The Force Awakens.where and how did the first order manage to get the resources and manpower to build the starkiller when building the death star taxed the resources of the empire when it was at its peak in power?
How did they manage to hide the construction of such a weapon from the newly reformed republic, or anyone who would find such information valuable to sell?
How does the "shot" manage to reach other far away systems in such a short ammount of time without the use of hyperspace?
>>63750222
It was prequel level retarded.
>>63750222
Reminder that George was called a hack for this type of plot holes while JJ is praised for his creativity
>>63750222
dude just turn your brain off lmao
I wonder what pushed Luke to fuck off to a distant planet and let the dark side grow
i wonder what pushed him to give his location to a droid
why are all the chosen one so fucking pathetic
Also we now have 2 jedi for 1 lightsaber
they had 30 years.
and how do we know it taxed the empire? it was a huge project yea but the starkiller thing wasn't exactly like for like - it was a planet with a huge cannon on it basically. i don't think it could move.
>>63750362
>oh shit Kylo turned to the dark side
>better fuck off to some isolated planet and let Snoke and Kylo do what they want desu f.am
If Finn was trained from birth to be a Stormtrooper and only a Stormtrooper, how did he get to adulthood before they realised he was a useless pussy?
Since apparently the galaxy is smaller that our solar system (that's why they can see other planets exploding in the sky), it's not that far fetched :^)
>>63750407
>oh shit Anakin turned to the dark side
>better fuck off to some isolated planet and let Sheev and Vader do what they want desu f.am
>>63750384
>http://www.shortlist.com/entertainment/films/the-cost-of-the-death-star
>If you're looking for a better wage then you might have to start embracing evil. Students at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania worked out how much it would cost to build the Death Star and came up with a figure of $8,100,000,000,000,000 ($8.1 quadrillion!?), which is 13,000 times the world's GDP.
>How the hell did they come up with this though?
>Well the first one was reported to have measured 140km in diameter and they believed that it was made of steel. They then looked at other modern warships and figured they would have a similar density. They calculated that from the iron in the earth, you could make just over 2 billion Death Stars.
>But, before you start getting scared/excited then you need to know that, at today's rate of steel production, it would take 833,315 years to create enough steel to start building.
>Patience you must have.
I'm sure the Star Wars universe has more efficient means of producing steel and such, but even so, it's still an absolutely insane amount of resources.
>>63750467
They were in the same star system. They didn't destroy the planet the protagonists were on because Kylo Ren wanted to retrieve the plans from the droid.
>>63750498
yoda didn't have the republic and the rebellion to back his ass up
i hope we get a good explaination in the next movie
>>63750467
that's beyond retarded
>>63750533
>13000 times the world's GDP
Well the Empire rules an entire galaxy so it's not that much by their standards. Also way WAY better tech and resources.
>>63750534
How convinient
Despite the fact that only Kylo Ren wanted to have that map, while the overacting ginger general (that supervise the weapon) said he would destroy it if possible.
>>63750533
The Empire had the resources of almost the entire galaxy at its disposal, a galaxy in which faster than light travel is as common as planes and boats are on Earth. I don't think it was ever taxing for them, just long. I assume that's why they built the Starkiller on a planet, it looked more like a facility rather than full on space station.
Starkiller was dumb though.
>>63750222
>How does the "shot" manage to reach other far away systems in such a short ammount of time without the use of hyperspace?
I think JJ has no idea how space works.
Same with Star Trek, were Spock was beeing able to visually see his planet beeing destroyed, while beeing on another planet in another system
>>63750222
they used an existing dwarf planet/moon and dug out the core to fit the station
this way they didn't have to artificially build up a complete new station
since it uses solar storms from an existing sun by sucking up the energy (with a black hole probably) there isn't the need for an expensive power generator
>>63750533
There's a problem with this. Here, on Earth, we can only mine iron and other metals/minerals within a certain reach of the surface. That is why mountains and faults are good for mining because they give us better access to the good stuff by exposing it or pushing it up. When you mine asteroids, and there are a LOT of asteroids, with droids on auto-pilot you can mass-farm a fuckton of metals very very cheaply.
A space-faring race should never want for metal.
>>63750603
>Also way WAY better tech and resources
Not really. They have hyperspace drives and intelligent robots, but apart from that, their technology is not really that much better than ours.
They don't even seem to have internet, or any sort of media, for that matter
>>63750222
1: It irked me when it happened but then someone actually mentioned the blast DID go through hyperspace. Even if it didn't look that way at all.
2: The Empire built half a death star in like 4 years after the first one exploded. 30 years for terraforming an existing planet isn't a stretch considering the First Order is clearly not that much weaker than the Empire.
3: The bigger physics fail is how you store and ENTIRE FUCKING STAR inside a cannon without causing a black hole.
>>63750603
GDP doesn't translate directly into government treasuries.
But honestly don't try to make sense of Star Wars.
Instant travel from anywhere in the galaxy to any point, and there's still uncharted parts of it?
That it is possible to carve a machine in a planet in 30 years?
That the clone army, despite fighting a galactic scale war, is composed of only 4 millions members at its peak?
Just turn your brain off
>>63750308
He really wasn't. Stuff like the OP was not criticised even in the plinkett reviews.
It was never said in the films they got the shekels from taxation.
