Finn - 7/10 - Better than expected, I wish there was more exploration of his stormtroooer background effecting him. "I don't want to kill" *kills stormies like butter*
Poe - 8/10 - Best new character, needs more screentime tbhwyf
Rey - 4/10 - *meme warning* Mary Sue. She was just too good at everything straight away. She should have learned something from Han Solo about how to fly the falcon to show her as the trainee, and should have been less proficient with the force. I liked the *You are afraid* moment, which made sense, but after that *Now I am the jedi* was stupid.
Han Solo - 8/10 - Solid character, good death
Chewy - 9/10 - Chewy
Kylo Ren - 6/10 - A bit edgelord, hope he improves
Tray Tor - 10/10 - HONORABLE BATTLE! A new epic meme is borned
Leia - 5/10 - Just like an old woman
That weird bug eyed woman - 4/10 - That's an explanation for another time
BB8 - 7/10 - Was expecting to hate it but it was bretty good!
Admiral Ackbar - 10/10
>implying I read that
>implying your opinions are good
>>63896580
>Kylo Ren - 6/10
found the redditor
>>63896749
What was good about his character?
Wait who the fuck is Tray Tor?
Admiral Ackbar was still alive and with the resistance
>mfw
>/tv/ was mad about Boyega being cast
>/tv/ was further pissed when he was shown with a lightsaber
>/tv/ kept hoping that the rumors were true and it was misdirection and Rey was the real Jedi
>/tv/ got exactly what they wanted
>/tv/ now crying that they love Boyega and hate Rey
Never change you magnificent bastards
>>63896580
Finn - 7/10 - Cool guy, heart in the right place
Poe - 10/10 - Absolute bro.
Rey - 5/10 - muh stronk womyn that can do anything
Han Solo - 9/10 - Ford actually looked like he gave a shit, and was having fun.
Chewie - 8/10 - Best chewie performance in any star wars film
Kylo Ren - 9/10 - You see, this is how you portray an emotionally disturbed young person. Are you watching closely, mister Christensen?
Tray Tor - 10/10
Leia - 6/10 - Could care less about Leia.
Maz - 7/10 - she was OK
BB8 - 8/10 - Really liked the beeping sounds it made.
Admiral Ackbar - trap/10 - Needs more Ackbar desu
>Chewy - 9/10 - Chewy
meme opinion discarded
>rates all the women 5 or 4
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>>63897151
He's a good character idiot. I felt more emotion from him than any other star wars character. He seemed like the only one who cared that Han died
>>63897190
I didn't write the characters, Rey would have been much better as a strong force user but unable to control it because she isn't trained. That is literal fact not opinion.
>>63897190
>implying any women in that movie were well developed characters
Finn - 7/10 - a bit quick to turn, but he had solid moments
Poe - 10/10 -bro.
Rey - 5/10 - Boring character, breaking muh powers
Han Solo - 9/10 - Ford actually looked like he gave a shit, and was having fun.
Chewie - 8/10 - chewie
Kylo Ren - 9/10 - Emo edge rage, that I hope will get sharp soon, but actually had character for a bad guy
Tray Tor - 8/10
Leia - 6/10 - Who?
Maz - 7/10 - she was OK
BB8 - 8/10 - BEEP BOOP
Captain Phasma - 7/10 Pretty solid and happy they finally added a strong female
>mfw Phasma kicks ass
>>63896990
It's mainly a handful of /pol/acks crying about niggers and racemixing
>>63897086
>blaming Hayden and not George
Not cool pham, he was a good boy
Who is Tray Tor?
>>63897539
I absolutely blame Hayden. George can't write for shit. Take Ewan McGregor for instance, he got dialogue that was as shit as Hayden, yet he managed to make the best out of it (even though it's still shit). Compare that to the 0/10 acting from Hayden.
>No Hux
10/10 best new character, his speech is hype as fuck. He realised Kylo was an incompetent fuck instantly
>>63897637
Think it's the Storm Trooper who says TRAITOR to Finn, guess he's memeing
>>63896809
He actually did come off as a bad ass when he wasn't whining.
He did a good job illustrating the pull within him between the light and the dark.
>>63897320
ppffftttt Phasma gave in and shut down those shields so quickly she may as well have just joined the resistance while she was at it
>>63896821
Are you shitting me?
>>63896580
>yfw waiting for Admiral Ackbar to say it's a Trap
>yfw he never does
>>63896580
>Finn
7/10, he was entertaining and was well written
>Poe
6/10, funny
>Rey
5/10, too perfect, lacks any real character flaws except for her mysterious past. It's fine having a strong female lead, but she lacked depth.
>Han
9/10, well written, Harrison Ford does a great job reprising his role and seems to put a lot of love into it
>Chewy
10/10
>Kylo Ren
10/10, a brilliant character with major flaws, weaknesses and depth. Always entertaining when he's on screen, and can't wait too see more
>Leia
7/10, she's Leia but old
>Maz/Mas
2/10, try hard Yoda but lacks any charm or wit. Stands out incredibly so, very boring
>bb8
8/10, funny, charming, cute
>Snoke
5/10, Andy Serkis does a great job with what's been given to him, and his size is definitely unique, but other than that he's literally just another old disfigured white guy who probably shoots lightning out of his hands. Wish he was a giant reptile, like the leaks said
>Hux
9/10, loved his overacting. Was entertaining, basically a goofy version of Tarkin.
>Miles Straume
10/10, thank god he got off the island and being Scientist man
>Phasma
1/10, into the trash compactor
>>63896580
Finn - 11/10
Poe - 11/10
Rey - 10/10
Han Solo - 11/10
Chewie - 23/10
Kylo Ren - 9/10
Tray Tor - 10/10
Leia - 2/10
Maz - 7/10
BB8 - 11/10
Admiral Ackbar - 1000000000000/10
>>63896580
Chewie 10/10
Ackbar 10/10
Mouse Droid 9/10
>>63898421
>yfw you just killed you father
>yfw your dog is pissed as fuck
>yfw he shoots you in the dick and blows up your house
>>63896809
As a trainee of the dark side who feels the pull of the light, his overcompensation in succumbing to his emotions was both correct from a lore and character perspective. We don't have his whole story, but something in his training hit him while he was a petulant teen and he rode the wave of emotion since. I liked it
>>63896580
>Kylo Ren 6/10
>A bit edgelord, hope he improves
Holy shit did you even watch the movie? That's the fucking point. He's supposed to be a shitty kid who tries too hard to be cool. Easily the character with the most depth so far. 10/10
>>63898279
>Guys it's a meme i swear!
