had made every scene it was in.
Rey running through the forest where you can hear the saber being swung around but haven't seen Kylo yet is some of the best sound work I've heard in years
>>63965170
>Because he's emotional and undisciplined.
Also stupid since he underestimated her in that fight and even over estimated himself when he told snoke about it. More we talk about it, the more of a little bitch kylo seems.
>>63965238
This. Ren was one of the few original ideas in the movie and he works great. Lots of cool directions they could potentially take him, and his scenes were all entertaining.
>>63965093
I really think she must be, it explains everything desu.
Her power with the force, why she was left on a random planet, etc.
Why is Kylo such a weak bitch?
>almost lost to a guy with no force abilities at all and 0 light saber training
>>63965207
I'd like to believe you, but you're relying on a change of strategy that Rey has completely unbeknownst to the viewer. Let's not forget that the CG alien woman with the glasses who runs the bar says that the lightsaber calls to Rey. I think the evidence is in my favor here.
This scene is an allusion to Excalibur, where the magic sword is stuck in the ground and can only be moved by the true King. Rey is the Spanish word for king. The sword is magic.
>>63965238
>>63965288
Yup, Ren is by afar my favourite character in TFA
>>63965282
>>63965367
He is super powerful, but an edgelord. He is a /r9k/ Dark Jedi.
Doesn't make him a whimp or a coward, he is just emotionally unstable and listens to Linkin Park in his spare time.
He will develop and evolve to become a true menace, trust me. Killed his father, no more obstacles to fully embracing the Dark Side, Snork will finish his training, etc.
>>63963154
this fight only exist beacause disney wanted to sell these
>>63964547
Her confident, angry stance when she's walking around after she kicks him vs him scrambling around on the ground like "oh fuck I'm getting my ass kicked I have seriously fucked up." Is some amazing physical acting.
>>63965392
It's too Force users in a tug-of-war (forget the damn vector of pull).
The sabre is not imbued with magic, thank God.
>>63965026
>>Hmm, I wonder what movie that happened in. Was it the one where Vader gets his hand cut off?
By that time Luke was trained and ready it's not like he got at mad at Vader killing Obi picked up the lightsaber and raped Vader right away in the first film.
You know what I just realized?
Rey never got hurt once in that battle.
>>63964329
>>63964361
>>63964436
>>63964547
>>63964638
Why did she turned super saiyan Jedi with no proper training tho
Luke was weak as shit in ANH
>>63965541
Because The Force! (no really, that's the true explanation)
...and there's stuff we don't know yet. Her past might hold answers.
>>63963154
why didn't Kylo force freeze him?
If you can't see that Kylo is playing and letting him continue to fight I don't know what to tell you
As soon as Finn managed to glance him he disarmed him and put him down
He's even half smiling when he's pushing the cross guard into Finn's shoulder
>>63965442
Why should I? There's nothing to suggest that one pull in one direction cancels out another one in the same direction. The lightsaber and Rey have some sort of mystical connection at the very least, which again I think is hokey. The lightsaber was the Jedi's weapon, not like an extension of the Jedi.
>>63965541
Luke was a farmboy, Rey was a scavenger on her own. And it's not like Kylo is anywhere near as good as Vader was so her beating him isn't that big of a leap
>>63963701
I didn't think he was slapping his wound in the movie, I thought it was more of him sort of losing himself and beating his chest like a gorilla, which makes sense for his character.
>>63963154
>Finn is scared and knows he's completely outmatched in just about every way but still puts his heart into it, and it's genuinely engaging when he ultimately fails
>Rey just beats the shit out of Kylo straight up
Seriously, just make Finn the MC. He's infinitely more interesting than Rey.
>>63965540
>Rey never got hurt once in that battle.
In that movie anon, you meant to write "in that movie"
>>63965604
he was unfocused
>>63964361
Rey is op af
>>63965604
Read the post after yours
>>63965171I agree
>>63965541
she embraced her anger/dark side, thats why she's mad as fuck afterwards
>>63963154
In the novel Kylo Ren wanted to take Finn and Rey back with him. Finn might be slight force sensitive.
>>63965590
So she pretty much going to rape everyone when she gets proper training from Luke
>>63965640
Kylo ren is doubting about the force tbqh
>>63965628
You are trying to force your fanfiction theories on others, really not cool.
Nothing in the Star Wars canon suggests anything remotely like that. You are overthinking a simple scene done for the "wow" effect and meant to awe the audience after they see Rey taking the lightsabre.
