>Mass marketed consumer products are treated like religious experiences in the 21st century
Who else loathes modernity?
>>63614747
Society was never good.
>>63614790
>implying
>people lack societal guidance due to living in homogenized cultural marxist wastelands
>the only remaining compulsions are to procreate and consume
>feminism teaches that wanting to procreate is a disgusting urge that oppresses
>a million beta faggots have nothing left but to buy things or become irrelevant
>only way to relate to someone is to share consumption tastes
>mfw we asked for this
>>63614824
Society was never good.
Survival, consumption, and procreation were always mankind's main interests. The modern society is what gave us the ability to pursue the sciences and create art. Your idea of feminism is a caricature based on dumb shit perpetuated by fat american tweens that are the female equivalent of /r9k/ posters that are laughed at in the actual academic feminist community. I'm not involved in any feminist circles but hating on it through 4chan terms is silly and will color your worldview too strongly and in a dangerous way. Idiots were always idiots. Fuck them. Even Marx considered most of the lower populace fucking mongoloids. He just considered them people too. The bit about relating to people on the basis of their consumption tastes is indeed absolutely disgusting, but it's just how humans interact. Society was never good.
All you've got is yourself and maybe a few loved ones. I'm not telling you to withdraw from society (not at all, actually). I'm just saying that you shouldn't be super concerned with what everybody else thinks and does.jus b urself
>>63614747
Heaven forbid people like to consume stories.
>>63614824
>>only way to relate to someone is to share consumption tastes
/thread
>>63615050
>academic feminist community
>>63614747
Watch out here guys we have a redditor or college student who read his first ayn rand book.
take a fucking chillpill with your stupid ass picture.
>>63614747
Nice to see they brought the bull along with them.
>>63614747
>treated like religious experiences in the 21st century
You're exaggerating. Most people will watch a movie like starwars and then completely forget about it. I can't imagine how much of an autist do you have to be to be triggered by a stupid "nerd" webcomic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbjXnNHXecU&user=RoccoB64
>>63614747
>Who else loathes modernity?
>he says as he picks up his xbone controller and starts playing call of doodie
>>63615283
You got a problem faggot?
>>63615050
>Society was never good
>that are laughed at in the actual academic feminist community
t. cucкlord
>consumer products
>religious experiences
*Adjusts fedora*
What's the difference?
>>63614747
>implying the new Star Wars isn't a bigger deal than what some 2000 year old nobody wrote in between rapes
>>63615467
*smirks knowingly*
>>63614747
>are treated like religious experiences
only by autists who have no life
>>63614824
>only way to relate to someone is to share consumption tastes
If you build relationships on Star Wars, you're already a fuccboi
>>63614747
>implying that religion wasn't the exact same fucking thing
>>63614824
>only way to relate to someone is to share consumption tastes
Sure, if you're a fucking autist. Knowing 4chan, this is probably true.
>>63614747
Society got rid of religion and this has taken its place. Humans are wired for religion.
>>63614747
Dat forced IR pairing
>>63615520
reddit pls go
>>63614747
>Greedo shooting at all
Yellow fewered fags confirmed for retards.
>>63615564
It was probably drawn by some beta weeb faggot, of course his self-insert would have an Asian gf
>>63614747
I am a republican and capitalist, and even I am offended at the gross levels of marketing and cross-promotion of the new Star Wars.
It's just insane.
And lately I've noticed just how many people in the world around me define their existences by the names they clothe and surround themselves in.
It's dehumanizing.
>le wrong generation meme
"Religious experiences" have and continue to be "mass marketed consumer products" as well. Humans don't change that much.
>>63615050
I want to tell you to go back to reddit, but I think we're already there
>>63614824
wow, we certainly don't share the same bubble
>muh childhood
>>63614747
>in his despair, the fascist will deploy progressive arguments.
Oh now you remembered that OP?
I thought everybody watched "MUH GODDAMN MOVIES, Y'ALL WANNA BE LIKE US, YOU LSITEN TO OUR MUSIC, FOLLOWING OUR FASHUN"
Also, the far-left spectator in the OP doddle is a transexual.
>>63614747
>>63614747
Oh god, is that fucking Zen Pencils?
>>63614747
>Ginger
>Gook and white interracial couple
>Nigger
"DUDE THE CURRENT YEAR IS SO BAD" - everyone, every fucking year
>>63615429
Aaron Paul wrote this
>>63614790
keep telling yourself that faggot
this doesn't have much to do with "modernity" but it has plenty to do with the mainstream normalization of nerd culture
>>63615393
mega64 is so based
>>63614747
>a bloo bloo I have no friends ;_;
Are Star Wars fans worse than bronies? They were sitting quiet for a while but now, with SWCU incoming they won't shut the fuck up.
>>63615050
>Your idea of feminism is a caricature based on dumb shit perpetuated by fat american tweens that are the female equivalent of /r9k/ posters that are laughed at in the actual academic feminist community.
Have you BEEN to a college recently?
Hey, I remember this /r9k/ thread too.
>>63614747
I do not loathe modernity, but I have long concluded that I will certainly loathe what mankind will become.
Marketing. It has doomed us. Privacy is dead, we blame the NSA. No. Marketers want your information to target their marketing more efficiently. The NSA picks up most of your data because it's already being collected for other purposes.
Mass market consumer products are not simply sold as religious experiences, but almost as panaceas: not overtly, of course. Marketers contract out researchers to find out how to bypass conscious thought in order to encourage you to buy their crap.
People are encouraged to show idealized versions of themselves online - in other words to optimize their brand. In shortened form: To market themselves as products like mini celebrities. The internet could have transformed humanity for the better, instead it has begun killing humanity and leaving something much worse in their wake. Most people will never care. The outliers - those who value their privacy, those who desire things consumerism cannot provide - the last humans - they will die off eventually.
