Thisis really fucking bugging me, The Expanse Spoilers aheadWhy the fuck is the supposid "flagship" of the martian navy out in such a troubled region by itself? Where the fuck was it's cruisers or it's escorts? why was it alone? why did it's CIWS suddenly stop working? the CIWS never got taken out, whoever boarded them should never have even gotten near it; and it never would have gotten taken out if it had a battle group with it, what the fuck
>>63721390How do you know ships even have escorts in this universe?
The crew seemed pretty confident that they could handle anything with ease.
>the CIWS never got taken out
Didn't it? Are you sure?
>>63722003
I'm pretty sure, I could check again, I dont remember any scene about them loseing weapons
>>63722338
Check again. They didn't "lose" the CIWS, the CIWS was having trouble engaging their targets because of the tech level difference. If you want to get nitpicky, riddle me this: the enemy lost 2/3rds of their ships in the attack, ships much smaller than the Martian ship, yet had enough personnel to successfully board and defeat the Martian crew. They should have lost the numbers game once they'd lost 2 of their 6 ships, making a boarding action virtually impossible to successfully complete. It'd be like having a pair of Zodiacs' worth of pirates board and defeat the crew of an Aegis cruiser.
>>63722561
Or maybe the unknown assailants have a tech advantage at close quarter combat too.
>tfw on ep 4 and le druggy guy had his head blown off
JUST
>>63722712
That's the point: we don't know how they pulled it off. It's never brought up. If there'd been some kind of exposition about their weapons able to penetrate Martian body armor with ease or their own armor being impervious to Martian firepower, then we'd know how they managed to roll the flagship of the Martian fleet and all its Marines to the point where the C&C was being threatened, but instead we're left to guess that either Martian veterans just suck at repelling boarders or the enemy ships emptied their whole crews into the Martian ship in a suicide run.
What we do know from this battle is this: the enemy has EW, ballistic programming, and engineering tech more advanced than what Mars has.
>>63722561
It may well be that most of their 'ships' are just drones, with all their personnel in the larger mother ship.
>>63723046
I didn't notice a larger mother ship. The six ships shown all looked identical to each other in size and shape.
>>63723095
Unless I missed something they started as one ship, and the smaller ones are its nacelles that separate and then operate independently.
>>63721390
They were in an area where they they thought that there was no serious competition. If an entire Earth fleet was sent, they'd know and they'd would leave. The OPA's ships are shit-tier.
>>63722926
I liked that guy, as pathetic as he was.
The space marine armour is pretty sharp desu
>>63723397
Yup. Looked badass.
>>63722561
Perhaps the super-advanced Martian warships were heavily automated and thus had a small crew. There are advantages to having as few humans as possible (obviously repelling boarders would fall into the "cons" category)
I normally don't invest my time into any scifi shows because they're normally garbage, but after the 4 eps I'm pretty interested. Also being already spoiled by some bookfags, it seems like it'll go in some cool directions, so I'm fairly hype
>>63723517
Yeah, I guess they also have a much smaller population than Earth to recruit from.
>>63723790
It's still about 10 billion
>>63723931
I guess there's not much to do on Mars then...
when does the next ep airs and how many episodes are?
>>63725152
4 are available online out of a season of 10 episodes.
>>63725152
well second episode aired on tuesday and 3 and 4 got leaked online already so we're up to 4 episodes.
Regardless of what people say, I fucking love episode 4, just give me a ton of that.
>>63725152
Episode three will air next week. Episode 5 (if you've seen all the online ones) on 5 Jan.
>>63725259
so its gonna be a while until we get the rest, is this a weekly series? I just dont know how tv schedules work anymore
are there any other syfy series similar to this? first one I watch
Whats this show about? I might start watching it
>>63725293
It should be 2 months from now till the series finale
>>63725293
It looks like it.
>>63725259
Episode 4 was pretty badass. I mean,if you have to die in space why not have your head taken off by a railgun?We'll have to see if the show can keep up the pace, but it's good so far.
do you think the pill the mars guy takes is just a cognitive enchancer or some mind-reading shit?
>>63725763
death by nuclear auto-destruction os the best possible death
>>63725832
I'm thinking it's a cognitive and sensory enhancer. I liked the idea of the interrogator being the one to take medication.
>>63725832
Maybe it's just a placebo to fuck with the interviewee.
