What does /tv/ think about le atheist like you please support Israel man?
I usually hate his leftist attitude but his new show "I hate Islam too please support Israel" is pretty good
The mistake he and most Americans always make is thinking they have to support the one or the other. It's like it's bread into them from birth, vote Democrat or Republican, drink Coke or Pepsi, be pro-life or pro-choice, NRA or Anti-Gun.
Fuck both Israel and Palestine tbqh, neither state should really exist.
>>63914533
> Fuck both Israel and Palestine tbqh, neither state should really exist.
Revive the crusader kingdom of Jerusalem. God wills it!
>>63914745
I'm okay with this
>buh my Palestinian children!
>b-but we Jews are white!
They can burn in the same oven and continue arguing all the way to hell
>>63914533
What tv show?
>>63914782
Us Jews ARE white though.
>>63914533
He don't give a fuck to Israel. What the fuck are you talking about?
Is that Kylo Ren's dad?
>>63914825
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>>63914745
>>63914782
I'm thinking about it from a more humanitarian point of view. It's 20andfucking15. People should have the freedom to be individuals and not just Jebs, Kekstaisn or Mushits based on a patch of land or what their parents or grandparents mined from ancient and outdated gobbledygook to serve imperialistic or more immediately selfish agendas. We should be exploring our solar system by now instead of focusing our time and energy on banal shit like this.
>>63914965
no u
>Bill or someone else Bill likes makes a point
>5 minutes spent pressing that point
>Someone Bill doesn't like makes a point
>"Let's move on."
>>63914879
Are you retarded? He released a sextape where he sucked Netanyahu off
>>63914981
I know I'm going to sound like a massive neckbeard for this, but I don' really mind.
Religious converts always been the poor and the uneducated. It gives those who have nothing the illusion that we do. What we need is to educate people so religion dies out slowly.Those with brilliant minds in the Middle East and other shitholes spend their entire lives learning religious teachings instead of applying it to more humanitarian tasks. India and Pakistan are essentially the same country, yet India is a bit ahead intellectually because they aren't letting any religious baggage hold them back.
I know it's too much to hope but I hope I see improvements for stuff like this within a few decades or maybe even near the end of my life.
>>63914639
This, probably why he's an anti-vaxxer
>>63915299
> India is a bit ahead intellectually because they aren't letting any religious baggage hold them back.
Indian here, the last election set us back a ton on this front.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Indian_Science_Congress_ancient_aircraft_controversy
http://www.cowurine.com/research.html
>>63915299
>Religious converts always been the poor and the uneducated. It gives those who have nothing the illusion that we do. What we need is to educate people so religion dies out slowly.
"No."
>>63914533
Islam is no worse than Christianity. If anything Christianity has caused more death and suffering than any other religion.
>>63915299
>>63915471
>>>/reddit/
>>>/starwarsthreads/
>>63914533
He's a smirking smug asshole.
I can't help but want to punch him in the face everytime I see him.
>>63915419
Lol I'm Paki and an ex-muslim man. I know this shit. Education is extremely well for the middle and upper-class but nobody gives two shits about the lower classes. That's why Taliban tends to go after them more often than not. Less chance of interference :(
What I want is everyone to stop focusing on Kashmir. I know my country is just using it as a propaganda piece now.
"Don't think about the brick kilns or the human trafficking trade! India is out to get you so vote for me and I'll push them back!".
Bhutto (ignoring her blatant nepotism) was one of the best things to happen to this country.
She would have fixed everything if your country didn't elect the BJP and start the whole Kashmir bullshit again.
>>63915444
Am I wrong in the fact that Muhammad and Jesus first converted the poor, weak and disenfranchised classes?
>>63915566
That wasn't me friend but nice rebuttal lol.
"Le redditors should stay out of my super secret 4chan club XD"
>>63914533
> The arguments he makes in support of Israel
>>63915471
>>63915822
Before Christianity the Roman pagans would put human beings to fighting each other to the death which was the source of gladiators. They also crucified people. They were barbarians. Christianity put to an end these practices. What good has Islam done? Its been caliphates from the start. Muhammed himself was a warlord.