Why is that bad you deluded leftist c kekold?
>>63615553
>Knowing 4chan, this is probably true.
You're a complete retard if you don't think the exact opposite is true. Normie relationships are fucking built around arbitrary nonsense.
>>63614747
Religions have been mass marketed consumer products for thousands of years.
>>63615922
This. Stop fucking whining you massive faggots.
>>63614747
The corporations won.
People will aggressivley defend and fight for the titles of geek - ie being another consumerist moron
>>63614747
literally the same thing happened with Episode 1.
It's going to be hilarious when people realize it's just as shitty as JJ's Star Trek flicks.
>>63615050
>actual academic feminist community
Oh sorry, I went to university as a biology major, I apparently wasn't down with this "feminist academic community"
And quit your fucking bullshit
They are all on the same side
>>63614747
>nerds treat family fun as some religious gathering
lmao
>>63616412
>implying they're even gonna realize that
>>63614747
"In these l
>>63615520
I'm an athiest too
Can the fucking euphoria kid
>>63615626
>le wrong generation meme
Everytime someone points out something wrong with modern culture, some reddit idiot comes and spews this horseshit meme
>>63616408
>People will aggressivley defend and fight for the titles of geek - ie being another consumerist moron
Hey look guys,I found the asspained revleft marxist.
>>63615922
>>63616394
>waaah stop criticizing what I wike or ill cwy ;_;
>>63615922
And they're never wrong.
>>63615431
It don't real, fuccboi.
>>63616259
I hate this place
>>63616525
I'm actually extremely right wing. But the marxists are right on this one. Why base your identity off of consuming media and buying shitty plastic toys. That's esentially what geek culture is.
You really think endless consumerism is a fulfilling way to live?
Read some books, pick up a sport or something; do anything besides arguing about who shot first or what superhero is the strongest or whatever. There are better ways to spend your time.
>>63615050
>>63616615
>There are better ways to spend your time.
Yeah, like spending time on 4chan, right?
>>63616615
>I'm actually extremely right wing
Lmao I'm sure you are faggot
>>63616046
It's even worse because you aren't allowed to call them out of their bullshit.
>>63616525
I wanted to post this, but hoped I would be wrong. Turns out by the first reply to your post he is on your side. He only bashes the movie because of the black protagonist meme, he just uses left arguments because he can't base his condemnation on his feels alone.
>>63616681
you're here too, uppity faggot :^)
>>63616681
The difference is 4chan isn't a religious experience for me
It isn't a part of my identity
I don't buy 4chan merchandise and spend hours talking about my favorite tripfags and epic memes in real life
It isn't my identity like geek culture is for geeks
>>63616700
Is everyone is either a communist or a geek culture loving sperglord in your world?
>>63616822
>The difference is 4chan isn't a religious experience for me
>It isn't a part of my identity
>I don't buy 4chan merchandise and spend hours talking about my favorite tripfags and epic memes in real life
>It isn't my identity like geek culture is for geeks
then get the fuck out of here normie, go on , GET
>>63616822
>It isn't a part of my identity
As if you aren't "extremely right wing" 100% because of regurgitating /pol/ culture, don't kid yourself.
>>63616753
My argument is perfectly valid and your only retort is to cry racist, when I said nothing of race.
The race/gender of the characters mean nothing. They can be nordics, black, or women. They aren't worth crying over and worshiping either way.
Pretty pathetic, but I honestly didn't expect any better out of a so called "geek"
>>63616883
>regurgitating /pol/ culture
Please kid, I'm pro Zionist and support Mexican immigration.
>>63616951
>My argument is perfectly valid
because it's left-leaning
>when I said nothing of race
duh, that's what I explained. That's what I pointed out in the post and I also said I wouldn't reply if it wasn't your post, where as I correctly assumed, you admitted to be extreme right-wing.
>>63616951
>"geek"
it was pretty obvious I wasn't siding either with you or the anon who replied to you.
>>63617090
Well you don't have a leg to stand on here whoevers side you're on.
You are making up hypothetical arguments for me instead of letting me voice my own opinions on the situation.
>>63617144
>hypothetical arguments for me
nope, I explained it pretty simple and solid, cry more freshman racist.
>>63617176
Lol, I see I'm getting baited
>>63615922
But some years are actually worse then others, aren't they? I mean 1915 was a lot worse then 1905 for a lot more people, to say that was an especially bad year and you'd wish you were born in a different generation would be pretty justified really, looking back on it. Maybe what OP is complaining about isn't quite as bad as being on the western front but you get my point don't you?
>>63615993
Please go plow a field and die of dysentery then
>>63616412
This
Except this time around, we got the media talking about it coming out of our anus... Tweets about it, stupid Facebook tests to see which character are you, tumblerinas filling their endless pages with crap and memes,etc.
Meanwhile I remember back then just making a splash in the news because fucking nerds stood in line for tickets at midnight and meaningless headlines like that.
Now you must avoid all media if you don't wanna see this shit franchise all over.
>>63616614
Then leave.
>>63616807
He's not making the same argument as you dipshit
>>63617272
>lel if you don't love every retarded thing ever you don't deserve modern society
Reddit tier argument from a reddit tier mind
I suggest going back to reddit
>>63614747
>only one proud person of color
>not one but THREE white people shown
it's 2015, seriously
>>63614824
>only way to relate to someone is to share consumption tastes
did you write this yourself? nigga thats poignant as hell
>>63617328
It's not about what you deserve, apparently you don't want modern society, but you're too afraid to admit the alternative was even shittier.
