>it's a Buffy crosses over into another series to hunt down a scared crying girl who's being protected by her vampire ex-boyfriend because the scared girl posssessed her body and had sex with her other boyfriend who the vampire ex-boyfriend once beat up last time they crossed over and who will eventually break up with Buffy for sleeping with vampires episode
you make it sounds stupid.
its a buffy fucks a vampire episode
>>63282799
Oh, man, those were one of the best episodes in both series...
And Angel was such a chauvinist jerk
>it's a buffy punches Angel and when he punches her back she acts like he did something horrible episode.
>>63283262
For some reason SMG looked hotter on Angel than on Buffy. More mature, too, which is at odds with my taste, but something about the way they dressed her and emphasized her face.
>>63282799
>it's a pleb thread
>it's a joss whedon comes up with gimmicky ass ideas, executes them terribly, inserts horrible "quipy" dialogue where it doesn't belong and is loved by all of reddit episode
>>63283334
You described Firefly.
>>63283334
I liked the "quippy dialogue" of Buffy and Angel. Angel even managed to tone it down quite a bit. I personally didn't get tired of Whedon until Firefly where I'm pretty sure every damn line was a quip.
>>63283320
>it's a pleb post
>>63283334
Literally can't handle the bantz: the post
>>63283334
I forgive it in Buffy's case because it's a spinoff of a teen comedy/horror movie about a bimbo high school cheerleader turned vampire slayer. Sure she wasn't that level of dumb in the series but let's not forget the roots of the whole thing.
The singing episode was dumb though.
>>63284107
And yet, was awesome.
Simplicity and dumbness, sometimes, are much worthier than edgy overcomplex shit.
>Its a Buffy murders a bunch of vampire whores for sleeping with her boyfriend episode
>it's a Dawn gets herself into trouble again episode
>>63284107
i wouldn't have minded a bumbling bimbo cheerleader saving the day though even if the quipping was fun
>>63283624
>it's a faggotry post
>>63284239
>it's a triggered post
>>63284177
>it's a Buffy's boyfriend tells her she drove him to whores and Xander backs him up on it episode
>its a lesbo rage episode
>its a xander loses an eye for no reasons episode which made the character look dumb for the rest of the show and over 10 years of comic books.
>its a Buffy and Dawn have sexual tension episode
> it's a show for manlet guy friends and young women that fuck jocks
Stay virgin buddy
>>63283262
>In case you forgot, you're a bit stronger than I am
Buffy is a bit of a bitch. She even tried to hit him again before he fought back.
>>63284250
>it's treason, then
>>63284410
Who looked dumber: Xander for wearing the patch for ten years, or you for reading it?
>>63284208
GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT
>>63284835
jesus christ, that art is horrible.
Who is the hottest girl on the show?
i'm okay with this meme
for now
>>63285674
Cordellia, you shit stain.
>it's an Angelus toys with and then murders Giles' waifu episode
>>63285868
Supposedly SMG and Joss were both scared of Boreanaz when he did Angelus, which is hard to believe
>>63285674
C O R D Y
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Y
>>63285674
Season 3 Faith
Anyone who says differently is a raging querr
>>63286290
Angel Faith
Faith in Buffy's body
>>63286290
She's 5 by 5.
>>63285674
Faith is best girl
>>63286342
>Faith in Buffy's body
>>63282799
I think that is the very reason I stopped watching Grimm. I'm not 100% on that because it was getting a bit batshit crazy writer vibe when I stopped watching it.
>>63283334
Angel and Buffy were low budget CW shows anon.
Just the fact they didn't suck complete dick and they managed to actually make some watchable episodes is pretty amazing desu
everything after that was complete trash though
>>63282799
Best episode is the one were Xander becomes a hero and fucks Faith.
>>63287081
Why is it always the CW?
>>63287081
>low budget CW shows
>CW
You have to be 18 to post on 4chan
>it's a giles definitely has serious brain damage by now episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Uge0nZDI6g
It's all a dream anyways so none of this really matters.
>>63285969
Angelus was a scary motherfucker, not that hard to believe.
>>63289023
you mean a psychotic delusion, brah.
>>63283133
Stop.
>>63284810
>>63285674
Faith.
