Why does everyone call this the worst one out of the original three?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A
This scene was great.
It has great scenes and really bad scenes.
>>63546907
Best of the 3 tbqh
>>63546907
it's literally a great movie and a terrible movie intercut with each other.
Most people agree that the stuff between luke/vader/sheev and the final space battle is on part with Empire. It's the plodding pace, emphasis on slapstick comedy and the ewoks that bring things down
Still a pretty good movie though. Anyone who says it's worse than any of the prequels should be shot
>>63546907
Because it's not as good as the other two? Doesn't mean it's bad, it's just certain aspects, like the ewoks, make people think less of it.
It is slightly campy, especially after Empire Strikes Back.
>>63546907
VI is my favorite but I rate them
V > VI > IV or V > VI = IV
It's not that IV is bad, the other two are just better
Why is Luke fondeling his sister?
>>63546958
Agreed senpai.
Who VI > IV > V here?
>>63546907
>This scene was great.
Yes, it was, but a great scene does not a great movie make.
>putting Bib Fortuna on the poster
WHY?
Jedi is still my favorite despite the teddy bears. Is there a non bear edit yet?
>>63546907
I'ts more kids oriented ?
>>63547127
this
>>63546907
Because it is the worst of the original three. That doesn't make it bad though. Return of the King was also the worst of that trilogy, but still a great movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiDRgDmXGi4
Q.E.D.
>>63547536
Merchandise.
V>VI>IV
>>63548776
I find this so astoundingly retarded. George Lucas went out of his way to create a gibberish dance number/music video with CGI monstrosities mugging the camera that goes on for several minutes.
>>63549462
No. Star Wars > V >VI. Star Wars is the Better story. and what's this IV?
>>63548776
if it wasn't for this scene, i could handle the cgi
>>63546907
ROTJ is the star wars movie as an adult and realize it wasn't as good as you remembered. The thing about it is that it could have been as good, if not better than empire. Everything at Jabba's Palace, the scenes on Dagobah, the space battles, and Luke vs Vader are brilliant.
ROTJ's problems all lie with the ewoks. There are just so many scenes that serve no purpose to the plot. They're just time fillers, slapstick comedy for the kids. If those scenes had been done better ROTJ would have been a much stronger film.
the
>EMPIRE IS BEST OBVI
meme really hurt ROTJNew Hope is best you pleb
>ewoks
>second Death star
>silly stuff in Jabbas palace
>>63546907
Because one scene doesn't make a film good you retard.
>>63549772
This is how we know you were born before 1983
>>63549772
Basically this. Lucas threw away elements that would have made it the most harrowing part of the trilogy, a great victory won at a great cost with Han Solo dead and Luke walking away into the sunset Man With No Name style, in favor of getting a slice of that Care Bears money.
And just to drive the fact home that it was "his" movie and that "he" did the right thing, he added shit like this >>63548776 and an over celebration at the end.
>>63546907
From Gary Kurtz: "it boiled down to the fact that he became convinced that all the audience was interested in was the roller-coaster ride, and so the story and the script didn’t matter anymore."
http://www.ign.com/articles/2002/11/11/an-interview-with-gary-kurtz
ROTJ is still far ahead of the prequels, but Lucas' pandering for merchandise really strikes out against an otherwise beautiful story. Han's role is really embarrassing compared to the previous episodes.
The thing is an omen of much stupider films. It's harder to watch knowing it's the first hint of what came later.
Still, ROTJ is my personal favorite. Too much good to let the stupid invalidate it entirely. The Vader/Luke relationship is arguably the most emotionally poignant stuff in all of Star Wars.
>>63546907
I was a little kid when I first saw it so I never had any hate for the Ewoks. I can see why people would hate the idea of getting off Kashyyyk but I like that we got to see a primitive civilization that wasn't hostile (e.g. Sand People) within the SW universe.
Love the scene of C-3PO telling them the tale of the adventure so far. Also Leia overcoming the language barrier with Wicket. Some of the speeder bike chase/final battle got a little goofy but whatever desu
>>63550184
the trouble with killing off Han is that it would have totally dampened the impact of Vader sacrificing himself at the end.
Star Wars is very much an idealized universe. think about how weird it would be if Luke hadn't almost immediately gotten a new hand in ESB to get an idea of how "off" it would feel to kill Han Solo then expect the audience to give a fuck about Darth "been an asshole the whole series" Vader changing sides. They would have just gone "gee I wish he'd changed sides earlier then Han would be alive".
The problem with RotJ from a narrative standpoint is the lack of character arcs for Han, Leia and Luke, not the lack of character deaths.
>>63546907
>"I will not fight you, father."