>>63896580
han shouldve showed up rey on her knowledge of the falcon. seriously how does she know every minute detail of the ship? that scene where han forgets to pull a lever and she motions toward and says that one made me reeee
>>63898596
>He's supposed to be a shitty kid who tries too hard to be cool.
Which makes him a terrible bad guy, since he is literally beaten by an untrained girl, all the suspense is lost. The dark side is supposed to give you more raw power than the light but he was still shit at it.
>>63896580
>>63897086
>>63897320
>>63898358
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought Rey's force nonsense was too far out of left field. The real tragedy is that JJ had the perfect opportunity to fix that issue in a scene that was in the movie. Imagine if when she was selling parts for rations the second time, and was arguing over the price being 1/2 each, she subconsciously used the jedi mind trick in a subtle way. The only real tell (beyond the vendor repeating "they are worth 1/2 each") would have been the slight pause before his answer, giving observant viewers a hint of her powers in what seems to be simple negotiation. The real trick is that it sets up that she has been unconsciously using the force to help her survive for years, giving some much needed foreshadowing to her escape scene, and allowing for suspension of disbelief when she pulls the lightsaber.
>>63898783
Fucking this. Gaylo Ren wasn't just the worst star wars villain ever, he was one of the worst fucking villains period. They spend all movie hyping him up with shit like the plasma shot and the vader helmet speech, then he gets fucking destroyed by Rey Sue.
>Inb4 it's the gunshot's fault.
This movie would have been much better if it had ended with the cliffhanger of Fin's defeat and Gaylo walking off looking like a smug shit. Imagine how fucking stupid it'd be if Luke's sister rolled in to defeat Vader after he got his hand chopped off.
And to top it offf, their ultra-death star got blown up so non-chalantly. Everything about the First Order is just a complete and utter fucking joke from right out the gate.
>>63898783
I think he's really well written and it's actually refreshing to see a bad guy sucking at being a bad guy, as long as he improves over time to become a real threat.
>beaten by an untrained girl
I think the problem lies with Rei, she isn't supposed to be successful at everything, force sensitive or not the was a fucking scavenger in the middle of the desert a few days before the fight
>>63898783
he had a giant hole in the side of his body you dunce
>>63898783
>terrible bad guy
Exactly. He's an actual character with depth and personality, instead of Vader 2. Also are you seriously complaining about him not being a perfect ultimate villain badass like in every fucking superhero movie?
He would have sucked super hard if he was Vader all over again and Abrams knew that so he made him an actual fanboy. Pretty much the best thing you could have done with a villain like him, considering how the light/dark stuff works in the universe and the whole "history repeats itself" idea behind the entire series.
I hate to be the annoying guy who says this kind of shit all the time, but you seriously need to watch more movies and get some better tastes, pal
>>63896580
>Admiral Ackbar - 10/10
THIS
>>63899252
No, but a bad guy needs to be someone powerful enough that you actually can imagine him winning. We've already seen that Rey is better than him. So where is the suspense? Perhaps he will get stronger and that sill be good, but an untrained force user just btfo of someone who is trained seems silly.
>>63899164
the first Order isnt important...its the sith lords and jedis that are important
Thats why its called the force awakens, its about the force you magnificent bastard
Kylo Ren was badass
>>63898783
>>63899164
You two are right, Ren wasn't the ultimate intimidating villain a Sith should be, but he wasn't a Sith.
He, like Ray, is completely untrained. Ren wasn't mean't to be the Dooku, Maul, etc, equivalent. For the first time in Star Wars history, we have a villain who's motives are actually clear and I personally sympathize with him a bit.
Ren is basically putting on a facade, he wants to be this bad ass Sith like Vader, but underneath the intimidating helmet and voice, he's a little bitch. It makes sense, Sith are overly emotional and let their personal ambition consume them, unlike Jedi... Ren can't control his emotions, and his personal ambition consumes him.
Yeah, you're right, there is a lack of suspense. He isn't really scary, but I suppose Snoke fits the bill pretty well.
>>63896580
>Rey - 4/10 - *meme warning* Mary Sue. She was just too good at everything straight away. She should have learned something from Han Solo about how to fly the falcon to show her as the trainee, and should have been less proficient with the force. I liked the *You are afraid* moment, which made sense, but after that *Now I am the jedi* was stupid.
I didn't even need to read this to know that you probably post on /r9k/ too. Fuck off, angsty virgin
>>63899551
>For the first time in Star Wars history, we have a villain who's motives are actually clear and I personally sympathize with him a bit.
>>63896580
>i hate women
>>63899573
It has literally nothing to do with the fact she's female you fucking autist, her character is badly written
>>63899597
>Discredits my opinion with a le tip
Crawl back to 9gag, meme fag
>>63899244
>Implying he would have won without it.
The gunshot didn't even seem to bother him. He barely even acknowledged it beyond the beginning when he starts hitting it like a retard just to hype himself up.
>>63899463
>It's the sith lords and jedis that are important
>Sith are some dumb teenager who can catch plasma in the air and read minds but can't swing a lightsaber and a CGI Lich.
>Interesting Jedi candidate with flaws and bro pilot are bumped off by Rey Sue who masters the force to the point of mind reading and outright mind control as well as wielding a lighstaber over the course of a single night.
>Dark side completely BTFO before they even get off the ground.
Nice suspense.
>>63899651
What are his motives? Beyond "I want 2 b da bad guy"
Ok, Rey was not a 4/10. She may have been a bit of a Mary Sue but no more than Luke. Also she's qt as fuck.
>>63899597
>Thinks she is considerd Mary Sue because she's a girl
>>>/reddit/
>>63897086
what about the spacenazi general, he was awesome
>>63899772
Quoted the wrong post buddy
>>63896580
What rank is Sheev?
>>63899901
66/10
>>63899426
Well, this is the first movie for the entire trilogy. You can't expect the good guys to lose in the first move, especially in Star Wars. Just wait for "The First Order Strikes Back" and I'm sure the bad guys will be doing a heck of a lot more winning.
>First time Rey and R2D2 in same room
>R2D2 turns on
>Only Luke had the power to turn him on
So Rey is Luke's daughter, right?
>>63899901
>>63899948
Could Kylo beat Sheev?
>>63899948
>not SEN/ETT
>>63899949
I didn't expect that, but there is literally no menace to Kylo Ren, he just seems like a little bitchboi who can be easily beaten.
>>63899426
But he's clearly not a classic villain type. Maybe the point of his character isn't about him being an ultimate bad guy. Maybe he's more like an OT Luke in the sense that he's young, untrained, confused and somewhat powerful with an important destiny. At least that's the way I see it. Then again it's only the first part of a trilogy, so it's all probably going to make sense once the final part comes out.
