I thought that Kylo trying hard to become more like Vader, but essentially lacking everythyng that made Vader so badass was good. It made him more fun as a character. he essentially is edgy teenager who rebelled against his parents and joined bad guys only with super jedi powerd

>>63744766
You know that whiny bitch ass called Kylo? That's you.

>>63744867
What do you mean by this?

>>63744766

Yeah i thought it made for great viewing, how easily it came to Rey and how much that infuriated Ren who is a complete mess

>>63744899
Essentially her being a Mary Sue type character is justified by the plot. She gets the force while Kylo doesn't. Hence her being stronger

I was totally fine with Rey being more Force-sensitive than Ren, and I fucking LOVED it when the lightsaber flew past Ren's hand and landed in Rey's.

That being said, I was NOT okay with Rey being a superior lightsaber fighter than Ren. The fuck was that shit?

I think the problem is that they didnt get a single guy for the entire new series, now each director wants their movie to have somewhat of an ending.

It would've been so much better if Kylo just tore them a new one and they only survive because the ground gets separated. Kylo leaves furious and Rey goes to training

>>63744975

Even Finn got a hit. Pathetic, a fucking stormtrooper landed a hit on him. Imagine that happening to Vader. His entire aura is gone now

>>63744766
Getting BLACKED by Finn wouldve been more original than the rehashed shitfest we got.

>>63744975
I think it shows that anger and the ways of the dark side aren't really making Kylo better at using force and sword fighting. Remember how emperor said to Luke in the jedi that anger helped him to become more effective fighter, this shows that although anger CAN make you stronger, the true jedi way is WAY more storng

>>63744975
>>63745011
Yeah. So easy to fix that scene, too. Just have Rey punch/kick Ren really hard in his wound. Solved.
Instead we got McConaughey chest-slaps for like two seconds and then nothing.

>>63745073
Luke was trained. Rey barely fought off two thugs with a fucking stick and then managed to literally defeat Ren. No fucking way.

>>63744766
>>63745073
Its been stated many times throughout the movies that the dark side helps you learn faster and is therefore more seductive.

How would Kylo, having trained in the dark side for a while, lose to Rey who doesnt tap into the dark side and has 0 experience?

She shouldnt be able to use the force so well. She should have been as crappy as Luke was when he was training with Yoda.

>>63745011
To be fair Kylo was experiencing some emotional fuck ups after killing Han and the fact that he has been shot didn't help either, but it actually showed that Kylo isn't that skillful fighter. It's true regular stormtrooper would never harm Vader regardless of his condition, but Kylo isn't Vader. He WANTS to be Vader desperetaly but essentially he is just a pussy. That's what makes his character interesting to watch in my opinion

>>63744766
Its just too much in my opinion

Did you ever flew a ship like that? No, but ill try my best! *justworkjustworkjustwork*
>performs insane moves with a ship 4x times as big as her pursuer, who are trained pilots and probably fly that ship every day.

I have no problem with her being a good lightsabber fighter, since she already fought with a stick. I guess that are similiar moves.
But i think Kylo could have beat her, like he beat Fin, with the crossbar. There was an identical situation

>first time trying to use the force
>doesnt work 3 times, without the stormtrooper reporting
>then suddenly it works
I mean you could argue that kylo used the force against her and that she "felt what she had to do"
I guess im all in all fine with this, her mother better be some super smart crazy jedi

>>63744975
>The fuck was that shit?

Didnt you see her weapon at the beginning and how she fought with it?
Think that helped a lot.

>>63745135

Not to mention the fact that Luke fucking Skywalker trained Kylo. How shit were the other students of Luke that he killed off ffs

>>63745247

She barely beat random duneniggers

>Kylo is bleeding prufesly from the blaster wound
>Is an emotional disaster after just killing his dad
>Not in any state to be fighting someone, even If they aren't properly trained.
>YOOOOOO HOW FINN GET A HIT ON HIM?
>Beats Finn despite disadvantage, is now physically exhausted and in more pain from the glances that Finn landed
>YOOOOOO HOW REY MANAGE TO BEAT HIM?

>>63745204

>performs insane moves with a ship 4x times as big as her pursuer, who are trained pilots and probably fly that ship every day.

Yeah and Luke had a lot of training of space battles and flying before him smashing tie fighters in falcon and then later being a part of attack on the death star

>>63744766
>absolutely plain and expressionless face, little better than a cheap frying pan
>flat as a chessboard
>devoid of any feminine traits
>confirmed for a shit actor

At least Boyega was legitimately good

>>63745278
>barely
>implying
she rekt them withing 10seconds and it was 2 on 1

>>63745289

He could literally force push them both to death

>yoda gives advice to luke who has been trying to use the force for years
>luke is already able to move the xwing, but can't completely lift it
>mary rey sue learned about the force 15 minutes earlier

you're right op. completely the same thing.

>>63744975
Ren was hurt from the blaster and the fight with Fin. Also, there are theories about Rey being amnesia-jedi. And we know that Rey is at least a somewhat capable fighter.

>>63745315

Maybe Luke should've just sent Kylo to fight peasants with a stick instead of training him to fight with a lightsaber, it did fuck all for him

>>63745135
Rey has false memory
>Rey
>Reyvan
>Revan

It's grill Revan. Intensify her mary-sue level.

>>63745297
>Biggs literally says luke is the best bush pilot in outer rim when Red leader asks if luke can handle it.
>also can't shake a TIE on his 6, has to be saved by wedge

>>63745355
>the best explanation that fans can come up with for obvious plot holes is amnesia

wow. a new low

>>63745330
The whole point of his character that he is a shitty Vader wannabe edgelord who learned a few jedi tricks and know thinks he's awesome.. He gets his ass handed to him by the first force sensitive character he encounters

>>63745386

>Revan

That would be way too badass. Why go with a tiny girl though :(

>yfw Mal(ak) appears and bows before Rey in the next movie

>>63745289
>Is an emotional disaster after just killing his dad
>>63745156
>emotional fuck ups after killing Han

Am I the only one who thinks that it didnt affect him?
Whatever he said on the bridge was just acted, so its easier to kill Han.
He just wants to be like Vader and killing his father is a welcome move to get further on the dark side.