>fights father
>>63550335
Pretty much the same for me. I never saw the Ewoks as annoying, but I guess for an older person viewing it got really off-puting really fast. It's still my favourite of the three. The entire Luke/Vader/Emperor scenes were great and it also helps that Luke isn't a whiny teenager anymore. And the ending with Luke and Vader gets me every time.
>>63546907
The low-budget scenes on Endor with the Ewoks and reusing the Death Star plot device spoiled what would otherwise have been the best of the trilogy.
If they'd stuck with the original plan of having the climax of the movie involve a battle on Coruscant (a more gothic-styled place in the old concept art), it would have been god tier.
>>63549627
It's your penis size, mate
>>63550041
1988 actually
>>63550507
"Leave muh-HIK"
Star wars is for children.
Everything after the ewoks is pretty good.
the ten minutes of throne room scenes doesn't make up for a weak second act and the fact that Leia and Han stand in front of the door for their ending to the series
>>63547536
He was the key to all of this
Teddy bears fighting the evil empire
For me its the repeat of the Death Star and the Ewoks. I get why the Empire wants a machine capable of destroying a planet and why they want to try again but it doesn't make for an interesting conflict when you've seen it once already. The Ewoks are just too silly and waste too much time. I don't hate them but I can't help feeling like it would have been better without them or maybe with a different species like Wookies.
>>63547304
He's only human
>>63546907
A lot of Jabba's Palace overstayed its welcome.
Same goes for the Forest Moon of Endor.
Yoda's death felt like it was out of left field.
Return of the Jedi isn't a bad movie. It's just got a few more flaws than the other two.
>>63550595
>star wars could have preempted 40k and pushed grimdark into the mainstream back during the 80s
Goddammit, why are we always stuck with the worst of all possible worlds?
>>63548776
what's the problem? it's worldbuilding. and it's fun.
faggots.
>>63550895
there was really no reason for it to be the longest Star Wars film. a lot of the problems with it are just the result of it being needlessly extended instead of the story being paced around what actually happens.
>>63546970
This. Exactly.
>>63546907
The problem with RoTJ is that the climax of Luke's confrontation with the Emperor in the throne room was completely irrelevant to the plot. The Death Star was going to be destroyed in a few minutes, so even if Luke had been killed or had fallen to the dark side, the Emperor and Vader would have still died and the Rebels would have still won.
>>63546970
which part is the terrible movie?
>>63551191
Ewoks, scenes that don't move the plot along, etc.
I don't, Jedi is my favorite. 6 > 5 > 4, imo.
>>63546907
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k-3AIIiHF8
this scene was not
it's still my favorite of the three.
>>63546907
Absolutely the best Star Wars movie.
Jabba's Palace scenes, Battle on Endor, all of the throne room scenes...it's just the best.
There's some great shit but it's compromised by terrible shit like Jabba's Palace running too long and everything with the Ewoks.
It's like the primordial soup of the prequel trilogy, where you can see the worst excesses begin to take form.
It has been 30 years and there is still no greater space battle in cinematic history.
you now realise that han solo is entirely irrelevant to the outcome in ROTJ
>>63551191
the first and second acts are just misconceived. the first act in particular is literally just them being captured one by one in retarded ways so that the big action climax can happen with them all prisoners. Endor is mostly just Lucas dragging his feet until the final battle can start.
a big issue is that none of the heroes have any character arc potential left. so the movie is really just a series of scenes where they get captured, then escape one way or another.
- All the characters are captured by Jabba one after the other, then escape thanks to Luke.
- On Endor they're all captured by the Ewoks then C3PO negotiates their release.
- Luke is captured by Vader on purpose
- Everyone on Endor is captured by the Empire then escapes thanks to the Ewoks.
- Luke escapes thanks to Vader.
That's literally the entire plot of the movie because none of the characters have anymore growth to undergo.
I'm finally watching the Star Wars movies and was genuinely entertained by V, much better direction than what we got in IV. I remember little bits of Episode VI, is it inferior to Empire Strikes back?
My only complaint with Empire is that Vader's body language isn't as imposing as I feel it should be. Maybe it's the camera angles but when he reveals to Luke that he's his father, the impact wasn't that powerful.
>>63550386
>dampened the impact of Vader sacrificing himself at the end.
I disagree. It would have made for a bigger "all hope is lost" situation, lending a more emotional impact to Vader's sacrifice. Note that it was not Vader that was meant to kill Han, his death ideas ranged from him committing a Kamikaze like sacrifice to take out the shields, to the Ewoks boiling him alive and eating him, to keeping him alive but going ahead with a darker film with Wookiees instead of Ewoks at the battle of Kashyyyk.
> Millenium Falcon flies under the Medical Frigate.
> I cum everytime.
>>63551533
I can't wait to see the Auralnauts take on the Ewoks/C3P0 stuff in RotJ.