But still, your argument about how he's a bad character because he doesn't fall under an archetype is wrong. He's unique and has a lot of depth so far, and because you don't like a certain character it doesn't mean it's poor or he should be good/bad because you don't want "change".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPiFBglF36M
>>63899901
>>63899963
>Only Luke had the power to turn him on
Now I know what the D stands for...
>>63896580
Phasma: -30 / 10
3 criminals barge into your house and hold you at gunpoint, they demand to know where your wife and kid are so they can rape the shit out of them. What do?
>>63896580
I remember Ackbar had a line, but what was it?
>>63900018
To be fair, he only lost to Rey. And since she's the only Jedi in existence next to Luke, who's been AWOL for years, I would assume that this was his first light saber fight. I'm not trying to change your opinion, this is just how I saw it.
I don't think Rey was bad, but we should have learned more about her.
How about she gets something wrong about the ship she's been in for 10 minutes, and Han teaches her because he immediately sees her natural talent and potential?
Or Finn asks her about her mad self defense skills, and she teaches HIM how to use the staff while explaining how she learned! She could even be self taught, just give us some info.
We don't even know why she rejected the saber! Obviously it spooked her, but why?
Fuck! She isn't bad, but her being ostensibly flawless and frustratingly vague doesn't make her a better character. We know Finn's origin and don't need to know Poe's, but hers is clearly important.
That and Phasma was a fucking waste. Why not have her put up a fight, at least?
>>63900036
But the fault was with the first part of the film and the promotional material trying to make him out to be a big bad guy, then in the actual film he is nothing like that.
>>63900149
She isn't a Jedi, she's force sensitive.
>>63900174
That was intentional, though. It wasn't a failure. They wanted you to see him first as a threat and realize he's a scared child.
>>63899768
>Mary Sue but no more than Luke.
>the best argument rey fags have is a terrible one
>She was a mary sue but but but so was luke!
>not even a true argument and even if it was would still not dismiss the complaint
>>63899968
>>63899968
No way
>Finn - 7/10
>Poe - 7/10
>Rey - 7/10
>Han Solo - 9/10
>Chewie - 9/10
>Kylo Ren - 8/10
>Tray Tor - 10/10
>Leia - 6/10
>Maz - 6/10
>BB8 - 7/10
>Admiral Ackbar - 10/10
>r2d2 - 4/10
>3po - 5/10
>phasma - 4/10
>luke - 8/10 ( the character not the background)
>>63899768
>Bit of a Mary Sue
>Has no education or training because she was orphaned on a desert planet where she just picks up scraps for a living
>Master in Engineering
>Master in linguistics
>Master in Combat Aviation
>Master in Marksmanship
>Master in Swordsmanship
>Master in Force, to the point of mind control and mind reading, without even having prior knowledge that such things were possible in the first place.
There is literally nothing in this movie that she wasn't an expert at on the first try. Don't even compare her to Luke's path of growth that took three movies to reach what she excelled at in the span of a single weekend.
>>63900085
2 lines i think actually, just when they're discussing how to take down starkiller.
>>63900197
What's the difference again?
Kylo Ren:
Plate Wearer
High HP
Low MP
High Strength
High Stamina
Low Agility
Low Intellect
Low Spirit
Rey:
Cloth Wearer
Low HP
High MP
Low Strength
Medium Stamina
High Agility
High Intellect
Medium Spirit
>>63900435
Jedi is a rank you acheive after training.
>>63896580
Okay, real talk here.Why did Kylo wear the mask?
Seriously though, what's the point in wearing it? It's not like if they pulled it off, he would die (unlike Vader). So, why the mask?
>>63900513
Some people here think it gave him depth as a character... lmao
>>63900513
To look scary as fuck
>>63900509
Regardless of what she is, he hasn't fought or faced against someone else that was Force sensitive as well.
And it just hit me that they're both trying to be the best of who they are (Kylo/Sith and Rey/Jedi) and this was their first fight.How much you want to bet that they're actually brother and sister somehow?
>>63900513
because he wants to be Vader so fucking bad
>>63900435
Jedi are trained, which I think is where a big part of the Mary Sue cries come from.
Luke's real training didn't even begin until empire, but he had a few minutes with Obi Wan.
I'm willing to let some of Rey's instant expert at everything slide a bit because she's force sensitive, but she would be a better character if we knew why she was so amazingly skilled instead of just magic.
Luke, for instance, mentions he used to bullseye womp rats in his T-16. There's some basis for his piloting there.
>>63900266
Why not?
>>63900649
Sheev fucked up Yoda and Mace. Rylo got wrecked by a newbie with zero training.
>>63900509
No it isn't.
A youngling is a Jedi whose too young to start apprenticeship. A padawan is an apprentice who has an official master. A Knight is full fledged Jedi who has achieved their trials to finishing their training. And a Master is a Knight who has enough seniority and experience to start the cycle again with their own padawan/apprentice.
>>63900513
Literally because he was a huge fanboy and wanted to be like Vader. He wanted to look scary and imposing, even though he's just a dumb kid. Same thing with his pointless voice modulation and trying tough and threatening, but still losing his temper and throwing a tantrum like a dumb child.
>>63898263
She'll be back, and Poe's dick will bring her to the resistance
>>63900649
Because Sheev is ridiculously powerful, one of the strongest force users ever. Sheev BTFO of Yoda.
Kylo is an angsty young adult who hasn't even completed his training
>>63900611
Yeah I agree I was fine with her up until she used Jedi Mind tricks and Force Grab like a pro.
Also
>I le know everything about le Millenium Falcon despite never flying it before
was totally retarded
>>63896580
Rey: 4/10 boring and too good at everything
Finn: 5/10 just ok
Poe: 7/10 decent character; not enough screen time
Han: 6.5/10 great character, underwhelming way to go. Also too old
Leia: 5/10 too old, only there for nostalgia
Luke: 5/10 blink and you'll miss him, 9/10 look tho
Chewie: who cares/10
BB-8: 6/10 pretty much football R2
Hux: 3/10 too young, kinda useless, looks like a fag
Kylo Ren: 4/10 lost all credibility as soon as he removes his helmet
Snoke: 6/10 design is meh but want to know more about him
Tray Tor: 11/10 RIP
You forgot
Nien Nunb - 1000/10
Would you serve Sheev or Snoke?
>>63899768
Except for when he slaughtered a bunch of younglings in Luke's Jedi academy? I'm assuming he sparred up until that point.
