Why were all the Jedi complete assholes to him? Did he even have any friends besides his waifu and Obi Wan? I feel bad for him.
>>63517906
They weren't though, because he was a good friend.
>>63517906
No, he was a insubordinate fuck head who constantly fucked shit up for the Jedi.
>>63517906
Luke, did I ever tell you about the jedi not being allowed to love?
It was an incredibly odd rule that we had absolutely no hope in hell of enforcing, given that jedi flew all across the galaxy, numbered only a few thousand, could leave the order at any time and had complete autonomy.
Oddly enough, your father never once exploited this, and instead was in a very obvious relationship with your mother.
Well, I say obvious in hindsight, since despite being his closest friend, I never once suspected it or thought anything of the vast amounts of time he spent with her.
I suppose the 56th time he said he was going to see Evar Orbus and his galactic Jizz Wailers in the same month ought to have been a tip off, but it's not the sort of things you think of your good friends doing. Even after they genocide people.
And he was a good friend
>>63517906
>Did he even have any friends besides his waifu and Obi Wan?
shit, he reminds me of me, now i feel sorry for him.
>>63517906
obi wan was a shit friend though
I would be a complete asshole and a whiny if she leaves me because I was stupid enough to not believe in her inocence. I unferstand Annie... he was a good friend.
>>63517906
>tbf sheev had the right idea
Guy literally carried the jedi on his back during the clone wars and they were offended by having to give him a seat on the council
Wtf
>>63518136
did he eat the pigeon?
>>63517906
because from his higher ground he had the point of view desu senpai
>>63517906
But Obi Wan his "friend" was an overbearing, condescending asshole to him.
Anakin told yoda exactly what he was feeling
he told him about his visions, how his mother and his past haunted him
and what did yoda do? told him to forget about it cause it makes you feel bad and feeling bad makes you join the darkside
Why didn't anakin just leave the order and marry padme?
Anakin did nothing wrong.
The Republic was a corrupt oligarchy. Imagine if only three people from your entire planet represented you; I'd rather just have one emperor.
The Jedi were a corrupt military gestapo, they were essentially a paramilitary with unlimited jurisdiction. Not only that, but they were a creepy sexless cult that recruited fucking orphans and trained them as child soldiers.
The clone army was a fucking army of slaves with personalities that was forced to throw themselves at robots in droves.
I absolutely do not see how Sheev was in the wrong, not even joking. The Republic was a fucked up dystopia; The Empire was a Mussolini-style fascist utopia.
Anakin was a selfish asshole, he always bent the rules of the jedi order(obi wan encouraged him) then expected them to promote him cause muh chosen one.
>>63518354
This.
>>63518319
Anakin was a huge fuck up. He fucked up so bad that he just rode the wave of fucking up until Sheev lighting killed him. Seriously, in the movies the only thing he did right was destroy the rebel base on Hoth. Even then most the rebels escaped.
>>63518354
The Empire sounded pretty good (at least relative to the Republic) right up until they blew up Alderan.
>>63518354
>recruited fucking orphans and trained them as child soldiers.
Well, he really put an end to that.
>>63518411
Yeah, it was good for human men. Glad JJ is finally showing them for the disgusting space Nazis they are.
>>63518174
Yes senpai
>>63518411
They shouldn't have fucked with Sheev and aligned themselves with filthy rebellious xenos. Got to send a strong message; No half-measures. You support the nukes that were dropped on Japan, don't you? Same idea. Quick end to the war if it weren't for deus ex machina Luke.
>>63518319
Shit writing
>>63518456
why are there female stormtroopers now?
isnt sexism something you'd want to include with ur big bad guy empire idea?
theyre so fucking liberal they cant even have depth.
>>63518004
this
>>63518279
Yoda was a stupid fuck for just letting a clearly emotionally distraught Anakin just keep hanging out with Sheev, a guy who they had under investigation.
Obi-Wan wasn't there for him to talk to so he went to Yoda. Obi-Wan definitly knew he and Padme were together, and just didn't care because he's a bro who knew about having a waifu.
If the council just sent Anakin with Obi-Wan to take down Grevious then Anakin wouldn't have turned because Obi-Wan could have prevented it.
Also, Mace should have locked Anakin in his chambers or something while they took care of Sheev.
>>63517906
Because he was arrogant, but he had almost a right to be. He was an extremely powerful Jedi, and some rules were bent to even allow him to become one...in all honesty most Jedi were probably very wary of him.
