Can we agree TFA made lightsabers cool again?
They really seemed to have weight to them like they could seriously fuck your shit up, so when characters pulled them out you felt like shit was actually about to get real.
Even when this goofball ignited one, he looked like he could do some damage with it.
Never got that feeling with the prequels and I'm not sure why. I guess because there were too many of them or maybe they were just used too often.
>>63793964
the marketing already made them cool again just by spamming us with adverts
the actual saber fights in TFA were glib facsimiles - the best only had one lightsaber user.
>>63793964
I doubt it, prequel kids in /tv/ are now complaining about the lightsabers having any weight to them.
>and I'm not sure why
Be a use your opinion is adopted and not your own you fucking copy paste ape
>>63793964
>blade made of light
>have weight
but it is retarded, the entire point is that they have no weight
>>63793993
It's a fucking stupid idea.
Why would a blade made of light have any weight?
>>63794051
It has mass therefore it must have weight.
>>63794035
It's plasma not light, the stuff stars are made of.
They were originally supposed to be really fucking heavy rather than the other way around, which is why the Ben vs Vader fight looks so weird.
>>63794093
>light has mass
>>63793993
Thats just /tv/ being contrarian like usual
>>63794093
>>63794097
No you dumb bitches.
It's pure energy.
Does a lightbulb become heavier when you turn it on?
Does your phone suddenly become twice as heavy when you wake it up?
>>63794187
It's not made of electricity you knob.
Do you even know what energy is?
>>63794249
Explain to me how energy has weight.
>>63794143
Lightsaber collide with one another and impact with other objects. They must have mass.
>>63794354
No they fucking don't if they are light.
>>63793964
Did they actually photoshop John Booga's face here to make him look like more of an acceptable negroid specemin?
>>63794293
e=mc^2
m = e/c^2
therefore lightsaber which slowly moves at 1 m/s and can burn through steel has mass of few hundred tons at least you retard
>>63794354
>lightsabers collide
>must have mass
Nigger when you put two positive magnets together they push each other away.
The magnetic field is coming from the magnet, or in the case of a lightsaber, the hilt.
The blades don't need mass to repel each other.
>>63794293
Explain to me what the fuck you think energy is
I still cant understand how can somones upper lip be bigger than a lower one...
>>63794393
>implying mass is the same thing as weight
B8 detected.
>>63794376
Good thing they aren't light then but plasma.
>>63794424
They don't repeal one another, they hit each other.
Also you can see the sabers interacting with different objects in different ways. When they are cutting metal they do it much slowly.
>>63794473
>light saber
>not light
Hello reddit.
>>63793964
same thing with blasters, they actually felt like they had punch to them. Blasters in the prequels felt like turning on a flashlight
Except for the fact they introduced some stormtrooper gear that can stop the sabers, so yea, I guess they are less threatening than ever, specially considering everyone who uses them in the movie are not even trained.
Any Jedi in the OT, or PT would wreck the ones in TFA, even fucking Coleman.
>>63794480
Of course, because they're fucking lasers.
They don't have infinite lower, so some shit will be harder to cut.
>>63794514
>Kylo isnt trained meme
>>63794514
I would love to see RoTS Anakin take on Kylo Ren.
>>63793964
I don't k own. I wouldn't want to fuck with prequel level Jedi. TFA had Finn hit a super Sith?
>>63794354
>magnetic fields collide with one another and impact objects
>they must have mass
hurr
>>63794051
maybe the fucking thing generating the fucking light blade has weight
>>63794035
If we're following this line of logic how can light sabers even block each other
>>63794545
>>63794580
A metal hilt that generates a laser has weight?
Color me surprised.
>>63793964
I liked that. There were only two of them in the movie, only one duel, and the characters only use them when it's really intense.
Not like the prequels where everyone and their mum has one and whips them out every second scene when they have to glare at a ship taking off in a badass manner.
>>63794535
It's not lasers it's plasma. Just get out of the internet nerd.
>>63794514
In the prequels they had those droids that had those purple electrical staff things that could fight a light saber.
>>63794574
He's not a Sith though and it appears, based on his lack of martial ability, that lightsaber technique died with the rule of 2.
>>63794649
>correcting me on what the colorful light shaft is made of
>nerd
>>63794647
>only one duel
you mean except for the Stormtrooper fight earlier in the movie, where a lightsaber was also used.
>>63794498
It's not saber either
>>63794787
Ehhh that's not really a "lightsaber duel" though.
That's more like the blue shield the Destroyers from the prequels had.
>>63794728
I dont remember onne of those staffs blocking a light saber hit, maybe in the Clone Wars series.
Offtopic: Thats something I hated in the prequels. In the CW series those staff droids were a lot of trouble or the Jedis, while in the movies Obi Wan disposes of them like they were nothing.
>>63793990
Is "glib facsmile" the new meme?
>>63794834
Obi-Wan is also one of the most powerful jedi of his age and the best in his specific lightsaber technique (djem so I think?)