>>63914981
>20andfucking15
That's not an argument.
>>63915299
>India and Pakistan are essentially the same country,
You're a fucking idiot breh
>>63915419
Dude BJP is the one hope your country has.
They are saving you from the socialist dogs who bankrupted you
>>63915471
Oh kaffir we Muslims suffer too!
>>63915822
All of your arguments so far have been
a) blatantly wrong
b) written like a pseudo intellectual
You sound like a fucking idiot
>>63916150
Don't get me wrong, there are a LOT of differences, but the culture is very similar.
>>63916008
What people don't seem to realise that although Islam seems barbaric today, it's nothing compared to 1400 years ago. People did wild savage shit.
Brothers sometimes married their own sisters. Human beings were sacrificed to pagan gods. It was perfectly legal for fathers to kill their children for fear of poverty. What seems bad for women today in the ME, was a thousand times worse back then because they were forbidden to from education, owning land, the right to file a divorce etc etc. Slavery was a thousand times worse as slaves were not paid, expected to work until the day they died and there was no way for them to be freed. Whatever the rick wanted everyone else had to obey.
When Muhammad conquered Mecca he basically forced all of these conditions to end. He did conquer Mecca yes, but the context for why he did so is forgotten.
>>63916448
* rich
>>63916249
I'm not arguing for anything. I just said what I think is holding the world back. It's perfectly fine for you to disagree with me :)
>>63916206
>>63916249
The majority of these attacks have been between sectarian warfare. Are you telling me Europe never had its own religious schisms?
>>63916448
Before the invention of Islam the dominant religions in the middle east where Christianity and Zoroastrianism. In Zoroastrianism women where not looked down upon. Women could even hold high positions in the Zoroastrian Persian empires like Artemesia. Zoroastrianism already had prohibitions against slavery in the middle east too before Islam so it didn't make things better in that regard either.
Soon after Muhammed died his successors left Arabia and they conquered the last Persian empire and forced them to convert from Zoroastrianism to Islam. They forced the subjugation of women in Persia. They also conquered Egypt and the Levant from the Christians that had already been there. Right after Muhammed died his successors went on a Jihad and conquered Christians and Zoroastrians. His companions where just doing what he taught them which is jihad and establishing a theocracy. Even look today most muslims establish theocracies.
That is one of the differences between Christianity and Islam. Islam has been about jihad and establishing a theocratic caliphate right from the start. That is not the same with Christianity. From the start Christians were being brutalized by the Romans. If you want someone who caused more death then any other religion look no further then the Romans. Watch Spartacus or Gladiator.
Constantine the great, who was essentially a hero, stopped the barbaric persecution of Christians by the Romans and feeding them to lions. He banned crucifixion. And he didn't established a theocracy! He allowed people to continue Roman paganism. So Christianity started out as a non-theocratic thing unlike Islam. He also founded the great city of Constantinople now Instanbul because Muslim barbarians stole it.
>>63915471
stop living in the past
Which religion currently says its OK to stone people to death?
>>63916832
I'm not going to defend what the Islamic empire did later on as they were clearly in the wrong. Everyone subjugated everyone back then but I have a problem with
> From the start Christians were being brutalized by the Romans.
The same thing occurred to Mohammed when he first began preaching. Muslims were subjected to torture, imprisonment, expulsion, starvation, economic and social boycotts. Many of them were killed because of their beliefs.
After 13 years the big M emigrated with his followers to Medina to practise Islam freely. When Muslims began to gain more followers and started tipping the scales of power in their favour that the Quraysh attacked them. Which led to Muhammad then going and conquering Mecca.
I've been blasted for saying this before on /pol/ but I don't care. I believe that respectively Muhammad and Jesus DID want peace for themselves and their people. It's just the way they went about it that differs.
Jesus believed that war was never an option while Muhammad believed that it was only necessary to defend and survive. He never attacked Persia (iirc) as that was several years after his death.
My knowledge of Christianity isn't that great sorry, but from what I've been reading up on Christianity recently, personally I think it's akin to Saint Augustus's 'Just War' theory.
> Even look today most muslims establish theocracies.