>>63750222
Didn't you pay attention? During the rebel exposition briefing they say the shots move at hyperspace.
>>63750222
>to reach other far away systems
how far away was it, actually?
>>63750723
What? Of course they do.
Do you really want me to link wookiepedia entries?
>>63750723
There was an internet in the EU but I can't remember what they called it.
>>63750798
Yet it moves slowly when we see it
>>63750534
The starkiller wasn't.
>>63750753
It's suggested that the Empire was pretty centralized with respect to the economy, with high taxing and plenty of nationalized industries.
>>63750723
You could say that about most things that were created in the past, but made to represent the future. Most people either go full retard with what they expect on the future, or base it on current tech. Like how the technology in Prometheus is far more advanced than anything you will see in Alien, which still had CRT screens and whatever else.
They don't even have the fucking Internet in Star Trek. Fuck knows if they even have porn, although I assume there is some smut in holodecks.
>>63750834
Could the Starkiller move? I assume it could because it'd be pretty fucking shit if it couldn't and would only have a finite amount of suns to use up before having to move one. It'd make it far shittier than the Death Star, which could actually go places.
And then there's moving an entire fucking planet FTL. Jesus.
>>63750809
>>63750819
EU fanfic doesn't count.
From what we can see in the movies they are not really that much more advanced than us.
They still use WW2 era dogfights and 18th era infantry tactics
>>63750833
because it looked cooler than if the planet just blew up for no reason. you have to make some concessions for stylistic reasons.
>>63750894
>EU fanfic doesn't count.
And half assed estimations by college students do?
sodo they destroy the super weapon this time? i thought they did but i have seen several posts saying they do
>>63750736
Neutron Stars are small but not past the threshold that creates a true black hole. On a technical perspective there is a world of difference between a Neutron Star and a Black Hole in how they each affect space-time, but from an organic entity's perspective they're both super-dense, only a few kilometers across, and will kill you if you get anywhere near them.
If they were somehow able to launch a bead of neutronium at a star or a planet it should theoretically cause it to collapse into a mini neutron star. That would kinda make sense, the part which doesn't make sense being how the Starkiller itself handles the neutronium. Seriously, that shit is more dangerous than antimatter.
>>63750894
Well, modern armor maneuvers are arguably just an adaptation of old cavalry tactics. Does it mean we did no evolve since the horse age?
>>63750906
The guy probably has autism (actual autism, not 4chan insult autism) if he can't suspend disbelief for a movie.
How did the First Order even come to be? Sure, there can be imperial remmenants, but they seem to be as strong as the empire ever was. What did the republic do in its 30 years?
>>63750954thought they didnt***
>>63750971
Fuck all, apparently.
>>63750906
Then just move it faster.
>>63750961
our armies would totally fuck up those from star wars, since they only can fire when they actually can visibly see their enemy
>>63750971
furiously masturbated
>>63750970
just turn your brain off
>>63751055
I don't want to die, m8.
>>63750222
ITT: autists expecting a sci-western to be realistic.
The prequels were never considered shit for their plot holes. every movie has plot holes to make a more compelling story, the prequels were shit because dialogue, characters, themes and story were retarded
>>63751035
How do you know that's the case? There wasn't any mention of strategic weaponry in the films (except for the Death Star of course), but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
>>63750971
I assume it's something like how Nazi moved all their stolen jewgoldz to South America, but instead of living long and healthy lives in the sun the Empire-in-Exile decided to hang out on a snow planet and plan revenge.
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Wrong choice in my opinion but if they went the full-on nazi route there would be no movie, just ex-imperial officers chilling on a beach.
>>63751035
>get blasted by laser beams from space and other forms of orbital bombardment
>isn't aware that even modern armies are displayed in film as fighting using visible lines of sight too.
Literally every fighter jet in films flies at low altitude and only shoots things within 500m distance, unlike real ones which will kill from the horizon.
>>63750971
Fall to infighting as several different species, many with a grudge against humans tried to go validate power.
The alliance was just a collection of rebel groups under a loose government.
>>63751035
I don't fucking remember where and when but I distinctly remember something like a howitzer cannon mentioned in the SW universe.
>>63750723
>Not really. They have hyperspace drives and intelligent robots, but apart from that, their technology is not really that much better than ours.
Here's the base mininum of tech strictly necessary to achieve Star Wars feats depicted on screen:
1. Energy generation and storage several orders of magnitude more efficient than nuclear reaction (Death Stars n shit).
2. Forcefields with various properties. Note that blasters and so on most likely also require them - they fire some sort of fairly slow-moving plasma bolts that somehow do not dissipate after leaving a weapon.
3. Construction materials way better than ours (highly non-aerodynamic objects surviving barely-controlled or even entirely uncontrolled orbital reentry).
4. Some means of making massive amounts of heat just fucking disappear (every starship ever + city-planets).
5. Antigravity (about every second vehicle).
6. Super efficient data storage (you can pack Death Star plans in an equivalent of USB stick).
>>63751354
Well, we already have #6 down. There are 1 terabyte flash drives now, I can't imagine that the Death Star plans would need nearly that much space.
>when you want a guy to just remake an already existing movie with a cast fit for the CURRENT YEAR
If Kylo was all evil, why didn't Luke just destroy him?