>>63617378
>only way to relate to someone is to share consumption tastes
It's pathetic how many people in this thread are defending that very sentiment
>>63617282
>Except this time around, we got the media talking about it coming out of our anus
right, because Episode 1 was only discussed in underground circles.
you 're this poster >>63617260
>>63617413
Please share the details of all your deep and enlightened connections with people
>>63617403
>it's le white and black, either buy into geek culture or you're a caveman XD
>>>/reddit/
>>63617378
it's good that he thought of that, but he needs to realise further things.
And the sad thing is, what prompted him to this realisation was the initial hate because of le black protagonist man meme
>>63617433
>>63617449
Nothing is stopping you from living in your ideal society but yourself, but it's clear you don't actually want to, or you wouldn't be here
>>63617496
wrong again?
what do you mean again?
>Why are people happy about things?
>Everyone should be a bitter shell of their former self, like me.
>I want everyone to be as cynical and detached as me.
OP, I'll come clean, you sound like an omega fucboi right now
>>63617448
Well for one I don't have to buy my way into social acceptance
>>63617413
>i have a very deep connection with my wife and her sons
>we totally talk about totally deep things not ultimately based on consumerism like________________ ?
Sounds like most of you, raging about that meme, are a lot like the movie goers depicted.
>>63614747
>people shedding tears over a new starwars movie
Zen Pencils is such a hypocritical dipshit
>>63617599
while i agree that most people in this thread are probably Kekolded redditor wastoids trying to defend the last shreds of their dignity, I still think you're mad retarded
>>63614747
this literally makes me sick. hooray corporate manufactured identities! we're all such star wars geeks xD
the asian girl with white dork is just as cliche
>>63617573
>he needs help filling in the blank
>>63617542
>not everything in our modern society is completely wonderful all the time
>let's use this anonymous imageboard to discuss that topic as a way to pass the time
I think that's more what they were getting at you fucking moron. My god why does it pain all you people so much to simply admit that you don't actually live in a utopia? .
>>63617656
> most people in this thread are probably Kekolded redditor wastoids trying to defend the last shreds of their dignity
Then they should go back to /r/starwars to discuss what epic geeks XD they are
>>63617433
I acknowledged there was a splash in the news about it, and it was definitely a very popular movie that reignited a long dead story, but it was nowhere near the amount of sheer frantic nostalgia fest that surrounds what seems to be a stupid cash grab pandering movie.
>>63617712
Nigga what the fuck are you actually talking about
>>63617712
We disagree about what the not so wonderful parts are versus the inconsequential or unavoidable parts
>>63614747
To be fair, it's a huge step up from the ancient savage drivel and snake oil salesmen we used to seek our religious experiences from.
>>63614747
Religion was even worse though. I mean at least Disney is being straight up with you like "this is a work of fiction, only an idiot would take this seriously, that said enjoy your Xwings and lightsabers."
Jesus was some magician guy 2000 years ago who walked on ice, did some sleight of hand tricks and said he was the son of God. So the Jews crucified that guy.
Muhammad was a pedophile warlord who put a sword to people's throats and forced them to convert to Islam and created a system of perpetuated religious patriarchy that still persists today and makes crazy people blow themselves up in the name of Allah.
Buddha was some weird Indian monk guy who still managed to convinced a bunch of asian virgins to shave their heads and live on mountains meditating while saying "Ommmm" for hours hundreds of years after his death.
Joseph Smith was some guy in Utah who wanted to have a bunch of wives, so he said Jesus said he could because it was against the law.
Honestly, I'd much, much, MUCH rather a world where there was no religion at all, but people still had the capacity to be brought to tears and reach fevered levels of excitement by an obvious work of fiction that illustrates and celebrates human compassion, hope, courage and laser beam swords.
But that's just me and the rest of the 21st century. You can keep your bitter misanthropy.
>>63617741
>but it was nowhere near the amount of sheer frantic nostalgia fest that surrounds what seems to be a stupid cash grab pandering movie.
how do you know that? How can you compare? Because I remember it very differently. In fact, I went to the theatre two years prior to watch the re-released OT. There was a lot of buildup to the prequels.
>>63617741
Because it's never been marketed on this level for one and for two being a geek is now more mainstream then ever and the way you prove that you're a real geek is spending money to buy as many shirts and toys as you can which perpetuates the cycle.
>>63617413
>post on circlejerk central
>not relating to anons by sharing consumption tastes
>>63617792
>>63617798
But friends, why do we need to replace it with corporate worship?
>>63616299
Normie relationships are built around arbitrary nonsense, sure, but rarely are they built around 'consumption tastes'. The older you get you realize that it's harder to form relationships around 'consumption tastes'. It may be easier in school (highschool and below), and for stunted manchildren, but not necessarily for 'normal' people. Whereas a child would easily become best friends with a kid at school for enjoying Star Wars, the same is not true for normies in their adult years (i.e. people who aren't autistic manchildren).
I've noticed that here in uni people will form relationships with people in the same academic field, who have similar career goals, through work, and so on, rather than out of common tastes in movies, music, video games, or whatever else. The thing is people have such different interests and tastes that it's uncommon to find someone who does the same things you do, and likes the same things as well. I honestly don't know anyone who bases their identity on the media they consume. It sounds like what someone who hasn't left his house in four years would angrily type out because they lack human relationships, and really have no idea about normal human interactions.
>>63617780
Okay then talk about that don't just spew a bunch of shit about how OP wants to live in medieval times or some other shit like a lot of the people in this thread.
>>63617766
Just because somebody believes their society to be imperfect doesn't actually mean they're a miserable shell of a person who wants everyone to go back to living in medieval times.
>>63614747
>implying there's a difference
Also
>greedo shot first t-shirt
What the actual fuck?