>>63725449
I'm not an expert, but the story revolves around earth and mars as two separate factions, and theres an asteroid belt colony that's pretty much between the two and has resources they both want. Political shit happens
I can't be the only one who noticed this woman has to be the most talented actor in the Expanse. Her voice is like dark velvet, I just can't get enough of it.
Really like the woman she's playing too, probably the most fleshed out character in the show.
>>63725983
his pupiles go ape shit when he takes it
>>63726094
True
>>63726094
I really liked her too, she does a perfect job portraying the kind of woman her character is
also you can tell she was super hot when she was younger
>>63726137
I know. He has a bionic eye maybe?
>>63723397
this, looked pretty fucking good.
>>63726188
Well I'm still not decided whether her character is a villain or not, she's way too complex for that. I think her intentions are good, she just wants to protect Earth (and her family) but she's willing to use anything to achieve that.
The part where she hung that spacer to the wall with that speech was badass though.
At first I was very Earth centric, so I agreed with her completely, but the third and fourth episodes managed to introduce a lot of nuancelike how the Martians are just people too, that they just want to live, that they're working very hard etc.so after watching that I'm hopingMars and Earth will create an alliance against the new threat from the outer systemsPlus I really liked that Martian guy who interrogated the others.
>>63726671
Did that guy pretty much die a the end? I don't understand why he said he would have liked to see a lake on mars.
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>>63726094
>>63726671
I got totally hooked after the 4th episode too, It has an Athens vs Sparta in space vibe.
I can't pick between earth and mars either
Should I buy the books?
>>63726876
dude, didn't you watch the rest of the episode? he talks about how they're working so hard together to transform mars into a better world with plants oceans and oxygen and how people from earth is ungrateful of what they have since they destroy it
I never watched this kind of series but I like this one, should I watch BSG? Is it any good?
>>63726876
I'm not sure he survived, there was blood on his chest and chin, remember? But I hope so.
>>63726880
Oh yeah, totally. I really hope they keep up with the quality, it's only gotten better and better as the show progressed.
I cant help it but cringe everythime the cop wears the fedora
>>63726967
Well yeah, but is he just referencing that all the plans had gone to shit because of the current events, or because he's going to die before he sees it? I don't want him to die
>>63727047
BSG is good, but a different vibe. I get the sense that a number of former BSG watchers are looking forward to The Expanse being as decent. BSG had a pacing problem. I loved the miniseries and then the first episode, but from there the show was uneven. The Expanse seems to have taken a few episodes to get going, but now I hope it can keep up the pace.
>>63727123
He's the sole surviving officer from his ship, and is badly injured. I'd say he was feeling pretty crappy and/or pretty full of bullets holes. Perhaps he felt like dying, perhaps he felt he was dying, but now we do know he has a fetish for lakes on Mars.
>>63727123
obviously because he thinks he is going to die
I bet he's alive tho
>>63726967
>>63727050
The detective's sidekicksurvived a an iron rod going through his chest, i really hope the martian guy makes it ;_;
Any other series out there with a similar feel? I reckon I've seen all the big sci-fi series out there and none really felt like this. This thing just caters to what I want perfectly. Anything else like it out there?
>>63727595
i dont think so, but you could play the Mass Effect series if you haven't
>>63727537
That scenemade me lose sympathy for the Belters. I get that they're mad, but I hope he survives and gets to chop off the balls of the guys who did that to him.
>>63727595
You might want to check out Dark Matter. It's scifi but the emphasis is on people not politics. I really love it though. Basically there are 6 people who wake up in a spaceship without their memories.
The first season is them learning to work with each other, trusting each other (or not), and just..being humanno spoilers. Also there are shenanigans. it's made by the Stargate guys so it's pretty good.
>>63727631
have already, and 3 just disappointed me to the extent that I am not sure if I want to replay it some time, even though I loved the first two and parts of three.
Shame, anyway I hope this series manages to keep what it has built up to by now.
>>63727700
Yeah dark matter is fine and I somewhat like it, but it's quite different. The politics/conspiracy part and how it's brought into the story aswell as the general setting is what makes The Expanse great for me. I adore cold-war-on-the-brink-of-explosion settings and stories.
>>63726967
not the one you're replying to
but that was kinda weird though. The Earth we saw looked great. There were oceans, nice cities, and when the ambassador woman was lying outside on her roof it was just like Earth today. It was really symbolic btw, her, lying in a traditional dress, gazing at the stars, contemplating on how to save the planet, surrounded by falling leaves, it was very picturesque. The directors literally painted her as Gaia, protector of Earth.