>Willow gets magic wishing powers
>almost kills Xander
>makes Giles blind
>Buffy and Spike get engaged
>no spontaneous boob growth
>no Buffy and Spike shagging on Giles's bed hijinks
lost potential
>>63288360
>>63288953
Not him but Buffy was WB then UPN after season 5 and Angel was UPN the whole run.
In 2005 UPN and WB merged to form the CW.
>>63289273
>Angel was UPN the whole run
you almost had it...
>>63289263
I like how when Willow fucks everything up no one cares, but when she's not fucking up it's SLOW DOWN GIRL YOU GOT MAGIC ADDICTION
Then after Tara's dead she's guest starring on Angel to zap everything away
>>63289521
Something Blue and Tabula Rasa can be seen as mirror episodes. both times willow's magic fucks everyone over, but in Tabula Rasa they take it more seriously.
>>63285674
>nobody answered with prime Julie Benz
Seriously what the fuck?
>>63289273
I understand the history of the network
Nobody calls WB and UPN shows CW shows except children
>>63289611
She's always at her prime.
>>63289470
Excuse me for having spotty memory about network politics from 15 years ago. That's right, Buffy couldn't crossover for years after her S1 appearances because for some fucktarded reason UPN and WB hated each other and by the end SMG didn't even sign Buffy autographs anymore or voice her character in cartoons and video games that the rest of the cast participated in.
> vampire willow will never slowly break all your fingers and toes
;_;
>>63289639
This is 100% fact.
>>63289611
Nobody in their right mind wants to be seen agreeing with a tripfag
>>63289611
Given this board I'm more surprised nobody mentioned Michelle Trachtenberg.
>>63289640
SMG didn't do anything that she didn't have to regarding the show, and it had nothing to do with networks rivalry
>>63285674
FRED
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>>63285674
>>63289778
Fred was never on Buffy. they didn't even bother putting in her voice when she called Willow.
>>63289611
Though I'm loathe to support I tripfag, I've got to go with this. Those Angel episodes where she's human...
>>63289640
No, Buffy didnt' crossover because of conflicts in shooting. Gellar's work hours were extreme. It was only 6 and 7 of Buffy and 3 and 4 of AtS they were on different networks. Angel, Spike, Willow and Faith all crossed back and forth in that time.
>SMG didn't sign buffy autographs anymore
Not even remotely true.
>voice her character in cartoons and video games that the rest of the cast participated in
They refused to show her the scripts beforehand.
Mutant Enemy was a horribly run production company that probably put Sony to shame.
>>63284496
One of the good things was that Buffy was often portrayed as stuck up hypocritical bitch sometimes, and people called her out on it. If it was made today she would be just as bitchy, but everyone on the show would praise her for being strong and independent.
>>63291036
That was only on Angel because Joss can't write consistent characters for shit. Everyone who crossed over was a completely different character than they were on their respective shows. The next time they talk, when Angel shows up on Buffy a couple eps later, he's apologizing and whatnot and she's back to being written normally.
Even Minear and Espenson commented on the shitty writing in Sanctuary.
>>63291036
Buffy was almost never wrong though, and her friends were cunts
>>63291321
>Even Minear and Espenson commented on the shitty writing in Sanctuary.
You're exaggerating. Minear specifically got Joss to write Buffy's scenes because he was anxious about it.
Plus, they're both still mad at each other when Angel guest stars in S4, and then both admit they were wrong. Maybe you just forgot?
>>63291944
No, I'm not. He and Espenson did a panel the following con and both commented that whatever Joss was going for, he failed. That's why TM thought it funny. He begged Joss to write her and that's what he wrote.
>both still mad at each other
No, Buffy was mad at him for beating up Riley. Angel wasn't mad at all. He come up from LA to apologize.
Maybe *you* forgot. It's OK if you did. I'd want to forget how shit it was, too.
>>63292075
>No, Buffy was mad at him for beating up Riley.
She makes comment about being mad at Angel before that, man, referencing Sanctuary. Angel still being a bit upset despite coming to apologize is why he's so hard on Riley in their fight.
>He and Espenson did a panel the following con
Didn't know about that, though.
>>63285674
Cordelia
>>63283334
there was literally nothing wrong with it in Angel and Buffy.
The problem came with the fact that he's incapable of writing anything else.