>>63617798
Is this the birth of the latest copypasta?
>>63617798
>Honestly, I'd much, much, MUCH rather a world where there was no religion at all, but people still had the capacity to be brought to tears and reach fevered levels of excitement by an obvious work of fiction that illustrates and celebrates human compassion, hope, courage and laser beam swords.
>But that's just me and the rest of the 21st century. You can keep your bitter misanthropy.
Dude. Epic, simply epic
*tips*
>>63617798
>implying the millions of people who were genocided in europe and asia weren't done by atheist marxists
>implying every great first world nation right now wasn't created on the foundation of Christian morals
you dumb atheist kids don't even know how fucking grateful you should be to Jesus even from the historical perspective
>>63617859
Just don't be a fucking edgelord, you autist, that's all we're saying
>>63617957
So is criticizing society in anyway being an edgelord now?
>>63617448
experiences and how they have shaped your outlooks
>>63617945
>every great first world nation right now wasn't created on the foundation of Christian morals
by christian morals you must mean Christian churches.
>>63617957
No ones being an edge lord
We're pointing out things that are wrong with American media worship
Sorry that triggers you so much
>>63617859
But they don't offer up any alternative for when they thought society was so much better, so it's easy to make medieval pot shots. They just like to complain without having any solutions.
>>63617995
Acting like everyone is a sheep and you're one of the enlightened, 'real' people definitely does
>>63618028
So you're admitting that they're making up nonsense
>>63617998
The average person is simply too boring as a result of the structured nature of our society (not because of pop culture) for this to last longer than 10 minutes. I don't want to hear about how Phil almost choked on meatloaf, and how that made him realize the impermanence of life for the 100th time.
>>63618028
Just because you have a complaint doesn't mean you have to have a solution, where in the fuck did you get that idea from? Just because I can diagnose someone with cancer doesn't mean I can cure them.
>>63618033
Yep, that's true, but hows about instead of focusing on that you actually try to refute the points so we can have a pleasant thread full of discussion rather then pointless shitflinging about who's an autist and who isn't?
>>63618021
>I'm not an edgelord
>I just think everyone is a robot and I'm Neo in the fucking Matrix or something
Nigga just shut up please
>>63617848
Corporate worship as a religious substitute holds no intrinsic danger other than tech shit for everyone else. It's only normies being normie and trying to fit in, being cool by repeating whatever nonsense they heard on tv or read in facebook.
Sure you don't need it but it's going to happen. Better something big, daft & predictable than some loony bin with on a powertrip.
>>63618033
Not everyone, just Amerifat media worshipers
Most of the world shares this sentiment, sorry to break it to you
>>63617798
oh my -you just expressed misanthropy.
>>63618064
I don't know who "they" are. I don't know whose side you're on or what you think I'm saying. Where am I?
>>63618033
>Acting like everyone is a sheep
that's not criticising society. You might want to control your feelings there a little.
>>63618098
America's media is about 80% of the world's media. That's a pretty wide accusation you're making, there.
>>63617848
You don't. Write your own stories, pirate, consume and add your own to open source media. Or don't. It's pretty great not having to conform to these things at the threat of your life and eternal damnation mindgames.
>>63618096
>than *ruining tech shit
So did you say any of this to those people or are you just whining to your 4chan friends?
>>63618006
both true
I just used that wording because some fedora faggot will probably bring up some dumb semantics separation of government and religion quotes. even with that, western civilization is blatantly Christian in culture
>>63617798
get meds dude, seriously, what did you just write?
>>63618091
>being this mad anyone dare insulted your precious geek culture
Holy shit your life is pathetic
>>63618096
>man it's completely normal! Just go with it!
>>63617945
You dumb Christians have no idea how much you owe to the ancient muslim and Arab scholars who not only created the first universities, but also created much of the foundations of modern mathematics and sciences.
Does this mean we should all become Muslim because some smart Muslims hundreds of years ago did something smart in an age where everyone was incredibly stupid? The same rule applies to Christianity and the accomplishments of its disciples. Also I'm pretty sure Japan doesn't care at all about Christ, they barely understand who Jesus was or why he was so amazing. They do love Christmas though, given that it's the child of consumerism.
>>63617848
There's a big space movie coming out and they sell merchandise that has the characters from the movie on it.
That's all that's happening and you're acting like society is crumbling. It's a movie and people like it: that's it.
>>63618133
>>63618147
Yeah but we don't make your media our culture.
I don't blame you for doing it though, you Americans have no culture. That's why you need to make things like Marvel and Star Wars into your identity.
>>63618164
>dumb semantics separation of government and religion
I am that "fedora faggot". Tell me exactly what is christian in the Inquisition and the forced christianisation?
That church saved ancient texts is no good, because they kept them for themselves and wouldn't educate the masses.
>>63614747
>the asian chick is literally yellow
>>63618182
>>63618191
Greeks invented the first universities you dumb revisionist piece of shit
>>63618196
it's not bait. It easy to see you feel offended when someone condemns conformism.
>>63618191
>hurr civilizations have never discovered innovations independently from each other
dumb. every ancient civilization had their own math you retard.
also you're waifu a shit
>>63618087
>Just because you have a complaint doesn't mean you have to have a solution
Then the complaint, especially expressing it here, is essentially worthless. Fuck dude, even in your example there is a solution - tell the person you just diagnosed to go see a specialist.
>>63618191
We're laughing at people who take the space movie seriously.
Why does this trigger you?
>>63618222
>my culture is a bunch of crumbling buildings and some fresh new mosques down the road
>Europe
>2015
>Culture
>>63618182
Please enlighten us as to how fulfilled your life is.
Oh, right, you're posting here.
>>63618182
>Just go with it!