In the Clone Wars shows, we see him earn respect among other Jedi, but they also seem skeptical of his ways and his devotion to the Jedi Code.
In short Ani was the super-cool bad-dude in school and everyone was too scared to say hi.
>>63518354
>but they were a creepy sexless cult that recruited fucking orphans and trained them as child soldiers
lol
>>63518530
I don't understand. It's only oppression if it's against women.
>>63518503
>posts a png
>picture was clearly meant to be a jpeg
Why the fuck did you do this?
>>63518078
Obi-Wan knew the whole time.
>>63517906
Anakin had a hard life
>>63518580
idk wat ur trying to say pham
>>63518586
Some people do it just to piss off autistic people.
>>63518319
He loved the Jedi. He was saved by them and raised among them and respected them. Despite his disagreeing with some of their 'rules' he knew their was wisdom behind them. This is why he gets so upset when they do not grant him the rank of master, he feels betrayed, like they raised him among them and taught him their ways only to tell him despite his amazing talent he is not good enough. He didn't hate them as much as he was heart-broken by them.
Also, Sheev was pulling his strings the whole time.
>>63517906
sheev was his only friend
>>63518616
Stop oppressing me with your replies.
>>63518648
ok pham
>>63518354
>The Jedi were a corrupt military gestapo, they were essentially a paramilitary with unlimited jurisdiction. Not only that, but they were a creepy sexless cult that recruited fucking orphans and trained them as child soldiers.
They really missed an opportunity to present this viewpoint with the Barriss Offee betrayal in The Clone Wars.
She saw the Jedi were becoming more militaristic...but they had to make her evil & a terrorist, rather than just have her call the Jedi out on their shit.
Dooku was the same way. He would have been so much cooler if he was just a former Jedi who saw the corruption in the republic and knew about Sheev's plan, but left the order to stop him. Making him just another run of the mill Sith Lord ruined his potential.
>>63518602
And he didn't tell anyone or Advise Anakin about it?
I guess he wasn't such a good friend.
>>63518503
>They shouldn't have fucked with Sheev and aligned themselves with filthy rebellious xenos. Got to send a strong message; No half-measures. You support the nukes that were dropped on Japan, don't you? Same idea. Quick end to the war if it weren't for deus ex machina Luke.
I can appreciate that, and I agree wholeheartedly with ending the war as quickly as possible. However the particular case of blowing up Alderan seemed rather arbitrary.
At least in the movie it's never said whether it's a rebel stronghold. For all we know it was as pro-Empire as any other planet, and the only reason it specifically was destroyed (killing millions of potentially good Imperial citizens) was to spite Leia.
>>63518078
There is plenty of sense in the no-love rule. Buddhist Monks have rules like that all over the world.
Alos, it's a movie, it doesn't need to make 100% extremely perfect sense, there is an obvious thematic element to Jedi not allowed to love, falling in love, tropy or not.
>>63518619
He seemed to love the republic too.
In the genndy cartoons he was the republic's errand boy because of his success rate with missions. a regular war boy which made sheev's interest in him more sensical, as he's practically just doing the same thing for the empire after.
>>63517906
They found out he lost his virginity so they ended up hating him for being a Chad. The Jedi were /r9k/ wizards.
>>63518694
Well in the PT Organa is established as having seen the Jedi massacre.
He was the senator and now probably the Lord of Alderaan. Its obvious he's antiempire dawg.
>>63518648
Here's more oppression.
>>63518694
It's heavily implied that Alderaan is harboring and funding rebel operations.
>>63518530
don't forget gay female administrators
>>63518136
reminds me of meme you mean
>>63518354
THIS
Before the Empire came along slavery was practiced openly on tattotine.
Soon as the Emps came along, Jabba had to hide like a pussy in his desert fort scared he was going to get blasted at any point.
>fall in love
>get married
>have kids
>= doom the entire galaxy
Bravo George Walton Lucas, Jr.
>>63518538
Wait, THAT's what happens in Splinter of the Mind's Eye? I always heard it was good.
>>63518456
>mfw there are people on /tv/ RIGHT NOW who are multicultural keks and wouldn't support the Empire so that they could pay welfare to dumb dindu Twi'leks
>>63518900
>tfw new rebels cartoon has twiilek multicultural pandering because muh twiilek oppression hear me roar.
fuck off theyre just sex slaves.
>>63518900
Wookiee lives matter, shitlord.
>>63518976
this is some shit i'll never understand
why was the empire so mean to the empire?
