>yfw when you realize sheev technically gained all his power and took over the galaxy completley legally
just like obama did
spooky
Every Empire can decree itself legally sound, so it's a moot point.
>>63295070
so did hitler
your point being?
>>63295070
>disbanding the Senate
>legal
>>63295142
great people do great things mang
>>63295178
and they don't have to break laws to do so
>>63295163
he replaced them with a more efficient system comprised of local governers
>>63295070
That's because it's an allegory to Hitler.
>>63295214
tru
>>63295099
>just like obama did
Hows it feel to be 20 and not remember just how fucking bad Dubya was?
>>63295070
So did Caesar. Doesn't make it right famalam.
>>63295142
He forced the guy before him to give everything up.
>>63295106
His was actually legally sound though, not just declared to be, the empire was formed legitimatley
>>63295274
>implying Caesers reign wasn't a good thing
>>63295276
he also ordered the systematic execution of 6 million younglings
>>63295335
It hastened the fall of the empire by taking power away from the duly elected people and placing into into one person. One person who is susceptible to power madness, death, corruptibility, etc.
>>63295369
order 66- it was legal to order their execution
>>63295256
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>>63295429
reccomend me any books f a m? i wasnt aware of that
>>63295099
>>63295263
The most Sheev of the US Presidents is clearly Lincoln
>utilized a sham war to give himself emergency powers unprecedented in scope
>killed thousands
>"it's treason then"
>>63295163
>burning the Reichstag
>legal
ANAKIN, THE JEWS ARE TAKING OVER!
>>63295490
Mary Beard is one of the preeminent classisists. Think she has a new book out actually.
But that anon is literally pulling shit out of his ass. No idea why he thinks consuls or senators weren't susceptible to power madness, death, or corruptibility.
Fuck, read Cicero's How to Win an Election. You do it by being the most corrupt fucker out there.
>>63295274
the moment ceasar crossed the rubicon with his army in tow, it was not legal.
>>63295942
Who was Adolf's Anakin?
>>63295274
Am I a hipster faggot if I read the C as a K in my head?
>>63296044
red skull
>>63295070
I don't know if killing 4 jedi masters is legal. Even if they provoked him he used Sith powers to defeat them and I'm pretty sure sith are forbidden everywhere
>>63295070
>Secretly declared war on his own government in a massive conspiracy
>Killed the guys who tried to arrest him when he got found out
>Had small defenseless children killed because they were affiliated with the guys who tried to arrest him
Ok
>>63296018
thanks bro, you got any suggestions for ancient greeks?
>>63296044
I want to say Goebbels, but the guy never felt any remorse
So Albert Speers
>>63295263
Please elaborate. First political science class I'm guessing?
>>63296106
order 66 = it's legal
>>63296108
talking to sepratists isnt illegal, other 2- order 66
>>63296165
>treason isn't illegal
>giving a shit about the politics when some little girl was outsmarting everyone with a double.
>>63296165
>talking to sepratists isnt illegal
Try chatting with ISIS and see what happens.
>What is sedition?
>What is material aid to foreign enemies?
where are the anarcho-syndicalists in star wars anyways? the jawas?
>>63295070
>10 minutes into TPM orders chink aliens to kill Jedis
>>63296247
>He does the Sheev spin three times
>>63295070
he bribed or bullied most of the senate.everything that gave him power was staged and in most constitutions is written in that you are no allowed to act against the system (advocate government dissolution)
>>63296247
>only 2 spins
must be a low level sheev
>>63296119
No one historian comes to mind for Ancient Greece, sorry. However (and some may disagree), I minored in the Classics, and I personally found the Greek writings to be far easier to just dive into.
Pick up Thucydides or Herodotus if you're interested in the military side of things. Just jump in, and they're easily accessible and free. The plays are always good fun too, but I always found the philosphy and guys like Plato extremely dull.
>>63296264
Ewoks, I think.
>>63296247
What game is this, anon? It looks like top fun and top keks. Can you play as Sheev the entire time?
>>63295276
and then blew up his ship
>>63296247
Sheev?