>>63745411
It is an established thing in the EU (not canon, I know), so it's not that far fledged. Also, casuals love the amnesia-twist, so it's very bankable.

>>63745419

The first force sensitive characters he encountered were all the other students of Luke that he killed

Luke has no criteria for his students, like at all

>>63745464
reminder that the EU isnt canon, so they can use the storylines of the EU for their own movies.

>>63745468

We can only assume what happened there. We've only seen one glimpse where he was literally stabbing someone in the back while surrounded by a lot of supporters..
His fight with Rey is his first one on one against the force user as far as we know

>>63744979
>It would've been so much better if Kylo just tore them a new one and they only survive because the ground gets separated. Kylo leaves furious and Rey goes to training

this is how easy it is to not be shit at writing

just be like this guy and not be fucking retarded

>>63745355

Maybe it was Rey who killed all of the other Padwans when she was a child? I can see that being the big tweeeest in VIII.

His biggest fear is that he will never be as strong as Vader and so it seems to be true

>>63744766

Does rey carry around a little tub of hair gel to make those things on the sides of her head?

God is she hideous.

>>63745539
>episode VIII starts with Luke pulling the light saber to him and attacking rey

might make this movie worth it

>>63745539

It's dumb, but hey I thought that main villain being a son of our former heroes was dumb as well. It is pretty obvious to me that Rey is also a Skywalker offspring.. She has to be either a twin sister muh pottery or a cousin of Kylo, so I can see it happening. at least they might reveal that she didn't participate in betrayal but was present at that place during that time and then forgot

>>63745011
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not because people believe you, but IT *DID* HAPPEN TO VADER, YOU FUCKING SWINE

>>63745592
cutest thing i ever read, CUTE!

How does this scene play out? I can understand it if she just does it instinctively as the power is within her but if she tried it again consciously absolutely nothing would happen.

>>63745592
dunno but this hairstyle is chav af

>>637449675
Isn't his mother Leia?
Shit writing desu familya

>>63744766
Why did they choose such an ugly and unfeminine actress?

>>63745649
Maz actually told her earlier to close her eyes and let the force in

>>63745649
Earlier in the movie she touches lukes lightsaber which sort of unlocks shit in her brain which hints towards her having a memory wipe, you see her as an adult in many fighting type situations, and her remembering herself in them

Yet nobody ever mentions this

She's clearly trained under luke for like a decade and had a memory wipe for some reason, she was always reflex trained, it's how she was so good with her stick

>>63745678
Have you ever seen a female military person? They're not big DD tits tiny waist and long flowing perfect hair, they're manly looking as fuck. She's meant to be a dirty poor scavenger, not space porn star

>>63745709
Maybe she actually sees parts of the future

>Yesterday
>Everyone says how mediocre the movie is and that it's just a rehash

>Today
>Everyone raves about how good the movie actually is

What the fuck is going on? I'm confused.

>>63745454
God, how lame would that be.

>entire character reduced to DURRRRR ME LIKEY SHINEY HELMENTMANS

>>63745733
She's supposed to be new generation princess Leia.

At least Leia looked feminine and Fisher, unlike Shitley, could act

>>63745754
americans got to watch it

>>63745709
Holy shit, she really is Revan.

>>63745754
Just one word, anon

/tv/

>>63745754
the shills finally got their paychecks

>>63745386
u dumb, that guy was a part of vaders private tie fighter squad, vader is the best pilot ever, and luke is his son.

It stands to reason that tie guy was exceptional

>>63745754
Because it was mostly the fat sweaty cynical neckbeards who seen it first.

>>63745204
just like anakin on the ships from naboo, the skywalkers are insane jedis.

>>63745754
The movie isn't even out yet in America.

>>63744979
this would have been so much better

adam driver is so good at the psycho stuff, finn could've used one of those stormtrooper shock hammer things from earlier

so sad this didn't happen

Rey is Luke's daughter. Duh. Probably kylo killed the mom and Luke hid her and himself

>>63744766
Because it's "DESTINY" faggotry. I hate when characters just have some 'inner power', shit's boring.

>>63745135
Because it's a cheap rip-off, nothing makes sense. The 9-year old immaculately conceived Anakin was considered too old to begin Jedi training, of course even a comatose Kylo would realistically leave that biatch impaled with her black dildo through the ass.

>>63745156
>essentially a pussy
why is everyone saying this? kylo is pretty sturdy as a person imo

>crazy force powers (kind of negated by rey suddenly becoming even more OP but remains impressive) can stop bullets and shit
>best lightsabre in the fucking game
>lives day to day under huge pressure from snoke as master, hux probably trying to have him removed all the time also
>commands armies
>so savage that he made luke quit
>kills his own dad
>shot with bowcaster and carries on fighting

>>63745754
Shills at full force

>>63745993
>why is everyone saying this?

because most of the people discussing the movie haven't actually seen it yet

>>63745993
Kylo lost all the intimidation he had the moment the took off his mask and showed his ugly mug.

>>63745330
Like he literally did a few moments before to Rey
This movie has some shit logic

>>63745386
luke being good in an x wing was still dumb

>flies a hovercraft around a desert planet chasing rats

it's like if a kid that was really good at gokarting was suddenly thrust into an f16 for the air force

I fucking guarantee Rey had her mind wiped, she was trained, she survived Kylos order 66 when they killed everyone at the new jedi academy, and will duel to death in ep9. Also most likely shes Lukes daughter or maybe even Leias.