>>63794498
>>63794051
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber
>plasma blade
Also fuck you captcha
>>63794940
It was in a meme that was posted 2 days ago and now 4chan has learned a new word apparently.
>>63794393
You are aware that c stands for the speed of light and e is the total energy that a body contains? I.e. if you converted the entire mass of the object into energy, that's how much you get.
>>63793964
Honestly, I think they kinda diminished them., especially if Finn doesn't turn out to be force sensitive. Before lightsabers felt like beasts that could only be tamed by powerful Jedi lest someone cut their own dick off trying to use it, and every Jedi seemed perfectly in tune with their saber. Now some random ass kids can just pick one up and start fucking shit up with it.
>>63793964
Oh yeah they totally could fuck your shit up.
You see every slice that hit? Just some sparks and a couple of scratches.
Fuck me backwards with a rusty pineapple, it's like Usenet never died.
Seriously though
Yes, OP, I liked how the sabres were presented, weight or no weight.
I will not even bitch about the lackluster fight since it was two untrained people vs. a severely injured apprentice.
I expect our minds to be blown by Luke's fighting in episode 8.
>>63794498
lost the argument and left in such a pathetic way. anon, no one else may know you, but you will know how pathetic you got seduced by the dark side this day.
>>63793964
>weight to th
there's that fucking word again.
>>63795047
Han used one in ESB.
>>63795233
this isn't getting enough attention
a lot of what is SUPPOSED to make light sabers so awesome and scary is that being hit with one is going to mean either death or losing something. you're not supposed to grunt and wince when you get hit.
literally the only exception before this movie was Darth getting a glancing blow on his armor once from Luke, and he's made of metal so no physical part of him was hurt.
JJ has it happening a couple of times per fight and it's going to make lightsabers into glowy swords if any more movies do it. .
>>63793964
a glib facsimile
>>63795362
>I expect our minds to be blown by Luke's fighting in episode 8.
the way to really blow our minds will be if Luke never even has to fight anyone and is able to totally neutralize problems another way.
More like Social Justice Wars am I right?
>>63795652
carlos!
>>63793964
Hello reddit
The lightsabers are worst thing about Star Wars when they're meant to parallel the katana. Literally Fedora: the Weapon.
>>63793964
quite the opposite for me, they didn't seem as "slicing" always
Shitposting aside, can we all agree the sound that Kylo's lightsaber produces is fucking tasty?
>>63795488
Han was force sensative, its why he shoots so well and is such a great pilot. Its also why kylo is so strong
>>63795362
>>63795595
Luke will 100% fight Snoke at some point.
>>63795886
Whenever he pulled it out I got pretty hyped.
Damn I really fucking enjoyed this movie. Might have to go see it again.
>>63796423
Do it. I'll see it two more times at least. Lets remove space pocahontas from the first place, we can do it together.
>>63794940
Its a forced meme.
The best representation of it would be Milhouse holding a lightsaber.
>>63795540
this is what pissed me off on top of Finn being able to use one for more than two seconds against Kylo. it's just bullshit
>>63798010
Storm troopers have training in melee combat, shown by the trooper with the energy weapon fighting Fin.
Also, Kylo was badly injured. They made it a point to show how strong the wookie bowcaster was throughout the movie for that same reason.
But Finn got his ass kicked by a Stormtrooper while using a lightsaber
>>63794464
>implying you can have weight without mass
>>63798481
Didn't he work in sanitation?
>>63798718
Soldiers irl do menial tasks as well, doesn't mean he lacked training.
>>63793964
I always loved the look of dual weild lightsabers but I realized did anybody ever dual weild lightsabers in the movies outside of Grievous?
Its a fairly common thing in the starwars video games and TV show.
>this fucking thread
Have you people never played pretend lightsaber with a piece of wood or something?
Without counterweight a lightsaber would handle like shit.
>>63798788
anakin skywalker used his and obi-wan's together against dooku
>>63798788
Anakin vs. Dooku briefly in AOTC. Anakin actually made it a point to train dual wielding - think that was from the novelization or another lore book.
Also, I think Rey will get a sabre like Darth Maul's to use her proficiency with the staff.
the lightsaber duel was better than all lighsaber fighting in the prequels
>>63798848
I hope it's more like a naginata. She's a girl, after all
>>63793964
So the Empire actually developed Weird Baton things that could clash with light sabers?
Also why did the trooper throw his guns to the ground and try to go melee?
>>63798788
Anakin does in Attack of the clones, and again when he decapitates dooku in ROTS.
If they wanted powerful, effective hand-to-hand (and optionally ranged) weapons, why didn't they make lightspears instead of lightsabers?
Spears are superior to sabers in every conceivable way.
>>63798907
>sith's first troll
>>63798969
That can work as well. Unique too.
>>63799000
Crowd control energy batons senpai, not anti-lightsabre weapons, remember there are no more jedi.
>>63798848
why the fuck are you using a name? Filtered
>>63798907
Not true, but it certainly looked intense. like there was a legitimate danger of getting your arms cut off. Plus the sabers looked cool in a dark wintery forest, especially how they cut trees down accidentally.
the only thing that stood out of the duels in TFA were that the lightsabers themselves looked like deadly weapons, whereas the prequels made them look like glowsticks and the OT made them look like broadswords.
