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Why does no one care about the completely fucked up power levels in Star Wars?

Dooku easily wrecks Anakin and Kenobi, Anakin is clearly better than Kenobi, though. Yoda who is supposed to be one of the greatest Jedi ever if not the greatest struggles with Dooku... which is OK since he just wrecked two good Jedi by himself. But then in III Anakin beats Dooku, easily even. Then Kenobi beats Anakin and doesn't even look like he was giving his best.

And course we then have Vader getting beaten by Luke who is a mere joke.
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Because they are garbage movies for babies.
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>>63452172
>power levels
>>>/a/
>>>/v/
>>>reddit
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>>63452172
Star Wars is shit, there's no consistency whatsoever between the sheer display of "force" used by both Jedi and Sith.
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Dooku's lightsaber syle is especially good against Obi-Wan's. Anakin couldn't beat Obi-Wan because he's Anakin's master, and he knows Anakin's every move and strategy.

That's it
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>>63452172
>muh high ground
>muh point of view
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>>63452172
>power level
This isn't anime, you little dweeb
Go back to playing in your sandbox
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>>63452172
Anakin became hardened during the Clone wars, while Dooku only got older and weaker.
Kenobi was actually pretty strong but he's the type who'd "rather not", plus while Vader got stronger with his rage it was also his downfall, his weakness, and that is why he failed to realize Kenobi had the high ground and was thus unbeteable.
Also if you analyze the OP picture you'll notice Anaki nis taller at that point which gives HIM the highground.
ALSO the moral high ground also counts as a high ground so technically Kenobi had doubles high ground during the "Floor is Lava" fight.
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>>63452172

It's almost like there's an entire canon TV series between II and III.

OH WAIT
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>>63452220
>>63452275
Listen, autists.It's just a way to name it. People shouldn't just become stronger or weaker than someone and then stronger or weaker again.

Discuss the matter.
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>>63452172
Anakin's powers had doubled since the last time they met, Count, and Obi-Wan had the high ground.
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>>63452313
>starts threads about jedi "power levels"
>calls other people autists

kek
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>>63452305
>he watches cartoon shit that is NOT canon simply because it has fucking nothing to do with the creator
Jews call it canon to make retards like you buy into it.
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>>63452343
That's what I did, autist.

>>63452305
So, this series shows how Kenobi got much, much better with the sword and force so he could actually beat Anakin in III when he was weaker and a faggot in II?
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>My powers have doubled since we last fought
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>>63452313

>Discuss the matter.

This was explained in Season 3.
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for "plot" reasons, they made kenobi susceptible to force attacks
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>>63452348

>He still denies what IS and IS NOT canon

I bet you liked the Yuuzhan Vong too, lol
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>>63452400
What season? The ugly cartoon?

How was it explained?
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>>63452453

>What season? The ugly cartoon?

'The ugly cartoon' is not a season. Seasons have numbers. Also, it was stated, 'Season 3', whereupon you immediately asked 'What seaon?' Are you stupid or something?
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power levels are fucking autistic

in real life fights are mostly just down to luck, who happens to be the most motivated, who happens to land the right strikes, what the environment happens to be, ect

the idea that A beat B and B beat C so A will always beat C only applies to like unmodified chess playing computers or something where all factors are fixed
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>>63452533
what is this autism I'm seeing, chill out you berk
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Because using power levels to judge who will beat who in a fight is retarded unless you're watching some equally retarded shonen anime.
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>its like sports its all about the matchup!
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>>63452533
Did you really not understand that I asked if by "season 3" you mean the third season of Clone Wars? You are stupid, no need for a question mark.
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>>63452602

You are very clearly upset by being called out on your inability to understand numbers, and by extention, the English language as well.

I'm sorry for you.
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>>63452636

>Season 3
>What season?

Clearly I meant Season 3 of Friends, of course.

Boy, you are very, very stupid.
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>>63452637
And here I thought I wouldn't need the fedora pictures ever again.
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>>63452305
It's canon until it stops bringing in money
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>>63452313
>People shouldn't just become stronger or weaker than someone and then stronger or weaker again.

