Do you know some films with left-wing villains?
They're so rare!
>>63373960
Kingsman
>>63373960
>leftwing
>villain
mutually exclusive desu kawaii senpai
A few choice Bond films, even recent ones such as Tomorrow Never Dies.
>>63373960
House of Cards
The Incredibles.
UP UP UP UP UPVOTE REDDIT STYLE
>>63373960
Any film featuring Nazis or Sovs
>>63374431
>Nazis
Red Dawn
Star Wars Episode 3
>>63374069
>desu kawaii senpai
s︂︂m︂h t︂b︂︂h f︂︂a︂m
>>63373960
Yeah, no films have ever been made with Communists as the villains. They're just so rare!
>>63374575
>soviets
>left wing
>>63373960
u wot? See nearly any film with Russian bad guys, fuck off with your victim complex stormfag
V for Vendetta
>>63374597
Any cold-war era Soviet will be left wing as communism is left wing
>>63374597
Learn what left-wing means before you reply, kiddo.
>>63373960
Communists and Nazis are probably the two most common villain archtypes in all of media.
>>63374483
>national socialists
>socialists
>not left wing
pol pls die
>>63373960
>adrien veidt
>left-wing
Also the movie sucks tbqh
>>63374683
There's a different between being socialist economic and socially dumbfuck.
>>63374641
Nazis aren't left-wing, though
>>63374496
The US isn't a Republic.
>>63374718
Sure thing, lefttard
Hitler nationalized as many industries as Stalin and called for an equal (germanic) people
>>63374597
Does the group believe that social inequity is natural, inevitable or desirable, y/n?
Does the group believe that social stratification is natural, inevitable, or desirable, y/n?
Does the group believe that opportunity is more important than outcome, y/n?
If you answered No to two or more of these questions, the odds are you're describing a left wing organization.
>>63374762
I'm not even left wing, i'm just laughing at the retarded ideas of Nazis being left wing
>>63374762
lol, hitler immediately sold out the majority of the german public sector to a few companies
>>63374740
Internally they were. The aim of National Socialism was for the German people to reach social and economic equity with each other. It was Socialism, but only for the Nation. Hence NatSoc.
The right-wing elements were mostly a matter of foreign policy, but for most of their history, the Nazis were peaceful, and were a pretty bog-standard progressive socialist government. They hated the Bolsheviks of course, but that was because the Bolsheviks believed in GLOBAL socialist revolution a'la Marx, which was retarded and didn't work. Socialism can only work in a homogenous society with high degrees of social accountability and civic pride, it falters and dies in a globalist environment.
>>63374837
>the Nazis were peaceful, and were a pretty bog-standard progressive socialist government
Ah I love when /pol/ shows up
>>63374837
Socialism can only work if it has no competition lol
>>63374625
>>63374637
I have lived in Poland through the 70's.
Communism is communism, it doesn't at all fit the modern definition of neither what's considered to be "left-wing" or "right-wing". It was "justfuckmyshitup-ism".
>>63374837
it was socialism in more of the Prussian Socialism sense, rather than the marxist sense. their understanding of what socialism is was completely different to the marxist sense.
>>63374919
>I have lived in Poland through the 70's
sure you did, senpai
National Socialism just shows the problem inherent in defining what's left and right wing. It's both proletarian, and hierarchical. Reactionary and progressive.
I'd call it right-wing since the core values are best categorized on the right, imo, but when you try to limit it to era-specific issues like "big vs small government" or "pro-life or eugenicist" etc. it gets silly.
>>63374761
>The US isn't a Republic.
wut m8
>>63375000
I'd say the defining characteristic of right wing politics (at least in the American sense) is that of small government, which is the opposite of National Socialism
>>63375028
It's a democratic republic, if in the loosest definition.
>>63375028
We're an oligarchy, like every other modern state.
>>63375105
I don't think you know what that word means
>>63375054
Small government is associated with conservatism in America because it's an institution that they believe to be the classical model of the American republic and one worth conserving; ties in with the financial and so on beliefs of the American right.
But then you'd have those on the right, probably paleocons and libertarians, that would consider isolationist policy part of the small-government classicism of the American right, whereas neo-cons would be more expansionist in their foreign policy and so on.