The sabre has a connection with Luke and since the main theory is that Rey is Luke's daughter, she was able to experience some of the stuff Luke had (like the Knights of Ren destroying Luke's apprentices). That doesn't mean it is imbued with magic that rejects "bad people". Seriously.
>>63965640
This, it was totally in character for her to be strong she's an Orphan on a planet with no sympathy. Why wouldn't she have been stronger than the average girl. She is shown fighting off grown ass men and aliens bigger than Kylo Ren.
I want them to do a whole like two hour "making of" of this fight scene.
Good lord, if ANH came out today you people would bitch about how shitty Vader was.
>>63965803
We'd bitch about how fucking shitty that fight between Vader and Obi Wan was
>>63965786
I appreciate how dedicated the actors were.
>>63964939
This nigga looks weird in pictures but he looked hot as fuck during the Finn/Rey and him fight at the end. Full homo.
>>63964864
Ren is struggling because using force takes focus and god know's he not focused here, it's just to show why he doesn't end the fight instantly by freezing them bot. He can't, he's a mess in the final fight
>>63965838
Still better than the one in ROTS. That and Dooku vs anakin/obi/yoda in AOTC are the two worst lightsaber fights ever.
>>63964390
Overcoming the pain by increasing the pain...
are you retarded?
Quoting an anon form yesterday that said exactly what I feel about Ren's style.
>There's something really jerky and inelegant about all of Ren's movements throughout the film, it makes all his lightsaber moves seem like it has a life of its own it just looks good
Look at the way he moves and fights.
>>63965839
>dem biceps
Hnnnnnnnng
>>63965839
Ass game cute
So is confirmed that The Raid trio were actually doing the saber fights for this movie? Because this looked way better than the prequels
I kind of loved how Kylo was a pathetic vader fanboy, full of rage and possessing zero finesse and control. Which was what made Vader deadly.
To be honest i fully expect Kylo to go back to the light side and Rey to fall.
>>63964848
Because even at 1% he was supposed to explode them both
>>63964956
>he was trying to activate his almonds
>>63965898
Releases adrenaline. Adrenaline is the best painkiller on the planet. Samurai used to do the same thing.
>>63965930
Extra muscle on women arm turns you on?
>Kylo Gets shot in the chest with a bowcaster
>Still alive somehow
>Finn gets cut down with a lightsaber
>He still lives too
Back in the day you take a single blaster or lightsaber slash in the torso and you were dead. What happened?
>>63965766
My point is exactly that nothing in the canon hitherto this movie suggests that, but that this one seems to be pushing it. Even if it does have a connection with Luke, it can't hold his memories. The Force is specifically concerned with life, not tools. If she is able to have Force visions triggered by the lightsaber, how does it avoid being imbued with magic? You're even implying that there is something special about the lightsaber by saying it has a connection with Luke. It's literally his property. I'd have the same criticism if Rey had found the cup that Luke drinks water from when he has dinner with Owen and Beru at the beginning of ANH. We can hopefully agree that her gaining a window into the Skywalker timeline by communing with Luke's cup would be ridiculous, but the lightsaber is supposed to be just a tool. It really should be no different.
>>63965868
A dark Jedi who who has trained under at least Luke Skywalker for years (and Snoke too if we take him to be a Sith Lord or at least some sort of Force mentor) can't even make a simple pull under duress? Luke does that in TESB before he even meets Yoda and begins his formal training. I know the narritave is that Kylo is weak and arrogant, but he can't be that bad.
why didn't Kylo Ren slice Booyega to pieces instead opting for just stroking his spine with the lightsaber?
>Bowcaster shots Red beams
>>63965966
Ok you are retarded
>>63963951
Neat
>>63966008
He wanted him alive
>>63964390
>laser crossbow
It uses a physical superheated slug
>>63965981
>>Kylo Gets shot in the chest with a bowcaster
>>Still alive somehow
The Force my Rodian. Dark side keeps your ass alive and let's you tank some major HP damage. Look at Anakin in ROTS.
>>63966003
Rey's absolute need for the lightsaber overwhelmed Kylo's power. Bitch is crazy force powerful, I don't see why that's such a bad thing.
I still prefer the prequel fights to be quite honest
Now Where's the Baton VS Finn Saber fight webm
>>63966064
Because?
>>63966003
>My point is exactly that nothing in the canon hitherto this movie suggests that, but that this one seems to be pushing it
You are the only person on the entire planet who saw that the "lightsabre has a will of its own and doesn't want to go to bad people." in a simple scene staged to make Rey badass.
It's a nice theory, but it's fanfiction. Sorry anon, don't want to be rude, but nothing in the movie, and more importantly, in the novelization, which has far more exposition and explanations, even implied what you are pushing.