>>63793964
Fuck you.
>>63799039
>spear
>being that nigga
>>63799039
Because its not as cool.
Also those robot minions of Grievous used electro spears.
I expected Reys staff to get charged at some point
>>63799039
how about i cut the spear in half with a lightsaber, where is your superior weapon now
>>63799039
>miss one thrust
>you're fucked
>>63799083
Old habit
>>63799141
Please rush at me until you get 3-4 feet away while I stab at you with my 6-ft lightspear. I'm sure that will go well for you.
I don't even need the full blade. Just the tip.
>>63799109
>not true
>list all the stuff that makes it better than the prequel plastic fights
>>63799109
I agree. Up until now the best balanced fight had been the Windu/Sheev duel (when it got down to 1 on 1)
But the better choreography of all the fights easily came from the preqs
>>63799228
Oh he missed a few.
>lightsabers seemed heavy and unwieldy, as people have been saying
>baddie was injured
>goodies were untrained
>lots of quick cuts and burns like a real sabre (not longsword or whatever) duel
>instead of "you get hit once and then you're dismembered or dead therefore defeated"
>>63794051
Watch Luke's fight in RotJ, nigger. Especially the part where Luke hammers down on Vader before cutting his arm off. The OT sabers had weight. You're some Prequelbabby who wants lightshows.
>>63799403
Practical effects of the time =/= intent to show it as lore
>>63793964
Yep. And they were choreographed to be more like the fights in the originals instead of the flashy bullshit from the prequels. They actually swung at each other with some emotion and took time to have dialogue and shit during the fights. That moment whenKylo Ren offers to teach Rey and she centres herself before kicking his asshad more meaning and impact than the entirety of the prequels combined.
>>63799461
I'm pretty sure it's been said somewhere that for the first film, they wanted to show the lightsabers as heavy and they asked the actors to hold them as such. Which is funny because Luke just waves that shit around first time.
I mean what were the actual props? Weren't they just plastic or something?
>>63799218
how about i use my gay space wizard reflexes to slice the tip off before it hits me
>>63799535
>liking the rey-kylo fight at all
mary sue with 2 minutes of lightsaber time beating a guy who trained for 15 years was dumb as hell
>>63799575
They were plastics for the waving, but they gave Luke something tough for the scene where he slams Vader, hence the weight.
>>63799575
the original props were made from metal flash cylinders from old-ass cameras. Luke's ROTJ saber was half deactivated grenade, so they had some heft to them. as for the prequals I've no idea, probably machined aluminum.
>>63799708
We have been over this at least 700 times already, please stop.
>>63793964
Did Rei get blacked or not?
>>63799758
>We'll see each other again MY FRIEND
I legit don't know.
Anyways stop being a fag.
>>63799750
>m-m-muh force sensitive
kylo trained with the force for like 20 years and you expect me to believe rey "never picked up a lightsaber in her life" could even have a chance against kylo
think again faggot
>>63799708
Important to note that "winning" the fight came down to strength, not skill. Remember, the blow that disabled Kylo came after they were in that wrestling pose with their lightsabers pointed away and each trying to force the other into the submission. Now remember that kylo had been shot and repeatedly stabbed and already gone through another fight. Rey was not more skilled than him, she won the fight because she had more of her strength reserved.
>>63799141
now two spears! spear win everyteim!
> force users can assassinate people on the other side of the galaxy
> use melee combat instead
k
>>63799708
>trained for 15years
you're implying a lot here, I feel. From what I can see, Kylo is an angsty american kid who shoots up a school with an AR15 and gets taken in by 'current new evil guy'. he's not some wiz with a lightsabre or grandmaster of the force, he's a punk. What we can assume for Rey is that she's lived in a shithole all her life, and favours a pole-arm of somekind, so has some experience in melee fighting.
>>63799140
Those were staffs not spears
>>63799839
All right, 701st time
>he was just an apprentice
>the wookie bowcaster was shown to insta kill and throw back people explicitly throughout the movie
>Kylo got hit by it hard
>he also fought Fin, which takes its toll physically
>he just killed his father, which takes its toll mentally
>Rey is after all the daughter of Luke, although not trained, raw power matters
I could go on
>>63799868
Only evil people do that
>>63793964
i really disliked the fact that people could get hit by a lightsaber multiple times and continue fighting.
Lightsaber should be an absolutly deadly weapon, if you get hit once, you are out of the fight
>>63799905
>he's not some wiz with a lightsabre or grandmaster of the force
he was literally trained by sheev 2.0 AND luke for at least a decade if not more
>>63800084
Luke's incompetent. We know this, otherwise Kylo Ren wouldn't exist. Luke's own training amounts to a handful of old jedi meme-phrases and swinging like he's playing cricket.
>>63793964
It was because they actually showed people getting fucked up by them. (And the sfx for them didn't seem as loud or obnoxious.) Even when people got limbs cut off in the prequels there was no blood and it all felt very sterile.