So, I'm not sure where is that corruption and destruction the martian mentioned.
Also this is somewhat unrelated: anyone knows why Earth wants water from space? I mean, isn't our planet by definition an ocean planet? If they need water, they can just distill it...
>>63728075
I think earth isn't getting water from space, rather it is more or less extorting the asteroid belt for various mined ressources in exchange for water.
>>63728075
>So, I'm not sure where is that corruption and destruction the martian mentioned.
There's been a significant sea level rise as shown in the opening sequence and all the views of New York. And they torture people a stone's throw away from the statue of liberty.
>>63728075
>Also this is somewhat unrelated: anyone knows why Earth wants water from space?
I think Mars wants the water for their terraforming. Earth wants minerals.
>>63728075
well we saw the elite district in NY and the super-luxury villa of a rich woman, for all we know the rest could be pretty fucked up
>>63728075
Also the Moon has been colonized. It's probably easier to bring water from other parts of the solar system to the moon than to lift it out of Earth's gravity well.
>>63728577
>There's been a significant sea level rise as shown in the opening sequence and all the views of New York.
I wouldn't know, I'm not an American. But if you say so, I believe you. Also, the irony! The Belters have no water, and Earth has too much of it due to global warming, lol.
>I think Mars wants the water for their terraforming. Earth wants minerals.
Reasonable. But when you say minerals I assume you meant like, metals and such from asteroids?
>>63728748
well, there is that part where somebody is bad mouthing Earth dwellers how they all just want government handouts, living their comfy, aimless lives, also doing drugs. That doesn't sound like our planet is fucked up to me. It sounds like heaven desu. But I can be wrong of course.
>>63728767
ayy lmao, that is the best explanation so far. Thank you based alien.
>>63729416
He says they want it free, who wants free shit? people who dont want to work
They make it very clear that Martians work a lot together to reach a common objective, they're more like ants while people from earth are lazy neets on benefits, that's what I get from what he said
>>63729557
>They make it very clear that Martians work a lot together to reach a common objective
That's great, and I approve of that highly
>people from earth are lazy neets on benefits
But you say that as if there is something wrong with being a NEET anon. There is nothing inherently bad about not wanting to be a wage slave. In fact, it's commendable.
are there any pictures where the martian flagship is clearly visible? concept art or anything?
>>63729905
well, I understand why people from a world where everyone works very hard towards a bigger good would think low of leeches and lazy people who just take drugs
> There is nothing inherently bad about not wanting to be a wage slave. In fact, it's commendable.
I think you got lost on your way to /R9k
>>63729905
for every NEET there's 100 workers who have some of their wage stolen with taxes so the neet can live, neets should live by their means or be put out of their misery
>>63729416
I'm not American either, but you can see that flood barriers have been built around Ellis island and Manhattan and they are both now below sea level.
>>63730055
I'm wondering if it might be Martian propaganda, in case any one wants more welfare benefits.
So is this Gundam iteration #151872 or does it have something to itis it at least a good iteration?
>>63730721
yes its exactly gundam do not waste your time watching
>>63730203
>lood barriers have been built around Ellis island and Manhattan and they are both now below sea level.
oh shit, my bad, I did not notice those. Do you have an eye for these sort of things?
>>63730156
Taxes are terrible, and are a literal theft, but if people refuse to stand up for their own rights and freedoms, then who will? At least NEET's resist - even you think they're lame or worthless.
We will never reach utopia as long as capitalism and the state exists.
>>63730757
I get by your tone it isn't, I think I'll watch it
I didn't get the TV show they were watching in the opium den, I get they showed it for the fake name but what the hell was going on in it?
>>63730850
Taxes are terrible, yes, but its even worse to give part of them to some people just because they're lazy (ie fatties, druggies and neets)
Neets doesnt resist, you have a idealized vision of them because you probably read some of the fan-fiction r9k likes to troll with about NEETs, reality is they're just dead weight
I have absoultely no problem with someone who decides not to work and live on his own, but when you want to take a bit of my money to do that I have a problem
I got one question.
What the fuck is a "pensa"?
>Want it to be good
>Can't bring myself to watch because fucking SYFY and I don't want to be hurt yet again
Plus I heard Childhood's End is shit all over by the book. Sci-fi is kill.Except for Fargo.