>Shit, I'm bound by these shackles, wtf am I supposed to do?
>Oh that's right, I'll just use a Jedi Mind Trick™ on that stormtrooper, like Obi-Wan in A New Hope!! Man, I loved that movie


>Oh fuck, I'm about to die, Kylo's gonna fuck me up now!
>Hmm, the force? oh yes, I must concentrate, focus, just like Master Yoda taught Luke in Empire! A luminous being am I, not this crude matter.

Damn, I wanted to love this movie, ended up really liking it, but really, J.J/Kasdan/Arndt?

>>63746053
Luke was good at piloting anything because he was extremely strong in The Force like Anakin.

>>63746053
The Force was with him.

Kylo instantly knocks out Rey with a force push to tree
Finn gets pissed and fights him with lightsaber
Finn hits his shoulder
Kylo is pissed and fucks finn up
Tries to grab saber
Rey uses for to grab saber
Kylo is still beating her like he beats finn
Rey closes her eyes lets the force in(apparently before when she used the force to grab the saber she wasn't letting it in)
Rey dominates Kylo and fucks his shit up

This movie is fucking stupid
Anyone defending this scene is a shill

>>63745993
>kind of negated by rey suddenly becoming even more OP but remains impressive

>kind of
>suddendly
Nah mate. Kylo is a joke that let rey wander in his mind while he failed to do the same with her

I would have been even okay with it, but then he got his ass handed even in sword fencing

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>>63746067
Or Luke AND Leia's mmmmm yeahhh

>>63746053
It's the Force at work bro. Either you like it or you don't but it's a central aspect of Star Wars and its protagonists.

>>63745073
Look at her face when she fights. What emotion would you describe it best by?

>>63746113
how is this a pun

go fuck yourself carlos

>>63746103
It's star wars m8...

LITERALLY POWER LEVELS: THE MOVIE

>>63746068
It's the same sort of thing the prequels did really, they just didn't call attention to it as much. I mean how many times does Qui-Gon pull or try to pull a subtle mind trick in TPM? I don't think they focus on it at all aside from Jar-Jar's look of surprise and Watto's indignant remark.

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>>63746096
intuition and spatial awareness really shouldn't make you magically understand what the complex controls of a starfighter do

look at the x wing cockpit

why would force sensitivity let you understand all these buttons? everyone can headcanon wedge or whoever running through the controls with luke before the attack, but it's weird that this is never touched on in the actual movie

>She was on her period when using the Force.

Who the fuck writes this shit?

Rey is Luke's daughteru

If she were related to Kylo then Han and Leia would jump all over her

Her Force and lightsaber skills come from the fact that she was the only Padawan who survived when Kylo went nuts and Luke mindwiped her so she wouldn't get traumatized and join the dark side and shieet

>>63746103
oh yeah, the tree

>rey gets KOed super hard and probably breaks a few bones, flung into trunk by kylo
>magically better moments later and wrecks his shit

f-f-force sensitive!

i liked the movie but dumb stuff like this is grating, rey just defies logic too much
that's saying a lot for star wars

>>63745733
It's a hollywood movie. Everyone is supposed to be attractive regardless of how much sense it actually makes. If we wanted ACTUAL dirty poor scavengers instead of space porn stars pretending to be dirty poor scavengers we'd just go for a walk instead of going to theatres.

>>63745156
Emotional fuck ups are supposed to make you stronger if you use the dark side. Fear, Anger and Passion fuel it.

>>63744766
Hmm, you've got a point actually.

If that's the case they should have emphasised it in the movie though.

>>63746218
You know what else is defying logic?
The whole fucking Star Wars universe.

>>63746185
Human female Jedis must be a nightmare to train for that reason.

>>63746218
You can look for reasons to hate the movie all you want but that's basic Hollywood physics right there and they've been around for decades.

>Sister saw it
>She's a total pleb but even she said it was a straight copy of ANH
I really need to see it to confirm how generic the writing is

>>63746229
i thought it was implied that kylo didn't work like that because he was still partial to the light side

>>63746177
It's not weird because it doesn't matter. Star Wars is space opera, not science fiction. The technology is an excuse to have laser sword fights and ray gun battles and fly spaceships around, the same way Lucas' favored adventure serials featured sword fights, cowboy and soldier shootouts and airplane dogfights.

That kind of minutiae doesn't really matter in Star Wars so don't even worry about it. It's a fairy tale. You can decry it as awful filmmaking if you want but it's long been the foundation of the franchise.

>>63746261
idunno m8 he looked pretty hateful and passionate to me

>>63745204
Her mother is obviously Not!Mara Jade. So just Mara with dark hair.

>>63746250
sorry, she defies the logic of the fictional universe is what i'm trying to say

>>63746256
i like the movie dude

>>63746197
>If she were related to Kylo then Han and Leia would jump all over her

>Implying they weren't just protecting her from Kylo

Dudes, she uses a fucking staff as her primary weapon. She's a melee specialist.


>Rei: Force-sensitive melee fighter wielding unfamiliar melee weapon
>Ren: Heavily wounded and only partially trained Sith apprentice fighting opponent he doesn't think he has to go all out against


When you think about it, it does make sense that the fight ended up this way. Once it turns in her direction, it doesn't last very long. He doesn't really have time to react.

>>63746286
yeah for sure, but because of the scene where he's talking about how he needs help fully immersing himself in the dark side (cool scene imo) i think it's implied that killing han doesn't make him any stronger

when anakin kills padme he's already too far gone, having murdered children etc

what i mean is i think it's suggested that super dark stuff like murdering family only makes you stronger if you're already really deeply evil

>>63746332
>uses a staff
>perfect training for a space lazer sword

you're really trying to make this movie not shit, aren't you?