>>63800051
It's not magic or made from black holes... a grazing hit will do just what the name implies, burn you a bit, not magically render you unconscious or dead.
Kylo just doesn't have any talent.
That's why he is so angsty in the first place. Everyone expected him to be a überjedi, but he's shit. So he snaps and goes dark in order to get stronger.
>>63800247
lel, I;m saving this comment for posterity
>>63800247
>Luke's incompetent. We know this, otherwise Kylo Ren wouldn't exist
not even true did you watch the prequels? anakin had an entire council of jedi yet he still turned into vader
jedi will turn into edgelords regardless of what their masters teach them
>>63795488
Yeah, for all of five seconds to make a cut in a stationary target. He wasn't fighting people with it.
>>63799039
They did
>>63793964
>cool again
no
>popular again
yes
>>63799947
Kylo probably didn't get much/any saber training under luke, either.
He never made his own until after he joined the Knights of Ren.
>>63795540
Unless you have the sabre pass through you, you should be okay from a glancing blow
The real question is, when the fuck did normal Stormtroopers become able to fight people with lightsabers?
>>63800488
>not canon
:^)
There better be live action fighting like this in ep. 8 or 9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuNvCOUy1Ts
>>63800286
but it is really unrealistic that people just keep getting grazing hits in a fight.
Also, it takes away some of the tension. In original triology and the prequals, you knew, once the lightsaber hits, the fight is over. But here, they just keep fighting, keeping getting hit and not really bothered by it.
>>63800569
IT'S CANON TO ME.
I also love the Republic soldier's suits in ToR
>>63800488
thats a pike not a spear
>>63800531
Yup. I think both Luke and Snork leaned more on lore and Force use, trying to pull Kylo to one of the sides of the force respectively.
Also, from that force-flashback, I got the feeling the Knights of Ren were Luke's pupils that joined Kylo in the Dark Side and that flashback scene had them kill the rest of Luke's Academy.
>>63794093
>light has mass
Check em
>>63793964
If I may be a faggot for a minute.
Because in 4,5,6 and 7 they represent something.
They're an extension of the user, not just a weapon.
They're symbols of good versus evil.
It's like two knights dueling or two samurai going for the one lethal slash.
The growling hum of the power core, the flickering and crackling light, the screeching when they clash.
It's a goddamn light saber.
In the prequels they were glowsticks.
>>63800556
don't worry they will never be able to do that again. it was a throw away idea for that scene. what do you mean that's inconsistent?
>>63800569
>centuries between the old republic and 'present'
>almost zero technological progression
This is what I never got about Star Wars.
>>63800556
They are both Stormtroopers who had received equal melee training fighting with melee weapons, nothing special about it.
A lightsabre doesn;t give you special powers, but I am sure you knew that, thanks for the bump anyway.
>>63793964
Haven't thought about it before, but I agree
>>63800084
I must have missed the part where Kylo Ren is 40 years old and somehow still an apprentice
>>63800282
That's because the would would be cauterized by the heat of the saber you freaking dip
>>63800685
>that scene in Ep. 2 where Yoda pulls out the baby lightsaber
13 years later, I still kek thinking about it.
>>63800618
>but it is really unrealistic that people just keep getting grazing hits in a fight.
That's not really an argument against it. That's your preference, I find nothing wrong with it.
An apprentice and some amateurs failing to land killing blows sounds legit to me.
>>63800656
Ditto
>>63800725
There was something about the Galaxy had reached its peak technological development millenia ago, so they were iterating more on the looks and symbolism in current ages with the very occasional advancement like the interdictor cruisers.
>>63798481
lightsaber doesn't have weight, and ripostes with a lightsaber therefore would feel different than a heavier weapon that Finn would have trained with.
his lighstaber cut into him, the intensity of the heat alone being held for such prolonged time would've sent Finn into shock (although I can let this one go)
HOWEVER:
he is a stormtrooper, with storm trooper training, which is EXACTLY why he should have fallen to Kylo during a one-on-one. It's not believable otherwise.
And furthermore, Kylo had opportunities to kill Finn before being rushed by Rey. Finn was out and without a weapon. Easy kill.
I'm not gonna lie it really pissed me off at the end when Rae kept lunging her sword at Kylo. I kept thinking about how easy it would have been for Kylo to chop her head off. It wouldn't have been so bad if she did it once or twice, but she legit did it 4-5 times. It honestly seemed like Fin was more adept at sword fighting than she was, but because of plot armour, she outperformed Kylo.
>>63800846
but it removes all tension from the fight
we see two guys fighting, hitting each other, with no visible effect, and we cant really tell who is winning
>>63800846
Kylo sliced Finns fucking back and you're telling me he couldn't have just stabbed him instead. No fucking reason for that "glancing blow"
>>63800282
Every time somebody got a limb cut off in the OT, the wound was cauterized (except pond baba but that was the first time any limb was cut off)
>>63800835
Would have been funnier if his light saber was longer than a regular one.