>>63285674
Dawn
>That sexy dancing
>>63292285
>Cordelia
she looks like that angry mom you always see mouthing off at customer service
>>63291869
I'll never not be mad at Willow and Tara for the shit they pulled on her.
>>63292258
How could she do that when she didn't even see the guy before the fight? She was pissed at what happened and Riley goading her about it.
Angel was hard on Riley because he's an asshole, going so far as to lead him to think he was evil and they'd slept together. How does that go into what happened in LA?
It's just shitty writing, Anon. Angel characters on Buffy were poorly written, Buffy characters on Angel were poorly written. Because Joss is a poor writer who puts story over characterization.
>>63292537
>it's a xander invokes a demon and gets people killed and it's never mentioned again by anyone episode
>>63283334
Joss Whedon shouldn't have gotten further than developing easily cancelled series for Fox but he gave pretty good head over at Marvel Studios
>It's a David Boreanaz is such a crap actor that he calls Buffy 'Sarah' during a scene and they keep it in episode
>>63292658
Do they ever mentioned Giles killing Ben? Or the gang killing a bunch of Knights of Byzantium, all humans?
>>63292688
when?
>>63292739
'I will Remember You', when Buffy cries.
>>63292461
thats what im into tbqh
>>63292754
I think that's because she was actually crying.
>>63292739
>>63292754
>>63292809
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_iehSxGnGI
It's supposed to be at 2:35, but I think it's kind of a stretch.
>Standing by the window looking at Buffy and Xander when Xander just showed up
>Buffy and Xander talk for like 3 minutes
>Warren shoots 3 or 4 rounds before he aims up at the window, enough for her to hear it and take cover or at least be aware something's up and move
>She still fucking stands by the window like she did 3 minutes ago as if she was frozen in time.
Is this the dumbest 'important' scene in the show?
>>63292688
>>63292754
>>63292809
There's an AMA on Reddit with SMG where she talks about it. She was actually upset during the scene because she thought Buffy and Angel were soulmates.
>>63293124
why is she so cute bros
>>63293192
she had to develop a personality after her looks faded.
>>63292915
It's just fans of that particular ship wishful thinking. They also had a big thing about Sarah and David french kissing in S7, even going so far as to post super-zoomed screencaps of one frame as proof.
>>63285674
Am I a pedo for thinking Dawn is hottest?
>>63285674
VAMPIRE WILLOW
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>>63293369
You should fuck off back to reddit with that attitude
>>63293369
Where do you think we are?
>it's a every actor/actress can't act on their respective series episode
>>63293369
>>63293726
>those massive areola
well that explains why she never got naked.
>>63285674
>All these replies and not one mention of Anya
smdhtbqhwyf
>>63285674
Season 2-3 Willow.
>>63293985
Anya a shit. even tho Caulfield is on record saying she likes it in the pooper.
>>63293845
She might have a deformity considering one side looks puffy and the other you can't see at all. Either that it's just a bunched up bit of fabric.
>>63293845
I bet she has inverted nipples
>>63294015
>constant babyfaces, and aren't i cute bullshit
>hot
You're a big Felicia Day fan, aren't ou?
>>63293845
puffy or big areola are the best, i'd love to see them
>>63294031
take that fucking back Anya a best
>>63292285
>dem nudes
>dem nips
>>63294280
What's worse, huge areolas (Cordy) or no areolas (Harmony)?
I liked Mercedes spread better in terms o the pictures being nicer. But those nips...
>>63294766
Carpenter, hands down.
>>63294067
good god
>>63292918
Such an anti-gun skew in this show
>buffy says guns are never useful
>she uses a fucking rocket launcher in season 2
>crossbows are fine, but guns are evil bad!
>>63295119
it's because a simple handgun would make the slayer useless pretty much
>newly made vamp given a gun or a machine gun
>hiding behind a corner or dumpster
>mows down the slayer
doesn't take 200 years to do that shit
>>63295237
>mfw Darla went full 47 in season 1.
it looked so stupid, no wonder they never had vampires use guns again.
>ww-w-why d-don't you guys l-like me?
>Giles will never be your dad
>you'll never make him proud
>>63295781
he will just name me Randy
>>63295641
>>63295781
>constantly disregard opinion of child
>systematically inject them with muscle relaxants and send them out to fight
>abandon children
>don't even come back for wedding
>giles will never be your dad
I'm thinking you're better off.