>>63296402
Correct.
>>63296264
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aa%27kuan
>>63296106
>I'm pretty sure sith are forbidden everywhere
no they are not. use EU if you must and show me where it says otherwise
>>63296264
>>63296452
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Antar_4
>>63296402
ewoks are only primitive communists. majority of civilized people seem to be bourgeois republicans while some are parliamentary monarchists. there were probably miner colonies on the fringes organized democratically by workers...
>>63296525
They aren't communists. They have tribal structures, which from a marxist perspective is proto-aristocracy.
ewok society is based around the worship of c3p0.
>>63295070
>completley legally
only because they didn't catch him for the illegal stuff
>>63295701
>it's treason then
>suspension of Habeas corpus
>closure and arrest of dissenting newspapers
those two right there are pretty dictatorial imo
>>63295070
Sure, that particular element of his life was legal. Doesn't make all the murder okay.
>>63296484
Why did he hide it even after the success of creating his empire then
>>63296108
It's cause he was on some sith shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDhK0NqXrIY
>tfw your name is also sheev
When will these "memes" stop
>>63296165
how was order 66 legal?
>>63295070
But he was the traitor ahhhhhhhhhh
>>63297400
How long until he's a terrorist?
>It is known that, by 27 BBY, at the start of the Outbound Flight Project, Palpatine had somehow gained knowledge of the incoming Yuuzhan Vong fleet, though he planned to withhold it from the Republic until after his New Order could be instituted.
>Following the end of the Clone Wars, Emperor Palpatine let out hints of the Yuuzhan Vong to the public. One of his official justifications for maintaining the Imperial Navy even after the war had ended was to ward off the threat of extra-galactic invasion.
>Thrawn apparently encountered the Yuuzhan Vong advance force hiding in the Unknown Regions. The threat of the advancing invaders was one of his primary motivations for trying to reunify the Empire, as he felt that the Empire stood a much better chance against the Vong than did the New Republic.
>The Yuuzhan Vong advance scouts themselves shared that sentiment. After the formation of the Imperial Interim Council in 11 ABY, following the final death of the reborn Emperor Palpatine, Yuuzhan Vong executor Nom Anor was tasked to infiltrate the Council. He did so and manipulated its leader, Xandel Carivus, arranging the deaths of many Councilors and furthering the internal strife between the leaders of the fracturing Empire.
Where were you when Sheev was literally confirmed to have done absolutely NOTHING wrong?
>>63298083
Has he been tested yet? What level is he
>>63295070
Kinda like how I gained these dubs
>>63295070
>WANCE MOOR, THE SITH WILL RULE THE GALAXY
Who is Sheev talking to here? Do we know who this Moorish fellow is?
>>63295070
Except for conspiring with Anakin to murder anyone who stood in his path, including youngling Jedis and all the other Jedis, then taking over the entire government outside of legislative process.
KEK
>>63297345
He hid at first because you saw how the Jedi reacted, afterwards I'm not sure, maybe he decided that it would be bad PR to be seen as a Force user or to be in any way related to the Jedi.
>>63295300
This
>>63298780
Order 66 made killing jedi legal, the entire senate voted he should be emperor
THUNDEROUS
APPLAUSE
>>63298658
well... Thrawn did nothing wrong.
Sheev and Vader were pretty evil. Thrawn, meanwhile, is a fairly benign villain.
Sure, he kicks the New Republic's ass at every opportunity, but he shows restraint with both his enemies and his own forces.
Honestly, by the end of the third book, I was hoping Thrawn would win. When you compare him to the bickering and bureaucratic New Republic, and bear in mind the oncoming Vong invasion, it's clear that a galaxy under his direction would have been a better place.
>>63295070
>mfw anakin did bring balance to the force, the light side of the Force was OP
>>63295163
He was the senate
>>63295163
In some situations with emergency powers, yes
>>63297618
He's right that Order 66 is legal. It's a contingency if the Jedi ever tried to take over. If I recall there's other executive orders such as one in case they need to arrest Palpatine.