Yoda bouncing around you with his 6 foot light pecker.
>>63800725
Diminishing returns. At some point people just hit the limits of what they can do.
>>63800893
>htsaber doesn't have weight, and ripostes with a lightsaber therefore would feel different than a heavier weapon that Finn would have trained with.
One of the reasons he lots the fight with the other trooper.
> which is EXACTLY why he should have fallen to Kylo during a one-on-one.
He did.
I don't see what are you arguing, everything you said happened in the movie.
>>63800676
That's what I'm leaning towards. I think a lot of people hyped up Ren to much being Vader 2.0, so him getting his ass beat is fueling all the Mary Sue arguments even more. I didn't look at a thing in the build up apart from a few promo images and after watching, he just comes across to me as like an airsoft/paintballer who thinks they're in Delta.
>>63800942
It's a movie, sometimes you have to suspend your disbelief. Like whenever you have a bad guy monologue their plans for exposition.
>>63800846
the whole point of lightsabers is meant to be that if you get hit by one you are fucked because they cut through things without them offering any real resistance. they just tossed that lethality into the garbage.
>>63800922
I thought he was holding back because it's his sister or something.
>>63800351
Who is this faggot and why is he referencing Expanded Universe non-canon shit tier fanboy movies like "episodes" 1-3.
>>63794143
Technically depending on who you talk to, photons (light) are particles so therefore have a mass. From there it is not too much of a stretch to say once they are compacted/compressed they would have quite the mass once solid
>>63801050
Really though? You're telling me Kylo is so incompetent that he can't land a single good hit on two untrained kids?
>>63801050
>like an airsoft/paintballer who thinks they're in Delta.
Indeed.
>>63801060
>the whole point of lightsabers is meant to be that if you get hit by one you are fucked
Not true in any way, shape or form.
>they just tossed that lethality into the garbage.
...and if you are just grazed by one? Do you magically disappear due to its death field or do you get burned and the wound cauterized?
They are still super lethal, if used correctly, not by two amateurs and a badly wounded apprentice.
>>63801068
I figured it was because he only received force training and not a lot of saber combat. I mean he never had opportunities to use the saber in a duel, so he doesn't have the experience.
But as far as finn and rey goes theres no reason they should've stood a chance.
>>63801163
He was cringing with pain and stopping his swings midway due to it. Completely possible to miss certain opportunities.
>>63794093
Light is photons which have no mass.
I'm laughing at the dorks saying "it's plasma" as if they know what plasma actually is.
>>63801197
I think he surely has received some, but it was not the most important part of his training.
Which is curios, he was after Luke, how did he expect to win? Force only? Surely Luke is stronger and more experienced, even if Snork taught Ren some shady Sith tricks.
>>63800725
That's a common trope in fantasy. Some empire creates advanced technology, flying airships, etc., then they disappear and everyone's back to fighting with sticks.
It's probably based on real-life misunderstandings about the so-called Dark Ages. Or people who think Ancient Greece was some amazing utopia and the Middle Ages were universally shit.
>>63801042
>reading "fallen" as laying down like a bitch and living to see another day.
only one thing would appease me, if Finn lost a limb or wasn't able to walk out of there, other than that into the trash it goes...
star wars belongs to the kiddies
>>63801161
Also I forgot to mention this was implied by some fluff about padawan lightsabers being next to harmless as the blades are less dense due to presumably smaller density of photons, like lasers we have now depending on intensity eg. Visual uses to industrial cutting
>hmm... this fight is harder than I thought. Should I use that instant-freeze power that works on blaster fire normal humans and Rey? I mean, I know she can use the force now, but if I can just freeze her for a second that's enough to disembowel her.
>NAH I'll just let her close her eyes for 10 seconds and then almost kill me
>>63801163
>kids
They were in their late teens or early twenties. Pretty much perfect soldier age. Especially for a soldier trained from birth and a woman who had some kind of vague hitting-shit-with-a-spear experience.
>>63801163
Until they give more background on all three, I'm going to withold saying anything for certain.
The way I'm seeing it at the moment. Finn was taught (as a soldier), but shit at it. Rey learned to fight through street fights and relies on intuition rather than technique. And Ren is some kind of loremaster who has trained against dolls and inferior opponents but never against somebody with the potential to match him.
Also, you know, Ren being blasted by Chewi's OP Bowcaster and being an emotional wreck in general. I don't think he has the mental clarity to fight properly or as well as he could, even if he was well trained.
Again, until we get background on all three, people are most likely going to stick to the opinions they've already formed and ignore everything else.
>>63801414
But he was literally carried out of there after getting wrecked.
>>63801444
>Rey learned to fight through street fights and relies on intuition rather than technique.
Also, the Force is a living thing and can guide people, like it did with Luke and the torpedo in ANH. It sounds gay, but it's part of the lore.
>I don't think he has the mental clarity to fight properly or as well as he could, even if he was well trained.
I hope he becomes the ultimate badass fighter in later movies.