>>63746197

Isn't there a rumor floating around that this was indeed a thing but test audiences reacted so poorly to the revelation that they took it off?

>>63745539
So Rey is basically Makie Otono-Tachibana from Blade of the Immortal who, as a youn girl, was already such a skilled sword fighter that she crippled her own brother? Just converted to Jedi of course?

>>63746382
I heard there were no test audiences because Disney was too scared of leaks.

>like it helped

>>63746368
>dicks around in a T-16 skyhooper chasing rats
>perfect training for flying a complex military assault starfighter in a leading role in one of the most dangerous operations of the fledgeling rebellion that he just bumped into yesterday

It's fucking Star Wars.

>>63746332
Spoken like a true shill

>>63746368
You're really trying to find any reason to hate it, aren't you?

Did kylo chopped off Finn's arm like they said? Somehow it wasnt clear

>>63746478
Nah he just sliced up his back

>>63746420
There were very few leaks for a project of this magnitude desu
You can say a lot of things about Disney but know their shit

>>63744766
>More powerful
Is she? She manages to reverse read his mind after he already opened up the connection between them, and she mind tricks a Stormtrooper. Other than that she didn't do anything worth noting with the Force.

>>63746441
People seem to be missing that Rey's intervention in the Kylo fight is her metaphorical trench run since Poe is the one doing the actual trench run.

>>63745204
The flying thing is pretty normal for a Force-sensitive like her.

Anakin flew podracers as a child, believed to be the only human capable of doing so. How? Insane force-sensitivity. Luke used to regularly bullseye 2 meter targets in his old T-16 back on Tatooine, a feat which one of the Rebellion's top fighter pilots referred to as 'Impossible, even for a computer!'.

Long story short: The shittest Jedi is still probably a better pilot than the most highly trained non-Jedi.

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>without ever seeing someone use the force she knows le epic jedi mind trick

BRAVO

>>63744975
Don't worry. The retarded fans will find an excuse to justify all that bullshit.

>>63746531
le ebin memory wipe

she's aragorn too btw

This Rey being the bestest thing ever because Luke memory wiped her is an even dumber fan theory than darth jarjar.

>>63744975
>Forgetting her staff skills
The real problem with the Ren confrontation was Finn being as good as he was despite not even having the Force.

>>63746185
is this why the sith have red sabers?

>>63746524
>"How could she possibly know how to use the Jedi Mind Trick without ever having been taught?"
>Implying that she doesn't know what Jedi can do with the force despite clearly stating that she's heard the legends of what the Jedi did when she meets Han.
>Implying that if you found out you had Force powers you wouldn't immediately try it yourself.

Heck, I -know- I don't have Force powers and I've tried it in the past.

>>63746524
You know what the original name for the Force was? The Whill.

Using the Force is just a metaphor for willing something to happen. That's why focus is so important. It has always been thus. Don't read too far into it.

>>63746579
First Order stormtroopers are trained to fight lightsaber-wielding opponents. This is why the stormtrooper who spots Finn using one immediately goes into shockstick mode, because he's been taught that blasters are no use against Jedi.

Finn would have received the same anti-Jedi training as the other stormtroopers. Ergo, it makes that he was able to hold his own against a wounded Kylo Ren, if only for a little while.

>>63746332
Does that mean Rey will wield a saberstaff like Darth Maul?

>>63746588
So you're replacing the hairbrush with a lightsabre body?

>>63746103
It's like an SJW Dragonball Z episode.

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>>63746708
huh no shit

>>63744975
They actually show in the beginning that Rey is badass with a stick

>>63746780
So its like poetry?

>>63744766
Yoda was already undermined by being dogmatic and wrong about how you can't come back from being a dark side user, and was further implied to be wrong when Luke getting angry and wailing on Vader is what beat him.

>>63746712
>jedis don't exist
>anti-jedi training

Ok bud ok.

>>63746853
>Jedis don't exist
>Literally the plot of the film is everyone trying to find a Jedi

Ok, bud.

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>>63746053

Not a hovercraft. A T-16 Skyhopper. Built by the same company that built the X-Wing (Incom). Essentially an atmospheric craft.

Controls were so similar, they were used as training aircraft for X-wings.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/T-16_skyhopper

>>63746954
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>>63746780
Oh I'm sure she's really good a working sticks. Lots of them at once.

Seriously now, you think she'll get a double-bladed Lightsaber down the road?

There has to be more backstory to Rey's crazy af powers.

Top tier piloting
Great lightsaber skills
Great force user
Seems to be a good engineer too, being able to fix the Falcon repeatedly.

All of these without formal training shown in the movie. I expect some kind of reveal in the next two movies, anything from amnesia, reincarnation, or just plain force god incarnate, i don't know. But please disney give us a decent explanation.

That said the movie was highly entertaining, a lot better than the prequels. A lot of the plot was borrowes from ANH but I liked the changes to make it fresh and watchable for current audiences. The characters esp. Finn and Latino guy could have been written a lot better though. Looking forward to the next ones. 9/10

saw it today, enjoyed it overall but man some of that dialogue was awful, especially between Finn and Rey at the start.

Spoiler Rant inC

SPOILER

Why the fuck is the bad guys plan still the same as every fucking other star wars movie?
big dumb planet super wepon that takes an eternity to charge and fire.

Finn was okay he looks like bewildered and confused in every scene, even when there is no need for it. but he did a solid job
Rey was meh was costumed and made up to look like Portman too much imho,

Kobe was the best thing in the film a way cooler char than at least 90% of the cast really wanted to see more of him.