Not suggesting you should. Just that the majority is bound to as a by-product of a functioning society.
Hey Y'all, is it cool that I don't go see the new Star Wars?
I don't give a fuck if you spoil it, I just think that it's a movie made by focus groups and would rather just wait for it to come out on Blu Ray.
>>63618284
>Then the complaint, especially expressing it here, is essentially worthless
How is drawing attention to a problem worthless? If I tell my doctor I'm having difficulty breathing and chest pains the fact I don't know how to fix those problems doesn't somehow make that information worthless does it? Identifying problems and solving them are entirely separate things, why wouldn't they? Once again I must ask you: where in the hell did you get this idea from?
>Fuck dude, even in your example there is a solution - tell the person you just diagnosed to go see a specialist.
Maybe try taking that example a little less literally my friend
>mfw Amerifats start raging if you call geek culture silly
I just found a new way to trigger them forever
>>63618222
>one form of culture is superior because it is older
>>63618262
it's rightwingers who do the revisionism. Universities didn't exist in the institutionalised form you know them today.
Basically, he's right.
Instead of forming Unions and bringing class warfare to the bosses, we sit around butthurt over a movie.
>>63618284
>the complaint, especially expressing it here, is essentially worthless
that's plain stupid. first you understand the situations you don't like and then you deal with them, it's not the other way around.
>yurocancer newfags will never leave 4chan
4chan became a shit hole as soon as the yurocancer invaded in the 2010 world cup
you really never realize how superior you are to these monkeys until they start posting with their insecurities
>inb4 hurr durr stupid american
white americans score higher on tests than yuropoors
>>63618377
Oh boy you dun did it now. Them rednecks a' gon swarm all over your shit.
>>63618377
>forming Unions
Unions are fucking cancer
Go vote Bernie Sanders you economically clueless socialist shitstain
>>63618310
Better hurry to Walmart! They're having a 15% sale on all Star Wars apparel! How will people know what media you consume if you don't wear it and constantly shove it in their faces?
Hurry lad, you can get McDonalds on the way
>>63618328
Poor baby
You genuinely think everyone is as pathetic as you are
>>63617798
This is it. The supreme fedora lord.
>>63618275
>>63618262
>>63618304
actually the first university was created by a muslim woman. maybe you'd know that it was internationally recognized as such if you weren't uneducated, poor and probably religious.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_al-Qarawiyyin
Also this is strictly not true. Many civilizations didn't have very well developed mathematics at all before the greeks. However, the Islamic Golden Age is recognized by historians and scientists as one of the most important times in human history in terms of scientific, mathematical and medical discoveries, all by muslim scholars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Agealso you're dumb, Maisie is a perfect woman and a miracle of the universe.
>>63618459
>Walmart
>mcdonalds
Are you from 2006 or something
>>63614747
so tumblr
>black guy
>white guy with a betakek haircut
>asian girl
>ginger (most likely a tranny)
>>63618226
>Inquisition and the forced christianisation?
I was talking about modern western nations like America. Despite that violence, Christian based laws being installed probably saved more lives since it made everyone such huge moralfags who prioritized charity, helping the weak and all that shit.
>because they kept them for themselves
lol is this some reddit version of the "dark ages" Books were created BY HAND. only noble classes could get a hold of them at the time Christian or not.
>wouldn't educate the masses
Johannes Gutenberg who created the printing press which exponentially spread the information available to people was a Christian. one of his major works was printing the Gutenberg Bible.
God I'm arguing with people who get their information from liberal cartoons
>>63618310
>what is Detroit?
>What is Flint?
>What is New Orleans?
>What is LA?
>>63618434
eh. used to it.
>>63618428
>why can't we be alone in the world abloobloobloobloo
>>63618450
>economically clueless
>a Union that takes care of my interests, is against me
>if the Mafias infiltrate the Union, it's the Union's fault for existing
>MAS'AH IS GOOD, GIVES ME FOODS, GIVES ME SLEEPS, YOUS GONNA GET ME IN TROUBLE MOSES
>>63618362
If you went to your doctor and they cured you - that's a real, tangible solution that you've always had. Here's an example for you, because you're terrible at them: A teenage girl posting a rainbow on her Facebook for a few days to support gay rights. Are you really going to tell me that that method of "drawing attention" to an issue is really valuable? Because posting your complaints on 4chan is even worth less than that.
>>63618377
Instead of forming unions you throw away thousands to buy an identity then argue for your right to do so
>>63618377
Delusional socialist detected
>>63618549
good point, won't argue against that
>>63618417
That's the thing - nobody here is going to do shit to "deal with them"
>>63615050
>that post
It's almost as if students at a Yale university didn't exclude the press from a public commons by claiming it as a "safe space" less than 2 months ago
>>63618377
Plato led one of the first universities you mongoloid
>>63618544
> UNIONS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MY LIVING STANDARDS
no, that would be capital investment and economic production
>UNIONS AREN'T PARASITES ON THE ECONOMY AND DON'T RESTRICT THE SUPPLY OF LABOUR WHICH FUCKS OVER THE MAJORITY OF THE WORKING CLASS
k bro
>>63618489
Still waiting.
>>63618544
>MAS'AH IS GOOD, GIVES ME FOODS, GIVES ME SLEEPS, YOUS GONNA GET ME IN TROUBLE MOSES
Sheeit. Fuckin rekt.
>>63618546
>Here's an example for you, because you're terrible at them: A teenage girl posting a rainbow on her Facebook for a few days to support gay rights. Are you really going to tell me that that method of "drawing attention" to an issue is really valuable?
Maybe not all examples of drawing attention to something are equal. Maybe OPs isn't such a great example really, I'd admit that, but this idea you have that you HAVE To have a solution to a problem ready in order to solve it is just so completely and utterly asinine.