They fought alongside one another not that long ago.
The wookiees dont have space ships so literally who gives a fuck. They cant need MORE slaves can they?
>>63518888
>>63519018
>why was the empire so mean to the empire?
i mean the wooks lol
>>63518411
>until they blew up Alderaan
There is no proof that even happened. I mean, if Sheev really had a giant, mobile, planetary space fortress that can destroy entire planets in one shot, why would they just destroy one planet and then leave it at that? If they're willing to kill that many people, they'd completely annihilate every single planet suspected of housing rebel bases and supplies.
Alderaan was a fucking lie, a propaganda piece that was showed to us because the entire saga is from the point of view of the Rebellion. They wanted to stay on the moral high ground.
>>63519045
Good on your double HHs sir.
>>63518703
I have no problem with it in theory, but the way it was just suddenly introduced when there had been no mention of it for four films makes it seem it was just added last minute to create a romeo and Juliet situation
>>63518180
Why didnt they have the balls to kill her off? She will never show up again, why not give her a heroic or memorable death?
in The Clone Wars he gets alone pretty well with about everyone.
Yoda even asks Anakin to sneak him out of the medical bay undetected
>>63519558
because its a kids cartoon
they want them $$$$ toy sales.
>>63519558
She's in Star Wars Rebels. She's one of the leaders of the rebellion. I shit you not.
>>63519616
Shes going to die this season, kanan too most likely
>>63519590
Mace Dindu still hates him. I love how scenes with him and Anakin always end with him looking at another Jedi like "fuck this faggot."
>>63519655
They seemed ok at the end of season two finale
>Jedi are protectors of peace and justice in the Galaxy
>planets thats ecnomies thrived on slavery were allowed in the Republic
Smh
>>63517906
>>63519721
>'I'm not actually hear to free slaves' - Qui-Gon Jinn
Sheev did nothing wrong.
As for the empire destroying Aldeeran, it was Tarkin's call, also when you're one of the heads of the rebellion (both Bail and Leia Organa), you're bound to get burned sooner or later, in this case he doomed his planet to destruction.
>>63519758
When you're burned, you've got nothing: no cash, no credit, no planet. You're stuck in whatever space debris decide to dump you in.
>>63519815
MY NAME IS ANAKIN SKYWALKER, I USED TO BE A JEDI...until....
>>63518004
>be slave
>be chosen one
>qui-gon believes in you
>takes you away from your mom
>jedi council are complete dicks to a 10 year old
>outright tell you they dont trust you
>dude dies
>his apprentice doesnt want to train you but does it anyway
>everyone lets you know youre space jesus
>but no one trusts you
>give you an apprentice
>jedi order turns their back on her
>she leaves
>ask you to spy on your mentor and best friend
Can you really blame for being a fuck up?
>>63518538
>and just didn't care because he's a bro who knew about having a waifu.
He said he would have left the Jedi Order for Satine. But she died before any of that could happen.
>>63519603
That doesn't make any sense, she left the show, that means no more action figures.
BACK TO REDDIT
>>63520192
you TCW fags are the worst
>>>/co/
>>63518688
He did advise Anakin about it, when he was professing his love for her and talking about how sexually frustrated he was at the start of AOTC. He also cared about Anakin and didn't want him to get in trouble and knew lecturing him wouldn't help as Anakin does exactly what he wants and can be emotionally volatile.
And the fact it is a pretty stupid rule maybe meant that Obi-Wan wasn't sure it was for the greater good to turn Anakin in. You probably wouldn't sell out your friend for a rule that you might not fully understand or agree with, and Obi-Wan is shown to be reasonably rational.
>>63518900
I guess blowing up pacific planets and enslaving people it's what the cool guys do, right?
>>63520494
>pacific planets
>also implying that the republic didnt endorse slaves too.
>>63520494
>I guess blowing up pacific planets and enslaving people it's what the cool guys do, right?
The Republic had legal slavery.
>>63520547
would rather be gay than have shit taste 2bh
>>63520521
>>63520548
B-but guys... we are the good guys. The empire sucks... g-guys?
>>63520612
>>63520494
>>63520643
10/10
>>63520521
the republic didn't endorse slaves, it was illegal. George Lucas explicitly wrote it so that Jedi were selfless and the Republic was liberal and democratic while the Empire was dictatorial and oppressive.
Why do you have to theorise that the jedi did evil shit behind the scenes? That literally makes no sense and contradicts the message of the movies. Get your head canons out of here
>>63520826
>illegal yet well known in the outer rim
>selfless means that youre a dick to people and dont care about the greater good
lol pls.