Yeah, that's why all boxers only fight each other one time and all sports teams only play one game against each other.
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>>63452672
Clearly no one here ever gave a fuck about your shitty, autistic cartoon my 6 year old nephew watches. So you really can't comprehend that I probably thought by Season 3 you meant Episode 3 and just fucked up because you're sleepy or something. Not to mention that Clone Wars isn't the only show with seasons.
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>>63452753

>Not to mention that Clone Wars isn't the only show with seasons.

Name me one other canon show that currently has more than two seasons.

I'll wait.
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>>63452718
That's what the "just" is fore. It's not explained in any way. We don't have any reason why x should suddenly be able to defeat y.
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>>63452777
I don't have to. Knowing there exist more than one is enough to justifiy not being sure which show you mean.

Now kill yourself or do something about your raging autism. It's horrible to be dumb and autistic at the same time.
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>>63452787

>It's not explained in any way

Yes it is.
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>>63452816
>I don't have to

You mean 'can't'.

There aren't any.
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>>63452620
>he just wanted it more
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>>63452637
TOP WEW LAD
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>>63452816
>>63452753
>>63452636

Considering that there's only one show set between II and III and the duels in OP's comment, there's really only one thing he could have been referring to when he said "Season 3"
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>>63452828
That Kenobi is suddenly much better than Akanin in III when he was worse against Dooku in II? Or that Anakin (who was later beaten by Kenobi) could easily kill Dooku who was on par with Yoda if not better? That Vader gets beaten by Luke who is using a sword for a few months and didn't even finish his Jedi training?
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>>63452899

Yes, all of them.

>That Vader gets beaten by Luke who is using a sword for a few months and didn't even finish his Jedi training?
>few months

I bet you think that Episode II and III were like a week apart in-universe, too.
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>>63452889
Not everyone knows or cares about the cartoons. And he still didn't explain how the shitty tiers are explained in Clone Wars.
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>>63452947

>And he still didn't explain how the shitty tiers are explained in Clone Wars.

In Season 3.
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>>63452787
How bout the million little factors that exist in a fight that only a literal autist needs to have explained ? Maybe one of them gets plus 2 armor class on lava planets. You ever notice sometimes you sit on a toilet and a jet of brown liquid shoots out of your ass, and sometimes you push and push and nothing but a hard little ball comes out ? How can that just happen with no explanation ? Shitting can't just get harder or easier with no explanation, why do some turds have a mysteriously variable power level ?
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Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader = 27,700
Darth Sidious/Palpatine (with Kyber Crystal) = 20,500
Yoda = 17,700
Luke Skywalker = 14,500
Leia Organa Solo = 14,500
Aenon Jurtis (Most powerful Jedi Master prior to Yoda) = 14,200
Shintor Beerus (Ancient Jedi Master) = 13,900
Ce Ce Denowai (The Most Powerful Female Jedi) = 13,700
Ben (Jhon) Skywalker = 13,700
Anakin Solo (Son of Leia and Han Solo) = 13,700
Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus = 13,500
Obi-Wan Kenobi = 13,400
Kaja Sinis (The First Jedi) = 13,250
Kyle Katarn = 12,200
Mace Windu = 12,000
Darth Maul = 12,000
General Grievous (New Episode 3 Villain) = 11,900
Kit Fisto = 11,800
Exar Kun (Dark Lord of the Sith during the Sith War) = 11,700
Shindor = 11,500 (Dark Jedi from Episode 7)
Yaddle = 11,300
Xanatos' (Qui-Gon Jinn's former apprentice) = 11,300
Darth Seer (Founder of the modern Sith Order) = 11,200
Plo Koon = 11,100
Mara Jade = 11,000
Darth Malak (Knights of the Old Republic video game) = 10,800
Jedi Master Corran Horn (from the New Jedi Order series of Star Wars novels) = 10,700
Ki Adi Mundu = 10,600
Darth Bane = 10,500
Nebar Foxis (Jedi Knight played by SuperShadow in Episode 3) = 10,400
Joruus C'baoth = 10,350
Darth Imperius (Darth Sidious' Master) = 10,300
Shaak Ti = 10,300
Tahari Vehlia (New Jedi Order novels) = 10,300
Echuu-Shen Jon = 10,200
Darth Revan = 10,200 (Knights of the Old Republic video game)
Jedi Master Kam Solusar (New Jedi Order novels) = 10,100
Aalya Secura = 10,000
Qui-Gon Jinn = 10,000
Average Jedi = 10,000
Assajj Ventress (Sith Warrior During Clone Wars) = 9,600
Naga Sadow (Dark Lord of the Sith that fled to Yavin 4)= 9,400
Jedi Master Adeus Hust = 9,300
Jacen Solo (Son of Leia and Han Solo) = 9,000
Jaina Solo (Daughter of Leia and Han Solo) = 9,000
Jedi Master Cihgal (New Jedi Order novels) = 9,000
Darth Rage (Sidious' apprentice after Darth Maul) = 9,000
Jedi Master Tionne Solusar (New Jedi Order novels) = 8,500
Dezar Looger (Dagobah Dark Jedi) = 8,400
Xio Jade = 7,400
Chewbacca = 7,200
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>>63453018