Kylo is so fucking weak, Luke would have wrecked him within 10 seconds
>>63751796
because he's his fucking nephew
>>63751960
And Vader is his father
>>63751796
>If Kylo was all evil, why didn't Luke just destroy him?
Did you even watch the movie? Kylo isn't full Dark Side yet.
>>63752077
Vader wasn't either.
>>63752108
Which is why Luke didn't destroy Vader when he had the chance, either.
>>63752073
you don't kill your sister's boy just because he's a rebellious teenager that rather would play with grandpa's guns than go to school
>>63752157
He at least stopped him from killing everyone
He didn't do that with Kylo
>I'll just hide on this island here while the first order and Kylo kill Leia and everyone else I love
>>63752183
That's the dark side talking.
Fear. Anger.
You gotta up your Zen, nigga.
>>63752183
I agree anon.
But I'm disputing this affirmation:
>If Kylo was all evil, why didn't Luke just destroy him?
Not "Why didn't Luke do something about the situation", which I hope will be explained in the next movie.
>>63752160
My nephew is like that, and as tempted as I am to slap his shit at times, it's not my place because he isn't my kid. So I encourage him to be even more of a shit, so he breaks more of his parents' stuff at home, but they forgive him because he's their 'baby'.
But he's also five.
Makes sense enough to me.
So.. if the Starkiller is a planet, what happens after it drains all the surrounding suns? Does it just sit there?
>>63752332
It moves to a different place and sucks up more suns I guess
>>63750222
>trying to make sense of a shitty kids movie
>>63752351
Then why bother with the laser?
Just go to the system, suck up the sun and laugh as everything freezes to death.
>>63752511
Better yet, why not just suck up the planets themselves?
>>63752511
>>63752535
better yet, why not just make a Death Star
>>63752535
we 1986 Transformers now
>>63750407
Lesson learned, the force is a fickle bitch
>>63752642
GLIB
>>63752642
>>63752713
>more than meets the eye
>>63752642
Unicron would've made a far better villain than any of the shit we got
>>63750723
Are you retarded?
Who the fuck is snoke?
>>63753917
>Solid Snoke
>The victories of the original trilogy are now meaningless because the Empire is still just as big a threat to the galaxy as it was before
I'm sorry George
>>63750222
They literally said it was a hyperlight weapon.
>>63754145
It sounds like the galaxy is split in two, with a republic and an empire, and the republic is funding a rebellion within the empirejust like the USSR funded the hippie movement
>>63750222
The First Order are Space ISIS.
So all their resources come from whoever Space America and Space Israel are.
>>63754145
>end of ROTJ
>empire got wrecked, whole galaxy celebrating victory and freedom
>fast forward like two decades
>first order somehow organized itself out of somewhere and got like 50000 quadrillion spacebux and personnel
>>63754284
I don't see ISIS building a fucking nuke.
>>63752160
You do if he shoots up a school and then joins the newly reformed Nazi party and begins wrecking western europe while sitting on top of enough nukes to end humanity.
>>63754427
nigga please, he's living the dream
>>63754419
They're trying anon, they're trying.
Give them 30 years.
>the opening scene with the spaceships and the planet in the background
It's like JJ actually watched Plinkett's review.
>>63750960
>If they were somehow able to launch a bead of neutronium at a star or a planet it should theoretically cause it to collapse into a mini neutron star.
Maybe in Star Wars magicland, but not according to real physics.
Neutron stars are held together by gravity, not by nuclear forces, which are repulsive between neutrons.
Stars massive enough to be neutron stars don't collapse because of the additional repulsive force of radiation pressure, renewed by the continuing fusion process. The transition to neutron star happens when fusion fuel is exhausted (generally, in one final burst which blows off the outer layers).
If you could somehow instantaneously transport a sample of neutronium to a relatively low-gravity locale such as a planet, it would fly apart instantly.
Reminder: Star Wars is space magicland. Real world physics doesn't apply.
>>63750433
>explicitly says he went through the motions but resolved never to kill for them
>>63751459
>schemata for a fucking man-made planet
you bet it would be bigger than one tb senpai
>>63751703
is that a new alien
>>63754470
nah he just watched ANH, then ripped it off
>tfw you managed to get a highly critical review of TFA through by wording it carefully so that normies upvote it
>2015
>still believing that mankind will colonize space
>still thinking that 'science' fiction is anything but fedora level retarded fantasy
Jesus Christ will return long before mankind ever gets to leave this solar system, and everyone will be judged according to their deeds
>>63754145
The First Order is a joke compared to the Empire because they don't have Sheev
Entire Empire crumbling just because they lost Emperor and Death Star allways seemed prettu dumb desu.
>>63750362
>waah my Not!RevanCaedus nephew apprentice killed all my other apprentices, better go into hiding :((
>>63750222
These kinds of questions can be answered in the sequels.
Honestly, I think this is the film we need right now. The prequels all tried to tell a galactic soapopera but just fell flat on its face. JJ wants to tell a smaller story and reassure the fans (and make guaranteed bank)- hence he remade episode 1.
Nothing new here, but plenty of unanswered questions, just like it was supposed to. We have five more Star Wars movies coming up, all the questions will be answered in those
>>63750222
These are space Nazis we are talking about. Of course they are going to have manpower and a great economy, because they are were right all along.