>>63900149
Luke used to bullseye womprats in his T-16, but then when he got on the Falcon, he didn't even know what that one flashing light was that said the deflector shield was failing, didn't understand hyperspace, etc. It took him like three years of fucking around to even make a lightsaber fly into his hand.
>>63900839
Sheev is Snoke
>>63900788
Oh and
Phasma: so useless I even forgot she was in the movie/10
>>63900846
Yeah it was kinda bullshit. I guess they wanted to hype it up and make it like Finn was the Jedi when it was actually her and they didn't bother to make plot points about it.
>>63900921
More like trash/10
>>63900513
He's a Vader fanboy
>>63899768
>but no more than Luke
Come on m8 in ESB when Luke faced Vader even after some training you knew he was gonna get schooled hard, and he did. In TFA they made Rey train herself to be a Jedi Knight in about 45 minutes then wrecked the bad guy, and this is only part 1.
>>63896580
I agree with Finn and Poe.
I'd rank Rey at a 6/10. She needed her flaws to have more real consequences in the events of the movie, but there's plot reasons for while she winds up being so powerful, and I'm eager to see how she develops in the sequels.
Agree with you Han and Chewie
>Kylo Ren
Fucking 10/10 best part of the movie
so what's the deal with Snoke
who/what is he
>be a slave
>have a upper middle class north london accent
totally ruined the movie for me
>>63896580
We're sorry about doubting you Boygetta, plz save this trilogy from Rey plox.
>>63896749
He was written to be a conflicted young man who is trying to measure up to his mighty grandfather and it is apparent he lacks the ability to do so. This was achieved well and Adam Driver did a solid performance driving this home.
However, having such an individual as the main villain of the film was not the right choice and ended up making the First Order seem unthreatening and incompetent.
>>63898421
10/10 scene
BRAVO CHEWIE
>>63900730
Second.
>>63901049
As someone who is trying to get into star wars, what do you reccommend, apart from watching the original trilogy.
Any comics? Already downloaded one of the games (KoToR), so, any other suggestions?
>>63901100
I was almost positive Chewie was the one that was going to bite the dust.
>First days after release
>/tv/ hates it
>Reddit Leddit Media loves it
>Suddenly /tv/ normies loved the film
Quelle surprise
>>63901032
Maybe fucking watch part VIII and IX before posting.
>>63901049
I thought Resistance/Rebels were supposed to have American English accents and the bad guys were supposed to have British accents??? Isn't that Star Wars???? Foreshadowing maybe??????
>>63901128
Rouge Squadron
Rogue Squadron 2
Rogue Squadron 3
>>63900045
Can someone please edit the Hateful 8 scene of the old white guy sucking Samuel's cock to the end of this webm?
>>63896580
>"I don't want to kill" *kills stormies like butter*
He didn't want to kill innocent people, kids included. Just like most of the people who would rather fight ISIS than kill french dudes
>inb4 politics
You get the point
And kylo is easily an 8/10, better than any prequel villain by far
>literally everyone hates Rey
>the movie is called The Force Awakens
>people get butthurt that the Force awakened within one of the characters
I think it's bullshit how good of a pilot she was, but arguably someone who spent their entire life salvaging scrap ships probably learned a thing or two about how to fly them.
Her being able to overpower Kylo Ren was just a show of how strong the Force within her was now that she could use it. Also Kylo had gotten BTFO by Chewie's bowcaster and just finished fighting Finn in a lightsaber fight, likely his first one ever with an actual opponent outside of probably Snoke
>>63901128
The prequels aren't everyone's cup of tea, but you should watch it after the original. Just don't expect something better than the originals.
As for games, the Jedi Knight games, Republic Commando, Battlefront 2 (you could try the new one if you want but it's very lacking), and any of the Rogue Squadron games. Also, if you have a N64, Episode 1: Racer and Shadows of the Empire are god-tier.
>>63901174
Don't forget Obi-Wan.
Could she be his granddaughter btw? We can hear Ben's voice when she has that flashback/flash forward thing.
I just can't wait for Luuke. They found Luke's old lightsaber so that means they found his old hand. Definitely cloned that bitch to make Luuke.
>>63899768
>Took Luke two movies to master Force Pull
>Took Luke three movies to master Mind Trick
>MaRei Sue accomplishes both in last half of the first movie she appears in
That's only getting started B
Pic: related
>>63901226
Seconding this
>>63900509
If the order was active Rey would be a knight.
Beating a dark-sider 1v1 is almost always automatic grounds for knighting regardless of how far along in the trials you were.
Watch in ep 8 she gets knighted right off the bat cause of that.
>>63900174
>implying a trailer should have given any thing away about the movie
bitch about finn being portrayed as jedi in the trailers too then
>>63896580
Rey being really good at the force for no reason bugged me a lot too, until I saw the movie for the second time.
You'll notice when Kylo Ren is reading her mind and looking at her childhood, he mentions how she imagines an ocean with an island on it while she was trying to go to sleep.
She was probably watching Luke train the new Jedi through her subconsciousness while she slept.
Guarantee you they're gonna explain this first thing in the next movie.
>>63901164
RLMs review is either two things. Genuine pleb tier acceptance, or meta commentary about how everyone will love it just because its not the prequels.jay is pleb tier regardless
>>63901248
>Her being able to overpower Kylo Ren
honestly, I almost wonder if JJ is just retconning the absurd lightsaber duels of the prequels and just pretending that all duels are like the more realistic ones of the OT
>>63901248
She was literally 100% untrained in the force, that is the problem you dumb fucking moron.
The whole star wars universe up until that point has required people to train before they can fully understand and use the force, and then she just does it because muh stronk woman
>>63896580
AWW fuck Ackbars in it?
and here I was all comfy just to wait for the bluray
>>63901379
>She was literally 100% untrained in the force
there's no way to confirm or deny this, its only eluded to when she touches luke's lightsaber
>>63896580
>Finn
9/10 would cuck
>Poe
10/10 would fuck
>Rey
7/10, Mary Sue stuff is mostly just mindless parroting but she wasn't nearly as good as Finn/Poe/Kylo. Still solid though.
>Han Solo
8/10, wasn't a grumpy old man who looked like he didn't want to be there, actually gave a shit.
>Kylo Ren
10/10 bretty good angsty fuckup dark Jedi
>Grand Poobah Snookie
?/10 I cannot form an opinion about him for some reason. I kinda hope he's actually comically large or actually comically small in reality though.
>Leia
old/10, should have killed her off too just so I don't have to think about her anymore.
>Maz
5/10, I liked parts of her dialog and disliked parts of it, didn't really like the design or full CGI.
>BB8
9/10, good example of fun cartoonish sidekick that isn't Jar Jar levels of shit.
