Sicario thread.
Thought it was great.
I liked it but blunt's character had zero ground to stand on and I don't get who would actually sympathize with her point of view. Who watches this movie with as naive of a mindset as her character has? Why does she act so petulantly? There is plenty of logical shit for her character to get upset about but she only cares about "muh procedure"
It was fun watching cartel get fucking rekt tho, I liked how it showed how one sided of a fight it would be if the US actually gave a shit about the border.
>>63823873
I thought Blunt's character was great!
Think about it, she was the total opposite of a Mary-sue, in fact... she behaved exactly how a woman in her situation would... she complained a lot, didn't get the big picture, and even accepts at the end that this war is too tough for her!
I would rather have that then some unrealistic female super soldier type that hollywood seems so desperate to force down everyone's throats these days.
>>63824055
She was still a non-character. She should have just been a straight up window for the viewer rather than almost having half assed opinions. I don't enjoy depictions of women being weak idiots regardless of how realistic it is or isn't, because it isn't enjoyable to watch to me. She shouldn't have been a super soldier, I'm just asking that she be a little bit more sympathetic in her wet-blanket-ness, cause she was written like she with a fucking middle-school understanding of politics. There are plenty of valid complaints for her to have too "you put our lives at risk just so you could use us as a beuracratic liscense to do shady shit" should have been #1 on her list of grievances, but instead she seemed more concerned with other shit that she had trouble articulating.
>>63824055
>women rejected me in highschool so I hate them: the post
>>63823873
Beause she's from a tactical unit where operations are planned and executed with meticulous detail and everyone is made aware of the facts and can trust each other.
Then on her first day on the job with the new guys she gets dumped in another country and nearly shot in the back of the head because everyone just decided to hop out of the cars and give up their perimeter security to light up the burrito vans to either side of them in full view of the public like a bunch of uncoordinated savage retards.
>>63824055
>>63823873
>there are people unironically siding with the titular sicario
This was literally Zero Dark Thirty: Mexico. I have no clue how you could come away from it thinking otherwise
Great movie, though the face to face confrontation kind of stood out like a sore thumb, and it never seems to address the comodification of family that's so pervasive in the world it's exploring
How come Emily Blunt doesn't get the Feminist Praise like Furiosa did? She's a strong, independent woman who actually kicks ass and is the voice of reason without being a mary sue
I don't get it
>>63824336
She was a fish out of water, That's the point of her character.
>>63822989
One of my favourites, but it's nowhere near a perfect film. I feel it jumped the shark towards the end, when Del Toro becomes The Ultimate Operator
>>63824533
Because autists only cared about the mad max label.
>>63824336
I see where you're coming from, but consider that the existence of her character is a vessel meant for deconstruction in the kafkaesque and odious world of the border. It's fair to dislike her for her lack of presence, but I feel that this choice was meant to serve as a rorschach test for the viewers own hazy view of the dark world that the special forces team descends into. That is to say, that this world is an aggregate of twisted motivations beyond moralistic understanding.
>>63824562
That doesn't respond my question
>>63824533
Because nobody told them to
>>63824611
this tbqhiircfamjam
>>63824559
He had sattelite view though
why didn't she shoot him?
>>63824533
Because she does get her ass kicked a vast majority of times.
>>63824657
Because that would solve nothing.
>>63824654
I know but, still... The whole movie is a series of operations between marines and special forces and Del Toro, so it didn't made much sense to me that he did all that at the last part of the movie by himself
>>63824559
This. I mean his competency was never in question, but the sit down at the dinner table with the little expository speech and the first-standoffish-then-fearful arch enemy felt like the climax from a luc besson popcorn revenge movie instead of the tense, methodical thriller that preceded it
>tfw Blade Runner 2 is in good hands
>>63822989
a glib facsimile
>>63824691
He wanted to make whatshisnuts beaner feel the pain that he put del Toro through. Personally.
>>63824681
>>63824681
she could have gotten her signed confession back
>>63824691
It wasn't suppose to be an official operation. It was literally a payback. They CIA could lend him a hand, but wouldn't risk other agents because that might cause trouble in case SHTF
>it basically turned into a popcorn action flick at the end with Del Toro killing 50 people single handedly to get revenge for his wife and daughter.
That was almost as bad as the last hour of Prisoners. Why can't this guy just make a good, consistent movie?
>>63824760
She could just as easily reveal she was forced to sign under duress if she wants to be the whistle blower
>>63824806
This is not the case.
If all it was was a payback there's no way all those people would have been involved in the first place.
Benicio gets his own operator movie when
>>63824760
And have to deal with the corpse of a high ranking FBI official who probably left a note of where he was going and what he was "doing"?
I don't think so. She's not smart enough for that.