Tylus Liv = 7,100
Aurra Sing = 7,000
Need To be Considered for Training as a Jedi = 7,000
Padme Amidala = 4,700
Danni Quee (New Jedi Order Jedi Scientist)= 4,500
Beru Lars = 3,700
Shmi = 3,300
Lando Calsarrian = 3,300
Boba Fett= 1,500
Han Solo = 1,500
Jango Fett = 1,500
Owen Lars = 1,500
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>>63452852
Yeah, and? I didn't know this. People like you give me the idea I'm the only non-retard guy on this planet. Stop posting.

>Yes, all of them.
I don't believe this. I'm sure Anaking and Kenobi both gained experience in Clone Wars, I'd even bet that Anakin got the harder fights.
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>>63453018
Luke beats Anakin (which makes no sense), so your whole list makes no sense. Why should anyone keep reading after this?
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>>63452266
This actually makes 100% fucking sense and kind of explains why the obi wan vs. anakin fight went on for so long. In the end obi wan knew anakins every strategy, no matter how powerful he was, obi was endurance level out played anakin power level.
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>>63453068
>I didn't know this.

If you can't even into entry level shit then why the fuck are you asking shit about Star Wars you pathetic nerd?
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Because the environment, luck, circumstances, condition of the fighters, psychological factors, and knowing your opponent's technique make a huge impact when it comes to literally any kind of fight. Especially in something as complex as lightsaber dueling, which has a ton of different fighting styles, some of which have advantages/disadvantages when matched with others.

Kenobi thrashed Anakin cause he bloody trained him and knew exactly what he'd try to do. When Anakin defeats Dooku, he had had all the experience of the clone wars (which he didnt in EpII), plus dooku had just been captured and was probably knackered. Don't quote me on that but the point still stands. The victor of a fight doesn't just come down to some hierachy of who's-da-best.
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>>63452172
Actual fighting isn't about power levels, it's about landing the right strike to beat your enemy.

Real fights are always a toss up unless some scrawny kid fights a monster. The weaker person could land in a KO on the stronger person simply because the guy wasn't paying attention.

Power levels only work in table top and video games and don't translate as the end all be all way to see who's stronger.
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>>63453085

>Not knowing what that list is

Man you really must be new here huh
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>>63453108
Clone Wars/cartoon Star Wars shit is far from mandatory. Don't even imply it is just because you're 19.
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>>63453150

>Calls someone young
>unironically uses the term "power levels"
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>>63453143
You really must be young if you think you hurt someone's feelings by saying he must be new to a specific board on 4chan. Not even emntioning the "huh" part or missing punctuation.
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>>63452172
Yea that's just EU bullshit now tho Obi Wan is clearly the best lightsaber fighter in the series his win/loss ratio on screen is by far the most positive and he threw his last fight.