>Hux
7/10? I liked him until his Nazi speech where they blow up all the planets, which was really ham-handed with its HEY GUYS LIKE THE NAZIS I'M SCREAMING AND YOU'RE ALL DOING HAND SALUTES IT'S LIKE THE NUREMBERG RALLYS LET'S GO GENOCIDE EVERYONE
>Luke
Aged better than Leia/10
>Phasma
3/10, seemed okay at first but barely was in it and acted like a bitch nigga, Boba Fett 2.0
The characters were the best part of the movie. I'm interested in 8 because they did a good job of casting and setting up good characters, so I care about what happens next.
Main complaint with the movie centers around Death Star 3 and how everything became really predictable and safe once they got back to Yavin.
>>63900611
i hope the next one does a good job of explaining her past. It may be able to cover some plot holes but everyone already has an unshakable opinion on the movies.
Tbqh i though she was good at reverse engineering things because she spent a life scavenging a fallen destroyer
>>63899693
>He barely even acknowledged it beyond the beginning when he starts hitting it like a retard just to hype himself up.
I think that was sort of numbing the wound.
>>63901379
Solved >>63901327
2EZ. Pay attention.
>>63901248
>The force awakens
She's more powerful than Luke was after 3 fucking movies with no guidance, no training, nothing but a single night's effort.
Everyone hates Rey Sue because she's literally an expert at fucking everything and has no flaws. She's the Superman of Star Wars, and everyone thinks Superman is boring and flat as shit, Just like Rey.
It's even a bigger fuck you because they spent all this time implying Finbro was going to be the force-sensitive character and he got downgraded to fucking comedic relief despite an infinitely more interesting backstory and far more relateable personality. He had some things he picked up by being a Stormtrooper, but he was an expert at nothing, had flaws, and generally was what you'd expect of someone doing all this crazy shit for the first time. Rey is master-level at fucking EVERYTHING for no reason.
>>63901379
>she was 100% untrained in the force
>was at least a toddler when she was left on Jakku
>poor memory of her past other than that someone left her there
You're just rump roasted that a woman is going to be this generations Luke. Cry mo bitch nigga
>>63900297
> C-3PO
> 5/10
This fucking faggot , C-3PO was 7-8/10.
>>63901523
Amen. 3PO rules.
>>63900513
Because it hurts to take it off
>>63901248
> everyone hates Rey
Most people love her. Don't generalize a /tv/ sample to the normal world. Even here she is liked by about half of TFA anons. 0/10
poe better have a bigger role in the next movie
>>63901510
No I'm not. I'm annoyed that someone who has no training is somehow able to do more than someone is has had training.
>>63901523
>>63901578
Mein niggers!
Fucking C-3PO better have a big role in episode VIII.
>>63901597
>Even here she is liked by about half of TFA anons
Only after RLM told them to love her.
>>63896580
rey was qt/3.14
>>63901623
>no training
>implying she didn't have extensive training but had all those memories wiped
>>63901623
>implying you know everything about rey's past
>>63901687
>implying she was trained at 5 and such a ridiculously fast learner that she becomes better at the force as a toddler than Luke
Mary Sue
>>63901351
He is. It's a conceptual decision, just like the prquels "retconned" the lightsaber duels in their way.
I'm positive we won't get anime fights and dancing in the next movies.
>>63901623
>implying she hasn't had training
>implying it wasn't the Force guiding her
I smiled like a little kid when R2 came back
>>63901687
>>63901692
>Be told nothing about her past
>people use that to defend that she might have jedi training but just forgot about it
And if she had forgot about it, how can she use it, or know to use it?
Pretty bad excuse, if they wanted to imply or hint about that they should done so.
>>63901623
He's been shot.
Try to think of something you're good at. Now imagine trying to do that with a bowcaster bolt size hole in your chest.
That's what the fight was like for Kylo Ren.
>>63901848
I'm not mad he lost the fight, but was out forced by someone who shouldn't have done so.
>>63901820
>And if she had forgot about it, how can she use it, or know to use it?
you people act like this fucking never happens
>sleeper agents in movies that know how to kick ass but forgot
>awaken power shit
>>63901848
also I think it is possible that Kylo is not an amazing swordfighter. Luke's training from Yoda didn't seem to be very swordfighting based, it was more about the force. Kylo seems like a powerful force user so maybe that's the most of what he got from Luke.
It seems possible that while the force is something of a lost art in the galaxy, dueling could be even rarer
>>63901814
I did, too. I think I cried a little when I saw him turned off, waiting to be reactivates to find Luke. The thought of that was just so sad, to me.
>>63896580
Honestly, I hope in the next film there's a scene where Kylo goes fucking apeshit on Phasma for so easily lowering the sheilds.
Just the thought of her being fucking destroyed after being such a non character and single handedly facilitating the resistance victory brings me a bit of happiness
>>63901917
But this is literally just you filling in gaps to fit your opinion. Based on what we see in the movie there is zero explanation for her proficiency with the force
>>63901893
What do you even mean by "out forced"? She doesn't demonstrate any of the sophisticated techniques Kylo Ren does like freezing people in place or ripping open people's minds. She just has enough raw power to to beat a seriously wounded dark jedi apprentice.
>>63901848
That was so fucking badass when he beat his wounds to feel more pain.
That shit gave me goosebumps man, it was fucking great
>>63902004
>ripping open people's minds.
She literally read his mind and blocked him from entering hers.
She literally used jedi mind tricks
She literally managed to force grab a lightsaber he was grabbing for too.
Didn't you even watch the flick senpai? Be honest.
Finn - 8/10 - He was funny when he tried to be, might have over-acted in a few scenes but I liked his bromance with Poe
Poe - 9/10 - Dashing rogue if I've ever seen one, one hell of a pilot
>That jacket looks good on you, keep it
Rey - 6/10 - She was too good at everything, they didn't explain much of her Jedi background (She obviously is)
Han - 9/10 - I was sad to see him go, but he was good in his scenes
Chewie - 9.5/10 - After Han died I honestly expected Chewie to jump down to Kylo and rip one of his fucking arms off, his rage mode where he blew up the section of the base after killing a few guys was fucking awesome
Kylo Ren - 9/10 - His temper tantrums were hilarious and he knows his flaws, I can't wait to see the rest of his story
>Punches wound
TRAITOR - 10 out of fucking 10 - Gentlemanly combat
Leia - 6/10 - Didn't really react when she found out Han died
Maz Kanata - 7/10 - New Yoda? She was chill, didn't really explain much to Rey, did she survive?
