>villain wears a mask even though he doesn't need to
>super weapon which eats stars
>Knights of Re(va)n
>main character with amnesia who suddenly exhibits force powers after supposedly not showing any previously
Why didn't they just make a KOTOR movie?
Revan wears the mask for a reason.
>>63861340
? the whole catharr slaughter thing seems a bit of a stretch for how long he wore it
>>63861391
The mask also made him an icon. Without it he's just an indistinguishable nobody. That's the reason no one knows who he is in KotOR
>>63861218
>>super weapon which eats stars
When was this ever in KOTOR?
>>63861463
>>63861391
It's pottery, he wore a Mando mask as declaration of vengeance against them.
>>63861444
nobody cared who i was until i put on the mask.
>>63861497
yea.. ?
>>63861218
>>villain wears a mask even though he doesn't need to
People wear headgear in real life
>>super weapon which eats stars
This thing is up in the air, there's a lot to debate with on it in comparison to the Death Star 1 and 2.
>>Knights of Re(va)n
Kasdan has no fucking clue who that is.
>>main character with amnesia who suddenly exhibits force powers after supposedly not showing any previously
You mean like Luke? And she didn't have amnesia, she was just too young to remember well.
>Le Baneposting meme means everyone has to have a reason for wearing a mask or helmet
>>63861931
Luke didn't exhibit any Force powers until trained by Obi Wan and it took him awhile to do anything real with them.
Rey started showing high level force techniques (summoning objects, mind control) 5 minutes after seeing somebody else use them.
>>63861444*she
>>63861218
KOTOR movie would be GOAT
Taris and Dantooine and the fish people planet
>dem sith fighters
>hot ass bastilla
>MANDOLARIANS
Also it was the Star forge that created armies super quickly
>>63861218
I kept wondering whether the allusions to KOTOR were intentional or not.
You forgot:
>trying to find a map for 99% of the film
>>63862025
I can field this perfectly
-Luke may have been exhibiting Force talent all along by being a pilot, like Rey. These people use the Force they are just unaware, kind of like how Ezra was Force jumping even though he wasn't aware he could become a Jedi.
-Rey was aware of Force techniques already as shown, she just didn't think she could do them
-She's introduced to the Force and becomes very aware due to her trial by fire with Kylo during the torture
>High level
Remember that the Force is repaired now, the Light side is no longer being afflicted by the imbalance in the Force and is no longer being attacked by the Sith shrine on Coruscant, the two things that were making the Jedi of the Clone Wars era weak.
And on top of this that she's (apparently) Luke's daughter now too, meaning there's no reason she can't have more potential than he ever did, (even accounting for balance being restored) if not equal at the very least
>>63861218
>master leaves and leaves only droid with its destination
>half the quest is finding the pieces of a fractured star map (seriously this shit is taken directly from KotOR)
>amnesia character (who btw is a grill in both settings) finds the master who left
>>63862264
Why do people say she has amnesia?
She was like 5 years old or something when she was left there, that's not fucking amnesia, that's being 5 years old!
>>63862460
>5 year olds can't remember being in the middle of a jedi massacre
>>63862460
>what are fake memories
>>63862460
there's clearly some shit she barely or doesn't remember, amnesia or no
darth Revan was a mary sue
>>63862511
gary stu* nigger
>>63862491
Who says she was there? Are you taking what she saw as literally her being there?
She saw significant events involving Luke, one was the corridor he fought Vader in.
I don't remember them all but we had
-Knights of Ren seemingly killing people at...Jedi training grounds maybe?
-Bespin corridor
...I can't remember anything else
>>63862511
>character the player literally creates and self inserts themselves into is a gary stu
Gee really? No fucking way
>>63861218
>villain wears a mask even though he doesn't need to
Kylo wore it because he was pretty much insecure without it and he has such an interest in Vader
>>63862259
Still both Anakin and Luke required much more training for us to ever see them using the Force proficiently. He doesn't even use the lightsaber in A New Hope.
This is the only major difference between TFA and ANH, Rey's use of the Force. She's a Mary Sue.