>>63618507
Oh degree awarding sure, if that's what you define as when a university first started then you're righty
>>63618507
>implying there was no tertiary (or higher-tier) education before the muslims
>implying the islamic golden age wasn't brought to an end by religious fundamentalism
>implying maisie isn't a down-syndrome dwarf
Shit taste.
>>63615050
>actual academic feminist community
thats not a real thing
>>63618544
Unions are what drove American jobs to China
Thanks though!
>tfw you'll never be a member of Pinkerton and kill Union thugs
>>63618663
This is different from most real world examples because our system has built in solutions as long as you defer to someone else - a doctor, a politician, a priest. This "problem" laid out by OP would require some form of magic to override human nature. Problems like that are what I'm talking about where just thinking you've identified it is pointless.
>2015
>not Catholic
>>63618377
>Instead of forming Unions and bringing class warfare to the bosses, we sit around butthurt over a movie.
>>63618507
what part of independently don't you not understand? educational institutions were all over the world already existed even without that. they'll eventually get to the university conclusion without knowledge of your wiki article and some of them did
>we got parts of their math without desert savagery
lol ok
>>63618743
>tfw you'll never be a member of Pinkerton and kill Union thugs
That would be pretty awesome actually.
>implying using compelling stories and imagery to sell shit in a modern concept
>>63618804
I'm sorry, I'm just not into pederasty.
Sure disneys pandering to nostalgia for profit, but that doesn't exclude or eliminate the chance of an authentic and genuine story that resonates with audiences. I don't actually think episode 7 will be all that great, but business and genuineness are not mutually exclusive
>>63614747
See you opening night.
>>63618638
>that would be capital investment and economic production
if there wasn't a massive outcry and bloody strikes, do you really think the romneys and fords of this world would give you anything? It's the buildup of the fucking class warfare that led to the Spanish Revolution, the Russian Revolution (no matter the outcomes of both), and to the independence of Latin America nations from the spanish colonialism. Almost all of those revolutions had a strike at the heart.
If the workers aren't united they 're going to get killed being alone. These are your interests. There is no hard work to form capital. You have to be predatory.
Here is ancap explained to you, in /tv/ terms:
Imagine the Wire drugdealers co-op. They come in, form alliances, and from tiem to time they go to war. Now imagine you found a job as a corner kid: you don't know much about shit, if you don't keep your ear to the street, you just want the dough. You stay long hours in the corner, risk arrest, death and humiliation for a measly returnof the profits, crumbles.
Now imagine if Prop Joe, Avon, Marlo, Junebug and the rest sold EVERYTHING. Not just drugs: food, soda drinks, pillows, cars, clothes, houses.
That's what they are trying to do.
>>63618428
Don't for get your plus sized bullet proof vest
>Greedo shot first
Never ever seen anyone say or wear anything like that.
Seems like it was made by a fake fan who thinks there is some kind of debate about it.
>>63614824
>people lack societal guidance due to living in homogenized cultural marxist wastelands
As opposed to rigid class structures, enforced religious education, women designated to the kitchen or service industry, an unashamedly ideology-driven justice system, complete homogeneity of consumption habits, lack of access to unsanctioned media, irrational censorship and groupthink & doublespeak, the list goes fucking on?
you're a hypocritical fool. the 'homogenized cultural marxist wasteland' you bitch about allows you to shitpost on this image board of degenerates and mooch off your parents without repercussions.
>the only remaining compulsions are to procreate and consume
projecting much? go for a walk outside. take a look at passers by. sunlight might do you some good anyway. not everyones spiritual compulsions have dissipated.
>feminism teaches that wanting to procreate is a disgusting urge that oppresses
literally untrue
>a million beta faggots have nothing left but to buy things or become irrelevant
and this is a contemporary phenomenon, how?
>only way to relate to someone is to share consumption tastes
P R O J E C T I N G
>>63618724
the islamic golden age WAS brought to an end by religious fundamentalism, which is exactly why we as people who can look at history and see how much shit's been wrought from it, should probably decide to close the book on this whole religion thing entirely.
however your poor sensibilities when it comes to women illustrates your lacking perceptiveness entirely. I shouldn't be surprised.
And if you really want to suck the Greeks dicks so much, you have to admit that muslims were smarter. The mussies just wanted some underaged waifus and to live happily forever in a sweet garden with 72 virgins to yourself. The greeks just wanted to write philosophy books and fuck teenaged boys up the arse.
>>63618870
>>63618804
see, muslims are clearly smarter than Catholics. The muslims mainly like to molest teen girls, the Catholics have to be gay about it and molest little oys.
>>63618909
Daily reminder that socialism is irrelevant in the 21st century and social democracy is objectively a better system in theory and in practice
>>63614824
Didn't you post that on /r9k/?
>>63618909
>do you really think the romneys and fords of this world would give you anything?
They have/had no choice.
The market dove up wages and raised living standards for all.
Unions had very little to do with this.
Enjoy your socialist delusions though.
>>63618926
>an unashamedly ideology-driven justice system, complete homogeneity of consumption habits, lack of access to unsanctioned media, irrational censorship and groupthink & doublespeak,
L O L
and modern marxist culture doesn't do this?
>>63618926
> not everyones spiritual compulsions have dissipated.
Right
And Star Wars is their new church
>>63618544
>deflection
>you have bad cities too!
Eurokek education
>>63618955
Social democracy IS socialism, just because you vote doesn't make it not socialism.
Social democracy IS a massive failure, look at Greece and most of Europe.
Fuck, even in Denmark and Sweden you are taxed to shit and live in small houses.
Eat shit you clueless retard.