R8 was kinda cute and not really that annoying

Snokeamort was ok seemed pretty menacing

Kylo Ren was an edgelord and terrible.

old chars were old chars but old

overall 7.5 /10

>>63746853
jedi existing or not doesn't matter, it's perfectly believable for finn for have had melee training

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>>63747053
Episode IV: A New Hope where Luke explicitly states that he used to fly a T-16 Skyhopper and shoot womp rats on Tatooine is not canon?

>>63746719
I fucking hope so. Would be cool to see a non-Sith using one in live-action. Only other canon example is Satele Shan, and she only sort-of counts.

>>63747148
All your background garbage about them being used as training craft isn't.

>>63747077
agree with all of this beside the 9. its a 7 for me

Usually the good guy loses the first encounter with the bad guy. It makes for better narrative tension. Either Abrams is a bigger hack than we thought or the main theme of the trilogy with be Kylo Ren's redemption.

>>63747163
TOR isn't canon.

>>63745795
>star wars viii is released
>rey trains with luke who doesn't tell her he knows her
>she ends up fighting kylo in a first order base
>after the duel snoke's hologram appears
>tells rey she used to be the dark lord but luke captured her and erased her memory
>she defeats him and saves the galaxy

>episode ix is released
>it turns out luke was the real antagonist who just wanted to destroy the force

>>63747077

>All of these without formal training shown in the movie

She's been fending on her own on a godforsaken junk planet for years, disassembling spaceships for pieces and beating up fuckers every day in order to get her daily meal.
She knows how to fight, and she knows her way around machinery.

But of course she should be shown sitting at SPACESHIPS&CQC Class at the Jakku Community College or else you dipshit won't get the hint.

Force skills are the usual "tapping into your potential" stuff, is pretty much to be expected.

Every time she manages to do something, she struggles for it, maybe the mind trick is a little sudden, but still, luck, skill and intuition, I'm willing to let the hero get around a random mook like that.

>>63747251
Yeah she looks like shes been struggling all her life. Really. Totally.

Imagine being Daisy in that scene and having to be all like "damn, fatass Boyega, you fuckin' fine, all sexy with your Pear shaped body and horrific androgynous monster face. I would totally have sex with you, both my character and the real me." when all she really wants to do is fuck another non AIDS boy in her dressing room. Like seriously imagine having to be Daisy and not only sit in that chair while Boyega flaunts his disgustingly out of porportion body in front of you, the favorable lighting barely concealing his fat hips and wide ass, and just sit there, take after take, hour after hour, while he perfected that dindu look. Not only having to tolerate his monstrous fucking visage but his haughty attitude as everyone on set tells him he’s a STRAPPING NIGGER BUCK and DAMN, NIGGA, YOU LOOKS LIKE THAT?? because they're not the ones who have to sit
there and watch his mannish fucking gremlin face contort into types of grimaces
you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been fucking nothing but a
healthy diet of studs and alpha males and later alleged rape victims for your
ENTIRE CAREER. You've never even seen anything this fucking disgusting before,
and now you swear you can taste the grease and sweat that's breaking out on Boyega’s
monkey face as he sucks in his gut to writhe it suggestively at you, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to get paid to sit there and revel in his "statuesque” beauty, the beauty he worked so hard for with personal trainers in the previous months. And then the director calls for another take, and you know you could kill every single person in this room before the studio security could put you down, but you sit there and endure, because you're fucking Daisy. You're not going to lose your future movie career over this. Just bear it. Hide your face and bear it.

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>>63747174
Maybe a 9 is too generous, I'd watch it again and see. I doubt it would go lower than 8 though.

Also what is this guy's name? Beast, challenging a lighrsaber weilder in a 1v1.

>>63747077
>But please disney give us a decent explanation.

She is just a strong woman. Women are more capable than men.

>>63747270

Goddammit everybody, dumping your basement sperglord MRA bullshit everywhere you can

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>>63745629
A stormtrooper wounded Vader ?
I need sauce on that.
Canon sauce.

>>63747135
I was calling out that retarded fanboy explaining in detail how stormtroopers were trained to fight in hand-to-hand combat jedis like it is even possible. Not to mention there is only one left and he is quite powerful to say the least.

>>63747293

Yeah it was cool, but since Finn is not a jedi and the baton can parry a lightsaber, it was pretty much two thugs with the exact same training beating each other with sticks.

>>63747293
He didn't have a name. Think he was just a normal Stormtrooper. The implication would then be that they all have those shockstick things.

He didn't use the shield, though. Or at least if he did I don't remember seeing it.

>>63747335

You went for the dumber of the possible replies well done. Most people just return with 'that's Hollywood' when you ask why someone who has been leaving on a dead rock all their life is completely made up and speaks perfect RADA English.

But no anon, keep up the good fight there.

>>63747216
>>63747216
>it turns out luke was the real antagonist who just wanted to destroy the force
>he was a member of Moisture Farmers - a secrecy society that was controlling the universe for thousands of years.

Weren't lightsabers only turned on using the force? Or now anyone can use one?

>>63745011
But it's not Vader. If anything, Kylo is more like AotC Anakin. He's an angry, volatile apprentice who tries to demand more respect than he's actually owed. The whole mask thing is just about him trying to be more intimidating.

>>63747202
Then the Temple Guardians from the Clone Wars, faggot

>>63747436
>now
HanSoloCuttingOpenATauntaunWithLightsaber.jpg

>>63747202
Inb4 Snoke turns out to be donutsteel!Vitiate.

>>63747293
this scene was really good because it gave a further human side to the empire

this guy is just a random stormtrooper, but he recognizes finn- when he calls him traitor it's pretty emotionally charged, so who is he? it makes you think maybe it's finn's best friend from the stormtrooper boot camp or something, a guy that went through all the training with him and is furious that finn deserted

>>63744967

Kylo Ren has the force m8, he is just torn between light and dark which makes him weaker, if he committed to the light, he'd be as strong.