And if we want to go into moralistic reasons (which I believe suit her character to some degree), then I propose that she may have relented out of some desire to cease the bloodshed after being surrounded by it for the whole movie. But this notion is intensively personal; the violence will continue regardless, as is evident in the final scene.
>>63824814
>50 people
You mean nine people who literally at no point knew he was there? What are you talking about
>>63822989
>dat scene with the soldiers moving through the sunset
Screw the convoy scene this shit was way better.
>>63824913
That sunset scene and the following night vision action sequence built up suspense to a level that I haven't seen a movie do in a long time.
>>63824887
>Del Toro
>high ranking FBI official
Did you even watch the fucking movie
>>63824601
I guess I came it to it with more foreknowledge than other people have, I already knew how fucked that region is and why. Your post actually makes me appreciate her character/the movie more.
regardless I literally can't wait to see what Villeneuve comes out with next, which I haven't thought about a director in a long time. He really straddles that line of realism and cinematic elevation well.
>>63822989
From the trailer I thought it would be an over the top stupid action movie with a progressive protag.
I thought the scene where they crash their van through a house was where they recruit Del Toro
>>63824872
They were involved under the guise of another operation, but weren't physically there when he took down the leader
>>63824988
His next movie is a scifi story where a bunch of aliens visit Earth and language specialists try to decript their written and spoken language.
>>63824962
CIA* Maybe you're right, I mean, he's only the right hand to the fucking department of defense representative. Like, literally who?
Cunt.
>>63824876
Today is your lucky day anon
http://variety.com/2015/film/box-office/sicario-sequel-benicio-del-toro-lionsgate-1201599035/
>>63825020
They were exploiting him anon
>>63824902
What's the difference?
>>63825049
>he's CIA
either you didn't watch the movie or you didn't pay attention to a goddamn thing
>>63822989
I also loved it. well paced. the action felt realistic.
GOAT Cinematography
GOAT soundtrack
MOTY
>>63825062
Whatever gets the job done. Plus it was beneficial (for a lack of a better word) for both CIA and Del Toro
>>63824950
For a moment I thought I was watching a Rainbow Six movie
Also
>the built up suspense to a level that I haven't seen in a movie do in a long time
That was all the movie for me. The whole Convoy sequence is probably one of my favourite scenes in a movie this year.
wheres the torrent
![Sicario.2015.1080p.BluRay.x264-SPARKS.mkv_snapshot_01.26.53_[2015.12.19_15.28.29].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CzM3mOx.jpg "Sicario.2015.1080p.BluRay.x264-SPARKS.mkv_snapshot_01.26.53_[2015.12.19_15.28.29].jpg")
This is not a post processing filter, these scenes were shot using real IR cameras. I think it's neat.
>>63825100
To be fair, the fact he suddenly becomes a tactical killing machine and the fastest gun in the West in the last half hour might have confused people.
>>63825100
>right hand
>almost always together
>assists in composing CIA operations
>his final scene where he has Blunt sign the sketchy report
Golly gee I have the weirdest feeling that they just might be involved together somehow. Use some common sense, you fucking pickaninny.
>>63825211
Fuck, are you serioius? this is really cool
Pretty good overall, but have to agree that Macer dragged the film down. She was very clearly a 1.5 dimensional naive character meant to appeal to more casual film goers who need super unrealistic melodramatic things like a by-the-book rookie punching her boss in the face, and having to be told to live in a small town where law enforcement is black and white.
So all that was a little plebby, the the film otherwise did a pretty good job with its subject matter and story, Brolin was very good, and Del Toro was great.
>>63825208
>the convoy soundtrack
Mmmmmmm.
I wish it had more Dod in there
[Spoiler]"I'M GETTING A BONER!"[Spoiler]
>>63825048
Not, the other guy you're talking to, but that sounds pretty badass.
>>63824657
She knew he was right, that their unorthodox methods were better to use against the cartel, and he was confident she knew that, which is why he just stood there.
>>63825316
I liked this guy, I cheered when he started operating
>those clean ass four shots four kills
>>63824713
>Polytechnique
>Enemy
>This
Feels like hope.
>>63825048
That sounds very interesting and different.
>>63825457
That's the blade runner sequel.
>>63825232
You are awful at inferring meaning from film and dialogue and it is best you just stop
>>63825288
Really? Because I thought the consistent undermining of the protagonist from start to finish would definitely have less pleb appeal than the movie's hard left turn into an instant gratification revenge thriller for 10 minutes, before going back to serious mode
>>63825493
Really? I can't find any real facts about it.
I liked it
You liked it
He liked it
It's good
>>63825348
I didn't get that at all
That was her resisting the all-too-easy-to-fall-into trap that has consumed him and everyone in contact with the cartels
It felt like that was the whole point of the movie to me
>>63825493
u wot m8?
>>63825605
Yeah
Seriously
Starring Ryan gosling
Couldnt fucking stand this corny ass dude, literally ruined every scene he was in. Talk about fucking 3rd wheels.