But he's wrong in that Palpatine is definitely guilty of treason and sedition for leading the Separatist movement.
>>63295256
And cheesar
>>63299800
He wasn't technically the leader, he was some mysterious hooded figure everyone obeyed but count dooku was the official leader
>>63295070
>murder the jedi trying to arrest you
>legal
>>63300028
>a non-elected body of warriors with no oversight tries to arrest a democratically-elected chancellor
>not defending yourself
>>63300066
Execute Order 66
>>63299986
You're not disagreeing with me here. He led the Separatist movement in secret, as part of an illegal conspiracy. It's treason,then.
>>63300108
The jedi were planning an illegal revolution and were too dangerous to arrest.
>>63300066
One of the oldest principles of democracy is the Social Contract, which says that absolutely everyone, even the highest authorities must obey the law or get arrested. The president can get arrested just as easily as anyone else. You don't have the right to fight your way out of an arrest either.
>>63300216
To arrest someone you have to have legal standing to do so. No one elects the jedi. No one brought them into the social contract, which is between the governed and the governors. They aren't part of the ruling government. They have no standing.
>>63295070
He fabricated the fucking blockade over naboo.
![11VkceJ[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iFSnnzB.jpg "11VkceJ[1].jpg")
mfw
>>63295142
this
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's moral/right
>>63300356
What hitler did was moral though
Can someone explain why the fuck did the leaders of the trade federation cooperate with him?
The ones in Phantom Menace I mean
>>63300247
No one elects cops, the Supreme Court, or the attorney general either, but they're all part of the social contract. I don't know where this "Jedi aren't a legitimate part of the Republic" meme comes from when we see them going on diplomatic missions, and leading troops in battle on the Republic's behalf all throughout the PT.
>>63300406
The difference is that elected officials can both fire cops and appoint judges, so they are put in place by the people in a roundabout way.
Jedi are not. They answer to no one and do what they please. They steal children from parents and they try to overthrow democratically-elected governments.
>>63300216
Order 66 makes killing them legal
>>63300405
They made some sort of deal, Sheev would make sure all of their moves where legal and backed by the Senate, which they were, for a while.
They were fighting for the taxation of trade routes or something like that.
>>63300257
he didnt actually do anything, if i tell you to blockade a store and im not your boss or anything do i get arrested or do you
>>63300109
tfw i want to argue this away to defend based sheev but i cant think of a reason why you're wrong
>>63300406
dude what is so hard to understand about this
the jedi are not formally apart of the political apparatus of the republic. they get involved politically and consult and even lead armies but they are essentially a group of private citizens.
it would be like the karate dojo trying to arrest the mayor of a town or something. that's not how it works even if the mayor is guilty.
plus, the jedi had no proof.
>>63300405
>>63300518
Why did Amidala need to sign the treaty that allows them to invade? I don't get that thing
How did everything end up working fine for sheev despite the trade federation getting fucked hard in episode 1?
>>63300862
Think of it this way, it was an unlawful occupation, an act of war against the Republic. If she signed it would become lawful, a little like Germany or Japan post-WW2, foreign power has control and a military presence.
Amidala's arrival presented him with an opportunity to become Supreme Chancellor, which he seized.
>>63296404
looks like a Jedi Academy mod.
I know there's a mod called Movie Duels 2 that lets you play the Jedis arrest Sheev scene as Sheev.
>>63300650
>the jedi are not formally apart of the political apparatus of the republic
Again I haven't seen any evidence that says they aren't. We can't look at the Republic's constitution and know for certain. Pretty much all we can infer from the movies is that they are agents of the state and every description of the Jedi one reads in the fiction says "they served the Old Republic" or something along those lines. Besides, it would be silly if the Jedi had no power whatsoever to detain criminals.
>plus, the jedi had no proof
The Jedi had been investigating the senate since AOTC, looking for the sith lord who was corrupting everybody. If you believe the EU sources they had already found lots of evidence there was a sith in the senate playing both sides of the war.
>so this is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause
>>63295701
Lincoln was right though, anyone who would threaten the the union deserves to die.