Also, SW Rebels is shit multiculti pandering and shouldn't be accepted as canon. No SW fan asked for this bullshit, the EU was fine the way it was.
Kylo is just a cheap imitation of Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus with literally none of the things that made Jacen/Caedus cool. This is just a half-assed rebranding of the Second Galactic Civil War, with all the cool unique backstory removed. Fuck this movie and fuck you if you liked it.
>>63862259
Also in addition to this I'd like to add that Luke had difficulty believing even after having Ben talk to him and apparently getting all sorts of training before ESB according to the comics.
It's one of the reasons he struggled, Rey may have more faith in herself and the Force on top of all that.
>>63862661
gary/mary stu is /tv/'s favorite meme. its like throwing around fallacies for redditors
>>63862813
Stop with your headcanon faggotry, tumblr, rely on -what we are shown- and nothing more.
What we are shown is that Rey has no idea what the Force or the Jedi are and five minutes after having it explained to her she's more proficient than any other Force user we've seen in that time frame.
You have to be a femanon who leaked in here from pinterest or something
>>63862795
>Rey's use of the Force. She's a Mary Sue.
Nope, again you're ignoring the HUGE plot point of the Force being repaired. That plotline literally takes up 6 films man, I don't see how you can handwave it away like that. It seems ignorant and stupid on your part in the extreme.
>Force is fixed
>Sith shrine is no longer attacking her and all other Jedi across the galaxy 24/7
>Child of Luke Skywalker (Seemingly)
>Strength in the Force can be passe down+We don't know who her mother is meaning both her parents could have been great Jedi
>Has less difficulty believing in herself and what she can do compared to Luke
She benefits from a lot of stuff, sure, but it feels natural. We had 6 films about restoring balance to the Force, it's pretty dumb to bitch that the Force is working, how the fuck else did you think or want it to be explained?
>The Force, it is balanced now. You can't tell but yeah, it is, and it won't look any different in any shape or form but yeah, believe me, it's so fucking balanced. So balanced it has less calories!
C'mon, let go of your mindless hate \
I don't understand why people are so upset he's wearing a mask for no reason.
Why does he wear gloves?
Why does he wear shoes?
Why does anyone wear anything?
guys this is literally confirmed by canon material, see >>63862774
>>63862795
>SW Rebels
SW?
>>63862964
>What we are shown is that Rey has no idea what the Force or the Jedi are and five minutes after having it explained to her she's more proficient than any other Force user we've seen in that time frame.
No, you didn't pay attention.
>She heard the stories
>Obviously heard of the techniques
>Realizes she can use it thanks to Kylo
She's given an aggressive introduction into it, a practical one compared to what Luke did. And whether you like it or not, all of that was canon and surely taken into consideration for the film due to the LSG
>>63862976
>Sith shrine is no longer attacking her and all other Jedi across the galaxy 24/7
How do we know this?
Where in any of the six films do we see this being remedied? We know Force ghosts are a thing, just because Palpy is killed in RotJ doesn't mean he's really gone, and obviously there are other Dark side wielders in the galaxy if Snoke and Kylo even exist. Are you telling me there were no other Dark side wielders but them in the intervening time between Jedi and Awakens?
I guess if you're actually accepting Disney's shit canon you'd technically be right because there's literally NO backstory between RotJ and Awakens without the EU
>Child of Luke Skywalker
And yet, Luke, as a child of Anakin, still didn't have this much ease with the Force as Anakin did, who rose to his immense power even with the Sith shrine active
>Strength in the Force can be passe down+We don't know who her mother is meaning both her parents could have been great Jedi
If Mara Jade existed in this canon and we knew she was Rey's mother you might have a point here.
>Has less difficulty believing in herself and what she can do compared to Luke
So when Luke ignores Yoda's advice in ESB to go fight Vader, thinking that he can save his friends all by himself, that's not him believing in himself? And yet Vader still easily beats him using probably like 1/1000th of his actual power, he doesn't even try. He's just playing with his food. And this is AFTER Luke has spent most of ESB training with Yoda, training which Rey doesn't have at all.