>>63520826
>Republic was liberal and democratic
>good
Also, the Republic let slavery and sex trade occur openly, the Empire didn't. End of story.
>>63517906
They feared his power, and that they couldn't control him.
>>63518004
>single handedly kills dooku, saves obi-wan, and the chancellor
>>63520643
I laughed harder than I should.
>>63517906
he was arrogant, obnoxious, and didn't follow Jedi philiosophy at all.
And he took a wife which is against the code.
Multiple Jedi's knew something wasn't right about him. But his metachlorian count was so fucking high quigon and obiwant couldn't resist.
>>63518354
But Sheev orchestrated the whole robot/clone war to begin with as a ruse to get power...
>>63522043
If people treated him with the respect he deserved he would of never turned.
>>63521067
how do you know the Empire didn't? And look I don't care about your political beliefs but the point is the Republic was written as supreme in morality and treatment of the people, where as the Empire was literally the opposite. And while the Jedi couldn't stop all slavery, there would've been some (maybe flawed, but that's irrelevant) reason for this and not just out of not caring.
You siding with the Empire doesn't change that the Republic is written as the good guys. They're not shady, they're not perpetuating sex trafficking or torturing people off screen. Basically my point is: whether or not you think morality is important, to say that the Empire is as moral, or more moral than the Republic, is simply wrong.
>>63522311
>that's how they're written!
>and from my point of view the jedi are evil!
lol, senpai. pls.
>>63522106
he didn't really deserve respect, he was a little shit. Like yeah if he was happy with the jedi and felt secure he wouldn't have turned, but you can't blame them for not wanting to put up with his shit.
>>63522366
"then you truly are lost"
we're supposed to side with Obi-Wan in that situation f.am, the Emperor put that in Anakin's head to manipulate him
>>63519558
>She will never show up again, why not give her a heroic or memorable death?
Except she's already shown up again. And there's yet time for her to have a memorable death.
Besides which, when they wrote her departure from the Jedi Order, they were still planning on using her at least one more time in the show, taking part in the Siege of Mandalore. Unfortunately, the show came to an unexpectedly early end when Lucasfilm was sold to Disney and that story was never written and has only been mentioned in passing by Captain Rex in Rebels.
>>63521868
he actually used two hands
>>63522385
He wasn't that bad but they were so fucking worried about THE DARK SIDE they'd be able to fucking nuture him properly.
You need to remember he's an orphan who never got raised properly.
>>63518538
>Darth Vader's NOOOOO was always there
Pottery
>>63521067
>Empire didn't
>Leia wasn't totally being kept as a sex slave in RotJ
they just had better choices in slave attire
>>63522911
>hutts are empire now
sure theyre a fraction of what they used to be but definitely not empire, pham.
>>63522977
blind eye turned to it all the same, just like the republic, because no one cares about tattooine
>>63523082
ye, the Outer Rim planets are like the hillbillies that live in an isolated shack in the forest. They're weird and smell funny, and everybody'd rather stay the fuck away from them. If you get too close they're not afraid to use their shotgun on your ass..
>>63517906
I do not reckon the prequels as canon but if i did i would say it was because they always knew he could not be trusted.
The council did not want to train him from the beginig and they kind of had a point:
> Too old for the jedi brainwash
> A child of war
They knew it could go wrong but they did not have a choice... either they trained the little shit or Obi Wan would on his own, or worse... better to keep an eye on him.
I mean... he turned like it was nothing, not even resisted but that was shitty scripting and shitty acting for the most part.
Still i do not see lord Vader on the brat... worst origin story ever.
>>63524670
> A child of war
Anakin did not know war when his training began.
>>63518354
Pretty much, but sheev's empire was as bad as the jedi order domain.
Plus jedis killed the mandalorians
>>63518203
Anakin was literally the best general in the war, the best pilot in the galaxy, and a top 5 duelist all by the age of 22 and they just shit on him and undermine what he did and then there was the whole Ashoka incident. It's not surprising that he became disillusioned.
As someone not familiar with the lore...
How was the republic bad for anyone besides jedi and criminals?
>>63519558
she literally showed up again this year.