>>63615050
underrated post, didn't smell of reddit to me. don't mind the kneejerkers whove probably never come close to seeing any woman other than their mother naked.
>>63618955
Christ, the only social democracy that isn't noticeably crashing is Norway because they have that sweet oil money to pay for it.
Denmark has the highest household debt in the world.
Sweden is going backrupt.
Finland has nojobs.
Not to mention all the shitty irrelevant countries like spain and greece that are bankrupt.
>>63618938
>What are boarding schools
>What are nunneries
Catholicism evolved into a way for sexually confused and ignorant homosexuals, lesbians and pedophiles to satisfy their urges under the cover of religious gobbledygook. It's about the same as Islam, just more veiled and subtle about it.
>>63618955
you read my wall of text and because you can't deny history or the class struggle you already just conclude: "socialism is irrelevant"
>>63618988
>They have/had no choice.
correct
>The market dove up wages
it was actually Ford's idea to raise wages (and considered odd in the time by fellow industrialists) so that the consumption of products could be guaranteed.
The market doesn't simply do things.
>>63618909
> that delusional understanding of anarchism
Tell me again how anarchism means no courts or law.
For long ago Heaven's Dwellers in person used to visit
The chaste homes of heroes and show themselves at mortal
Meetings, while religion was not yet held in scorn.
Often the Fathers of Gods, enthroned in shining temple,
When with their festal days his annual rites had come,
Would watch one hundred bulls slump prostrate to the ground.
...
But after Earth was stained with crime unspeakable
And all evicted justice from their greedy thoughts,
Brothers poured the blood of brothers on their hands,
Sons no longer grieved when parents passed away,
Father prayed for death of son in his first youth
So as freely to possess the bloom of a new bride,
Mother, lying impiously with ignorant son,
Dared impiously to sin against divine Penates.
Our evil madness by confounding fair with foul
Has turned away from us the Gods' forgiving thoughts.
Wherefore they neither deign to visit such meetings
Nor let themselves be touched by light of day or eve.
What's with all the pissed off edgelords? It it Christmas vacation already?
See you opening night, OP.
>>63619035
you started the argument, I don't see how I deflect.
>>63619043
>even in Denmark and Sweden you are taxed to shit and live in small houses
do you seriously believe this? Have you evr been to Europe?
>>63619043
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
>first sentence is literally "not to be confused with democratic socialism"
Social democracy pays for social programs by taxing the profits of capitalism, socialism is a complete restructuring of the means of production.
You shit eating retard.
>>63619108
>delusional
how so? care to counterargue? oh that's right, you can't deny history.
>>63619146
Have YOU been to denmark or talked to a dane ever? It's so godawfully expensive in denmark. It's impossible to NOT be in debt as a dane.
>>63619100
There is no debating with a fanatic. I was posting that for the good of the rest of the people here.
Good luck with your worker co-ops though
>>63619177
>It's so godawfully expensive in denmark. It's impossible to NOT be in debt as a dane
is that your argument?
>>63619100
>The market doesn't simply do things.
HAHAHA holy fuck
You just admitted it did.
If Ford wasn't extremely profitable he wouldn't have been able to raise wages.
If Ford didn't raise wages he wouldn't have gotten great workers and the workers would have gone elsewhere.
The market is what raises wages you gigantic dumb fuck.
I grew up in Alberta and when our oil boom happened all wages were driven up, even McDonald's was paying 18 dollars an hour.
Were all of these companies just extremely nice randomly out of nowhere?
Why are you leftists virtually brainless?
>>63619146
Bitch, I moved from Sweden to the United States.
I pay next to nothing in taxes here and I can afford a big-ass house.
don't forget to see the roadshow after star wars!
>>63619096
There is not a greater prevalence of child molestation in the Catholic Church than there is in any other institution (like other religions, or the public school system). It's just that the liberal media detests the Church and delights in slandering her.
Saying that the Church "evolved" under a sexual impulse is just trite, post-Freudian garbage. You haven't read any Catholic theology or history; probably not acquainted even with the Scriptures and prayers.
>>63619228
Same here, senpai. Half my graduating class emigrated to the US. Absolutely pointless living in Sweden if you want to make something of yourself.
>>63616286
>The outliers - those who value their privacy, those who desire things consumerism cannot provide - the last humans - they will die off eventually.
Nah. So long as colleges and university campuses are around, this won't happen.
>>63619240
Keep telling yourself that fanboy. Maybe you'll even start to believe it.
>>63619215
>great workers
do you know what the terms "unspecialised/unskilled labour", "line production" and "scale economics" mean?
>the workers would have gone elsewhere
yes, like bees to a flower or flies to sugar. Some might go. SOme others would not be able to go. Strikes were a real thing you know and they would not always result to a win. If somebody already paid better, everybody would leave, why risk conflict with strike breakers and arrests when you can simply look for another job?
>>63619215
>Were all of these companies just extremely nice randomly out of nowhere?
No they were receiving pressure from labor groups and politicians.
>>63614747
>being entertained by movies
ultimate plebeian
>>63619382
>Offers no substantive rebuttal.
Kek
>>63616286
>Marketing. It has doomed us. Privacy is dead, we blame the NSA. No. Marketers want your information to target their marketing more efficiently. The NSA picks up most of your data because it's already being collected for other purposes.
The problem isn't a lack of privacy, it's a lack of meaningful community. The liberal ideology of the 18th and 19th century which prioritizes the individual's "liberty" and "pursuit of happiness" makes every man a law unto himself, divorces him from any real community. He no longer has any duty to God, to the State, nation, or tribe, to the family, to the neighbourhood. All he has is his individual desires. Fact is that man is a social animal and he's happiest when he's sharing happiness. The liberal idea of a man as an individual ego, self-sufficient, is simply false. The American ideal of the cowboy who makes up his own law in an a-moral wasteland explains it all. "Rugged individualism" is despair.