>>63862511
True, but it's more understandable to me considering he's the main character of an RPG.
>>63863157
>How do we know this?
Sith shrine needs Sith in order to function, it died with Palpatine.
>And yet, Luke, as a child of Anakin, still didn't have this much ease with the Force as Anakin did, who rose to his immense power even with the Sith shrine active
We don't know that, we never saw him in a similar situation compared to Rey. He jumped from little kid to someone already trained.
>If Mara Jade existed in this canon and we knew she was Rey's mother you might have a point here.
He was training Jedi, he might have trained some girl and fell in love etc etc.
>So when Luke ignores Yoda's advice in ESB to go fight Vader, thinking that he can save his friends all by himself, that's not him believing in himself?
You missed the whole point. It was about believing in the Force. Remember
>I don't believe it
>That is why you fail
>And yet Vader still easily beats him using probably like 1/1000th of his actual power, he doesn't even try. He's just playing with his food.
No, Vader does have to try with him. If he didn't he wouldn't have gotten hurt. And though I do prefer to look at Vader coolly falling off the platform as though it weren't really an issue and he went with the flow, according to Lucas Vader was bested in that moment since he felt he had to add in that inappropriate "HURGHGHGHGHHGHGG"
You can't look these fights with power level goggles on, you have to look at them like actual sword fights from centuries ago. Sometimes really good swordsmen got killed by newbies because they underestimated them/goofed/anything because LIFE isn't cut and dry
>>63863391
>No, Vader does have to try with him. If he didn't he wouldn't have gotten hurt. And though I do prefer to look at Vader coolly falling off the platform as though it weren't really an issue and he went with the flow, according to Lucas Vader was bested in that moment since he felt he had to add in that inappropriate "HURGHGHGHGHHGHGG"
>You can't look these fights with power level goggles on, you have to look at them like actual sword fights from centuries ago. Sometimes really good swordsmen got killed by newbies because they underestimated them/goofed/anything because LIFE isn't cut and dry
But this completely ignores the fact that Vader was specifically trying not to kill Luke, he only lops his hand off to end the fight.
Go watch that moment and notice the ease with which Vader disarms him. He was just putting the fight to rest, so he could give Luke his spiel about destroying the Emperor and ruling as father and son.
If he were actually trying, he could've just picked Luke up and ground him into paste. He specifically didn't want to kill Luke, because he knew this was his son he was dealing with.
Same thing with Han in the dining room. Vader could've killed them all right there and specifically didn't because he wanted to use them as bait to draw in Luke.
>>63863487
I mean, even prequel-era Anakin was shown to be more powerful than we EVER saw Luke in any of his films. AotC Anakin could've beaten RotJ Luke no problem.
>>63863391
>And yet, Luke, as a child of Anakin, still didn't have this much ease with the Force as Anakin did, who rose to his immense power even with the Sith shrine active
I might have read that too fast, Luke didn't have knowledge about the Force like Rey did.
>Luke
-Ignorant of the Force completely
-Didn't even hear about stories or techniques
-Lacked faith because of this
>Rey
-Heard stories about the Force and Jedi
-Flat out heard about techniques and things they could do
-Probably held childlike wonder and "Oh, I wish I could do that"
-Immense faith once she thinks all the stories are real and feels the Force because of Kylo and begins to read his mind like she heard stories of Jedi doing. She'd probably try other stuff she heard in stories as well if the movie gave her a chance
Luke stumbles into it awkwardly even if he desires excitement and adventure but holds fear/disblief still, where as Rey has always wanted it and charges into the Force aspect upon feeling it. Rey is like that little girl that wishes magic was real and suddenly it is. You might want to label that a lot of things, but the universe itself already set it up perfectly and didn't have to twist an arm to make anything buy it if you are aware of the universe and its lore.
I think these are valid views on her in comparison to Luke at least.