They could have fixed this by showing more of Anakin massacring the Jedi with a few more fair fights on screen or even several on one fights in ROTS but they made him kill unarmed kids instead. Oh well.
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>>63452172
Yoda only loses because he was more concerned for the safety of Anakin and Obi Wan than winning the fight to Dooku who puts them in danger to engineer an escape, knowing he'll lose.

Obi Wan beats Anakin because Anakin was overconfident and Obi Wan had the high ground and also because they spend so much time sparring with one another that they both know each other's styles and moves to the point the fight is like an auto-pilot re-enactment of all their sparring.
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>>63453018
>>63453041
How do these compare to Dragonball Z power levels? What would Goku be?

>>63453085
Vader in the suit is several orders of magnitude weaker than he would be without it. It's not like when Frieza becomes Metal Frieza and gets stronger.
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>>63453181

Autism: The Post
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>>63453107
it's not really a theory it's why they through in that stupid gif fight where they're just spinning their sabers supposed to be moving perfectly in sync as they were mirrors to eachother.
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Sheev made dooku take a dive so anakin could replace him
this is pretty obvious if you look at the clues
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>>63452200
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>>63452172
Endgame Clone Wars Anakin is pretty god tier
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>>63453179
It's hardly my fault you can't use as many words as you want for thread titles and have to keep it short, or that you're autistic.
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>>63453210
Iperfectly normal post, desu.
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>>63453254

>IT'S NOT MY FAULT 4CHAN SUCKS
>Y-YOU'RE AUTISTIC
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>>63452573
Being Force sensitive makes most of these factors irrevelant

It boils down on your Force abilities i.e power levels
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>>63453308
>someone thought it's necessary to make this post
>that 2008 tumblr meme
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>>63453365

>someone thought it's necessary to make this post

Funny, I could say the exact same of OP, given that there were twenty other Star Wars threads he could've asked the same thing in
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Luke becomes strongest.
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>>63452573
Usually I would agree but we're talking about a dude casually wrecking two other dudes and then one of the two other dudes casually wrecking him a few months later with a handicap.

It's like Star Wars is one of those series where the writer(s) don't give a shit about any logics so they just can have their fancy drama and shock value.
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>>63453018
>General Grievous (New Episode 3 Villain)
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>>63453428

It's almost like it's for children
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>>63452200
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>>63453395
What's wrong with this thread? And don't compare it to all those retarded meme threads.

So far no one explained how it's totally logical who Dooku beats and by who he gets beaten. Not even mentioning Yoda, Vader, Kenobi, old Kenobi or how Darth Maul competes with two Jedi... or how he gets beaten by one of them a few minutes later.
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It's high ground
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>>63452200
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So Star Wars is the Dragon Ball Z of cinema.

What is the One Piece then?
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>winning a battle is more about position, morale, luck and terrain

INCONCEIVABLE
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>>63452899
Kenobi had the upper ground
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>>63453543
Forrest Gump.
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>>63453508

Yes, it has. You haven't even read your own thread.
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>>63453543
Marvel Cinematic Universe
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>>63453068
>I'd even bet that Anakin got the harder fights.
He did. Don't listen to prequel defending subhumans. Power balancing is all over the place.
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>>63453648

Well meme'd my friend
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>My power has doubled since we last fought, Dooku.

Is it really that hard to understand, OP? You needed a whole thread dedicated to this?

Sad.
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>>63452172
>X defeated Y so X will always be stronger than Y

ur retarted
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>>63452172
HE MUST STAND TRIAL
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>>63453696
And Kenobi's apparently quadrupeld. Because reasons.
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>>63453741
>countless years

Three actually
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>>63453741
>Killed by Vader who was another Sith
You conveniently forgot to mention that Vader did this for the sake of protecting his son, it was the act that redeemed him from sithhood.
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>>63453809
>Because reasons.

It's explained in Season 3.

Of The Clone Wars, since I know you're likely to not be able to pick up on simple wording.
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>>63453810
First world shitlord I take it?
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>>63453708
>I have bad reading comprehension so you are retarded
Tread the thread or fuck off.