She's going to die by vader's hand in this season finale of rebels
Anakin's problem was that he was too emotional. He had a childhood/his mother dying in his arms and all and was just too unstable to not turn to the darkside. His emotion always blinded him. rip prince
>>63524976
He knew Slavery, Corruption, "fair and unfair" (everyone wants to fuck eachother on tatooine) and that he must fight to make things "fair"
Do you think Lucas intended for jedis to come off as the iredeemable pieces of shit they were on the prequels? Or was it a mistake?
>>63517906
>youngest person on the Jedi Counsel ever for no good reason
>a bloo bloo why aren't they making me a master too?
>>63525817
Rebels sucks. The only good thing about that show is Kanan.
>>63525905
I think he did mean to, but it's Lucas so you never know for certain.
>>63525905
Yes, he probably did. The Jedi was an effective organization that kep thte Republic relatively peaceful. They saw risks and often chose not take them for the safety of the whole. Qui Gon on the other hand sticks his dick into whatever moves and Obi wan never wanted to be a fucking baby sitter.
Anakin was a irresponsible and because he had skills he was rewarded by it. Like giving a child candy when it cries hard enough. He never grew up and understood Jedi were a group and he wasn't a fucking precious snowflake
>>63525964
He was the third most powerful jedi and one of the best strategic minds all while being only 22 or 23. Along with Obi Wan he carried the Republic on his back during the clone wars. The only other jedi that had as much experience as him dueling sith was obi Wan and Yoda. He should have been given a seat and the rank of master.
>>63526034
But that's wrong Anakin is literally a special snowflake, he's literally the chosen one and was made by the force.
>>63526063
Strategic? Such as killing off his Clones in almost every battle? Crashing Billions of dollars in air crafts?
He was a loose canon that god the job done but if another jedi was in the same situation, they may have made different decisions
Mind you, not all Jedi were featured in the CLone Wars series, it was mainly the Anakin/Ahsooka story
>>63526103
Honestly, it doesn't matter if he was made by the force or the chosen one. When you are a part of a team, you are not the team.
It's like saying we should only have Kobe acting solo in every laker game. No defense, no other players, just Kobe.
Sure, his Daddy's the force. And maybe another Jedi's Daddy is the Kind of the fucking universe. He's still a goddamn soldier and needs to stay humble about it.
>>63526132
Yes his unconventional strategies were responsible for winning the war along with Obi-Wans more restrained approach. They were the best generals the Republic had to offer. You can't even argue this point. There is a reason why they kept getting shipped around all throughout the galaxy and given the toughest missions.
>>63526063
If Anakin was really one of the most strategic minds in the whole Jedi order it was time it got destroyed.
I mean the dude got tricked into slaying a bunch of children by an old man who was about as unsubtle about being a Sith as he could be.
>>63526222
He got tricked by the most strategic mind in the history of the star wars unverise. Sheev is just on another level compared to everyone else. You can't fault him for that, Sheev is just that good.
>>63526208
This is one of the reasons I have a problem with the clone wars series. literally there were like 8 Jedi that flew around everywhere. But in reality, there were more than that but were completely unnaccounted for.
Another thing that seemed to be a common pattern in the series was not that people were "assigned" but they requested/volunteered. During times of war, you'll barely ever be without a mission.
It's also important to point out he didn't "strategize" anything. He adapted to situations (which Ahsooka often guided on for some weird reason), but usually the "big plans" were where understanding the war was really about. Thats where the real strategy laid
He was just a very useful tool. A dumb and immature one at that
>>63526257
>Oh btw Anakin, did you know you can save your loved ones with the force? Not with a Jedi technique, but one used by the Sith.
>I'm totally not a Sith but a good friend.
Also, I think Sheev was not that smart. The rest of the Jedi council was just full of idiots. I mean in the end, Sheev's Empire got defeated by a ragtag force with shitty equipment.
>>63526344
>expecting depth and character depth in a kid's show
>>63526257
>>63526222
Fuck that, he got tempted because he never wants to lose people he loves and he really didn't give a shit about the kids.
Hardly takes strategy to say "No, I'd prefer not sacrfice the republic for Padme" it does take maturity though
>>63526381
in the non-canon and garbage "Force Unleashed" games, the rebellion was actually invented as a plot BY the emperor to rally together the few tiny dissenting voices that did exist and squash them
>>63526409
this
For some reason I had faith, which was lost quickly
>>63525760
It was a corrupt and bloated mess of a government. If you played Fallout, think of it as the NCR or Enclave. On the surface, it looks good then you start digging deeper and you find a world of shit.
>>63526409
>expecting depth and character depth from star wars
The deepest character in the series is Luke from ep VI and that's not saying much.