>>63619215
Employers are generally more scarce than labor.
This is why unions came about; to redress that balance and thus win better working conditions via organized withholding of labor and (off the record) kicking the shit out of scabs who would harm the whole to help themselves.
>>63614824
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>>63615393
That's not the bald guy masturbating the droid.
>>63619505
shh, you're not supposed to mention that the unemployed:job vacancy ratio is like 3:1 in the USA and even worse in the UK. everyone can get a job if they just try hard enough :^)
>>63619491
You're not worthy of one, especially since you put the Catholic church on a higher moral pedestal than other institutions, then claim that because abuse happens elsewhere, that makes it ok within that preferred system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases_by_country
>But muh books and dogma
Clearly not worth a shit unless you think this is right.
>>63619450
>No they were receiving pressure from labor groups and politicians.
HAHAHAHAHA HOLY FUCKING SHIT
You ACTUALLY believe this?
Every single one of them, Every fucking company in Alberta raised their wages because of "pressure" from irrelevant labor groups.
Nothing at all to do with supply and demand?
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
>>63619505
>to redress that balance and thus win better working conditions
It was pointless because these things came in time anyway. Unions were a very small part of this process.
>kicking the shit out of scabs
This is why the majority of people hate unions.
>>63619415
>do you know what the terms "unspecialised/unskilled labour", "line production" and "scale economics" mean?
Do you even have an argument?
Also you're ignoring my point about the economy of Alberta.
Pretty much destroys your argument.
>>63619498
>The problem isn't a lack of privacy, it's a lack of meaningful community. The liberal ideology of the 18th and 19th century which prioritizes the individual's "liberty" and "pursuit of happiness" makes every man a law unto himself, divorces him from any real community. He no longer has any duty to God, to the State, nation, or tribe, to the family, to the neighbourhood
you are either a forward progressive or a member of a christian denomination. I hope it's the first, it looks 90% like it.
>>63618990
>and modern marxist culture doesn't do this?
correct. it doesnt. pandering buzzfeed and gawker type websites doesn't = MUH SOCIETY CONSPIRACY AGAINST STRAIGHT MALES.
you of course wouldn't understand this as you likely have spent your entire life on the internet.
>>63619597
>thinking what the american economy now needs is unions
Yes, restricting the supply of labour will SURELY increase the employment rate.
>>63619636
>It was pointless because these things came in time anyway
The sheer kindness of employers was a rare force. Unions and governmental regulations were necessary in many areas (Exception going to those instances where there was a spike in demand for labor in an area with low supply) because it's long been a fact that there's a surplus of labor. Unemployment has been an issue for centuries.
Do you know what happens when supply>demand for a resource (such as workers) in a free market?
>>63619636
>these things came in time anyway. Unions were a very small part of this process.
yeah, ok, we tried to give you a glimpse, you try to play the smart pants guy. You are an idiot and you should shut the fuck up. Not only don't you know shit, you don't want to listen. You are traumatised.
>you're ignoring my point about the economy of Alberta.
>Pretty much destroys your argument.
it really does not.
>>63619636
>here's one case in alberta
>THIS IS APPLICABLE TO EVERY LABOR MARKET
fuck sakes, might as well just go
>here is the price of bottled water in a disaster zone
>THIS IS APPLICABLE TO ALL SALES OF BOTTLED WATER.
>>63619715
>Unemployment has been an issue for centuries
and a permanent tennet of capitalist economy might I add
you can never have capitalism without unemployment.
>>63619676
actually, i'd argue for basic income and reduced working hours instead of bringing back unions.
unions COULD do it by making arbitrary restrictions on which employee does what, but that would be much more inefficient.
i was making a broader point about the expectation that everyone currently unemployed can find a job if they just try hard enough, even though this is a mathematical impossibility.
>>63619794
there were a few instances of 'full' employment in history. usually it drives up inflation, though.
>>63618804
>not Greek or Russian Orthodox
>>63619601
I'm not the guy who you are replying to, but I am the guy who was defending the Church originally.
I don't think that it is OK. It is an abomination and the priests' own religion condemns them. They will have a special price to pay on Judgement Day.
The point is that the media has put it into ignorant people's minds that the only thing that the Catholic Church represents is child rape and the cover-up of child rape. They aren't taught the history of the Church, its doctrine, its influence on our culture, etc. They are basically just told that its an evil relic of the "Dark Ages" and a child-rape ring. This is liberal propaganda and nothing more. Yes these priests are guilty, very guilty; but reducing this ancient Church to that is like reducing the art of ballet to the molestation of little ballet girls, as though there was nothing more to ballet than that crime incidental to the thing itself.
>greedo shot first
>>63619848
>Greek or Russian Orthodox
The best thing about these churches is that they are Orthodox, i.e. they have preserved much of the traditions of the ancient faith. The worst thing is that they are "Greek" and "Russian" and not CATHOLIC (which means "universal"). The ancient apostolic creed affirms faith in the Holy CATHOLIC (universal) Church, not a church of one nation or group of nations.
>>63619715
>The sheer kindness of employers was a rare force.
Nobody is talking about kindness you retard.
The employers were forced to do this due to economic production.
Employees could simply go elsewhere if an employer didn't pay enough. This happened for over 200 years.
>Unions and governmental regulations were necessary in many areas
But they weren't and only caused problems.
The workweek was shrinking long before the government stepped in with any viable laws. pic related
>>63619794
Small amounts of unemployment isn't necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes people have enough money and don't want to work, or they are being supported by other people.