BB-8 - 10/10 - Cute as fuck I don't even care, I can't wait to see him and R2 interact more
Admiral Ackbar - 10/10 - Thought it was just a regular Calamari at first but it was him
8/10 overall, fun movie, glad Star Wars doesn't suck now
>>63901609
I hope so. He wasnt even supposed to make it out of 7 alive though initially, so who knows what his role will be.
>>63901666
>Only after The Mary Sue told people to love her.
>Implying I'm wrong
>Discounting the bastions of Tumblr landwhales who would parrot that shitty publications line
Finn was cool because I thought they were going to make him into some hella f*ckn epic character when in reality he seems to be just a regular guy
Finn 7/10
Rey 7/10
Poe 9/10
Kylo Ren 10/10
BB-8 8/10
Han Solo 9/10
Chewbacca 10/10
C-3PO 8/10
Overall 8.5/10 movie. Fucking awesome.
>>63897949
This, this, and this. I'm sick of "Hayden dindu nuffin"
Ewan worked with what he had and was, in a sense, enjoyable, at least compared to the other morons.
Hayden was shit. He was terrible It was his fault. End of discussion.
Finn- Good mix of comic relief and seriousness, him and BB-8 together make a more action capable comedy duo than R2 and 3PO. Hopefully he's not all comedy from here on out. Hopefully he doesn't pork worst girl
Poe- Pretty much the unanimous opinion is that he's great and we need more.
Rey- Shit/10 until they explain her Mary Sue force knowledge, and if it's predictable or stupid her score wont be moving up much. Her skill in mechanics, fighting, and piloting makes sense from her Jakku background.
BB8- As a droid obsessed autist with a infatuation with R2 and 3PO since childhood there was almost no way I was going to get sold on a "replacement" but I'll be damned BB8 was amazing. His range of expression is much better and the utilities we've been introduced to like the lighter, shock, and grappling hooks are all very useful and I can see them coming back into play over the trilogy as opposed to him just being a bottomless swiss army knife.
Maz Kanata-If she had been a puppet ala OT Yoda she would have been a perfect ten, that said her actors performance was still good, so even though she gives me a bit too much of a prequel vibe I still enjoyed her
Han Solo- Him and Chewie are easily the highlights of this movie. Ford is better acting form than he has been in years. 1010 death
Chewie- Easily the best Chewie has been in a movie, the more natural dialogue serves to include chewie in the plot better.
Kylo Ren- Both the least likable and best written new character, any way I can think of to go with his character would be interesting, personally hoping for a redemption story when Rey becomes a sith
Captain Toyseller- I'm still convinced to get her lego action-figure thing so I guess it worked.
Hux- Great successor to the Moff and I hope we get more of a focus on the Government vs Mysticism infighting in the New Order because it's a criminally underutilized part of the Empire in the OT
Tray Tor- Honorable/10
>>63898016
Hux was a total boss, treated Kylo like the bitch nigga he was
10/10 would blow up solar systems with
>>63902063
>She literally read his mind and blocked him from entering hers.
We have multiple examples of total force illiterates being immune to Jedi mind tricks, why would we be surprised that a force prodigy would be able to do this? It's not like she extracted some secret information from him, his angst is over Vader is projected just by the way he dresses.
>She literally managed to force grab a lightsaber he was grabbing for too.
She has a special connection to the weapon
>>63901433
The burden of proof is only on people claiming she might have training, though. The movie gives zero indication that she was trained. There is no reason to claim she was other than to make her be less unexplainably perfect
>>63901432
He is onscreen for less than 30 seconds and maybe has one line.
>>63896580
I really hope Poe doesn't become a side character, he seems very fitting as one of the main three for this trilogy. I liked Finn but I felt very underwhelmed by his abilities, I guess I was hoping he was going to get Force powers, perhaps he's the Sokka of star wars, comic relief like character who slowly evolves into a competent fighter and leader. Rey has too much going on they could have given Finn at least a few of her traits.
>>63897949
>Take Ewan McGregor for instance, he got dialogue that was as shit as Hayden
He didn't have anything close to an Anakin love scene to act out.
>>63902207
>i blame hayden
do you blame all the other actors as well? only sheev and obi wan were trying
>>63902207
I saw some movie recently because I like watching shitty Nicolas Cage movies. Turned out though that Hayden was the main character, he was like a knight or a samurai or something.
Made me realize that my previous position of "Hayden dindu nuffin" was wrong and he actually is a shit actor.
>>63902212
>implying Finn and BB-8 are better than R2 and C-3PO in action scenes.
Partially why C-3PO works so well in action scenes is that he is a complete coward and basically useless when it comes to combat.
And I'd rather see R2-D2 messing up the villains shit than BB-8.
>>63902371
he'll probably replace han as their pilot
>>63902212
She was a slave... I think. The movie never fucking elaborated on that. Why the fuck would any of those assholes she was forced to work under allow her anywhere near a starship? She can scavenge, great. That doesn't mean she can fix shit and know how it operates. She had to ask the payment dude how much each of those parts she got from the Star Destroyer costed. How the fuck does she know how to pilot a starship--let alone fix it?
>>63897086
Christensen has been decent in other movies. Watch Broken Glass. The prequels had maxing actors like McDiarmond and even Samuel L Jackson give shitty performances. It just wasn't written well and had bad direction.
>>63902438
Nope that's Rey...
>>63901159
Everyone was from the look of that one trailer where he hits the detonator and it shows an explosion
>>63902367
was it anything to do with traps?
guys what clearly happened was some transfer-of-ability shit when she touched the actual lightsaber. like, think that it's about as retarded as how sasuke got his mangekyou sharingan and it'll make perfect sense. fuckin austists i tell ya, cant make sense of shit.
>>63902451
Shattered Glass.
He is great as a smug liar who turns into a whiney fuckup when he gets exposed, though.
>>63902489
Unfortunately, no.
>>63902500
that's not how the force works
>>63902489
Made a remark about defenses, similar to his "can't repel firepower of that magnitude" line from RotJ.
>>63902526
You missed a good opportunity to post some Han Solo faggot. I am disappoint.
Finn - 7/10 - Burdy gud. I agree that he seemed rushed and not enough was fleshed out about him. Ditto sentiments that it was out of whack for him to just slay stormtroopers, given that he wanted to escape killing and those storm troopers could be just like him.
Poe - 8/10 - Loved him. He had a great nostalgic vibe to him, evoked Top Gun and 80s 'tude.
Rey - 5/10 - Padme redux. Strong brunette brit. Yeah, that's not lazy. Should have been more helpless and normal. Made stronger after harnessing the force under Luke's guidance.
Han Solo - 9/10 - Han gonna Han.Shouldn't have died though. It was unnecessary forced shocking moment.