>>63517906
The only interaction he had with other jedi that I can remember is with Yoda and Mace Windu....and Yoda spoke in riddles, but he didn't have a relationship with Anakin, so he couldn't relate.
As far was Windu, I think Anakin was terrified of the man. And Windu didn't do any favors buy acting like a dick to Anakin at all times.
>>63518538
Do you think Obi-Wan knew of Padme's and Anakin's relationship before things went to hell?
I can't imagine he wouldn't know, so some of the blame for Anakin failing rests on him.
>>63526478
you're not wrong.
SW is campy as fuck.
There was more character depth in those new hope deleted scenes than in the whole series.
>>63517906
It makes sense, Anakin was just an unwanted liability forced onto the order by the disorderly Qui-Gon, his last bit of trouble from beyond the grave.
>tfw just finished watching TPM for the first time in almost 10 years
That shit was boring. Attack of the Clones tomorrow.
>>63518319
Anakin has a genuine vocation to help other people. He just got disappointed with the jedi order and democracy so he changed sides to the dark side and the empire. Anakin always believed an autocracy was the best kind of government and the safest way to bring order.
>>63526203
>Slave orphan with serious psychological problems
People are really too hard on Anakin. In Universe he has every reason to be a cunt. Especially with obi-wan and yoda being absolute shitheads
>>63520494
>Blowing up Alderan was bad but blowing up the Death Star was ok
>>63517906
yeah yeah im a kc now now im a kc now im a tiny kc now yeah yeah omg im buttery omg look at me im kc look at me im big bad buttery
>>63518708
>He seemed to love the republic too
This is also expanded upon in TCW.
>that slave arc where obi-wan and ahsoka are imprisoned
>>63526601
Go fuck yourself, Darth Jar Jar was fucking brilliant
>>63517906
I could never understand why the Jedi didn't buy his mom out of slavery after they accepted Anakin. Like Obi Wan could gather money, they would have returned and brought her from Tatooin. Then Anakin wouldn't fear for her, and all his slipping to the dark side started from the fear for his mother and then was boosted by his anger for her death. He also feared for Padme because of his mother, he thought that he could lost her too. All his fears, anxiousness and anger come from the situation with his mother in slavery. Moreover Yoda saw it right away, he told him that Anakin is fearing for her and it could be dangerous. But he did nothing after that! The Jedi could save her and even if she wouldn't have lived with Anakin he would have known that she is safe and wouldn't have feared for her and wouldn't have became paranoid for Padme later. It's like they knew the reason for his fall from the beginning and did nothing to prevent it.
>>63525405
>then there was the whole Ashoka incident
Yeah nobody cares about that shit. Only the movies are truly canon
>>63526635
Considering the death star was full of one dimensional evil people, yes
>>63526663
Dumb memer
>>63526622
Which is why he should have never been a Jedi
>>63517906
Jedi were meant to have achieved what is essentially Buddhist enlightenment i.e. absolutely no worldly attachments. Anakin was still attached to people which made him a shitty jedi.
Neither was really doing anything wrong, it's just bad luck that he was essentially forced into something he wasn't cut out for.
>>63526034
>He never grew up and understood Jedi were a group and he wasn't a fucking precious snowflake
Maybe they all shouldn't have called him the fucking chosen one all the time
>>63526622
>In Universe he has every reason to be a cunt
He got picked off his shithole planet and got to become a jedi. He wasn't even forced into it at brith like the other jedi and could leave anytime, His wife was a fucking rich senator so he could just leave the order and retire if he really wanted, living in luxury in the capital. Compared to Owen or something, his life was fucking amazing. He was just a whiny shit that thought too much of himself and his good friend Sheev.
>>63518004
/thread
Wait, this board is filled with friendless autists. Being an asshole to your friends and not following rules (thus getting them shit from others) makes people not want to be around you, which they don't understand. There's almost as many hipsters here as /mu/.
Also, Anakin was training under Obi-wan. Pretty sure that means he's always just tagging along on jedi errands and doesn't have enough time to make friends by episode 3.
>>63526691
>>63526559
Tbf there's nothing wrong with that. It's not supposed to be something deep. It's just a fun space adventure.
>>63526655
Probably one of the better arcs in the series.
>>63526683
Because attachments are bad according to the jedi. They're a bunch of assholes.
>>63526766
do jedi retire?