>>63283123
BIG VAMPIRE COCK
>it's a buffus the bacchae slayer episode
>>63296292
i must've been around 10-12 at the time they showed it on tv and holy fuck that why boner the entire episode
>>63293428
>>63294015
The true patrician choice
>>63287203
7 minutes
>>63296584
which is why that whole ep is bullshit. Party girl Faith wants to get laid and she goes for the lisping comic book virgin.
Sure thing, Joss.
What the fuck was the deal with these two
The whole time it looked like the Mayor was just using and manipulating Faith until at the end it turned out he wasn't and he actually loved her and wanted to share all of his evil schemes with her
And years later she still has fond memories of him even after he turned into a giant snake, ate half the graduating class and got exploded by Buffy.
>>63296253
>Anthony Head is the one that says 'previously on buffy the vampire slayer'
>because of this, technically, Giles was in every episode of seasons 6 and 7
>>63282799
wh.....what?
>>63296419
that's just lewd
>>63296817
he's a complex fella. the whole ascension thing never made much sense to me.
>it's a buffy and riley get possessed and fuck for hours episode
anyone else found it stupid that Anya fell in love with Xander?
I mean, he was the REASON she was called to sunnydale and lost her powers to begin with. She knows he can be unfaithful. she should be hating him. and Giles.
>>63297208
>red riding hood SMG
>>63297257
Every arc surround Xander and the girls is stupid.
The guy's a classic beta whose every other sentence is how he wants to fuck his friends...and they stick with him. The guy's a low-test nerd, but the most popular girl in school wants him. A virgin but Faith decides to fuck him. Unfaithful but Anya, a man-hating vengeance demon, falls for him. That's not getting into Willow pining for him for years.
>>63284222
I bet that tight little ass hole smelled like Fiji Water™ ;^}
>>63297926
>>63297769
Wheadon is such a ral life beta that he can't make xander an alpha male, just makes certain girls crave his cock.
>>63297769
Well, Cordy was slumming at first and then became influenced by the Scoobies in how she saw the people she was used to being around. Faith was just bored and spoke outright how slaying made her horny. For Anya, Xander was basically the first guy she saw or had any contact with. She was too inexperienced to consider weighing her options and Xander was already aware of her being a demon. And then Willow was an outcast and spent all of her time with Xander. Guys and girls can't be friends, yada yada yada.
It's not like Xander was hideous or even unattractive. He was just a dweeb. It's completely plausible that over however many years that many women would be into him and even more plausible that none of them would work out.
>>63296661
Xander was /fit/ as fuck in the first few seasons m8.
>its a Giles is better than Wesley in every conceivable way episode
>>63298709
>It's a dream episode
>>63290131
Jesus Christ I forgot how beautiful she is, fuck me.
>>63293218
Rude.
>>63298989
>>63290131
If Whedon is such a hack, then why is Buffy so good?
>>63299089
A broken clock is right twice a day mate
and in this case, its buffy and angel
>>63285674
>tfw when Amy will never bring you home after school to do magic.. or just hang out.She's 45 now.They're all old.We're all old.
>>63295237
They should've made the slayer bulletproof.
>>63293703
>Laurel on Flash
>>63299128
and Firefly.
and Dr. Horrible.
Whedon has a watch on each arm.
>>63299375
>firefly
>felicia day maymays
;-)
>constantly told Buffy likes cheese
>never seen her eat cheese
>>63299375
firefly was pretty weak.
his production of much ado about nothing was good, though.
>>63298709
Wes had some of the best character development of any tv series let alone buffy/angel.
angel > buffy
>>63300307
meme opinion
>>63300418
meme post
>>63285868
she left me roses by the stairs,
Surprises, let me know she cares
>>63290786
>They refused to show her the scripts beforehand.
Listen to yourself. She was being offered VA work for fucking cartoons and video games, it wasn't going to stain her career retroactively.
Sometimes it's like Susan Lucci really was her mother because she learned prima donna shit no kid her age should have.
>>63290786
>They refused to show her the scripts beforehand.
also this is standard for VA artists right this minute, part of the strike terms have to do with the fact NO ONE gets to see the scripts beforehand.
>>63301029
>>63301132
Aside from that, whatever was going on with the VA work, why was it satisfactory for Hannigan and Head and Brendon and Boreanaz and Marsters and Carpenter and Dushku and Landau but Gellar still needed a soundalike?