Chewy - 10/10 - Chewy gonna Chew.
Kylo Ren - 7/10 - ONE NOTHING WRONG WITH ME TWO...He's an emo autist but good potential... I think he's come back to the Light. Looking forward to seeing how that plays out.
Leia - 6/10 - Whatever. Hope she gets more screen time in the next two.
That weird bug eyed woman - 5/10 - Why was she set up as so important? Complete Deus Ex Machina and unless it is actually revealed how she got Lukes saber.
BB8 - 6/10 - Just R-2. Whatever.
Admiral Ackbar - 10/10
>Poe
>Finn
>Han
>Kylo Ren
All written well. All performed very well. All men
>Rey
Mary Sue.
>Leia
Absolutely no character whatsoever. >Muh son
>Silver stormtrooper woman
Literally INTO THE TRASH IT GOES
So why were all the women written horribly?
>>63902424
They still obviously have to be in the movies and I dont want them completely stuck helping out Leia in the command center or something like that.
R2 is going with Rey for her trainingmuh poetryso we'll obviously still see these characters out and about.
>>63902605
A desire to be progressive without the know how to actually write a female character.
>>63902571
>Ditto sentiments that it was out of whack for him to just slay stormtroopers
Yeah I felt uncomfortable, it made me feel for the stormtroopers that called him a traitor.
>>63902643
I have no problem with her having force powers but they should have toned it down and had something else stop the fight and had her almost lose. At least that way we can have the progression of her learning much like Luke.
>>63902638
I just hope they're both central to the story and action like they were in the OT and not stuck in the background.
I loved that C-3Po and R2 were involved in the battle on Hoth, three skirmish on Cloud City and the Battle of Endor.
Even though they don't contribute much to the action, I love seeing them a part of it.
Has anybody come up with the idea that Rei comes from an educated background and the people who raised her before leaving trained her on the non Jedi stuff?
Someone taught her to fight and speak Droid.
>>63897086
Christensen has been decent in other movies. Watch Broken Glass. The prequels had maxing actors like McDiarmond and even Samuel L Jackson give shitty performances. It just wasn't written well and had bad direction.
>this entire threadhalf rations
>>63902444
>She was a slave... I think.
OH MY GOD
>Portions is holding Rey and saying "Come on, girl!" In her force flashback.
>She takes off in the Falcon
>Portions screams "THATS MIIIIINE!" at the Falcon
>My fucking when he meant Rey
>My fucking face when if Luke left Rey on Jakku he sold either his own daughter/ some youngling that survived Kylo Ren's betrayal/ an adult Rey with her memory wiped and a new one implanted/ etc into slavery
OH MY GOD
>>63902489
I believe he mentioned "magnitude" which got me hard as fuck
but really how is it confirmed to be Ackbar? I knew that it was probably him because of fanservice, but was his name even used in the movie?
>>63898956
underrated post.
completely agree.
>>63901460
these ratings are correct
>>63899463
I was going to agree with you but you keep talking like a huge faggot, so I'll tell you to kill yourself instead. See what you did? You could have a great opinion but choose to be a faggot and ruined it. Good job.
>>63902793
If she had her brain wiped because she was turning to the dark side then I would dig that story line.
>>63902794
Yes, in the credits. Just like Nien Nunb
>>63902696
There was a bit of the passing of the torch with BB-8 being bestowed the macguffin, but they wont pass up the opportunity to have BB-8, R2, and 3PO moments. There are tons of things BB-8 cant do that one of them can, translate and hold a lightsaber to name a few
Poe: 9/10 - That's ONE hell of a fighter pilot! He talks first. Keep his jacket. That scene of him attempting to resist Kylo. Not enough screen time.
BB-8: 2/10 - Not R2. Basically R2 but they swear it's not R2.
Kylo Ren: 4/10 - Angstier, not as adept Anakin with daddy issues.
Finn: 7/10 - Comedic relief with a crush which grants him +10 to reckless courage. Sometimes humor too cringey.
Rey: 8/10 - qt3.14 scavenger with experience from life of hardship. Can run without having her hand held. Thinks she can handle herself. Possibly a mind-wiped youngling and descendent of Anakin or Kenobi.
Phasma: 2/10 - Sir...
General Hux: 6/10 - Kylo's more poised, mature rival. Possibly a Sith.
Han: 5/10 - Can't talk his way out of things. Shell of a cocky, charismatic scoundrel.
Chewie: 9/10 - Not so sure Han was a war hero. Basically Han's care-taker. He must be VERY brave. Only one to lose their shit and engage berserker rage when they lose what they value.
Chewie's self proclaimed gf: 5/10 - Knows a lot and has stories to tell, but doesn't. Not enough revealed about her.
TR-8R: 7/10 - Loyal. Fair-play believer. Dies by blaster fire as is stormtrooper destiny.
Leia: 1/10 - Irrelevant. Cringe worthy.
Luke: 10/10 - ... ... ...
>>63899606
fedora fags are actually known for being whiteknights, landhwale cunt-chan, but nice try using a meme you didn't knew because some online opinion you couldn't interpret triggered you this hard
>>63902687
We can't have that though. Otherwise the feminists and SJW's will scream about how Rey needs a man to help her become a strong character, and we can't have that. No no, better to have her be fucking awesome at everything! That will show em!
>>63902909
Hold not as in 3PO holding it but R2 storing it in Jabba's Palace
>>63902793
>this entire theory
Han said Rations bought it from a guy who stole from another guy who stole from Han
1/4 rations and I'm being generous
>>63902687
I've been saying that all along. What is Luke actually going to teach her? She's already a fucking Jedi master with no training. They wasted a potentially nice character arc. Much better had she been more scared and normal in this one and then grew up after harnessing the force.
>>63900471
How you gonna say low mp? He held that blaster shot in place in the beginning of the movie. While he walked around talking. Fucker is 2 stronk with the force.
>>63899573
>shilling this hard
At least this one lurked enough to know the board names, still sounding like a tumblreena with retardation, so disney did a bad job hiring.
the new characters are pretty cool and I think they all have potential to be built up in the following movies
>>63902909
I loved TFA and understand why the droids played limited roles to make at for introducing the newer characters.
I just feel like the droids can play central roles in episodes 8 and 9 without inconveniencing the plot.
>>63902913
>Not Phasma: 2/10 - You're making a BIG mistake
You fucked up anon
>>63902913
>mind-wiped
when has this ever been a thing in starwars?
no EU faggot
>>63902918
This is what's frustrating this kind of criticisms ruins actual character arcs, I'm all for empowered female leads but we need proper progression of their characters especially if they're suppose to be going through a coming of age story. I'll grant that Luke blowing up the death star was pretty impressive but it was all setup from an early scene when he's training with Ben.