>>63526833
Who knows, but they can leave the order literally whenever they want without consequence, Dooku's bust was even still in the Jedi temple
>>63526722
Honestly, he usually interacted with Obi Wan. And I doubt they constantly flung it in his face.
Nonetheless, just because you feel good and special doesn't mean you shouldn't follow the basic teachings everyone else has to.
>>63526828
>Because attachments are bad according to the jedi. They're a bunch of assholes
You see, Anakin didn't need to live with his mother, they could have lived separately if the Jedi bought her out of slavery. He became much more attached to her while thinking everyday about her and fearing for her because he knew nothing about her. If he knew that she was safe he wouldn't have thought so much about her and wouldn't became so attached to her in the end. Didn't wise Yoda understand such simple things?
>>63526949
Presumably the Jedi don't have the resources to help all the Jedis' parents out. The bigger question is why either Anakin or Obi-Wan didn't do anything.
Of course, everyone is always sympathizing with Anakin in regards to that, but going from the movies, he didn't even think about her till he starts getting those dreams.
>>63526833
Nah, they just do clerical work and teach when they're old as fuck.
>>63517906
Does becoming Sith make your eyes all gross, or was he just super sad?
>>63527005
Maybe the council never allowed him to go back. Wouldn't surprise me if they did something like that after all he was still a padawan when he started to get those dreams.
>>63527005
>Presumably the Jedi don't have the resources to help all the Jedis' parents out
I'm sure they could find some money for his mother, especially considering that Yoda saw right away that his fear for her would be a problem and they knew that Anakin is special. To rise him as a Jedi and not let him go to the dark side must have been their first priority and they did nothing.
>>63527079
removing the fear doesn't make a jedi better at handling fear
In any case, I'm sure there were political reasons why the Republic were best not getting involved in affairs on Jaba's planet
>>63527079
>I'm sure they could find some money for his mother
Do you think the rest of the Jedis' parents were only the rich and privileged? Just because Anakin is the MC of the movie doesn;t mean he's more important than any other Jedi in-universe, especially because I don;t think anyone but Qui-Gon actually believed he was the chosen one.
Really, it's Qui-Gon's fault in the end, he didnt just steal Anakins mom from Watto because it would be unfair, even though he's meant to be a fucking grey jedi.
>>63527142
Buy one human from the slavery is not involving them in anything anyway. They didn't help Anakin to get rid of his fear and it was a reasonable fear considering what happened in the end.
>>63526713
That wasn't his choice. But I agree with you in many ways.
>>63526766
>He got picked off his shithole planet and got to become a jedi
You're forgetting the fact he was 10, his mom was a slave and she was the ONLY person besides Qui-Gon that gave a rats ass about him. Even Obi-Wan publicly disrespected him. The entire council did.
>jedi and could leave anytime
Says who?
>his life was fucking amazing
Are you fucking delusional? Not only was he involved in a war but he watched hundreds of thousands of men die under his command. He losses his apprentice, no one trusts him and he and Padme are constantly at odds with each other. He practically beat a man to death because he thought she was cheating on him. The worse? His fucking mom died in his arms.
>>63527166
>Just because Anakin is the MC
They knew he was special and more important than the others. They could have done something to prevent their last hope going to the dark side.
>>63527208
>They knew he was special and more important
They knew he had a high midichlorian count and that Qui-Gon, the anti-authority guy who tried and failed to trick Watto like 3 times and got killed by a Sith apprentice who his padawan defeated, thought he was the chosen one. They had no reason at all to think he was their last hope.
He wasn't even super insanely valuable compared to everyone else, guys like Obi-Wan and Mace Windu were basically just as effective at him in missions and battles.
>>63527174
What happens when she gets mugged in the streets of Corusant or Droids Invade the Cruise Ship she works on?
At what point will that fear not be there?
But really, you are in part correct. Having a Force sensitive child is a free ride from planets outside the republic. I mean, syrians with money are given that respect.
>>63527192
>Says who?
Dooku left with literally no consequences and was looked upon admirably.
And his life was still better than fucking 99% of the galaxy, no matter the bullshit about muh war and muh coworkers don't like me.
>>63527295
>They had no reason at all to think he was their last hope
Yoda saw that he could become a great Jedi, but also could become a great problem because of his fear. It's like they wanted him to not get attached to his mother and not fear for and and did everything to make him attached more and fear more everyday. What's this logic?
>>63527331
>At what point will that fear not be there?
At least knowing that she is living safely somewhere and not in slavery would be much better.