>>63966051
No fucknugget look that shit up. There's ample evidence of people amped up on adrenaline and not even realizing they got shot until they come back down off of it.
5/7 got me to reply
>>63965171
That's your opinion, I disagree but you're entitled to it.
>>63966003
its not the fucking one ring
the sword does not have mind on its own
>>63965908
You can see the anger in everyone of his move. He's not dancing around, he goes where his emotions (and the Dark Side through them) tell him to go.
>>63965238
>pretty boy
Anyway. Im sure some people enjoy this shit. Good for them. I dont, simple as that.
The movie left me with a wuss Kylo and Snoke who I dont know enough about to care.
Still looking forward to VIII though.
>>63966166
Sure! when you break a leg the best thing to lower the pain is to punch your leg...it s even written in all medicals books
>>63966003
Bullshit, it's canon that inanimate objects can be rich in the force such as the cave in dagobah
The fucking lightsaber was used to kill hundreds of children, obviously it's got some force taint on it
>>63966003
>Luke does that in TESB before he even meets Yoda and begins his formal training
Watch the scene again. Luke can't get it at first, just like Ren. Then he calms down and focuses, and succeeds. Ren didn't have time for that, nor could he calm down even if he wanted I'm pretty sure
>>63965612
Would you be "playing" and dragging on the fight if you were already bleeding from a shot 5 minutes ago?
I agree thats what happened, but its shit writing.
>>63963951
So do they have anti measures for weapons that dont exist anymore and magical monks that no one believes they exist? Quite useful if you ask me
Or maybe he just wanted to do an epic tweest to the lol so useless storm tropper, amirite? Aquaman is lame, right? Zimbawe!
>>63966272
Excellent point about the cave
>>63966256
It would lower your stupidity if you killed yourself.
>>63966081
I'm willing to accept that, but it doesn't explain why we see Kylo trying in vain to pull the lightsaber as it just barely budges. I believe that shot is there to show Kylo's specific failure to pull it, because if it were just Rey overpowering him the lightsaber would move with the quickness toward Kylo, then pass him and go to Rey. As I said before, there are three explanations
1. Kylo is so weak he can't even move a lightsaber
2. Rey is applying Force in the opposite direction as Kylo pulls it, despite her positioning behind Kylo
3. The lightsaber can only be pulled by those true to the Light Side
I can't imagine 1 and 2 being the best explanations, so I'm left with 3.
>>63966154
It's not fanfic m8, this is a criticism of TFA incorrectly understanding the nature of the force. If it's simply Reyservice, then it was sloppily done in a way that makes no sense. Even if you're right, I still have the Skywalker visions pushing the magic sword.
>>63966196
I hope you're right, but it doesn't seem that way to me.
>>63966272
This is actually a good point, but I tend to think that that scene is more about Luke searching his feelings than the cave telling him things.
>>63966318
Right, but Luke is a novice. He doesn't struggle after years of practice in training in ROTJ.
>>63966337
I do think it should be Phasma in that scene, she was so useless in the movie.
>>63966337
>So do they have anti measures for weapons that dont exist anymore and magical monks that no one believes they exist?
No. It's a standard crowd control stun baton.
>>63964547
>>63964638
What the hell was that. She was barely keeping up before. The Force augmented her swordsmanship?
>>63963701
he is probably using the force to prevent the bleeding which is also why he had a hard time picking up vaders light sword.
>>63963951
was it treason?
>>63966272
>inanimate objects can be rich in the force
Same with the Star Forge. The whole thing ran off of dark side energy and was basically sentient in its own right.
Yeah I know it's not officially canon (yet) but the whole movie was KOTOR as fuck so I don't feel like it's an unreasonable comparison.
Also Rakata Prime is Canon so we Revan now.
>>63966379
Or
Rey is simply grabbing the lightsaber with the Force, and Kylo is unable to remove it from her Force grip. She finally yanks it forward into her hand.
>>63966379
>you have provided me with a ton of explanations, but I FEEL my fanfiction is correct nevertheless: the post
The scene was explained to you several times by different people. Your desire to see more in it than actually exists is just that.
>because if it were just Rey overpowering him the lightsaber would move with the quickness toward Kylo, then pass him and go to Rey.
Which is exactly what happened.
>>63966476
Rakata is, but not any of things that happened in KOTOR unless specified in new canon.
>>63966337
It was stun baton. As to why it survived the lightsaber strikes, lightsabers were not the cut through everything unstopable weapons until prequels. Remember the luke-vader fiht in rotj? Sure he cuts through the railing eventually but he hits it quite few times without slicing through it.