There are many Muslim countries which also have monarchies as well, even though it is forbidden. I try to generally look at the religion itself because human beings aren't perfect.
>>63917512
> Everyone subjugated everyone back then
Not Constantine the great as I mentioned. He issued the edict of toleration to prevent the persecution of Christians well at the same time he allowed people to continue to follow Roman paganism.
> The same thing occurred to Mohammed when he first began preaching. Muslims were subjected to torture, imprisonment, expulsion, starvation, economic and social boycotts. Many of them were killed because of their beliefs.
That was because Mohammad wanted to force Islam on the Meccans. The Meccans were defending theirselves. Muhammad's followers could have found safety in either Eithopia or Medina but they insisted on forcing Islam on the Meccans. And in the end they did. Compare this to Constantine who stopped the persecution of Christians without turning around persecuting Roman pagans. Right from the start Islam has been about forcing itself on people through jihad and theocracy.
> He never attacked Persia
Muhammad never attacked Persia, Egypt, or the Levant to force Islam on them but his closest companions did. You don't think Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman who all knew Muhammed since before he left Mecca where following exactly what he taught them? They personally knew him and following his teachings of jihad to force Islam on Persians like he did on the Meccans.
> I try to generally look at the religion itself because human beings aren't perfect.
The religion itself is based upon violently establishing a theocratic state over people. Thats what Muhammad and his closest companions Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman did.
>>63914639
>Israel shouldn't exist
yeah, because anti-semitism is totally OK
>>63914981
*Brutus walks up to Caesar* "Hail Caesar. Why have we not created a ship to sail through empty space and visit Mars or Venus? It's 45BC after all. It's unacceptable that we still haven't done this". Stating that it is the current year is not an argument but an arbitrary confinement you have set up based on where you personally feel humanity should be at this point in time. Kill yourself senpai.
>>63915759
Same here in Mexico.
>>63918479
Brutas would know damn well that hey don't have the means to travel to Mars.
Saying its 2015 means you expect something done because it is easy at this point in time.
>>63915299
Go back to r/atheism
Underage b8, if you're not underage I legitimately feel bad for you and your lack of knowledge
>>63915471
Terrible bait
>>63915759
>That's why Taliban tends to go after them more often than not. Less chance of interference :(
That's wrong you fuck. Osama bin laden came from a billionaire family and had a civil engineering degree, all of the 9/11 bombers had at least a Masters, the fort Hood shooter had a degree from vt in bio-chem, the San Bernardino shooter had a college degree, and one of the heads of isis has a PhD in Islamic studies. I don't think >education cures every problem with the Muslim world
>>63918384
Israel, as a state, should not exist. Jews are fine.
>>63918815
This, and don't forget he was literally trained by the CIA.
>>63916448
Reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDqnRqTVtCo
All of that would have been stopped without Islam anyway after the inevitable Christianization of the Arabian peninsula. Islam is basically just that - an Arabic rip-off of Christianity, a glib facsimile.
>>63918353
>>63918353
> That was because Mohammad wanted to force Islam on the Meccans. The Meccans were defending theirselves. Muhammad's followers could have found safety in either Eithopia or Medina
But they did find safety within Medina? They only went back to Mecca after the Quraysh started instigating the fight.
> Right from the start Islam has been about forcing itself on people through jihad and theocracy.
I'm not sure if I'm remembering this correctly as its been years since I studied Islam but non-believers were given the option of converting then. Most of them joined because Islam was in power and it was the easier to live a good life.
You're kind of right on the last two points man.
But Islam has also shown at long periods in history that it is capable of being at peace with its neighbours and stuff. It depends on who's in charge and whether they're a war monger or not.
Do you have any good, unbiased sources in mind to study Constanine btw?
>>63918727
> hurr durr go back to reddit
Buzzwords.
> I legitimately feel bad for you and your lack of knowledge
Please enlighten me then instead of being a condescending ass.
>>63918588
What's the situation in Mexico like? I know there's massive corruption from the cartels but not much else.