>>63300434
meme response
>>63283295
Everything looked better on the Angel show
>>63292688
Remember how shit his acting was one he became Angelus again in season 4 of Angel and how his Irish accent was so shit they just said fuck it and not have him try when all the characters became their younger selves for an episode
>>63295641
>implying
>>63301512
Holy shit, is that the dummy from season 1
I hope they do something new with the Buffy franchise in the future.
Hard reboot with different supporting cast and setting. Only keep Buffy.
>tfw you drive past here every day
They still have those weird arches.
>>63303468
>>63299089
Buffy and Angel always had at least two people on his level of creative control at all times, and many more people who could influence his decisions.
He's essentially George Lucas 2.0
>>63282799
>it's a faith gets the bbc episode
>it's a buffy and dawn get body swapped and buffy catches dawn fingering her fanny episode
>>63304200
Lmao wat
I don't remember this
>>63284835
i didnt read it tho, i just know that they still release buffy comics, and im pretty sure he hasnt magically grown back his eye.
>>63282799
D R O P P E D
>>63305356
Well, yeah. Her last name is Gellar. Have you learned nothing from Friends?
>>63305561
How come most Jews have crypto surnames?
>>63290786
>They refused to show her the scripts beforehand.
are you her Mum or something?
>>63282799
all these fucking years if i knew then she was a jew i woulda boycotted the show earlier
>>63305874
BUFFY'S FRIEND SHOULD BE_ D R O P P E D _TOO
>>63305662
Jews were always hated so when they came to US they changed their surnames so people will not recognize they are jewish.
>>63305921
W-what about Cordy?
>>63300307
I agree.
>>63300434
>>63301531
>>63300418
Meme observations.
>>63305707
No. She was asked about it and that was the reason given.
>>63305874
Bullshit, you just discovered le ebin jews are bad from /pol/ shit last week you fucking underage idiot.
>>63282854
>you make it sound stupid
this immediately happens>>63283262
>this is somehow not stupid
>>63285674Lilah
Literally the ONLY good episode of Buffy is the Halloween episode where everything in the house becomes real.
That was some good shit for a 10 year old.
I started watching dollhouse recently
it actually gets really good once you get by the first few episodes that are procedural shit
really wish eliza was buffy instead of smg
>>63308612
I disagree. just like buffy season 1, those first episodes were necessary to build up the characters. if you watch dollhouse's unaired pilot you'll see just how much a slow burn was needed on what the dolls were and how the organization operates under 'normal' conditions.
>>63308424
The sex toys in a box under the bed didn't become real
>>63308791
>Dragon dildo
>becomes an actual dragon
i could see it
what's the best SMG movie?
>>63308612
m8 you should watch it in the order of buffy, angel, dollhouse, cabin in the woods, firefly, serenity.
They're all one long story line hence the short seasons for firefly dollhouse.
>>63303318
I wouldn't mind a retelling of the same story, but with minor changes (for example, have Dawn there from the get go, that way even classic viewers will get a version of the events like the characters now remember it after the monks changed their memories.)
>It's an "HD" episode.
>>63285674
>only one mention of anyanka
>no glory
plebs all of you
>>63303568
Damn
>>63283262
In the defense of the scene, she was more shocked that he'd hit her to protect Faith, not that he'd hit her. There were plenty of fist fights between Muffy and Oongel where she didn't act like a wounded, battered wife.
>>63283883
I laughed.
>>63311075
I don't think he ever punched her as normal Angel except for that scene.
>>63290786
SMG, I love you!
Thank you for Buffy!
Do you kept in touch with Joss?
And wtf was that with Nicholas, what was he thinking? Is he on drugs or something?
Kudos!
Oh, and it's a shame you don't read the comics, they can be fun... sometimes.
Watch whedonverse in one long story line in order from:
>Buffy
>Angel
>Dollhouse
>Cabin in the woods
>Firefly
>Serenity
Firefly was about the last slayer, river.
'No power in the verse can stop me'
The plots were shit, the dialogue was shit and even the fucking fight scenes were shit: the TV series
>>63292728
Evil humans.
>>63311349
they weren't evil. they wanted to kill Dawn to save the world. and according to what their General said, after Dawn had died, they would have forgotten she ever existed, so there wasn't even any emotional pain involved.