>>63798788
Everyone forgetting about Aayla Secura
>>63799000
You forget that he shouts "TRAITOOOR!!!11oneone" before doing that, so obviously he wanted to make it personal.
>>63801583
>Ren savagely wails on an opponent like he did to that console in a tantrum
Holy shit I would see that so hard.
>>63801509
a sith is now no danger, lighstabers are for pretendsies play fights
just sleep it off
>>63801643
Aayla secura doesn't dual wield anon, are you thinking of Ahsoka Tano?
>>63801444
1) If he's shit at it, then how did he survive?
2) What sort of "street fights" would improve Rey's fighting ability? I'm only judging based on what I saw in the movie, but it looks like 99% of the creatures she meets are either tiny pushovers, or bigass CGI turds that would eat her if it was legal.
>>63799575
True and possibly affecting the prequel showofferry was Ray Park instructing Lucas on how his idea for the dualblade wouldn't work so they had to make it longer and stuff.
>>63801583
Exactly, it guides people, and you can train to control and use it in the way you want
aka no mindtricking and force pulling right out the bat
>>63801238
Right, but he should have been able to lop Finn's arm off or slice him in two instead of landing glancing blows. You'd have to be trying to not actually damage them to barely miss like he did. It felt like they tried to do something similar to the Anakin/Obi-Wan/Yoda vs Dooku fight, but without the Yoda of the scene it doesn't work. Luke should've showed up and wiped the floor with Kylo, not have Rey, who just learned she could use the force like an hour beforehand, beat him. That way Kylo could still be intimidating in the sequels. Who's gonna be scared of him now?
>>63801298
Nigga did you sit through physics when the cathode ray tube and "ferris wheel" experiment was explained? Photons share both characteristics of waves and particles depending on the context, and seeing as though lightsabers are "condensed light" it's likely in this situation they are treated as particles as it makes sense to condense a bunch of "bits" than to contain an EM wave
>>63794742
You aren't very bright are you?
>>63801766
>was Ray Park instructing Lucas on how his idea for the dualblade wouldn't work so they had to make it longer and stuff.
I've missed that, what happened?
>>63801794
I was making the exact opposite argument you know. It can guide you to do stuff that you don't know how to do.
>>63801825
Would you want a 10 second fight where Kylo Force freezes them both and chops their heads of? C'mon anon.
>That way Kylo could still be intimidating in the sequels. Who's gonna be scared of him now?
Don;t worry, he will finish the training, learn more stuff, drop the edgy teen act and go more intense, but composed evil. We are only in the beginning.
Compare Luke in ANH and ROTJ.
>>63795362
Luke will never leave that place for reasons or die of old age.
>>63801729
I'm positive I've seen one of those tentacle headed women wield both a green and a blue saber at some point.
>>63795047
What is this memery? Literally nowhere in the OT is it implied, let alone outright stated that lightsabers can only be used by force sensitive people. It's a sword with a toggle switch. Sure, if you aren't force sensitive you won't have the reflexes to deflect beams of light. But you can still hack someone to bits.
>>63793964
>lightsabers were ever uncool
>>63801985
Can't we get one final stand where he fights both Ren and Snork, but dies valiantly?
>>63801437
Look, what I'm saying is they're young and untested. Han called Luke a kid in ANH too, and it seems like Rey/Finn are around the same age as Luke was then.
>>63801956
>Would you want a 10 second fight where Kylo Force freezes them both and chops their heads of? C'mon anon.
I don't think people here understand concepts such as dramatic effect and think that everything should play out in a realistic manner, like Indie shooting the swordsman. They're probably the type who legitimately wonder why the eagles didn't fly the hobbits to Mordor
lightsabes aren't supposed to have weight it goes against its fucking theme.
What are we gonna have next? Claymore thick lightsabes that need two hands to lift?
>>63802039
Nitpicking is tedious. Especially when one side is arguing hyper realism that would negate 99% of the movie instantly.
>>63801956
From what I recall, Lucas originally wanted it to be basically a normal lightsaber handle but with two blades. Ray Park told him something that it would do more harm to the user rather than work fine so they had to essentially make it longer to accommodate for the fighting style.
>>63802036
Han was being smarmy. Luke was 19 or so, not an actual child.
I'd rather fight someone in their late twenties or their thirties than someone in their late teens or early twenties. If I had to completely gamble on experience, and this was a fantasy/medieval type world.
>>63801754
>1)
Survive what? Throughout life, or the movie? He's one of the few force sensitive characters that's aware of it and has nominal training, that automatically puts him ahead of anyone else.
Like if you were in a sports team with a bunch of starving Africans, but you had access to a gym and all the food you need to bulk. You don't have to be God-like when everyone else is emaciated. If you're talking about the movie, then it's solely for the sake of plot - like I said earlier, it's a film and sometimes you have to suspend your disbelief.
>2)
Any. It doesn't matter if you win or lose. The more you fight against equal opponents, the more you learn. You learn more from a competitive game with somebody than a blow out. Up until the events of the movie, Rey isn't that much more special than anybody else, even if she has the potential; she's still fighting over the same piece of dirt. During the movie, she basically goes Super Saiyan, which is absurdly fast, but whatever. It's done now.