>durr it isn't gendum yuo weaboo go bak to /a/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQuTAPWJxNo
>literally whole trailer revolves around earthnoids vs spacenoids, they have the EXACT same traits
It looks like a gundam live action and a shitty one at that
>>63731045
Kind of rude not to give it a shot. After watching the first 4 episodes I'm really enjoying it. I'm also not a fan of syfy because the quality is always garbage, but if you ignore a couple small things its been fantastic
>>63731045
fargo sci-fi? is that crap about a killer in nebraska or some shit?
>>63731122
He's using small references that actually have no place in the context as a genre definer
>>63731060
cool
>>63731122
Yes, but the last season featuredflying saucers
>>63731085
Depends on how small the things are. I could barely get through Man in the High Castle because of how stupid the protagonists are.
>>63731122
It was a joke, anon. Mostly.
>>63731017
This is exactly the type of question that will irk me until I get confirmation....In another scene "sa-sa" was used in way that meant "to know." (The scene at the loading dock) Taking it a step further, and in context of Miller's talk with that Asian? chick, I think it's essentially "Why are you so sure?"
>>63731122
>>63731201
The protagonists seem to range from okay to good. If you can ignore a fedora, and I know this is hard for me too, then you can even enjoy the detective. They all seem competent enough so far, not doing stupid shit to cause the story to progress
>>63731289
I wonder if he will get a trenchcoat and a space katana in the next episodes
>>63730953
You seem to be under the impression that all NEETs, fatties and drug users are lazy, which is not only statistically impossible,but quite unrealistic.
Also why do you care about dead weight so much? Let's face it, there had always been, and there will always be "dead weight". Just suck it up. Nobody is forcing you to work. You too can say no. But you won't. Why not? Because you have an internal drive, like 99% of humanity. We like to work. We are industrious, creative, and we like to channel those things into productive activities.
Being angry about NEETs and complaining about "your" money spent on them is quite ridiculous. Let's face it, once the state collects tax, its not your anything anymore. So take it up with the state. I encourage you to rebel and excercise your unalienable right to free speech.
just finished ep 4 can't wait for the next one.
Guess the things that bug me was some of the acting can be spotty and that the established 'flagship' modern martian ship got BTFO in one episode.
>>63731289
Yeah, hard-boiled space detective wearing a space-fedora seemed kinda iffy and a red flag, but if you're saying he's otherwise well written maybe I'll bite the bullet and give the show a shot.To sniff my own farts for a minute, space detectives wearing space fedoras is the kind of shit that puts me off garbage like anime too. Then every episode the protagonists will go on zany adventures looking for food which is a hard to come-by commodity and force feed themselves when they do get it, except when HILARIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES when a space monkey steals it so they have to go on more adventures or something.
I AM BEATING THE FUCKING SHIT OUT OF THIS STRAWMAN BUT IT MAKES ME SO GODDAMN ANGRY ANONYMOUS. FUCKING ANIME NERDS. I SWEAR. I WATCHED LIKE 5 OF YOUR GODDAMN ANIMES YOU KEPT SWEARING UP AND DOWN WERE GREAT AND THEY WERE ALL SHIT. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>63731468
Agreed all around, but I think that the flagship being so easily rekt was a plot point, rather than poor storytelling.
>>63731472
Oh no, I'm with you 100%. But he's honestly not that cliché when you get down to it. Its one of those situations where the actor is obviously better than the written character though, so it makes the potential cringe even less noticeable
>>63731499
I think it's more of a budget problem really. Theres only so much you can show on screen. The boarding didn't really feel massive as it shouldve been. Man I really wished scfy dumped hbo level money onto the budget.
>>63731771
Ohh, I see what you mean. Yeah, it's definitely the budget. Even so, at a smaller scale it looked pretty nice. Id like to see it expand with some revenue from the show but I'm not optimistic
>>63731405
One can only hope.
>>63725832
It's something he sucks on that gives him super focus. I guess it allows him to notice tiny changes and movements from the person he's interrogating, making it easy to read their body language. That's what I remember when reading the book.
>>63732102
not him, but I honestly thought it was some kind of intel pill where he immediately knows the background of the person he's interrogating.