>>63825597
Isn't it great? Its like an eclipse when this shit lines up.
>>63825497
>Nyerrherherherher you didnt watch the movie like i did, thats right, ME! The one who watched the movie that you didn't!
You're awful at shitposting on /tv/ somehow, which is a talent in and of itself.
>>63825654
Ah christ I forgot about him.
Pretty much my only real problem with the movie. At least Blunt's insignificance to the overall plot developed theme.
>>63825662
You're literally getting clearly stated facts wrong anon
It's like reading comprehension only minus reading so I genuinely don't get how it's possible to fuck up this bad
This doesn't even touch on subjective interpretations of ambiguous themes or whatever the fuck you're trying to greentext your way out of, shit is plain as day and some how you drew two completely fucking fabricated conclusions from it
>>63825636
Gosling is a great choice. Not sure I understand adding aliums but I think that's probably the point.
>>63825743
It's like a feel-bad Raiders of the Lost Arc
CIA guys did nothing wrong, I don't get why she is such a bitch about it.
>>63822989
>Luc Besson's Zero Dark Thirty
>>63824422
>
Then on her first day on the job with the new guys she gets dumped in another country and nearly shot in the back of the head because everyone just decided to hop out of the cars and give up their perimeter security to light up the burrito vans to either side of them in full view of the public like a bunch of uncoordinated savage retards.
Did you miss the last ten years?
Dis how the military rolls in hostile territory.
>Villenueve works with THE GOOSE
> he has also worked with based Gyllenhaal
>implying he wouldn't be the best choice to direct a sequel to drive, where Gyllenhaal plays the antagonist
>Films women will never understand
>>63825827
I'm not sure I understand your definition of nothing wrong
The movie doesn't spend all those scenes personifying that cop and his son for nothing
>>63825854
Doesn't Josh Brolin say something to that effect in the aftermath?
>>63825907
shhhhh let the trumpposter be
>>63825853
Although I see what you're getting at, if it were really going for the full Besson, Del Toro and Blunt would have swapped parts. As it stands, the takedown was the only Bessonesque part
>>63825560
Tel Toro killing the family was more realistic than the "If i do this, i'm no better then you" trope
>>63824657
Cuz she's an idealistic cop to the very end. She can't shoot someone unarmed and murder them in cold blood. She's not a wolf
>benicio goes up to the cartel guy after he pulls him over
>says "wow, that really is a sick car yo"
BRAVO VILLENEUVE
R
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V
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"And the Oscar for Smarmiest Actor in a Supporting Role goes to..."
>>63826157
>Them flip flops
>>63825208
>For a moment I thought I was watching a Rainbow Six movie
>tfw a Rainbow Six movie will never be this good
sad feels
>>63825560
Yeah this, she was in the movie to show how completely out of your league you are if you think like that and how you basically have no way of surviving
If she magically saves the day because of her idealism I can see the pleb appeal of that
>>63826100
literally dropped my folder into the recycle bin
what was the deal with the one guy they imprisoned?
was he being forced to suck del toros dick or was it just the beginning of the waterboarding?
>>63826255
pretty sure it was waterboarding
>>63826255
No hable ingles
>>63826285
We don't know that, maybe del Toro needed his dick sucked
>>63825560
>consistent undermining of the protagonist
I think that's a generous way to put it. She just felt very much like a "movie character" in an otherwise seemingly more realistic movie. It didn't feel genuine for a legit FBI agent to be so surprised again and again at how ugly and ambiguous fighting cartels is. Her character and reactions were too simplistic and verging on cliched/predictable. Punching her boss was just stupid. That's straight "this is clearly a movie and not real" type of shit.
And none of that is necessary. The film didn't need an unrealistic naive/idealist main character to achieve any of its goals. If the character was meant to help contrast strict law enforcement/morality with the more ambiguous, dirty way of dealing with cartels, they could've figured out a better way to do that than use a lame main character.
I suppose you could say parts of the ending action were "plebby," but they were also simply a part of the entirety of the operations the film was trying to show. Sometimes, an operative will invade a compound and shoot a "jefe" and his family. It's part of this new type of law enforcement.
But overall, good movie still.
>>63826300
But anon that's just part of the narrative subversion
>>63826255
Well they joked about how it was mean to already fill the guy's stomach with water so I assumed it was waterboarding
blunt's character should have been male
it was just kinda boring ,the point it was trying to make fell flat
>>63825654
It was so awkward.
Like a guy showing up to a party where no one wants you.
>>63825654
was he gay?
>>63822989
best movie this year desu senpai
>>63825604
Maybe that's part of why she didn't shoot. I think using unconventional methods to fight cartels and trying to avoid endless cycles of revenge are both important to the movie.