>>63750362
It was probably the other way around, maybe witnessing all the jedi he was training die brought him really close to the dark side so he chose to fuck off to butt fuck no where to ensure the fact that he wouldn't destroy everyone
Lucas said they didn't use any of the material he gave them when he sold. What material will they use? What kind of story arc will the next movies have or will they just be rehash?
>>63750887
Gotta have something bigger than the Death Star, even if it doesn't make sense :^)
>yfw TFA is hailed as the best movie ever by normies for the next 5 years
>>63750758
>Just turn your brain off
:^)
>Instant travel from anywhere in the galaxy to any point, and there's still uncharted parts of it?
The universe is a pretty big place, you know.
>>63751090
The story and characters were fine in the prequels.
It was the script and dialogue that was ass.
>>63755175
Rebuild starkiller maybe?
They kind of blew their load already, and they can't seriously expect us to believe the First Order can build an even deadlier sector destroying weapon without getting shanked by the Republic
>>63755175
ep 8 will start with the resistance hiding away on a snow planet when the first order suddenly attacks with AT-ATs
>>63755175
in ep IX there will be an even BIGGER starkiller, still in construction though
>>63750711
It's gay how easy it is to brainstorm new ideas and questions just by reading message boards, yet this extremely expensive movie has none.
By reading your post, I asked myself what if the empire destroyed Alderaan not just as a political show of force, but to create a high quality resource rich asteroid field to satisfy their growing needs?
May not fit in a movie, but there are thousands of interesting ideas like these within reach.
>>63755368
This.
The expanded universe stuff for the prequels, made with people who can actually write, it pretty good
>>63754470
Of course he did.
Can't masturbate the audience and the OT without making fun of the prequels.
>>63754475
I don't know why you would call neutron degeneracy pressure "radiation pressure", but whatever.
>Reminder: Star Wars is space magicland. Real world physics doesn't apply.
And? The Death Star works because the power source isn't specified. It's a reactor, working with some sort of energy source to provide the beam.
However, a weapon using starts to have problems because many viewers know something about stars and somewhat how they work. It's about suspension of disbelief, and once you pull in a star as a source, then that becomes much harder. If they didn't specify it, these problems would be much less visible.
>>63754778
Jesus Christ will give humanity spaceships.
Screenshot this post.
>>63755036
>wants to tell a smaller story
>main character is a mary sue who knows everyone
>evil alien guy that has a solar system destroying weapon
>smaller
>>63755175
They're going to use ep5 and Thrawn
Episode 9 is episode 6 and the Yuuzhan Vong
>>63755536
He was talking about stars that are destined to become neutron stars. Before they collapse, they are held up by radiation pressure.
>>63751090
What people want is not realism, what they want is consistency, learn the difference you retard.
>>63750671
>Same with Star Trek, were Spock was beeing able to visually see his planet beeing destroyed, while beeing on another planet in another system
JJ claimed that it was a psychic projection and he wasn't actually seeing Vulcan with his naked-eye.
How likely is it that the fans will start calling JJ Abrams Jar Jar Abrams? Anybody know if the next director is any good? I haven't seen any of his movies.
>>63750222
None of it made sense. JJ just put some stuff in there that looked cool. I mean, it's not like Star Wars is niche anymore. Normies aren't going to look into the science. Star Wars is now for the casual moviegoer, children, and tumblrinas thanks to muh diversity./pol/ was right as always
The only thing that can save the franchise is if Luke is confirmed evil in the third film
Just got back from watching it.
Jesus Christ what a shitshow.
Lucas is behind this, I fucking know it.
He knew everybody hates him for how he raped the original with the prequels, so he went "oh you think I'm a shitty writer huh, well feast your eyes on THIS"
(probably not, but that's how I imagine it went)
>>63755732
Star wars was never about science, because the very premise of the force is mystical and fantastic.
>>63755596
Small for Star Wars.
Prequels had dozens of world, locations etc. This felt like an overall smaller movie, and at this point having a planet destroying weapon is run of the mill.
>mary sue
Yep, but that's not really anything about the scale
I was most impressed bythe fact that those spoilers that were floating around months ago were pretty much beat for beat true on every level.i'll admit that i had big doubts about how authentic those spoilers were, as they read like a fan fic retread of the original New Hope
This death star seemed more hollow than the last one.
i'd have to assume the only road block would be figuring out how to get so close to a star to begin with. then it's basically a case of erecting scaffolding around it. that's all it looked like considering how it toppled so easily
>>63755665
My bad, misinterpreted that post it seems. My point about suspension of disbelief still stands though.
>>63755818
>as they read like a fan fic retread of the original New Hope
And that is exactly what you should've expected from JJ Abrams after Star Trek 2009.
>>63755818
those spoilers where actually better they detailed the ending as luke revealed to rey she was her daughter, and she embraced her destiny as becoming a balance to the force. that was a better ending than this shit.
>>63755848
That's because it was so much less of a presence.
The original blew up a planet which had emotional connections for one of the characters, and it felt like an actual threat, with Kenobi saying how he felt it etc.
This death star was blown up with plans taken from a regular stormtrooper on sewage disposal duty.
It feels really fucking impotent. It destroyed a system we'd never heard of, for some reason, then did nothing but be destroyed. Really bad use of a weapon
If you think about it the first order won.