>>63863487
>Go watch that moment and notice the ease with which Vader disarms him. He was just putting the fight to rest
Luke was warn down, if Vader could have disabled him at the start he would have
WE KNOW FOR A FACT HE COULDN'T
He tried to put him in carbonite, HE FAILED, DARTH VADER FAILED, and he even tells you so that you are aware...
HE IS IMPRESSED
>>63863661
>worn
>>63863661
B-buh Vader was just joking about the carbonite
He let Luke get out of it because uh...reasons you don't understand. He said he was impressed because he wanted his kid to feel better!
>>63863529
Anakin in Ep 3 before his dark side conversion was the strongest force user in the universe I think at the time. I think he could have legitimately beaten anyone if he hadn't gotten so consumed by power
There any torrents up for this? I'm surprised it's not on TPB yet
>>63863661
>Get in the carbonite
>No!
>Boy, get in the carbonite
>No! I don't want to!
>You best get in that carbonite right fucking now
>NO! You can't make me, you're not my dad!
>About that...
>tfaconceptart.jpg
>>63863834
I'm pretty shocked I haven't found any either, well there was ONE that had only the audio but fuck that. I want to rewatch this in glorious 24p right now, I already gave them money...what more do they want from me!?
>>63863959
>Bastila suddenly assaulted with visions of her being fucked by Revan
Awkward...
>>63863627
But by the end of ANH, Luke is well-aware of the Force and already has Obi-Wan speaking to him from beyond the grave.
This is how he lands the fatal shot on the Death Star exhaust port, he takes Obi-Wan's advice and trusts in the Force to help him take the shot without his targeting computer.
Then, by the time of ESB, he has been practicing and goes to train with Yoda, yet still isn't as powerful as Rey is in the span of minutes in Force Awakens. This is the point I'm really trying to make. Having faith beforehand and trusting in it for a few minutes shouldn't make you more powerful than literally months of experience, witnessing and using the Force first hand and training with one of the most powerful Jedi Masters ever.
>>63863999
>24p
kek
>>63863999
ha, idgaf about quality I just want to see it now to get the story and watch it on dvd later without having to go to the movies
i live out in the middle of nowhere and i'm a lazy piece of shit it's too much work to go to the movies
>>63864036
>But by the end of ANH, Luke is well-aware of the Force and already has Obi-Wan speaking to him from beyond the grave.
>This is how he lands the fatal shot on the Death Star exhaust port, he takes Obi-Wan's advice and trusts in the Force to help him take the shot without his targeting computer.
This is Ben holding his hand though, or the equivalent. He's able to trust in Ben in that moment also he already did these things, remember? Bullseye whomp-rate? Pretty similar at least.
Rey is a wiki of Force techniques from all the stories she's read/seen. Which is how she was able to try those out.
>Then, by the time of ESB, he has been practicing and goes to train with Yoda, yet still isn't as powerful as Rey is in the span of minutes in Force Awakens.
Balance was restored to the Force, remember?
Luke was
-Born into a wounded Force spectrum if you want to call it that
-Practiced within that spectrum.
Rey is neither, we seemingly now know what effects those have on you+plus good heritage and maybe +childlike wonder and fascination+fangirling...??
>>63861340
Enlighten us, why does he wear the mask?
>>63864198
Rey thought it was all a myth, just like Luke would have in ANH.
>>63864343
>Rey thought it was all a myth
Then she experienced it first hand via trial by fire, her circumstances were not the same as Luke's.
After realizing it was real she was free to try out different techniques she had seen/read. That combined with her other circumstances gives you Rey, just take it like you saw it. It all makes sense.
>>63864198
>Balance was restored to the Force, remember?
Right, that's why by the time of TFA Luke is in hiding, the New Jedi Order has been destroyed, and there's a new Sith Apprentice running around.
Just stop. The whole point of the rise and fall of the New Jedi Order and the Second Galactic Civil War is that the balance was only restored for a brief period of time if at all. This is a shitty cop-out answer for Rey's inexplicable mary sue power level
>actually used the word fangirling unironically
Confirmed here from tumblr to defend your mary sue, KYS
>>63864619
>Right, that's why by the time of TFA Luke is in hiding, the New Jedi Order has been destroyed, and there's a new Sith Apprentice running around.