>>63527192
> wasn't his choice
> tfw a jedi asks if you want to be a jedi instead of a slave
> tfw he stands up for you even though nobody else wants to
> tfw when your old master died believing in you
> tfw when you say no because it's my choice
It was his choice, but there no way he would say no
>>63527361
Maybe they didn't care that much. You're acting like Yoda and Mace sat around all day thinking about Anakin, but he was one of thousands of Jedi, who just happened to have a weirdly high midichlorian count and came into the order sideways. Just the fact that he gets to talk to Yoda and Mace every other day is probably more than most Jedis get in their lifetime.
>>63527049
I think his eyes got like that to show that he was dying or something lol
>>63527295
Well he was the best pilot in the galaxy so he was pretty valuable and the only other jedi that had as large as an impact on the clone wars wars and all the missions during that time was Obi-Wan. He was the council's errand boy.
>>63527417
They should have been wiser it's their responsibility after all. And Obi Wan should have done something too.
>>63527436
The council saw the clone wars as a necessary evil, it makes sense that a war hero would be loved by the Republic while not endearing himself to the Council.
>>63527458
>Obi-Wan should have done something.
Probably, but it may have been hard for him to understand, especially if Anakin didn't talk about it. Maybe he figured Anakin would stop caring about his parents like he never had, and since Anakin just bitched behind his back, he might never have even known he was so worried.
>>63527192
Of course he had a choice, but would you say no to becoming a legendary jedi? In a world where most people believe the force is a myth?
>>63527417
Yoda, Mace and Obi Wan failed Anakin. Why do you think Obi Wan and Yoda blame themselves for him turning to the dark side. Don't try to pretend like they didn't know how important he was because they did. They knew about his problems but yet never addressed them.
Also you pro-Anikan fags need to keep in mind Jar Jar was manipulating Qui Gon and Obi Wan the whole time. Darth Jar Jar is real.
>>63527557
Did Yoda ever blame himself? I know Obi-Wan did, but that's because he was his best friend and mentor.
In the end, its hard to blame them, because Anakin's descent to the dark side is such a complete 180 and retarded overkill.
>>63520494
C..Clones arn't r..real people. Just dumb apes grown in a lab and taught cheap tricks that can be used in war r..right?
>>63527614
Yeah he did.
>>63527526
Anakin wasn't a glory hound. One of the first things he says to Qui-Gon is he wants to free all the Slaves. Anakin wants to help people and him having this opportunity and being the goddamn Chosen One was his golden ticket but you bring up a scary point.
What if the Jedi Order rejected Anakin? Palpatine would definitely swoop in and train him like Maul.
>>63527614
>dark side is such a complete 180
This entire thread has examples of why he turned and it wasn't 180. You would have to be a mouth drooling retard not to see the signs that Anakin was in danger of falling. Unfortunately for the Jedi, they were busy looking for the Sith and not watching Anakin.
The fact of the matter is the only person that should have trained Anakin was Qui-Gon and no one else. I would argue Dooku as well.
>>63527713
>This entire thread has examples of why he turned and it wasn't 180. You would have to be a mouth drooling retard not to see the signs that Anakin was in danger of falling. Unfortunately for the Jedi, they were busy looking for the Sith and not watching Anakin.
Yes, there are numerous examples of why he would turn from the Jedi and possibly even fall to the dark side. There is no indication of why he would suddenly be okay with killing literally every jedi in existence and using a bit of initiative to kill the children as well, and then just going along with Sheev when its clear that he was lying and Padme is already dead. He comes out as the drooling retard desu.
>>63527672
>>63527614
Honestly, even if there is a blame game to play they were at war and there are so many things to do that Anakin's questionable feelings aren't necessarilly always top priority.
That being said, having a dedicated person for mental health would probably been beneficial (they did have a dedicated librarian afterall)
>>63527713
The Jedi Order did reject Anikan, Qui Gon found a loop hole
The freedom of the slaves shows anikan sufered from delusions of granduer. He also wanted to visit all the stars. Basically, he wanted to become legendary and if people didn't see/know what he accomplished he stil probably wouldn't be satisfied (and probably wouldn't have the mental capacity to believe that affection isn't everything)
>>63527855
That's a good point there should have been a jedi that specialized in mental health. Probably could have prevented a lot of jedi falling to the dark side
So Obi-wan himself said he didn't think he was a very good Master to Anakin.
Who should have trained Anakin instead?
Windu would have straightened him out fast. Anakin needed somebody strict that wouldn't let his habit for bending the rules take root.