>>63754320
Just rewatched ROTJ and they have won, defeated Sheev and Vader, destroyed the Death Star and the Imperial fleet.
The Thrawn trilogy had some cringe stuff in it but the depiction of what would happen after Endor was based. Empire driven back, divided by infighting and New Republic takes over.
>>63755975
>that was a better ending than this shit.
it's quite likely that they cut it. it may seem better but actually having a big expository dialogue scene at the end of a film is the kiss of death.
the movie is really a trainwreck in artistic terms, even if it has moments where it is entertaining.
When they talk about balance in the force, is it number of force users on each side? Or the power each side has regardless of numbers?
>>63756106
>starkiller destroyed
>Lukes location continues to be unknown
>the resistance and republic still stand
How is this a victory
>>63750362
>Also we now have 2 jedi for 1 lightsaber
Where does the lightsaber come from btw? Is it ever explained?
Because last time we saw it, it fell into a gas giant.
>>63754885
>Entire Empire crumbling just because they lost Emperor and Death Star allways seemed prettu dumb desu.
Think back carefully to the original trilogy. It all happened in a span of, probably, less than a decade.
One of the first things we learn about the political situation in Star Wars is that the Emperor has only recently dissolved the Senate. Up until that point, the Imperial military and government were the military and government of the Old Republic. The Rebel Alliance is led by people like galactic Senators, and planetary aristocrats such as Princess Leia. By the end, we learn that the Emperor is an evil sorcerer with mind-control powers.
The Empire wouldn't "crumble" when the evil mind-controller dies, and when an alliance of its old leaders defeats its military. It would come to its senses, and be governed by its senate again, especially with another mind-controlling sorcerer (Luke) working to restore the old order.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAOX_CHU0JY
>this is still relevant
>>63756273
its like loosing an aircraft carrier after droping the atomic bombs.. who cares
>>63750222
shut up and give us more sheckles goy
>>63754581
I assume he went through a life-long bootcamp type scenario, which he excelled at, but then didn't kill anyone.
He must have been trained with that weapon that the storm trooper he fights with a lightsaber uses. That would explain how he can use the lightsaber to a limited extent.
>>63754581
what this really means is that he had all his important character building, and character arc before the movie even started. Bravo Nolan
>>63756237
In the originals I got the impression that the dark side was the imbalance, and that's why sidious dying and Vader becoming good/dying brought balance again, since there were no dark side force users any more
Actually the Starkiller already existed. It was built by the CiS, and was the prototype for the Death Star.
It was simply modified to target hyperspace points in reverse, ie; pulling with a negative charge instead of a positive one.
Source: Expanded Universe.
>>63757246
>In the originals
>sidious dying
The prophecy about "bringing balance to the force" wasn't in the originals. That's pure midichlorians.
>>63750222
pretty sure they called a hyperspace laser at some point in the movie
>>63751113
>escape a nerve-wrecking war to live on a jungle country, looking for religious artifacts with your butt buddies and banging a qt 3.14 black woman
Hitler had a good life
>>63751765
I get diversity, but did they need to make Finn a pussy and Ray a Mary-Sue? The only interesting new character from that debacle was Poe Dameron, obviously the movie should've been about him, ironically though, he's the white male
>>63752642
You know it's really sad when the 1986 Transformers film not only had better characters than Force Awakens, it also had a better story
>>63754756
>tfw you managed to tear Force Awakens apart to an important news website
Even if they cut all the stuff I said I can at least say that it felt good tearing it apart and have it recorded
>>63750562
It's established in episode III deleted scenes that Bail Organa and Mon Mothma were the progenitors of the Rebellion, both of whom were on cordial terms with Yoda and the Jedi Order as a whole. This isn't even obscure EU shit. This shit is pottery, in that it rhymes.
>>63750433
It's convenient to the plot
>>63755777
Why do you still hold on to your hatred anon? That's not the Jedi way. Hating George Lucas is the path to the dark side.
Why were the planets so bland? Generic desert outpost with completely earth-like buildings. Generic forest planet with one building kind of alien looking. Snow planet with just snow. And they didn't do anything about Luke's hideout at the end, literally earth structures with no change whatsoever.
You're all talking about this like it isn't a fantasy universe where anything can happen for the convenience of the plot.
Fucking nerds.
So is this movie worse than "attack of the clones"?
>>63760974
DUDE TURN UR BRAIN OFF AND HAVE FUN
COME ON BRUH JUST ENJOY YOURSELF LMAO
>>63760936
>Why was a cash-in movie uncreative
You do realize the only person left with the power to make a new Star Wars movie that actually might have a passion for telling a Star Wars story, was George Lucas, right?
I mean yeah, he was lazy and cut way too many corners, but at least he was mildly interested in actually making a movie, instead of it being purely a corporate job handed down to him, even during the prequels.
>>63761046
Do you nitpick fairy tales? No? You don't read fairy tales cause they're kiddie shit?
Then why the fuck are you watching Star Wars?
>>63761016
>That webm
>Last few frames aren't the spoiler
I was genuinely surprised
Also, nothing can be worse than Attack of the Clones until you let it fester.
>>63761103
>Doesn't nitpick fairy tales if they are shiftily constructed.
If something doesn't follow the rules of story telling, it's not a good story. It's that simple.