>>63453741
Now the problem is Kenobi almost casually beating Anakin in III.
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>>63453881
>almost casually

It seems you are trying to comment on Star Wars without having actually seen it. Would you like some help with that?
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>people defend the power levels

>>63453206
>Vader in the suit is several orders of magnitude weaker than he would be without it. It's not like when Frieza becomes Metal Frieza and gets stronger.
Well, the old Kenobi should have defeated him rather easily instead of going down like a piece of shit.
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>>63453861

You're welcome
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>>63453847
No, it isn't, shut up.

Even if it was, George Lucas didn't write this shit. He wrote II and III and they make no sense.
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>>63453206
A higher midichlorian level doesn't necessarily mean more powerful. If it did, Revan would not have beaten Malak. Luke would not have beaten Vader. Obi Wan would not have beaten Anakin.
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>>63453810
how are years even measured? Time is only relative to the matter around you. For instance, our concept of time here on earth is measured by the rotations of the earth around the sun.

star wars is set on various different planets in different solar systems. Do you see where I'm getting at?
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>people defend this
>they unironically want a movie where literally every character can just show up like "hurr, you beat me but I doubled my powaz and now I beat you with a cool move, what a twist"

The onply "explanation" we have for all of this is "higher grond".
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>>63454007

>No, it isn't, shut up.

Yes, it is, make me you autistic nerd.

>>63454051

They measure it in how many cocks OP can suck in a day
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>>63454091
>It's in the cartoons which are canon, too.

No, it isn't

All of that shit were just illusions trying to trick Yoda

lol nerd
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>>63454100
>Yes, it is, make me you autistic nerd.
But I already did but making you just posting retarded one-liners and never actually posting any of your explanations since there aren't any.
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>>63454161
>and never actually posting any of your explanations since there aren't any.

Already posted them
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>>63452899
Vader wanted to lose, he didn't want to kill his son, also yeah v and VI have a gap between them. There is new Canon to explain Lukes power boost.
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>>63454192
OK.
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>>63453741
>Maul
>Killed by a pissed off Obi-Wan

Except Maul survived.
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>>63454220
>there is a new canon written by some retarded Jews
>they totally make up for the errors of the the script form someone else
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>>63454286
>ITT
>comic/cartoon autists being delusional
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>>63453018
>General Grievous (New Episode 3 Villain)
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>>63454384
>>63453433

>Not knowing that he had midichlorians infused into his body during the cybersurgery

Fail
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>>63454021
The fighter that's most powerful won't necessarily win every fight against someone weaker than himself. Weaknesses exist, and style match-ups.
Also if anything at all hints at that list being some bullshit, it's Revan's being placed below Malak.
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>>63454399

>Those were just illusions trying to trick Yoda.
>YOU DUMB SHIT
>Procedes to post an image of an illusion trying to trick Yoda

I bet the Good Guy Dooku he met talking to Obi-Wan and Liam Neeson was a ghost from the future, too, and totally not an illusion trying to trick Yoda
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>>63454337
They do. You rather it just make no sense? How is better continuity worse?
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>>63453018
why would yoda have more than luke
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>>63454431

>Also if anything at all hints at that list being some bullshit, it's Revan's being placed below Malak.

Do you seriously not know who SuperShadow is?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/SuperShadow

Also

>Revan being lower than Malak is the giveaway
>Not
>Shindor = 11,500 (Dark Jedi from Episode 7)
>Nebar Foxis (Jedi Knight played by SuperShadow in Episode 3) = 10,400
>Darth Rage (Sidious' apprentice after Darth Maul) = 9,000
>Owen Lars = 1,500
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>>63454540
>why would yoda have more than luke

While Luke was on Dagobah, Yoda would suck his cock and swallow, absorbing his midichlorians. That's why him and Ben never told Luke about midichlorians. Ben had a reputation for the same thing, that's why his aunt and uncle wanted Like to stay away from him.
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Because it was the Will of the Force.