I think it's useless to apply that kind of standard to 1930s Germany, when the tradition of small-government conservatism was never a big thing there. They were a former Empire reduced to a neutered democracy, the Right was concerned with restoring the military strength and hierarchy of the former Reich. Where the Nazis did depart from the other Right-wingers in the Weimar Republic was that the Nazis were not traditionalists nor reactionaries, and weren't interested in restoring the monarchy and so on. Hitler had a progressive vision of establishing a modernist Empire and so on.
/pol/ here. Nazism was neither left nor right. It was radical traditionalism, or radical centrism.
>>63375170
wew am I turning into Zizek
>>63375170
Yeah you're probably right, it's pretty useless to try and define everything through history as purely left or right wing
>>63375206
Third way
>>63374637
Well begginning with Stalin, the Soviet Union was pretty nationalist and socially conservative (though economically left wing). The modern Russian commies are full on traditionalist nationalistic /pol/acks.
>>63374992
Jakich konkretnie dowodów potrzebujesz ziomuś?
>>63374069
Pls don't be serious
>>63375441
Mojego chuja w twojej buzi.
Ghostbusters.
>>63375489
Raczej nie do zrobienia, sorry.
>>63373960
Demolition man
Hitlerjunge Quex
>>63374788
>National SOCIALISM
It's in the name dumbfuk
>>63376178
>DEMOCRATIC PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF NORTH KOREA
>DEMOCRATIC
it's in the name dumbfuk
>>63375129
':\
>>63373960
>implying ozzy was a villain
rorschach the paranoid right winger was the villain you cuk.
>>63374528
how?
Seriously OP did you miss the million different movies where soviet russians are the villains?
>>63373960
Adrian Veidt is not left wing.
He is just machiavellian as fuck.
>>63377844
Soviets were absolutely not left wing. It was actually fascism but hey who cares right?
>>63377975
hi /leftypol/
>>63378002
History major here, what the fuck would you know about it?
>implying i visit the echo chamber that is /pol/
>he posts something about politics, must be a /pol/tard
>>63375105
This nigga knows. Fucking KNOWS.
>>63378048
>this is what current year university professors actually believe
t..they just all socialismed wrong guys!
>>63378048
I think the opinion you expressed is politically illiterate regardless of your qualifications. Where do you draw a distinction between left-wing politics and Soviet communism? And how was the Soviet state, which predates fascism as an ideology and movement, fascist?
>>63374387
Reddit would hate this thread
>>63378106
Fascism is described as following:
- Strong dislike of contemporary institutions
- Adoration of show of force and violence, directed at overthrowing the current order (tsarism anyone?)
- Authoritarian structure with one leader
- Political dictatorship
- Totalitarian state where the state controls everything
- Very nationalistic
- Fascism want total class equality
These are about 7 of the 10 markers that befit fascism. I'd say soviet russia was a fascist state, only they called themselves communists.
Just like North Korea call themselves a democratic state, while in actuality they are also fascist.
>>63378224
That's such an arbitrary list that can be applied to just about every authoritarian state that's ever existed. The only more contemporary characteristics are "nationalistic" and "class equity" which occur in pretty much every post-Enlightenment or modernist ideology anyway.
Fascism isn't just a synonym of authoritarianism, it's a little more complex than that.
>claim that nazism and socialism are right wing
>right wing is in major supporter of an imperialistic state with a strong military
Uhhhhhhhh...
>>63373960
This bitch doesn't give her baby proper food only "hippy organic foods" she makes and esstinal oils so the baby doesn't get fat. She hates doctors and doesn't believe in antibiotics.
>"left wing"
>wants a global empire reminiscent of alexander the great
>holds that he himself is fully responsible for being the most intelligent man who ever lived
>the only thing suggesting he's "left-wing" is free energy
I'd say he's extremely neo-conservative given his horrifyingly rational consequentialism
>>63373960
1984
>>63377938
He is extremely left wing. Especially in the graphic novel.
>>63374771
You're confused.
Something being a normative position and something being a natural outcome are completely different and not to be lumped in with each other. Do the strong naturally destroy the weak? Yes. This is why we create systems to combat the "state of nature", Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan, etc.
>>63378224
Could you put together a non-polemical list of characteristics? Love of violence? Dictatorship? Authoritarian? Surely fascists themselves don't think they're scary evil people?
>>63374625
Moore is left wing as fuck though
>>63374788
It cant be left wing because that doesnt fit my worldview!
this should be a safe space
>>63374796
citation etc
>>63374015
This. BEST MOVIE EVER!
This guy here