If someone gets paid to write a story, the bare minimum should be that the story follows basic logic.
>>63761103
You know that whole "science" word in the term science fiction/science fantasy?
It means that things need to operate on some sort of reality.
TFA is on par with "timey wimey wibbly wobbly stuff" in terms of explaining anything.
>>63761195
And what are the rules of story telling? Who wrote them?
>>63761203
Star Wars isn't science fiction.
I wonder what you fucks would say if the Illiad had been written in 2015.
>Dsiney plans to release a new Star Wars film every year
All hope lost
>>63761262
Dude just turn ur brain off lmao stop hating fun bruh
>>63761262
>Who wrote the rules of story telling?
Oh wow. You can't be real. Have a nice day.
>>63761349
Wonderful rebuttal.
>>63750362
because Kyloand Rey, his own childturned to the dark side and with the knights of ren destroyed everything he'd set out to achieve, so he went into self-imposed exile.Rey had her memory wiped and was left on Jakku. the next movies will be her gradual discovery of her past and her return to the dark side. Kylo (Ben) will return to the light.
>>63761363
I'm as real as the tantalizing smell of fresh hot pocket wafting down the basement steps from your mother's kitchen.
If you're going to invoke the so-called rules of storytelling (on the basis of their simplicity no less) I expect a recitation, an explanation, and a reason as to why the mysterious author of said rules is apparently the final authority on the matter.
>>63750222
Also How does ONE SHOT split into many when it reaches it's system to destroy many planets at once.
Also why didn't the Rebels FLT crusiers into the Planet to kill it? Since the shield obviously doesn't protect against FLT craft.
Why not load a ship with nukes and send it to the planet with droid pilots?
>there will never be another self-contained star wars movie
FUCK CLIFFHANGERS
This bugged me too, OP, a lot.So the Starkiller weapon fires as it was a beam of energy, but when the same "beam" reaches another star system in a matter of seconds, it diverges and starts behaving as if it were a projectile. So what the fuck is it ? I'd get projectiles turning into beams but not the other way around.
And in all seriousness,why the fuck does Kyle-o Ren wear the fucking mask ?
Other than that, I was very pleasantly surprised. I loved the film and I'm even considering watching it again in a few days.
Is it true we're going to have another Episode every year?
>>63750222
Is there a torrent of this shit yet?
>>63761621
He wears it because he's a Vader fanboy.
>>63761407
this actually sounds really nice
hope this is the case in the sequels
but why would rey go to the darkside
>>63761262
Okay, actually I'll make an actual reply (>>63761363 here).
As for Star Wars not being Sci-Fi: You are correct, it has nothing to do with Science Fiction, unless people thing Science Fiction is a setting instead of a genre.
But you really have to understand that if the world you set an adventure/mystery story in has no grounded rules, if it doesn't follow the basic rules of logic, then the adventure/mystery is just broken. The entire concept of adventure and mystery relies on you being able to put yourself in the characters' shoes.
What would YOUR reaction be if someone told you that somehow a renegade imperial faction that only a small fraction of the Republic was dealing with to this point managed to repurpose and entire planet into a functional superweapon that outperforms the Death Star, the single most potent and dangerous weapon in galactic history. And they did this without it becoming public knowledge and a target for everyone.
Your first reaction would probably be that a whole myriad of people managed to fuck up on such a colossal level that it's indescribable, while at the same time, people in the First Order managed to casually out do every military force in recorded history, with limited if not minimal resources, compared to the fucking Empire that had access to literally the entire Galaxy's stockpile on everything and still barely managed those two lesser stations, yet everyone knew about them being constructed since day one, despite the Empire also having total control over everything, so should be the best at keeping secrets.
It shouldn't make sense whatsoever. It should sound like someone's pulling your leg. Your first reaction should be. "Oh fuck off. That's utter bullshit" and go back to your business. Not take up arms to find and destroy it.
The appaerence of this weapon is on the level of someone announcing that Adolf Hitler just showed up with a deathsquad from the past with Die Glocke in tow.
The author is common sense.
>>63755777
>Lucas
No son it's Hollywood.
Notice how all the new remakes of the old stuff are happening?
They just did that to Star Wars and no one noticed.
They literally remade Star Wars Episode 4 named it 7 and said this is years after 6!
So now they get to SJW the cast, they get to design new things to look EXACTLY like old things but slightly different!
It's a masterful deceit!
It's literally Star Trek 2009! They did the same thing. Except in Star Trek they said this is crazy science fiction so we can invent time lines! Old time line is over now boys, we now new time line.
Star Wars doesn't give time lines but it has TIME! So what do we do. We move time forward exactly as many years as the actors aged. BAM new everything. We can cast anyone!
But JJ was like hmmm fans didn't like my Star Trek original plot don't steal.
Maybe if I remade New Hope!
>>63761621
he wears it to satisfy his vader fetish
>>63761697
How did they remake New Hope?
>>63761802
The Force Awakens is a remake of A New Hope.
Jesus christ cant you nerds turn your autistic brains off for 2 hours and enjoy the fucking STAR WARS MOVIE 30 YEARS IN THE MAKING for fucks sake?
>>63761876
Paying homage is not the same as remaking.
>>63761876
Some anon earlier explained how it has the whole "random guy on a desert planet finds a message in a robot to go on adventure, team up with han solo and chick and blow up the (not) Death Star."
