Earlier today, the Pope Francis issued an emergency papal address concerning the recent release of Star Wars: The Force Awakens
>"Jesus Christ, I can't fucking believe you Protestant heretics actually like this confused and blurred hunk of shit. Not even Turkish Star Wars was this fucking derivative. At least the prequels weren't just fucking rehashes trying to sell solely based on the nostalgia of manchildren. And Han's son's name is Jacen, you illiterate fucks."
>>63824857
a glib facsimile
>>63824857
>At least the prequels weren't just fucking rehashes trying to sell solely based on the nostalgia of manchildren.
Except that that's exactly what they were. At least VII had new characters.
>>63824857
a glib facsimile
>>63824857
Actually the Vatican's newspaper review fucking tears it apart. It's straight up Armond White-esque.
>>63824921
Hol up, they watch movies in the vatican?
>>63824905
>Except that that's exactly what they were.
No they weren't. One of the biggest complaints against them was about how different they were from the original trilogy in their tone and themes.
>>63824857
Jacen solo was the worst fucking character in canon anon.
He needed to go, and everything about him needed to go.
>>63824975
>Kylo Ren is the worst fucking character in canon anon.
ftfy
I do like how appointing a spic as pope made most of Europe realize that Catholicism was merely a form of controlled opposition invented by Schlomo.
>>63824963
The Plinkett reviews are almost entirely dedicated to the dumb coincidences (Anakin building C3PO) and callbacks
>>63825102
callbacks=/=rehash
even the Vatican's review understood the difference in the prequel's poetry and TFA's blatant mimicry
>>63825157
You mean the mimicry of Episode VI with its second death star and implausible family relations reveal? Or the mimicry of Anakin losing his hand in the second film? Or the mimicry Joseph Campbell imparted to an impressionable young Lucas?
>>63824961
Yeah, they have Vatican's top movies and everything
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican's_list_of_films
>>63825314
>You mean the mimicry of Episode VI with its second death star and implausible family relations reveal? Or the mimicry of Anakin losing his hand in the second film?
None of these make either film a rehash of any of the others. One thing you can say about each Star Wars film, including the prequels, is that they each felt unique in a way and didn't limit themselves to just trying to recreate the feel of the others, while TFA is just trying to copy ANH as much as it can get away with in order to capitalize on people who just want to relive that "feeling" of seeing Star Wars for the first time, when they'd probably relive that feeling even better if they had just released the original Star Wars in theaters again.
>>63824921
Please source.
>>63825424
No, this is bullshit. Star Wars is born out of a synthesization of various myths and folkloric tales. It's the monomyth. It's a rehash of all stories. But even keeping it within the franchise, the film constantly borrows from itself. It's cyclical, hence the "it rhymes" meme. The franchise has always been chock-full of reoccurring themes, odd coincidences, and implausible connections between every character. The fact that A New Hope would happen again in this world makes sense. Also, what else would the bad guys do other than try to use giant weapons to take over the galaxy? It seems like something that would organically reoccur.
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>>63825593
>Star Wars is born out of a synthesization of various myths and folkloric tales. It's the monomyth. It's a rehash of all stories
I'm sorry you're too fucking stupid or committed to defending your shitty movie that you don't know the difference between paying homage and a "rehash"
rehash is a pejorative term used to refer to something that resigns itself to simply copying the elements and tropes of something else while bringing nothing original to the mix other than superficial changes.
You can't say that for any of the prequels, which for all their callbacks and trivia, tried to bring something new that made each film feel more of a stand alone film in their own right in the same way that each original film which explores a different set of ideas and concepts. Episode VI may have used a new Death Star, but the Death Star itself was more of a plot device this time to set up Luke's meeting with the Emperor and final duel with his father, which was the real climax of the movie and is something very absent from the more campy and less dark New Hope where the climax was the destruction of the Death Star, which in a way was the big bad of that film. Likewise, in the prequels, Episode 1 stands out from all the Star Wars movies in the type of story it tries to tell, its tone and atmosphere and even it's design, which are all different from the other prequels.
>>63825518
I'm translating:
>Confusing and unfocused
>the film's only merit is to prove how well-balanced and ellegant the original movies were
>more a reboot than a sequel, it's not even a stylish one, like Batman Begins, but an update that bends over to the latest trends in vogue with an attention-deprived audience
>efficient action sequences are marred by unnecessary dynamism and the abuse of close up shots gradually corrodes the strength of the characters and the the epic scale of the movie
>the so much hyped "going back to real locations" doesn't bring anything to the table; they lack any defining characteristic or add any dramatic value
>>63825951
sounds pretty well thought out
>>63825823
The difference between "homage" and "rehash" is simply how successful the work is in and of itself despite the references. They're synonyms. Episode IV taking from various myths doesn't make it any less derivative in that regard. Hell, even Shakespeare rarely told his own story; most of his plays were based on Holinshed's Chronicles or various stories that his audience would have been familiar with. That's what culture is, and Episode IV is part of our collective culture.
>but the Death Star itself was more of a plot device this time to set up Luke's meeting with the Emperor and final duel with his father,
So you excuse the rehash because it allowed for a more interesting story arc to complete, but you don't allow Episode VII that same leeway to setup the confrontation between Kylo Ren and Han. A double standard made possible by blinding nostalgia.
>Episode 1 stands out from all the Star Wars movies in the type of story it tries to tell, its tone and atmosphere and even it's design, which are all different from the other prequels.
These aren't qualities in its favor. Being dissimilar to other films doesn't automatically improve the dialogue or the acting.
>>63825951
>the abuse of close up shots
Pleb. I bet he can't even handle von Trier's framing.
>>63825593
You are confusing rehash with "homage"
>>63826194
Homage is simply a well-done rehash.
>>63826180
Pleb. He deems the framing unfitting for the kind of story it's narrating.
>>63826137
>The difference between "homage" and "rehash" is simply how successful the work is in and of itself despite the references. They're synonyms.
No, you dumbfuck. You're just trying to change the meanings and implications of words around to suit your argument. There's a reason people use rehash in the negative and homage in the positive.
Rehash is negative because it implies that one is simply refixing something old, usually with the intention of presenting it as original when it isn't.
Homage is used positively for a references that is honest and clever and not used as a substitute for original ideas.
>So you excuse the rehash because it allowed for a more interesting story arc to complete, but you don't allow Episode VII that same leeway to setup the confrontation between Kylo Ren and Han. A double standard made possible by blinding nostalgia.
There's a huge fucking difference. Episode VI brings in a new death star without just repeating the same the same plot of ANH. There's a reason why people aren't accusing TFA of just rehashing Return of the Jedi and focusing specifically on its supposed rehashing of ANH, because the plot outline, the tone, and the themes are more identical to ANH than ROTJ was with the same characters. ROTJ follows its own set of ideas and is a very different story than that which is told in ANH. TFA just copies ANH and hopes nobody notices that they've seen this movie before or that nobody cares because plays the right keys.
>These aren't qualities in its favor.
Only if you don't value originality in film making as something important, which it seems you don't. But your argument was that the prequels were just rehashes themselves, but here you are basically admitting the point that they aren't.
It seems to me you accept that TFA is a rehash, but just like it and will call TPM, AOTC and ROTS rehashes for the most miniscule reasons to get people off the film you like's back.
Fuck you
>>63824961
Probably. They also use alot of drugs and watch porn. I didn't actually make this up
>>63824975
Kylo is the exact same character they just changed the name so that they could go what a tweest, you thought we wouldn't do another i am you father moment and yet haha