I thought it was great.
Biggest issues I had were the movie moving along almost too fast with no real time to take it in, or just have a slow moment or two. Also too many smaller side villains - silver lady storm trooper and ginger nazi didn't really get to do anything. Also I feel like Snoke could've been saved for later as well ala Palpatine, or at least just focus solely on him and Ren.

>>63747358
So what you're saying is that there's an army of normal soldiers who are trying to hunt down and kill the last remaining Jedi, and you don't think that it makes any sense for their commanders to go 'Hey, you know what? Maybe we should train our soldiers to fight Jedi... you know... in case they meet one during our mission to find a Jedi?'.

And -I'm- the retard? Sure thing, slick.

Can someone shed some light on how Finn deserts? I can't wrap my head around it, apparently he deserts because he's forced to shoot at innocents/his fellow mates, but when escaping through the hangar don't they kill many more stormtroopers?

>>63747251
True. But she has to be a genius to be able to apply that to the Falcon, a ship she never has flown or seen the internal workings of before.

Also, she must be a genius level force user to be able to do mind tricks, strong af ls pull, all that without any guidance whatsoever. She was even getting rekted in the saber duel until she tapped into the force. I'm no Star Wars expert but I do know she is better as an "amateur" (if she really is) compared to the skywalkers who were force sensitive as fuck yet they also struggled initially, esp. Luke who was shit tier until the end of ESB. Does this mean she is dome Force incarnate or something? That's lame.

There has to be something more to it or else the writers fucked it up.

>>63744766
The problem with that is that she was never tutored by master Yoda, so why would she follow his teachings while literally standing on the edge of death? The moment felt more like "oh yeah, I saw the OT, I know how to deal with this" It kinda defeats the purpose of having a jedi master Teaching you the ways of the force if

>>63747507
Was he on his period or something?

>>63744766
I saw the movie about an hour ago here in Aus. Really enjoyed it for the most part, I thought Po Damarans bravado was a little too much, they needed to slightly ease up on that, and give him a better astromech than the ball but apart from that it was great

>>63747436
Anyone can use one, but they're only really practical for force sensitive users as you need to be in the zone all the time to react. Anyone can slice things with them as they're glorified energy swords.

Basically Jedi/Sith are just showing off.

>>63746712
This makes sense, thankyou mang

>>63744766
I haven't seen it yet, but isn't it implied that she trained with Luke and Ben before her mind wipe? It sounds a lot like some Jason Bourne shit, where she's trained but doesn't remember until she needs to

>>63746712
>>63747673

Nice try, samefag.

>>63746708
>Whill
My sides

>>63747708
except it isn't
>bl

Even though he was already looking better at the time this was filmed, Mark Hamill sure looks way more smashing now than in the movie.
I hope production for next one starts while he's looking so good.

>>63747689
Now that you mention it she did get visions when she touched the blue lightsaber.
Initially thought it was from the force but the visions might be from her memories.

>>63747539
>Does this mean she is dome Force incarnate or something? That's lame.

She is literally Revan.

So it Supreme Leader Snoke "Darth Plagueis", Palpatines old master?

He could bend the force to sustain life and what not, and looks kinda burnt from electricity and such, which Palpatine allegedly killed him with

Thoughts?

So, is it safe to say that Snoak likely isn't Plagueis reincarnate?

>>63744766
Just got back from the movie.

Have a couple of questions.

Who was the old guy the pilot was talking to at the start of the movie?

Why was checking R2D2 not the very first thing they did when Luke went missing?

Why did R2D2 turn back on at the end of the movie?

Why was Finn not killed on the spot for his multiple acts of insubordination before he escaped? That's exactly what Vader and the Empire would have done.

Why could the girl defeat Kylo Ren in a lightsaber duel when she had literally never wielded a lightsaber before that point?

>>63747880
Horry shet, are you me? Also, He didn't look like a Muun, though we've only seen a very few, and he was described as being unusual for a Muun.

>>63746524

>Already ignoring that Kylo used the force to try to mind-extract info from her
>Ignoring that she learnt to push back and tap into Kylo's own mind for a split second

It's not that great a leap that she picked up the gist of force mental manipulations from then on once her mental battle with Kylo clued her in.

>>63747898
>>63747880
I think they're probably different dudes. As we see time and again in Star Wars, there's no end of Sith Emperor wannabes hiding out around the galaxy, waiting for whoever is currently on top to get the boot so they can worm their way in as top dog. This Snoke cat probably just saw an opening and was like 'Fuck yeah, if that pussy Palapatine could do it, I sure as fuck can'.

>>63747917
>Why could the girl defeat Kylo Ren in a lightsaber duel when she had literally never wielded a lightsaber before that point?

Emerging popular theory is that she has wielded one but her mind was wiped for mysterious reasons. Revan.

>Make Mary Sue
>Feminists and whiteknights eat that shit up, because she's a strong womyn.

So why would Luke leave his daughter in bum-fuck nowhere?

>>63747959
>Having to reach out to EU shit to justify the movies failings
This is why SW should have stayed dead.

>>63747917
ill have a go at these anon

>Who was the old guy the pilot was talking to at the start of the movie?
max von sydow i think. apparently that guy is basically a force otaku who was obsessed with the jedi

>Why was checking R2D2 not the very first thing they did when Luke went missing?
because he went into standby and nobody could turn him on or something

>Why did R2D2 turn back on at the end of the movie?
because he 'sensed rey' or something dumb

>Why was Finn not killed on the spot for his multiple acts of insubordination before he escaped? That's exactly what Vader and the Empire would have done.
i think it's mentioned that the jakku landing is his first live combat experience

>Why could the girl defeat Kylo Ren in a lightsaber duel when she had literally never wielded a lightsaber before that point?
i also thought this was dumb, but the explanations are:

she's incredibly force sensitive (ludicrously imo)
she's good at melee combat already
kylo has been shot with a bowcaster, is half-crazed after killing his father, and is further injured fighting finn

>>63748031
He's done with trying to restore the force, he knows Mary Sue might become evil so he decided to exile her.