The Sith are dead and gone forever, JJ told us there are no Sith in the film. Just darksiders.
The prophecy says the Sith are destroyed explicitly.
>>63861463
The Star Forge was powered by a sun.
>>63864619
>Refusing to take TFA as canon despite this thread explaining it all for you
You sound retarded
>>63864710
>>63864752
>Jew Jew said it so it must be true
>the prophecy says the Sith are destroyed
Then why are the new "not Sith" such a problem that they destroy Luke's Jedi temple and send them into hiding?
If JJ's own proposed canon directly contradicts itself it's not a canon at all, it's just him being the hack that he is
This whole thing is just a lazy re-imagining of things put forward in the EU anyway. Kylo is a cheap imitation of Jacen Solo/Caedus, Rey is Jaina with different parents, the First Order is just a mash-up of the various post-RotJ imperial factions and the Resistance only exists because the New Republic is arbitrarily destroyed by blowing up a couple planets in a five-minute scene at the beginning
It's the EU story with all the nuance and everything that made it interesting abolished.
>>63864892
>Then why are the new "not Sith" such a problem that they destroy Luke's Jedi temple and send them into hiding?
What does Sith have to do with that?
Jedi were never immortal, anon.
Snoke was alive during the other films as Serkis mentioned, he saw what was going down and when Palpatine died he started up his own cult in secret. He then went and assassinated Luke's Jedi academy suddenly. Sure it's kinda shitty that the Republic didn't have like 40 ships stationed around the planet 24/7...but since when has any government truly been intelligent?
>>63865109
Luke's academy/whatever was betrayed from within as well.
>>63865109
See, this is the convenience (for JJ and Disney) of abolishing the EU, it allows them to depict the New Republic however they like
EU New Republic seized a lot of Imperial tech, accepted hundreds of systems with anti-Imperial sentiment and essentially became a light-side Empire, but for the purposes of TFA they're depicted as being no bigger or stronger than the Rebellion.
So the NR is localized on the one system the First Order destroys with the Not Death Star III, so they can get right into the "First Order vs rag-tag Resistance" nonsense.
Again, it's basically just an oversimplification of things established in the EU
>>63865109
>>63865202
It just completely erases all the anti-Imperial sentiment spread across the galaxy. The defeat of the Empire at Endor signalled to those systems that it was now safer to come out and openly support the Rebellion
Whereas Disney canon makes it seem like a WWII "Japan gets nuked" kind of thing, so that they can have the Empire be completely defeated at the Battle of Jakku right after Jedi, so they can sell their shitty Battlefield-clone game.
>>63865202
>EU New Republic seized a lot of Imperial tech, accepted hundreds of systems with anti-Imperial sentiment and essentially became a light-side Empire, but for the purposes of TFA they're depicted as being no bigger or stronger than the Rebellion.
Nope.
The Republic controls most of the galaxy, it's just that the senate voted not to continue war with the remnants (first order) and cost more lives. They ceded territory to the FO and have allowed them to live in it.
Some members of the senate don't agree with the majority ruling, so they support the Resistance illegally from the shadows.
>>63865202
The New Republic only being set in one system makes no sense. From what I gathered from TFA, the NR lost its capital planet. It'd be like the USA losing Washington DC and the surrounding territory. Sure, the initial blow is devastating, but recovery probably won't take that long.
>>63865473
You're not viewing this correctly.
It's more like different countries occupying the same continent. One is large, NR, and the other small, FO.
Government said they didn't want to fight anymore for that last bit of land since they knew they would dig in and start doing tons of terrorist attacks most likely.
Resistance are people in the NR that don't agree and fight with some help from certain people in the government. They "lose" shipments of medical supplies and other various things that wind up in the hands of the Resistance so that the NR can maintain face and uphold the treaty that they made with the FO, and so that civil war within the NR doesn't break out.