>>63732222
I thought it made him telepathic
>>63732222
I think it's safe to say that it seems like he knows things based on tiny reactions they have to his questions and statements. Also they have intel on some people, like Holden and Alex who were both in the Earth and Mars Navy.
>>63731499
It was a plot point, whether it came off well onscreen or not is a different story. They could've had some pretty intense infantry on the ship, but don't for several reasons that are kind of spoilery.
>>63731405
Miller is supposed to be kind of unlikeable in the beginning, but he kind of slowly gets more interesting as the story progresses. Not sure if the show will really go there though.
>>63729416
>>63730203
>>63729557
Earth has a form of basic income which all residents get regardless. For Mars and the Belt the idea of being a useless drain is somewhat incomprehensible/reprehensible since your environment wants to kill you. Everyone HAS to do something otherwise you're going to starve, get shanked, or tossed out an airlock.
>>63730937
A sort of belter version of drag racing. Adrenaline junkies slap together the most bare bones hunks of metal and create elaborate single-burn trajectories that slingshot off notable bodies.
It's pretty illegal to start with much less the gambling that was going on. The chap on the tv burned up due to a miscalculatinon in his trajectory. If all had gone well he'd have lasted x days/months off his food/air supply, reached his goal, and turned on a distress beacon and wound up in jail for a bit, but afterwards be a legend. Never buy a drink again etc.
>>63726094
The rest of the characters are cliche trash. I'm only watching this for the setting and effects.That fucking rebar cannon
>>63731284
The wiki I think has a belter dictionary, although from what I remember contextually from the books, sa-sa seemed more of a contextually driven multi-purpose phrase.
>>63731289
It's a porkpie hat in the books, the actor apparently went for the fedora and the producers/writers were like "Yeah, that works too"
>>63732102
>>63732222
>>63732284
>>63732416
It's hyper focus to pick up on tells and the like. Turns him into a human version of that synth detector thing from Blade Runner more or less.
He had all the background info from reading up on them before interviewing. Beyond the debrief Alex likely gave, they have UN and MC databases at their disposal. Recall when they were being processed, a marine simply touched their skin and got identity results, including immediate identification of Alex as ex MCRN.
>>MCRN
What does the R stand for? Its Mars Congressional Navy, right?
Also, as cool as the railgun scene was, the whole point of hypervelocity projectiles is that they explode like a-bombs when they hit, they don't punch straight through and keep going, that's inefficient as fuck.
>>63723608
There's a hard scifi movie called Europa that really slipped under the radar. Apart from that you have to go back to 2001 for more hard sci
>>63734252
Republic
>>63734252
The point of hypervelocity projectiles is to create enormous amounts of kinetic force. That means penetration power, likely with a secondary explosive payload.
In an atmosphere it would be like an A-bomb going off, because the vibrations of the initial hit are conducted by the air. There's no conducive matter in space, aside from the metal of the ship, which would likely be able to withstand the vibrations, since it is designed to hold up under multiple Gs worth of stress. So yeah, it would punch straight through, but probably still do enormous damage to the exterior of the ship with the initial hit.
>>63727700
Dark Matter tries too hard to be emo and serious when it has neither the budget nor the acting chops to pull it off. It's only chance for going 3+ seasons is to pick up the orphaned Stargate audience that's been waiting years for a comfy ensemble show
>>63726956
Probably not worth buying, but worth checking out at a library.
>>63723159
Yeah. They travelled close enough, if not directly linked, that the Donnager thought they were one ship.
I'll get around to webm'ing the Rociante's escape from the hold soon. Watch the PDCs used on the invading troops was great.
>>63734252
You forgot to mention:
Solyaris
Battlestar Galactica (2001)
Akira
>>63735220
I tried first four episodes of DM and it jsut felt underdone - there's too much low budget sci-fi being pumped out at the moment so a show really has to stand out to make it and DM doesn't have it.
Killjoys looks more fun but one glance at the promo poster had me thinking "They've pumped out a GOTG ripoff so soon?"
The Expanse is blowing everything else out of the liquid nitrogen pools regard sci-fi for now. Gotta love an actual budget.
>>63732222
That would be in the realm of fantasy
The Roci escapes the Donnager's bay.
>>63736896
Should point out it's still the MCRN Tachi at this point. Holden renames it the Rociante (after Don Quixote's horse) later.
>>63726094
She plays a quarian in Mass Effect, I think one of the Admirals, Vas Toenbay if I am not mistaken