Is it really that obvious? What am I missing?
btw who was the old guy poe was talking with on jakku at the start of the movie?
>>63761906
>I know people who will use this "argument" non-ironically in real life
it hurts to live anon
>>63761876
And do you know what? I dont give a shit
i enjoyed it, a solid 7.5/10
no need to be contrarian
>>63761930
>>63761931
Entire plot explained/compared to A New Hope. It's far more than paying homage. And I guarantee you, this picture is entirely accurate.
>>63761906
This isnt a 30 year master peice, abrams himself claimed he rewrote the script in 6 months.
>>63750362
>Also we now have 2 jedi for 1 lightsaber
You're a fucking retard.
>>63761987
Okay? Someone asked how the movie is a remake of A New Hope and I answered. I didn't give any opinion on the movie, why would I be a contrarian? I don't care if you don't give a shit, that's not relevant to my post at all.
>>63750222
FUCK OFF SHILL
>>63762008
There is exactly one inaccuracy by my count.I don't remember them confirming that Rey is Luke's kid, only implying.
>>63762008
Pretty much it, exceptit's not confirmed she's Luke's daughter.
>>63761980
I didnt mean to trigger you I was just posting sry
>>63762070
I dearly hope that they were trying to imply that, otherwise it will not be a surprise at all.
>>63762070
>>63762114True, there's no true confirmation, but it's heavily implied. Passing the lightsaber on, saying it's Rey's turn to use it now. Rey being the one to go to Luke all alone. But yes, it's just implications for now. Still a very accurate picture.
>>63755111
Excellent question!
Pre-order your IMAX tickets for 2017 to find out! May the Force be with you!
Whats Reys midichlorian count>
LITERALLY LITERALLY A NEW HOPE FOR 2015
BRAVO JJ
>>63755423
No the AT-ATs will instead be eight-legged tanks twice as big as the original AT-ATs and black.
They'll call them DP-DP's.
Were the Knights of Ren the orderthat Luke establishedor were they something else ?
>>63762213
Something else.
>>63761987
I like how this anon basically said "you know what? I'm a moron! No need to be contrarian!"
Please, the buzzwords. Do people on here only know how to speak in buzzwords?
>>63761697
At least they didn't make Captain Kirk a black dude or a woman because Star Trek had too many white guys.
>>63750971
What do you think happens whenever peasant leftists take over a country?
>>63762255
Stop tipping your fedora so aggressively, you're making a breeze.
Anyone worried how the fuck they're going to do the rest of the films? If it's just a rehash of defeating the Empire, then I might as well not watch it, since I've seen that already.
What will happen when the Dark Side takes over the galaxy? What next?
How will the force play into the movies? What is this awakening? Will there be more Jedi/Sith? Foreshadowing of Great Sith/Jedi factions?
Right now, in the direction that JJ Abrams movie is going, it just seems like they have no clue what the fuck they're doing. They just played it safe so they don't receive the blame when the next Hollywood shill releases the next movie.
>where were you when you witnessed the death of ORIGINAL and UNIQUE pottery?
>>63750222
Do you think Mike enjoyed the movie?
Or has the alcoholism dulled his childlike innocence away?
>>63760613
Nah, it was basically shit except for Galvatron BTFO Starscream.
>>63750971
The Republic probably relaxed and thought that with Sheev's death and the Death Star's destruction, the rest of the Empire would commit sepuku and disappear. Which it obviously didn't.
This happens in history quite often. You see countless glorious "revolutions" which end in establishing regimes even worse than the predecessors.
>>63755715
Good enough director, mediocre writer.
Better than J.J. but he's never been tested on large projects like J.J.
>>63761697
We're in the era of the ReSequel.
Jurassic World and The Force Awakens are essentially remakes with tweaks to make them work as sequels.
Same with Lady Ghostbusters.
We'll get a Back To The Future remake that is about McFly's grandkids or some shit soon.
>>63761802
Decently I have to say. But as the man from the OP picture put it.
https://youtu.be/RiHnqv098LY?t=16m20s
Look at 16m20s
So let's take all the characters
>Rey
Luke was a farmboy coudn't do shit became a pilot did shit. Later master Jedi.
Now Rey can fight, fly and force with no before hand training WHAT SO EVER!
>Maz Kanata
Yoda knew shit about you with the force, this granny can SEE YOUR EYES! Knows everything about you! Also a 1000 years old!
>Supreme Leader Snoke
Emperor was this deformed old man with strong powers. Liked to appear in holorams all the time.
SNOKE IS A 50 METER TALL HOLOGRAM OF A DEFORMED BABY ALIEN IN DARK ROBES
>General Hux
The old guy was not afraid of Vader and only took orders from the Emperor
A super duper cocky I ain't taking your shit general that fighters over Snokes love with Kyle
>Kylo Ren
Anakin was this dark menacing overlord that had no remorse or feelings but after 3 movies turned out to be a conflicted father that had no idea he had 2 kids that were alive.
Kylo Ren is NOW BADASS THAT TURNS INTO A WHINY TEEN with tempper tatrums because hes being pulled back by his love for his parents but he kills he father because EDGE
>BB-8
R2-D2 was this cute robot that had a mission and help in several ways. He is still a robot.