But best of luck my Mexican bro. Make sure you sneak into Murica before Trump
B U I L D S W A L L
>>63918815
>>63918856
I'm talking going out and forbidding them from stuff like education and what not. The poor can;t stop them but you wouldn't see that happen within a non-rural area. It sucks but it Peshawar was a catalyst to finally do something,
>>63919394
> But they did find safety within Medina? They only went back to Mecca after the Quraysh started instigating the fight.
Yes, the conflict only broke out again when the Muslims started raiding Meccan caravans. The Meccans saw fit to defend themselves. But Muhammad eventually forced them to convert to Islam through violence.
> I'm not sure if I'm remembering this correctly as its been years since I studied Islam but non-believers were given the option of converting then. Most of them joined because Islam was in power and it was the easier to live a good life.
They joined because they lived under an Islamic theocracy which persecuted or taxed people who were non-Muslim. This process begun under Muhammad.
>But Islam has also shown at long periods in history that it is capable of being at peace with its neighbours and stuff.
I can't think of a time that was true even up to this today. Today we have ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Nusra front, etc. Even today Islam is especially violent.
>>63920215
> Yes, the conflict only broke out again when the Muslims started raiding Meccan caravans. The Meccans saw fit to defend themselves. But Muhammad eventually forced them to convert to Islam through violence.
It was the other way.
> They joined because they lived under an Islamic theocracy which persecuted or taxed people who were non-Muslim. This process begun under Muhammad.
Everybody was taxed. The muslims themselves had to pay more tax than the non-muslims.
> I can't think of a time that was true even up to this today. Today we have ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Nusra front, etc. Even today Islam is especially violent.
Islam was at peace (kind of) right before the Crusades began. There was the pre-Jihadism which kind of started it all but like I said before
> It depends on who's in charge and whether they're a war monger or not.
The Middle East is a hotbed of massive political tensions. Having a religion on top of it which can be easily interpreted for whatever you need definitely doesn't help.
>>63920585
* the modern splintered middle East
>>63920585
>The muslims themselves had to pay more tax than the non-muslims
not that guy but gonna need a source on this one
>>63914533
We need more atheists like him that admit Islam is worse than any other major religion.
The whole "all religions are equal" is fucking retarded hippie mom "everyone's a winner!" bullshit. Yeah, tell a devout Muslim you think his faith is equal to animism and see how he reacts.
>>63920667
Is Wikipedia good enough?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya
Jizya has varied all throughout history. At times it has been besically nothing while other times it has gone up to 50%.
> In most cases, the jizya taken was less than the 2.5% Zakat, or alms, paid by Muslims, which the dhimmis were not required to pay since the zakat is a religious requirement for Muslims only.
I'm not sure the penalty for not paying it however. Some sources say you were pardoned and free to go while others say you were imprisoned no matter what. I'm guessing it just differs on the era.
Ofcourse Jizya is no longer relevant in the modern world.
>>63921418
sorry but the first source for that statement is from Muslim scholars of dubious reliability (one of them being a Jordanian prince and a descendant of Muhammad himself) the other one contains a quote from a work of a XIX century French scholar which I wasn't able to find (in English) in order to check whether the quote is about a certain period (Abbasid caliphate) or about Islamic societies in general
>Ofcourse Jizya is no longer relevant in the modern world
not in parts of Iraq and Syria
>>63914533
>I usually hate his leftist attitude
but he calls out leftist all the time for their censorship and pussy footing. The guy is the type of leftist we should be, not what we are
>>63915316
He's not an anti-vaxxer, he just doesn't think the statistics of the flu vaccine hold up to the cost. A very different thing than an anti-vaxxer
>>63920215
>I can't think of a time that was true even up to this today
Timbuktu, which still is a very peaceful place of moderate muslims. They were the worlds leading university through a good chunk of the dark ages, welcoming a lot of worldly knowledge.
Unfortunately, about 5 years after the locals decided to open their vaults and let the world see these ancient manuscripts, fucking Boco Haram comes in and starts burning them all! Thankfully the locals reacted quickly and hid most of them back where they were hidden for centuries. And thank the French for acting so quickly to Mali's troubles.
He's a giant hypocrite for being on the board of PETA. Those are some radicalized extremist.
Bu we hate islam AND we hate israel.
Fuck all semites
Antisemitism, ALL THE WAY