You have to realize that none of the characters in the Star Wars universe have any free will. Anything that happens, anything that people do, it was because the Force wills it.
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>>63454748

>"It was an illusion!"
>Posts part of a post that literally explains that Darth Bane was just an illusion

Man, I'm glad you're doing all my work for me, thanks

But you know, I'd gladly shut the fuck up if you would post an example from one of the other "multiple episodes" you claimed existed in >>63454399
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>>63454367
>shitposting on an anonymous indonesian suicide site
>arguing against storygroup
>hating based Clone Wars
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>>63454748
>Darth Bane's tomb
I don't like the implications of this. Bane died with only his lineage knowing of his existance. Why the fuck should je jave a tomb?
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> Obi Wan's style is like Rocky in Rocky 3, wait the opponent out let them get tired and sloppy and execute a superb defense the entire fight.

> Anakin's style is pure brute force and tremendous energy.

> Dooku's style is focused on surgical fencing like precision, its not good against multiple opponents typically, however the Count was so masterful in said style he outgrew that weakness and could engage up to 4 opponents.
> Said precision is why he was able to get around Obi Wan's defense twice while Anakin's simple brute force was not.
> However one weakness the count was not able to overcome is it lacks kinetic energy and a strong defense.
> That combined with age was how Anakin's relentless powerful barrage beat him.
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>>63454920

Shut the fuck up, Anon, you're not supposed to explain this to normies like OP.
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>>63454559
I'm aware of SuperShadow, but I didn't know it was his list. I admit I only read the first three or four power levels.

>Owen Lars = 1,500
believable desu he shuts Luke's ass down all the time in the first film
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>>63452348
"As of April 25, 2014, the only previously published materials that are considered canon are the six Star Wars films and the Star Wars: The Clone Wars television series and film, while the Expanded Universe is no longer considered canon and was re-termed as the "Legends" brand."

cry moar.
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>>63452313
no dude youre literally redditing too much and i go on /tv/ which is automatically smarter and better because we hate popular stuff so youre the autist

>2015
>this is still /tv/s reaction to anything

i dont know about the power levels but im sorry these tweens keep calling you an autist, its starting to annoy me
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>>63452172
>Dooku easily wrecks Anakin and Kenobi, Anakin is clearly better than Kenobi, though. Yoda who is supposed to be one of the greatest Jedi ever if not the greatest struggles with Dooku... which is OK since he just wrecked two good Jedi by himself. But then in III Anakin beats Dooku, easily even. Then Kenobi beats Anakin and doesn't even look like he was giving his best.
prequel shit, who cares?

>And course we then have Vader getting beaten by Luke who is a mere joke.
Vader is not space Jesus, he's a old man that was severely maimed and crammed into a walking iron lung. Why do you think the Emperor wanted to replace him with Luke?
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>>63455258
>who cares
People who actually like Star Wars and don't hate it to fit in with the Plinkett crowd.

>>63455258
>Vader was an old geezer
I'm tired of this. Vader was the 2nd top Force user next to Palpatine. Even though fucked up his potential, no one would ever be powerful enough except Luke or Leia.
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>>63455719
>if you are a true fan of franchise blank you must like every entry
prequels sucked, everyone knew that before plinkett
Or do you think people aren't real Alien fans because Resurrection sucked, or Terminator fans are just trying to fit in by hating everyone of them after T2?

>I'm tired of this. Vader was the 2nd top Force user next to Palpatine.
There you go with your power level bullshit again. No he's an old man that was horribly crippled. Even so, you admit Luke could beat him so what's your problem?
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>>63455956
>power level bullshit again
>beings that can move starships with their mind
>they can telekinetic grab shit
>see into the future
You sound absolutely retarded.

>No he's an old man that was horribly crippled
Sure, but his cybernetics and advanced knowledge of the Force compensated for this. No one aside Palpatine or the twins could challenge him.