BB-8 is now an super unique one of a kid cute super duper robot that has actual emotions and inteligence and trusts people!
>Poe Dameron
Han solo was a wise cracking take no shit guy, Finn can't fill that role this guy is the new Han Solo and takes no shit from no one.
>Finn
Finn an actually new character wow.
>>63762508
At least Jurassic World is actually sensible but yeah both movies are literally people building New Park / Super weapons of the EXACT same kind and for a start it's working but then it horribly dies in a fire.
>>63761641
Main entries only every two years, filler inbetween.
We animu now family
>>63762008
One part is wrong, in episode IV Obiwan was Uncle Ben, they had known eachother for a long time.
>>63761694
>The entire concept of adventure and mystery relies on you being able to put yourself in the characters' shoes
You seem to have an extremely limited view on this matter. You also continue invoking "basic rules" and "common sense" in lieu of an actual argument.
What are we even arguing about exactly? You're mad because the movie doesn't every single little nitpicky question? You can't fill in the blanks yourself and go with it for the sake of the greater story, which is only beginning to unfold? I mean I'll certainly concede that they could have done a better job making this one more standalone without recycling the superweapon plot or teasing us with obvious shit to come. That mystery box approach really aggravates me. Hackneyed plot convenience? Sure. But I don't think it's some grave violation of the rules of storytelling. Sometimes you just have to go with it for the sake of the greater theme. Hardly a foreign concept for Star Wars.
>>63763645
He wasn't "Uncle Ben", he was "Old Ben Kenobi". He was just some guy Luke knew about, not a close family friend or something.
>>63762008
Rey never talks to Lars San Tekka. The place the first order destroys is not rey's hometown. Luke knew Ben for more than a few hours. We don't know whether or not Snoke is a Sith Lord.
Also this says nothing about Finn, who was a good 50% of the movie.
No question there are shades of IV, but calling it a remake is downright misleading to people who haven't seen it yet.
>>63760558
>spic
>white male
Jorge pls go
>>63762314
Again you just only speak in memes that other people have made up.
It must be sad not having your own personality.
I don't own a fedora.
>>63752642
YOU'VE GOT
>>63763726
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wJa1L1ZCqU
You were right, but they still seem really familiar with who he is and his history all togheter.
>>63755285
>The universe is a pretty big place, you know.
But the galaxy isn't according to J.J
Yet there's still uncharted part of it.
>>63764072
In our galaxy, there are 200 billion to 1 trillion stars.
Our world only has about 7 billion people in it, and essentially instant global communication, yet nobody's got a list of all of the people.
>>63750758
>Instant travel from anywhere in the galaxy to any point
That's not how it works in either the original trilogy or the prequels. Hyperspace travel is fast, but it's not instant.
>>63754581
So this malicious militant group that trains child soldiers never bothered during lifelong training to acertain whether recruits have a problem killing?
>>63762508
>We'll get a Back To The Future remake
Not on my fuckin' watch
They have won.... it's over im chopping my dick off now... men are obsolete...
>>63762742
>At least Jurassic World is actually sensible
Frog DNA.
Fucking frog DNA.
>sensible
>>63754801
who the fuck is sheev
I'm going gay just to spite women now... I fucking hate them they have ruined not only terminator, but now star wars to the point of no fucking fixing it.
>>63750971
The Republic is corrupted. Snoke is actually a member of the Senate and has a large influence, like Palpatine had. He tricked the Senate into slowing the total destruction of the Empire, that's why the Resistance was created and supported by Leia.
>>63764297
Fuck that, we will never let women take control again, they were in charge in medieval times and we all know how that ended.
Say what you want, but Iliterally cried in the theater when Han dies. I knew it was going to happen, but that doesn't make it any better when it did.
>>63764675
Please lets end the matriarchy together, come be my gay waifu
>>63751796
Killing him would probably drive Luke to tje Dark Side. I bet Luke kinds of blame himself for Vader's death, he surely will blame himself too for those young jedis and Solo's death. That's why he's retired, he's spiritually recovering so he can face the New Order.
>>63764434
Don't forget Ghostbusters.
>>63750222
its a fucking movie
Does Jay care about Star Wars?
>>63764798
OH MY FUCKING FUCK I DID FORGET THOSE BITCHES
>>63764901
IT PRINTS MONEY
anyone hopes that Finn is the true hero of the series. I mean there's gotta be some reason a random nigga, can use a lightsaber without without any training and not cut his arm off.
Finn's gotta be force sensitive or something.
>>63762008
So, not ANH, but ANH and ESB smashed together.
>>63764938
REMINDER
http://webmup.com/bc019/vid.webm
>>63750222
Ahh yes, Reddit Letter Media!
The movie "critics" for people who don't really watch movies because they are "too busy" playing video games and watching animu.
But hey, LE STAR WARS PREQUELS SUCK XDDD right?
>>63765422
BURN IT WITH FIRE!!
>>63750498
Yoda was a wanted criminal and the Empire was actively trying to hunt him down tbf
>>63750534
>Kylo Ren wanted to retrieve the plans from the droid
>plans from the droid
Wait, seriously? Again? Are the writers really that lazy?
>>63765538
So is Luke... Your point?
>>63750433
didnt he say he was a janitor or something, and that was the first time he got sent out into the field?