>>63902974
Rey absolutely doesn't she's already a Jedi master. It's silly. I'm not some /pol/ virgin crying about "SJWs" and I don't care if Rey becomes a strong kick-ass character, but I just think it would have been better if she grew into it after Luke's training, etc.
She has no where to grow. It would be pretty righteous if she succumbed to the Dark Side.
W-what if... in Episode IX, the last light saber battle is between Dark Side Rey and redeemed Ben Solo?
I would actually really dig that.
>>63903103
her backstory will be explored in the future films, so they have that to go on
I wish BB-8 was a girl droid so he could be R2's girlfriend.
>>63902742
he even speaks like shit. He's shit and you can stop defending him now like a retard.
Actors for Finn and Poe should be switched. Then roles in the movie for Rey and Finn should switch. That being: Finn is the new Luke/Jedi and Rey is the new Han/Scout.
Those changes would up this movie from a 7/10 to a 9/10 for me. Oscar Isaac is the perfect lead Jedi for this trilogy. And Boyega would make a great 'best rebel pilot'. His confused, sweaty, panting face would have been perfect for most of Poe's scenes, especially the torture.
>>63903219
Do droid's even have genders?
Also I thought R2D2 and C3PO were in a relationship.
>>63896809
I think he was Anakin done right.
>>63903219
this, its like nobodys seen Wall-e
droid love story is best love story
I'm disappointed that Finn didn't end up being able to use the force, he did okay with a lightsaber for being just a regular guy though
>>63903103
>>63903092
>I'm all for
>kick-ass character
>boogeymen
Those speaking patterns are /co/mblr worthy. Either /co/mblreenas or try-hard lebbitors are here. Shame they need to ruin their own decent posts by talking like mongoloids.
>people suddenly like TFA
I hate this place
>>63903374
yeah, this ledditor >>63903103 made a half-decent post but
>ass-kicking
his cringey speak, need to fit in and to appease a pc crowd who won't be reading him here anyway ruined his post. You see he's scared because OP's post triggered some shitpost and he thinks it's real sjws who are going to harass him too instead of fags baiting.
>>63900604
>Luke fucked off because Han cucked him
Holy shit senpai
>>63903478
It's mostly literal children and marketing
>>63902918
>Otherwise the feminists and SJW's will scream about how Rey needs a man to help her become a strong character, and we can't have that.
It's going to get really cringeworthy in the sequel when Luke is teaching her to lift something and she turns around to him and says "I don't need you to tell me that! Stop holding my hand!!" and then proceeds to do it first try.
Kylo Ren is a good character for all the reasons stated ITT but his existence (among other things) kinda fucked the movie up
I think with this kind of movie we need a villain we can really hate. He doesn't necessarily have to be as robotic as Vader was in IV, but he needs to be an unquestionably bad guy. Yes, Kylo did evil things in the movie, but we were also shown his doubts about his devotion to the dark side. Which gives the viewer the idea that he's probably going to be redeemed (or at least not totally evil) later on in the series. Again, all of that could be okay, but we need a "real" villain to fill in the void.
All we had here was Hux, a generic Imperial bootlicker who was way too young to be menacing in a position of military authority like that, and Snoke, who seemed nefarious enough, but we really didn't see him do anything than move Kylo's plot along via dialogue a few times during the movie. Basically, the "bad guys" had too many characters and it felt messy.
>>63898288
He wasn't caught in a trap though.
>>63903374
What a pointless post that doesn't attribute anything to the conversation. Bravo faggot.
>>63902913
>general hux
>sith
Literally what?
Carrie Fisher > General Leia
>>63903616
>Existence of a Skywalker
>Fucked it up
Kylo was the best new character in the film. All of the new characters were great, but Kylo was the most compelling. Hoping they can do the same for Rey.
>>63903616
they wanted to reference all the original three movies at once and fucked up the pottery
.
it was nice seeing those 2 guys from the raid
hope they get more roles in movies
>>63896848
>mfw that exact same bullshit
>>63903673
>s-stop triggering me!! Let me save face from those true statements by screaming you aren't contributing!!
So the "Either /co/mblreenas or try-hard lebbitors are here" was 100% true after all. Shame you need to ruin your discussions with your cringey speak, son.
>>63899463
>its the sith lords and jedis that are important
The Sith are gone and there is exactly one Jedi who is hiding someplace.
Kylo Ren is a part of the Knights of Ren a separate order of Dark Force users.
It's where he gets his last name, a bit like how all Sith Lords are called "Darth."
>>63901523
if nostalgia spekas he was a 10/10 but in the development i didn't buy it
>>63903827
Oops, I made a typo, I meant to say I'm setho the faggot.
>>63903706
It's not that he's a bad character.
It's that they thought he would be enough to provide a real villainous presence, and he wasn't. Imagine if they had heavily implied in IV that Vader had second thoughts about his allegiance to the Emperor, it would've messed up the whole trilogy- his redemption would be a lot less exciting, and his villainous persona a lot less believable. I feel like that's what they did with Kylo.
>>63899606
>>63904019
You wanted an exact copy of Darth Vader?
For a movie that has gotten a lot of flak for being too similar to a previous movie. I'm glad who its villain is.
>>63899426
maybe you have no problems fighting after you get shot in the dick, but those of us without a micro penis have a hard time.
>>63904133
what? no
I'm not suggesting they change Kylo's character
Let me try to get the point across another way
Instead of Kylo being presented as the main bad guy, they could've had it be Hux. He would be like a more fleshed out Grand Moff Tarkin, who occasionally gets involved in combat when necessary. By doing this, you give the audience someone to really hate, who is clearly committed to the F.O. cause, without any doubts. He'd replace Kylo in the first scene with the stormtrooper raid and he'd be more involved with the main characters during the finale of the movie.
Meanwhile, you would still have Kylo doing his thing, he just wouldn't be the one involved in many of the pivotal scenes. He'd mostly be seen discussing things with Snoke and attempting to interrogate Poe and Rey. In the end, he would have his same confrontation with Han, but he would be too conflicted to actually kill him, and Hux would end up executing him (Han) personally in an attempt to stop the detonations. This makes us really hate Hux if we didn't already, and then it opens up another potential conflict between Hux and Kylo- when Kylo finally realizes that he belongs on the light side, he'll want revenge on Hux.
>>63903230
Fucktard autist can't get a girlfriend because every time someone disagrees he thinks he has to scold them
>>63898956
wow, how the fuck did he not think to do that