>>63744766
It doesn't make any sense. If just having the force makes you superman, why doesn't leia kick ass too? Fuck JewJew, he can't do anything right.

>>63747917
>Who was the old guy the pilot was talking to at the start of the movie?
Fuck knows. The same character Max Von Sydnow always plays: Random old bloke.

>Why was checking R2D2 not the very first thing they did when Luke went missing?
Because plot.

>Why did R2D2 turn back on at the end of the movie?
Because plot.

>Why was Finn not killed on the spot for his multiple acts of insubordination before he escaped? That's exactly what Vader and the Empire would have done.
Captain Phasma explained that they had submitted him for reprogramming for his errant behaviour, but he escaped before it went through.

>Why could the girl defeat Kylo Ren in a lightsaber duel when she had literally never wielded a lightsaber before that point?
The way I see it, Kylo Ren is still an apprentice. He's not Darth Vader. He's AotC Anakin Skywalker. Factor in that he was wounded, fighting with blind anger rather than finesse AND his arrogance would have told him he didn't need to fight properly to beat Rei.

On the other hand, Rei had previously shown herself to be A) highly force-sensitive and B) proficient with unwieldy melee weapons.

>>63748031
Skywalker tradition to grow up in a desert

>>63748086
Why would he even have a kid in that case?
He could just go into hiding and become the biggest space wizard of them all.

>>63747106
>big dumb planet super wepon that takes an eternity to charge and fire.
The weapon killed more people than everyone in the movies put together. Also it wiped out the capital of the republic in a single blow.

>>63748031
Stupid nerd here. Because being protected by the strongest being in the universe puts her in danger. Duh

>>63747931
I guess I figured you know, a Muuns got a big head, kinda large humanoid type creatures

It's all I am really basing it on, unless some marginalised Grand Moff is still around, but I don't see how a Moff could "Complete his training"

To me he has to be a Sith Lord, or at least pretty close to the dark side, and the only thing I can think of (that's still Canon) is Darth Plagueis

It's pretty obvious she's going to get a double sided saber since she fights with a staff and tried to use the lightsaber as a staff too.

>>63748031
The same reason Obi Wan left Luke. Probably to protect her. And in case you say no one is looking after her, the dude who hands the map of Skywalker to Poe at the start of the movie was seen in Rey's flashback.

>>63748153
What is it with JJ and over elaborate genocide in his movies. I dunno, I just feel like it was kind of overkill and didn't really do much to affect the plot.

>>63745386
>>63745444
Revan is hundreds of years before current movies.

>>63744975
She actually stumbled a few times and almost got fucked up before she gained her composure. Keep in mind Ren was bleeding out and just getting more and more frustrated/weakened as the fight went on. The fact that his omega weapon was falling to peices all around him probably didn't help.

>>63748153

Still, it was ONCE AGAIN a Death Star.
Kinda unoriginal if you ask me.

Also, good, you sucked the whole sun and shot again.
What now?

>>63744766
The thing about Light being stronger than Dark is simply this:

Jedi strive to be fearless. The Sith do everything in their power to make everyone else more afraid than they are and are quick to beg or flee when they can't bully their way out of a situation.

>>63747592
Probably. He's already autistic and appeals to edgelord teenagers.

>>63748223
It was supposed to be Death Star 2.0
Literally everything had to one up ANH.
Death Star could destroy 1 planet? This one could blow up the entire system.
Luke had to fire a proton torpedo down a vent? Poe has to fly into a small opening and blow in up from inside before escaping.

>>63748153
High killcount but absolutely zero impact since they only killed a bunch of worlds that didn't appear before and weren't even relevant to the plot.

>>63747880
>>63747955
Unless you are/have been a sith lord I find it hard to understand how a random dude can take an apprentice and train him, or seek to train him to be a sith lord (aka Kylo Ren).

Like is their an instruction manual on how to be a sith? seems like that knowledge could onyl be passed on by someone who was one

>>63747537
He is fazed by his comrade beeing killed (it is his first battle), then disobeys the order to kill some locals.... and a few moments later he murders his former comrades while screaming whoooooo...
I did not get it either.

>>63748251
You wait for the sun to recharge apparently.

>>63744979
>It would've been so much better if Kylo just tore them a new one and they only survive because the ground gets separated.

I found it hilarious that he only survived because of pure dumb luck. Not only that, Hux had to bail him out before the planet exploded.

>>63748288
Didn't they destroy Coruscant?

>>63748223
Is he Jewish?

>>63748288
Apparently one of the world is the Republic's capital. This will have an impact hopefully in the later movies. This is the equivalent of terrorist blowing up washington. There is no way the Republic not react.

>>63748303
The entire movie is based on pure dumb luck.

>>63748325
No, the new republic has its senate in bumfuck nowhere

>>63744766

Any webms of kylo rekking booyega?

Why are they called the Resistance? If the Republic is now the dominant power shouldn't they just be calling themselves the Republic?

>>63748404
The resistance is separate from the Republic apparently.

>>63746218
You know what defies logic. The fact that when Chewie, Rey and Finn come back to the base, Chewie and Leia don't comfort each other over the death of Han. One is best friend, other is the wife. No Leia goes straight to Rey.

>>63747355
Luke hits Vader in their first battle and at that point Finn could've probably taken Luke since all Luke really did with the force is jump.