>>63826300
Her character felt like a time traveler from the 60's.
Or a film made in the pre-internet age
To be fair, the script was written several years ago.
>>63825176
This scene was so cool. It's like a modern day western, wherein Deakin normally sines, but instead of a 10 gallon hats in their silhouettes as they go off into the night, it's night-vision specs. Very cool
>>63826375
To what end? How do you think that would make it less boring?
>>63826467
Yeah when I said "I didn't get that at all" I meant I did not share the point of view of the anon I was quoting, I didn't think she felt del Toro was right in the least.
I agree with your interpretation
>>63826615
her being a women blew all reality out the window
if it was more grounded it might have been able to draw me in more
it was nothing new, but very well shot and the music was brilliant. that 360 with the guys playing handball or whatever was glorious.
actors all just phoned it in desu.
>>63826829
I respectfully assert that it's merits held stronger value in my eyes but acknowledge that peoples tastes differ and yours are no lesser than mine.
Have a good day senpai
>>63825662
He was from the Medellín Cartel (Colombian rival to the mexican cartel) not CIA or FBI. He's working along side them cause the yanks figure it's better that one cartel runs the show with US support rather then multiple warring cartels fucking up the region. It's explicitly stated you fucking moron.
>>63823873
>Who watches this movie with as naive of a mindset as her character has?
The average person actually man. People are naive as fuck. Just because violence doesn't shock you, doesn't mean it doesn't shock most.
>>63824336
>She should have just been a straight up window for the viewer rather than almost having half assed opinions
That's what she represents. The viewer, whom is assumed to be as idealistic and liberal minded as she is portrayed in the movie.
>>63824533
>She's a strong, independent woman
and she's fucking manipulated and downtrodden the entire film
>>63824691
>operations between marines and special forces and Del Toro
Spooks and CAG actually
>>63825751
this
>>63826954
The only thing that was specifically stated was that he used to be a lawyer before the mexican cartel killed his family you fucking third stage neurosyphilletic.
The notion that he is on the colombian payroll is pure speculation (It's Josh Brolin who brings up the colombian influence after the tunnel raid, and do you think he really gives a shit about del Toros motivation?), and the fact that he's solely revenge driven means that the idea that he hasa lottaloyaltyfor a hired gunto the cartel is asinine.
Find me one fucking quote that proves that he's on anybody elses payroll but the CIA.
>>63825854
that's the thing. she's not military, and suddenly is thrown into a war zone, where her everyday rules don't apply.
>BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
>>63825316
that's what you get, when you model a character after THE operator sgt Mike Vinig.
a fucking cool character.
>>63825493
nah, it's his next movie, Story of Your Life. he's doing blade runner next.
>>63822989
it was a good film but a bit over the top towards the end with benisio going rambo.
>>63827459
the fuck are you on about? he explicitly tells her that "he goes where he's sent" and that he was sent by some colombian cartel
seeing this in the cinema was fucking GOAT
the atmosphere and the sound at that level was great the BRRMMMMMMMMMMMM was fantastic
>>63828737
>those fucking gunshots
>>63828773
yeh some of the best gunshots ive heard in a film, the one thing that tickled my /k/ was thetunnel fight, all those gunshots and not a lick of ear protectors in sight
>>63828737
>BRRMMMMMMMMMMMM was fantastic
too bad the audio in rip is a bit shit so you cant properly enjoy the BRRRMMMM
>>63829016
I thought the audio is fine on the 1080 rip
>>63827618
whta is brmmmmm ?
>>63828737
yeah, the buildup for the action scenes was incredible
>>63829110
i cant describe the pacing of this film, its almost perfect, the whole film builds and builds and the climax keeps you hooked
>>63829102
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN9gcEZMZO8
Blunt was great in it, can't think of a better female performance this year. Haven't seen Carol though.
This movie made me feel powerless and unimportant. Good.
Is there a non cam torrent yet? Been waiting a long time
>>63829431
Sicario 2015 1080p BluRay x264-SPARKS
yup
8gb
>>63829046
everything except the dialogue was fine on the sparks rip. no subs either so I missed a fair amount.
>>63829352
she has one expression on her face for the whole movie. as did benicio and brolin. deakins bringing the meme desert cinematography as usual. it is solid 7/10 but nothing more.
>>63829604
subs are here https://www.podnapisi.net/subtitles/en-sicario-2015/Z9g-
>they watched a shitty 1080p rip
Do you even care about quality at all YIFIfags?
>Sicario.2015.1080p.BluRay.x264.TrueHD.7.1.Atmos-RARBG
>8733x1920
bump
can't let this thread die
desu why did they attack the tunnel? why not just drone-tail the dude to that villa and raid it?
>>63831840
Because following the dude wasn't part of the plan, the attack on the tunnel was a diversionary tactic so that Blunt wouldn't figure out what was actually happening.