>>63802110
Ooh nice, Ray Park is a cool dude, this only confirms it. A short handle would have looked gross and impractical imo.
>>63801420
In the pause, he's trying to convince her to join the dark side. That's why he doesn't cut her down.
>>63802076
No, next we will have an Asian Jedi with a lightsaber katana. Disney's gotta sell those toys.
>>63794376
No they aren't otherwise light sabres would pass through each other.
>>63794187
... It actually does. The mass variation is infinitesimal but it's there.
>>63794385
>Pic makes a black person look noble
>But black people can't be noble
>It must be shooped
Being an inbred racist is suffering.
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>>63801997
Ayla Secura did in Battlefront II. But that was the only instance she had two colors.
My favorite dual wielder is Assajj though. Its a pity she never showed up in AotC.
>>63802299
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vtj5YxDcCk
Already exists.
>>63793964
This fucker shouldn't of even held such a weapon.
>>63802424
>shouldn't of
Fuck off, britfag
>>63802416
All these references to the EU make me extremely happy that the Clone Wars is still canonical.
>>63800556
Its just an electric Baton.
Here's my guess: the baton, inspired by lightsaber, is designed primarly to deflect blaster hits, the fact that it can deflect a lightsaber is just coincidental
>>63801068
Yes. I think he meant it when he offered to train her. He either realized they were related or wanted her on his side because he knew she was strong with the force.
>>63802467
Q.Q = you
>>63802393
Oh yeah! Thanks for reminding me!
I'm not a fan of the curved handle but she's pretty cool otherwise. I'd love to see some weird lightsaber designs but just the straight nature of the blades are very hard to work it.
Maybe like a tridentsaber or something crazy like that could work.
>>63795161
HOLY FUCK, EKO! Where ya been?
>>63802467
>>63802525
She looked tempted for a moment, like when she was offered lots of rations for BB-8. I think that shows she has some tiny potential to be seduced by the dark side.
>>63793964
I got this feeling during the fight with Kylo Ren. It wasn't some LE EPIC choreographed fight like in the prequels, it actually felt like two people just having a sword fight with swords that could incinerate your insides.
>>63793964
Opposite if anything. I mean, first of all, since when has the Lightsaber not been cool.
But prior to TFA when someone got hit by a lightsaber they were just fucking done. Dead or Disfigured, it was over. Everyone gets hit in TFA by a lightsaber at one point or another, and only one of them bites it because of it.
>>63794035
>>63794051
I WANT PREQUEL BABBIES TO LEAVE REEEEEEE
>>63798788
Lots of background Jedi in AOTC.
>>63801161
>us 12/18/15(Fri)16:08:19 No.63794940â–¶>>63794990 >>63797278
>>>63793
physics fag here, light has no mass, and it doesn't depend on who you talk to rofl
>>63802500
It's a crowd control weapon. You need Force precog to deflect blaster bolts.
>>63802560
There's a lightsabre whip in one of the games
>>63802574
lulz, hey man. I am around, I just don't post. Board moves too fast and not many shows left that deserve posting. Maybe The Expanse will change, we'll see.
Had to come and shoot the breeze about Star Wars, that's mandatory.
>>63802628
Good observation. Maybe she'll have doubts in 8, that would be nice.
>>63801161
Bosons can't be compressed because don't follow the Exclusion Principle. They can all occupy the same space. Also, photons have momentum but not mass.
>>63801419
plasma =/= photons
>>63801997
You're not wrong, Aayla does dual wield in Star Wars Battlefront II. Don't think she does anywhere else though.
>>63799039
Because the old samurai movies George Lucas ripped off of used swords and not spears?
>>63800556
I dunno, but that weapon was cool as fuck. I mean, I know it was basically an electric tonfa, but I'm just going to pretend that I'm 8 and it's the crazy ridiculous weapon I've never seen before because holy shit was that scene cool.
>>63799109
Nah, the lightsabers in TFA only land glancing blows apparently. With the battles in the prequels it felt like one false move and someone gets an arm chopped off.
>Never got that feeling with the prequels and I'm not sure why.
In the prequels, they did shit like pic related a lot.
Also, the lightsabers never interracted with the ambient surroundings. They did shit when they hit stuff, but that was rare and obviously choreographed. Nothing came off as "candid".
Also, and this is a huge jarring error that I'm surprised I never noticed until seeing the lightsabers in TFA, but the lightsabers in the prequel trilogy don't emit light. When Mace Windu lights his saber, he's not bathed in purple light like he should be, and the way people are in TFA.
>>63803050
Man, that was the moment I thought the prequel trilogy lightsaber fighting went from awesome to lame as fuck.
>>63795304
>2015
>people still have opinions on popular entertainment
GET THE FUCK OUTTA TOWN
>>63803050
They don't in the OT either. Not consistently, at least. The prequel was just a digital update to the technique used in OT, which was to rotoscope a white line with a background glow over the fakes they used in filming (which is why all those fan films could make halfway convincing knock-offs; it was super easy to do).