My problem is you're offended by the concept of power levels in a franchise with talking teddy bears and midget muppets that can level cities.
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>>63452172
The high ground(HG) is roughly a 5 fold increase in power for Obi-Wan. HG Obi-Wan>Darth Vader>Base Anakin>Older Dooku>Base Obi-Wan.
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>>63452899
Well, Vader was part of a man at that point. And Luke seemed pretty mad before he rekt Vader
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>>63456689
>they have powers therefore my anime power level pissing contests matter
no you faggot, it's like you don't even understand my objection to your retarded thinking

>but his cybernetics... compensated for this
Vader was very clearly subhuman physically compared to someone without the suit

>No one aside Palpatine or the twins could challenge him.
prequel trash

>My problem is you're offended by the concept of power levels in a franchise with talking teddy bears and midget muppets that can level cities.
So anytime there's superhuman or mystical abilities, the users of those powers fit into discrete categories where A beats B and B beats C so A must beat B. You think this is how every piece of fiction with otherworldly power should work.

What kind of reasoning is it that just because Yoda can lift an X-Wing with his mind means he has to be able to beat someone like Obi-Wan in a lightsaber duel?
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all of this
>vader is old
bullshit. he didn't want to kill luke even though he could've. ffs when's the last time you nerds actually watched the movie
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>>63457233
>strawmanning this hard
no one said he's an old man because he couldn't beat Luke in Empire
I'm saying it because it's true, he is an old man.
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>>63457293
emperor was older and still fucked shit up
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>>63452172
>You fought in the Clone Wars?

>Yes. I was once a Jedi Knight, the same as your father.
>That reminds me. Luke, did I ever tell you that in our prime (which happened to be a mere 20 years ago), the Jedi had Dragon Ball Z powers and could destroy armies single-handedly, run at lightning fast speed, deflect blaster bolts with stunning precision, jump tens of thousands of feet in the air, and hover around for prolonged periods of time? "Crouching Jedi, Hidden Sith" sums up that era well.
>Now that I'm an old man, I can't do any of that anymore. Time is not a good friend.
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>>63452172
Yoda doesn't strive to kill people. That's why he didn't kill dooku. It took dooku pulling some bullshit to get Yoda to stop bothering him.

Obiwan spent a big chunk of his life training anakin in combat. Shouldn't he know almost everything about blocking his predictive lightsaber moveset? I mean come on, anakin had been aggressive and ready to kill from he start.

Windu is also a type that is prone to killing. That's why sheev would have died to windu if it weren't for anakin. Sheev wasn't as powerful as people make him out to be. Yoda was just checked by his faith in people. The whole movie series supports this trait of Yoda.

Yes, anakin is super powerful, but his judgement gets in his way. If you are Mike Tyson, you might get huge abnormal muscles with death inducing punches, but if I trained you all your life, along with being a master of a defensive style, I would still whipenthe floor with you, especially if you were blind with rage.
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>>63452172
"my powers have doubled"
did you even pay attention to the movie? Also obiwan can beat anakin because he was such a shit mentor and held him back, he knows him too well.
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>>63457339
And he got defeated by being thrown over a railing, what's your point?
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Why does Yoda always struggle pushing shit away with the force? Why is he so good with a light saber?
Shouldn't it be the other way around?
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>>63459287
he has high midiclorian density but low midiclorian mass in general. meaning he has power but less reserve. glass cannon
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>power levels

This isn't a chinese cartoon.
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>>63459287
He's old and had to focus his use of the force to be able to fight like that, which is why he looks absolutely exhausted when it's over.
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>>63457201
>mfw people like you unironically exist

And I thought you were being serious.
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>>63459607
Why isn't he just using the force to begin with, like Palpy?
Aside from one battle, Palpy was dominating while only using the force.
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>>63459642
He's absolutely correct you faggot. It's even clear in real life through boxing etc., A could beat B in one match, while B beats C later on, and even later on C could beat A. The fact that you find this impossible suggests you may be autistic.
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>>63460054
>He's absolutely correct
About fucking what, bro?

He just broke Star Wars lore. It's like that argument over Obi-Wan's "disguise" robes.
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>>63452266
Didn't you notice that when their sabers are locked and they both try and use force push. People are just catching on to this? Fuck.
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>>63460285
>He just broke Star Wars lore.
that was the prequels, not me
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