>>63293845
Doesn't she get them out in that fucking awful road trip movie with the name I can't remember?
>>63293428
Correct!
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!
>>63311339
rip in piece an hero
>>63299195
dude..
>>63299195
;-;
>>63311291
Her arms are grossing me out. We're supposed to believe she was able to fight superhuman strengthed vampires on the reg?
>>63311203
They fought in season one and season three. Although he was all hell fucked in season three and didn't know what he was doing.
>>63311614
Oh and again in season three when he tries to an hero
I dropped Buffy when they introduced the other slayers with the horrendously fake English accents
They we so bad I dropped a show on the 7th and final season
>>63311655
it's all good. you can just skip right to the last episode and you haven't missed much.
>>63311374
She was just a kid, Anakin!
>>63311593
She had superpowers, not muscles. Even if she lifted, she would need to lift 10 times what a human could lift regularly to become ripped - and she didn't have the time to do that.
Are you stupid?
I picked up the comics again recently after dropping it after the 1st issue years ago. And surprise, surprise, I'm enjoying it.
>>63311647
Amends is my least favorite episode of season 3. It's not even such a bad of episode, but much like season 7, the first evil just strikes me as nonthreatening, and in that episode, they tried to connect the whole thing to Christmas, which always gives a cheesy 'love and world peace' vibe to an episode.
>>63282799
Am I the only one who think Sarah Michelle Gellar is pretty ugly with a serious case of horseface? I never understood why all the guys in the series fell for her, she looks disgusting and she was extremely annoying. I think that's the number one reason as to why I prefered Angel alot more.
>>63311785
I have read it till some months ago... I'll get to read what I missed sometime soon, I guess...
>>63311803
Yeah it wasn't great, and the first evil sucked balls. I was always pissed off that they used the first evil as the main villian in the last season.
>>63311813
Yes. Yes you are.
>>63311803
The first half of season 7, imo, was on its way to being GOAT. It went downhill after 'Sleeper' though. Up til then it was building up into a mindfuck.
Even after there are things I like about it; namely, Spike, Andrew, and Caleb.
>>63311890
and it was the second time they reused him, too. He\It was also the big bad in 'Chaos Bleeds'.
>>63311953
>Andrew
literally a meme character.
>>63311813
>Am I the only one who think Sarah Michelle Gellar is pretty ugly
Pretty much m8. She's a qt.
>>63311958
That's just reminded me that I lost that game.
Bad times.
>>63312041
>that nose
>cute
she's disgusting. Willow and more importantly vampire Willow was much better.
>>63312108
you can alwaysemulateit
>>63311984
>not having fun laughing at effeminate weebs
>>63312109
Even Vamp Willow's no Anya
>>63312041
S1 Buffy was prime Buffy. She got too skinny for S2.
>>63311374
>>63311740
Buffy had a lot of plot points where the sense of morality just fell flat on its face, which seems to be a running problem with Joss. Dawn in particular is a bizarre case because everyone's motivation for saving her is based on memories we never got to see made.
>>63312109
I'd let vampire willow drain me of all my blood if ya know what im sayin.
>>63312220
It's not like it was unusual for Joss to write this kind of trope: Angel was hellbent on sacrificing the world to save Fred or something like this.
It's almost like he likes his heroes somewhat less-altruistic than regular heroes for them to feel more realistic or well-rounded as characters.
>buffy & angel have been off the air for 20 years
feels badm8
reboot when?
>>63312593
> been off the air for 20 years
no.
>>63312692
it's a ribbit meme.
>>63282799
D R O P P E D
>>63283262
based boreanaz
>tfw you watch Angel and realise Boreanaz is awesome
>tfw buffy and angel end so you watch Bones because of Boreanaz
he's still great
>>63313026
he probably is. I watched a snippet a long time ago just to see Boreanaz.
But I just can't watch procedural csi shows.
>>63313132
I feel you dawg, I don't normally enjoy them either, but i love me some Boreanaz
>>63311655
7th season is only good for Spike being based
I watch buffy and angel every year. I watched it when it was originally aired also of course.
>>63311339
Objectively all wrong.
>>63314725
>Based
No.
Based Spike was S2 Spike and Angel's end-of-the-season S5 Spike...