>Rey cutting trees with Luke's lightsaber trying to block Ren's path
>That X-Wing closing its wings to fit into that little hole
Man...those little details.
>>63803228
One of the details I really liked was BB-8 looking down as it went down those stairs in the cantina. It had to take each step slowly to now roll down too fast.
>>63801956
What I'm saying is it fucks Kylo's character up to get his shit kicked by a girl who has never handled a lightsaber before. I don't need it to be realistic, I need there to be actual stakes. Luke didn't just go in and fuck Vader's shit up the moment he got a lightsaber. He got his ass kicked, because that added stakes and tension to his duels. If Rey's already more powerful than Kylo, what makes you think he'll be a match for her once she gets training?
>>63803321
Vader is on a completely different level, though.
>>63802024
Obi-Wan basically outright states that you need training to handle a lightsaber the first time we ever see one.
>>63803300
Oh yess, that was a nice background detail.
I liked how he hid behind Han's legs and peaked from there, when those pirates mentioned the Order was looking for a BB unit.
>>63803321
>wookie bowcaster wound...
and this whole post >>63799947
>701 and this one >>63800531 and more itt
>>63793964
It was neat, I liked the smoke on lightsabers clashing.
Only complaint is they also made them basically nothing to use. A guy who can't even use the Force and a girl who's never held a lightsaber in her life are able to just pick one up and wield it on the level and above this guy who is both trained in using the Force and also trained in using a lightsaber and killed like a hundred other people trained in force and lightsaber.
>>63803485
Aaand again: KYLO WAS INJURED BY A FUCKING WEAPON THEY MEME'D 3 TIMES IN THAT MOVIE.
>>63803538
Doesn't matter.
>>63802098
>>63802039
Not arguing for hyper realism here. Just would like them to not build up their villain as a total badass and then all of a sudden make him fucking useless. I don't know how many times I have to say it. Vader was fucking terrifying because he killed people no sweat and cut Luke's hand off. They fucked up Kylo by not having him be able to beat Rey and Finn.
>>63793964
>lightsaber
>light
>weight
Wot
>>63803300
I first thought of Daleks, then I wondered why it didn't just use its magic hooks to go to the bottom of the stairs. They were a few feet long, at least. Just grapple down instead of rolling, stupid robot.
>>63803586
To be fair, they'd be retreading too much ground if they rehashed Vader outright in a movie that is already rehashing hard.
Plus, Vader has all this backstory to him, it'd be unjust to Vader if some shitty brat like Ren was on par without earning it.
>>63803485
Something it made me curious about is what would actually happen if you handed an average joe a sword, pitted him against a decent sword user, and told him to defend himself.
Maybe it's intuitive, as long as you have the strength to lift and use the sword? They swing at you, you block. Reflexes.
Or maybe the other guy just stabs you once and you're dead.
I want /his/ on this shit.
>>63803595
"Light" refers to the fact that it's from the Light Side. Hence why the Emperor calls it a "Jedi weapon".
>>63800725
>>centuries between the old republic and 'present'
>>almost zero technological progression
>This is what I never got about Star Wars.
I've always been a fan of the Expanded Universe explaination that once it stopped being a republic and a military dictatorship/empire that technology stopped being advanced and sleek and built solely for the purpose of war.
>>63803485
>and killed like a hundred other people trained in force and lightsaber.
Nope. He killed some other apprentices along with his Knight of Ren buddies at most.
>>63803552
:^)
>>63803586
Ren is an edgy /r9k/ kid that is a Vader cosplayer and has received basic training (still an apprentice)
>>63800084
>he was literally trained by sheev 2.0 AND luke for at least a decade if not more
Except he was a a teenager when he left and just now started joining with Snoke and training with him.. or did you miss whole dialogues from the film? Kylo is at best 25.
>>63803658
>Vader has all this backstory to him
In the original trilogy he had less backstory than Kylo Ren had in this movie.
Ren doesn't need to be on par with Vader, he just needs to be threatening, because that's Villain Writing 101 on your first day of Screenwriting For Blockbusters in film school. The only time he was was in the first scene where he does one cool thing stopping the blaster shot, then he gets btfo by people who should not be on his level.
He's just a failed execution of a villain because JJ wanted him to be scary but then also wanted Rey to win in the end, and these two things are simply directly contradictory.
>>63803688
Well, one thing I appreciated was the Rey spent most of the battle running away, because I think that's basically the only way you survive that kind of situation. When Luke fought Vader head on, he got his ass handed to him until after he trained. Rey knows how to fight (see: market scene), which is probably enough for her to fend off attacks for a few seconds before she sees a window to keep running.
>>63803745
>Nope.
Uhhhh, yes? Do you really want to do this childish shit?
You literally admit that he did in your next sentence.
>>63803795
This is the first movie anon, chill
>>63803804
Good point
>>63803795
I can't disagree with you there, but I'm letting it slide for now, depending on how Ren develops.