>>63748303
You know

I was honestly hoping for some cliched Luke Skywalker drop down from the sky, eyes closed all the snow parts around him and then HE fucks up his nephew, but he lives and takes Rey back to be trained

I would have totally been ok with that desu

>>63746103

>Leaving out the face that Kylo took a direct hit from chewies Bowcaster directly before this fight

People shitting on Rey for having the upper hand are fucking morons. Kylo was injured both from Chewie and Finn and is clearly fucking mental/unstable especially after killing his father

>>63748298
Or they are in a binary or multiple star system... that is conviniently only a few light seconds away from the republic hq and the resistances hq (with the former beeing the priority target).
Also: Seperating a beam weapon midflight to hit multiple targets.... suspension of disbelief.

>>63748269
What if Kylo Ren is transgender. He struggles between his Light/female and Dark/male side. His acceptance for what he truly is will bring balance to the force.

>>63748435
>>63748404
Yeah I didn't really get that either

The only thing I could come up with was the military wing of the republic was still, nostalgically called the "Resistance"

It still seems dumb to me 29 years on or w/e it is

>>63748449
I guess being in the resistance you are used to seeing half your teammates die and you move on because you have more pressing matters to attend to. 90% of their fleet got annihilated and Poe and survivals didn't even seem to grief either.

I don't understand one thing.

The new order has the biggest army and they have their own fucking planet that can destroy stars in no second.

Why would anyone sit on their asses except the rebels with a threat like this? Shouldn't everyone try to eleminate this danger?

>>63748513
It was stated that the weapon can do light speed jumps. Or did I misheard Finn?

>>63747880
I reckon

How the fuck do you aim a planet at other targets precisely? At least with the Death Star I could buy that it could rotate in any direction but how the fuck do you aim up or down with that thing other than waiting for when the star literally align and the cannon is aiming directly at the system?

>>63748582
The plant can rotate as well

>>63748582
Future Tech and stuff

In a world with basically magic, robot bounty hunters, lazers and hyperspace rotating a planet doesn't seem that hard to believe desu

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Anyone else who watched the movie noticed how Daisy has.. how should I say it, kind of puffy cheeks round the lips? It's really sexy and makes me want to fuck her, the way it makes her lips all plump

>>63748631
>future
It's set in the distant past m8.

>>63748531
They're still separate. They talk about being separate to the Republic's navy, for example.

The only thing I could think of was that they're a proxy army to fiight the First Order and that the Republic/First Order were in some kind of Cold War situation, but even if that was the case, it's fucking obvious who they're allied with any that should not stop the First Order from fucking shit up.

I guess they did, anyway.

>>63748292
There are force-sensitive factions other than the Sith and the Jedi. Some of them align to the light side, some of them align to the dark. Some are completely neutral. When I say 'Sith Emperor wannabe', I just mean that he's an evil bloke who wants to rule the galaxy, not that he's literally a Sith.

>>63748325
>>63748379
>>63748334

No, it was just to make the "Resistance" the new Rebel Alliance, since the old Rebel Alliance stepped up to become the Republic.

Honestly, this makes no sense.
The Rebel Alliance won and made itself the Republic, so now the Republic leads the galaxy in a just and democratic way.
The remnants of the Empire, being understandably pissed off, won't take that and do nothing, so here comes the First Order.

Ok.

But why should a hidden autonomous ragtag band of heroes, the Resistance, tackle the First Order? Shouldn't it be a task for the Republic Army?
I mean, what's the point of doubling up on the good guys?

In the OT it made sense because there were worlds officialy under Empire rule that still helped the Rebel Alliance (like Alderaan) while it was going all "La resistance" agains the Empire.

But this time it makes no sense at all apart from having the situation exactly as ANH from the get go, and they could have simply let things at they went and make sense of the situation.
I mean, you Starkill the Republic and now you have a power void and two contenders, both without a proper validation: First Order because they neved had one, and Resistance (ex Republic Army), because their validation just got exploded.

But no, JJ had to make it ANH verbatim or else...

>>63747946
>genius
>God tier force sensitive
>'melee specialist'
>everyone likes her, Han Solo spontaneously proposes to her to join him

>MARY SUE? Stop being contrary an you worthless loser!

>>63748690
Yeah no idea, just call it the Grand Armee or something silly. I mean isn't the republic in control of 90% of the galaxy just a few years after RoTJ?

Seems like it would be back to the good old days of basking on Coruscant (fucking horrible name for a planet btw)

>>63748582
They've fucking repurposed a planet to suck up stars, I don't think it's much more of a stretch to change its orbit or anything else.

>>63746038
yeah but datvoice tho

>>63748732
That was the only part of the movie I didn't understand. Why the resistance and the republic was separate or the status quo of the galaxy. I guess it was to give the resistance the underdog feel.

Carrie Fisher wasn't looking as bad as I had imagined.

>>63748213
>double sided lightsaber
>it will be in blue since Luke has a green one
>Finn gets a purple one

Hold on, Kylo Ren dies to Rey?

>>63748801
Yeah, that's what I thought. As far as I knew, the Empire got BTFO hard in a campaign and the new Republic took its place. Apparently, that hasn't happened? I really don't know.

I really liked the movie and think that most of it made some sense, ignoring all the pedantic autists. But Resistance/Republic/First Order dynamic didn't make any sense to me. Maybe they'll explain it later, maybe they'll handwave it. I'm not sure. They don't even explain how the First Order came to power from the Imperial remnants either. It's only lightly touched upon.

>>63748787
Tech genius was a trait Anakin showed
God tier force sensitive was both a Anakin and Luke trait
Melee specialist was probably what she learn on Jakku

Her traits and abilities are somewhat justifiable. But they make her too OP imo

>>63748881
no, but she fucks his face up BAD

>>63748838
Yeah, a long long time ago in a galaxy far, far away they had really great cosmetic surgeons.