>>63551525
It was just a dogfight against a backdrop of big ships. In fact, the only instances in the whole six movie series where there is a direct exchange of fire between capital ships on screen is during a few seconds worth of footage during the space scene at the start of Episode III.
Which is why Star Wars is awful.
>>63548776
>Bobafett just stands there like
>I'm too fucking good for this shit
>>63546907
People that like RotJ are and always have been plebs.
Empire is the only "good" Star Wars movie. '77 is pretty good, but its flaws prevent it from being a classic in my opinion. People look at it with rose-tinted goggles thanks to its legacy.
>>63551690
>but when he reveals to Luke that he's his father, the impact wasn't that powerful
Funny story, they didn't tell the actor what Vader was actually saying on set (his VA was different than the guy in the costume). The line that was read on set was something like "No, Obi-Wan killed your father". Vader's body actor was quite pissed, and said he would have emoted differently if he knew the real line.
>>63552113
There is exchange of capital ship fire in RotJ.
It only gets good when it gets to Endor
You know it to be true
>>63546907
3:15 to 3:52 is 40seconds of cinematic bliss. The music is literally perfect
>>63546907
one scene does not a movie make
personally, one of my top 3 scenes is the short conversation Luke has with Vader on the way up to the Emperor. the whole republic armada lead by Lando against the deathstar2 was pretty great too.
its still not the best movie.
>>63552159
the crappy part of IV is the section of the story that is literally just the droids wandering about. Then it's pretty much all fantastic once they finally get the fuck off of Tatooine.
Worldbuilding is hard, honestly, and Lucas' instinct was clearly to have way too much of it.
>>63552288
im sorry, i meant the fighter squadrons led by Lando. he was not in charge of the armada.
>>63552321
Lucas watched Lawrence of Arabia and wanted to have a bunch of long, atmospheric desert shots at the start of the movie.
>>63551533
VI still has a lot of character development. Luke and leia learn that they are siblings, the whole dagobah part where yoda tells him he has to face vader and he talks with obi wan again. And the I aggree the jabba part was a bit pointlessly drawn out though
>>63546907
Well, as a whole I consider it to be second best movie in the entire series, right after ESb, but the scene from OP is literally my favorite scene from Star Wars and probably the est thing Lucas ever created
>implying Lucas had something to do with it
>>63547424
Children.
>>63550386
>One major character dying diminishes the impact of another character making a major sacrifice
I don't think so.
>>63550411
to be fair he more attacks his father than fight. Vader was completely outmatched by that point.
>>63552367
they separate for no reason and then end up back together again by pure coincidence, then are bought by exactly the right person, again by pure coincidence. they could have just been picked up by the Jawas(?) with the same shots of the desert and met Luke without it taking as much time.
>>63552321
Tatooine is literally supposed to be a boring shithole, that's why Luke wants to leave.
Besides, Mos Eisley was great. The Cantina is probably the basis for why you have shit like Wookieepedia, it's background character pornography.
>>63552392
>Luke and leia learn that they are siblings, the whole dagobah part where yoda tells him he has to face vader and he talks with obi wan again
this is all just clarifying and rehashing details from ESB in my opinion. they might have only added the idea of Leia being Luke's sister because they needed someone to be able to hear him calling for help while stranded at the bottom of cloud city, weird as that sounds.
>>63552200
Why would they do something like that?
>>63552200
That's a damn shame because it could have been an even more powerful scene.
>>63551191
all of it except the throne scenes and parts of the barge scenes
if it was released in the prequel era everyone would see how shitty of a movie it actually is, but no, we have to keep pretending it's good because of the "originals are flawless and prequels are an abomination" meme.
>>63546907
Why is this a shit movie? These 10 minutes out of 2 hours are great!
>>63552200
>>63552868
I don't know. Lucas fucked Prowse over until the current day. he never got the royalties he was owed. when Prowse sued, he was told that Star Wars never made a profit. when he was hired, he didn't know someone else would be dubbing his lines.
And now the poor guy has dementia so badly memorizing any lines is difficult if not impossible, so the chance of him having a cameo in the new trilogy is nil
>>63553100
To be fair, there are rumors that he was a nightmare to work with on set and that he didn't get along with anyone there. Still, Lucas should have paid him what he was due and tell the poor guy that he'd get dubbed.
>>63553168
>On 13 May 2009, Prowse publicly declared his support for the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP) in the European Parliament election, 2009. Prowse said that "I've looked right and left and right again and the only party I can safely vote for is UKIP," and "And I have two messages for those considering how to vote. Firstly, stop, look and listen to what is being said. Only UKIP is actually telling us the truth about the European Union and why we need to leave it. Secondly, may June the fourth be with you."
sounds like a cool dude.
>>63552868
Worried about leaks
>>63546943
It made the empire seem like a joke and most of the scenes look like they were made for tv.