>Finn has lost two battles already
>>63963416
Why didn't Darth Vader just snap Obi Wan's neck in a New Hope?
Why didn't Darth Vader just snap Luke's neck in Empire Strikes Back?
Why didn't the Emperor just snap Luke's neck in Return of the Jedi?
Because it makes for a better scene and character development.
Star Wars is a dumb emotional character driven space adventure, not a realistic gritty sci-fi.
>>63966272
>>63966351
>>63966379
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5ZsMBLUsqU
>>63966369
You are the one saying that by increasing the pain you reduce the pain autistic monkey
>>63966541
It hits the energy field and not the baton itself is what I got from it.
>>63966556
This
>>63963154
>>63963951
>>63964361
They did a really good job at making Finn and Rey look inexperienced with the lightsaber. Finn is more clumsy and treats it like a club, but you can see Rey stumbling around too with it. Sure the Force is helping her, but she would've definitely lost if the battle kept going.
>>63966450
She was able to run before. She had her back to the wall and was finally forced to fight.
>can freeze a phaser blast
>can't freeze finn and kill him
Did anyone find that Rey being essentially invulnerable ruined everything? In the original trilogy Luke pretty much takes 3 movies to even become good enough to stand a chance against Vader, whereas Rey kicks ass against literally everyone and now its just gonna be two more movies of her doing the exact same shit.
What are the chances that Rey is gonna wind up learning Windu's Vaapad thing so she'll be able to channel some of the dark side and anger she seems to have and become a walking anti-Sith weapon?
Admittedly a normie who doesn't read or know much Star Wars stuff so I'm basing this based on some wiki thing
>>63966620
>Get shot in gut by weapon that is equivalent to IRL armor piercing rifle
>Be emotionally fucked up
It's established that using force needs some focus. Doubt he had that.
>>63966601
I disagree. She used the Sheev stab multiple times. Thats a technique only the best of the best know how to use.
>>63966556
To an extent, jedi, especially well trained ones, can deflect force attacks made against them.
So they are mostly left with using sabres and having the force predict positioning, enhancing their reflexes, etc.
>>63966557
lel
>>63966621
I hope she gets too prideful and over confident and gets her as beat in 8.
>>63966638
Sounds awesome to me. Who will teach her tho? She has to find a Jedi archive with an instruction program... or maybe Luke has found that already?
Good idea.
>>63966621
Only problem I had with her was her flying the Falcon as well as she did.
>just gonna be two more movies of her doing the exact same shit.
She's obviously going to suffer some major defeat in the next movie
>>63966685
He used force push just before the fight with 0 problems.
>>63966498
It's decidedly not what happened. We see Ren struggling to pull it, then we see it move quickly toward Rey. If they were both pulling it, it would have no reason to wiggle around. I'd have no complaint if the lightsaber were between them, but the fact that they're in a straight line says something very weird about the force.
You haven't explained shit. You just keep hiding behind "it just makes her look cool" and "nice fanfiction". If you agree with the Anon who said the thing about the cave, you've acquiesced to the magic sword explanation, because you subscribe to the magic cave.
>>63966621
luke was a soft pussy moisture farmer
rey is tough scavenger who dont need no man
of course she's gonna be better than luke from day 1
>>63966729
it has been explained 35 times itt
>toying and humiliating Fin
>trying to seduce Rey to the Dark Side
>>63966540
I feel like KOTOR is going to get remade soon with some adjustments to line it up with new Canon. JJ has already said he was a fan and there's a lot of stuff in the movie that obviously took inspiration from it. I think Bioware has even said a remake is a possibility.
The visual dictionary mentions that Kylo's saber is based on a thousands year old design that was present on Malachor. The Starkiller worked in a way that was similar to the Star Forge. Kylo's ability to freeze things is Stasis turned up to 11 and applied in ways never seen before.
I know it's just speculation but legitimizing KOTOR would explain a lot of shit that happens in this movie.
after watching the movie, i see why white people are okay with finn's character. he's an sweaty, bug eyed, incompetent side character, who loses in every fight. guy almost got killed by generic storm trooper #839
>>63966729
Simple force push does not take as much effort as freezing living being in space.
Its like comparin gpunch to the jaw with some elaborate kungfu routine.
>>63966764
>Bioware has even said a remake is a possibility.
>current Bioware
>touching Kotor
Please no.
They already butchered Revan in TOR
>>63966741
>If they were both pulling it, it would have no reason to wiggle around
I like how people are getting upset and over analyzing fan service that they missed.
>generic storm trooper #839
That's TR-8R to you
